| GalzuFromQ | Anyone know how to roll back the installed version of PHP? | 03:51 |
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| lordievader | Good morning | 06:48 |
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| icey | jamespage: the two dependencies on sqlalchemy-utils are test / build depends || optional things | 15:43 |
| icey | specifically, psycopg2 is a test requirement, and infinity is an optional thing if a user wants that feature | 15:44 |
| jamespage | OK but are they represented in the Recommends or Depends of the binary packages produced as well? | 15:45 |
| jamespage | Suggests avoids MIR, Recommends enforces it | 15:45 |
| icey | jamespage: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NWQrKyWdDQ/ | 15:52 |
| icey | so the psycopq2 and infinity are coming in implicitly, we should make them explicitly a Suggests | 15:52 |
| icey | jamespage: annoyingly, the psycopg2 is coming in via a 'tests' section of extra_requires in the package's setup.py | 15:53 |
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| rangergord | Hiya. For an embedded system, if I have x64 hardware (Intel Atom), what's the point of running Ubuntu Core instead of Ubuntu Server? | 19:27 |
| rangergord | there's no #ubuntu-core to ask this, thought I'd ask here since server is the closest analog | 19:27 |
| sarnold | rangergord: ubuntu core is more intended for appliances: think set top box, networking gear, printer, fridge, toaster, etc. | 19:36 |
| kinghat | if i wanted zfs or btrfs on root install, would it be better to just install desktop and remove the DE after? | 19:53 |
| sdeziel | kinghat: you can do btrfs as rootfs with the server installer | 19:54 |
| kinghat | 20.04? | 19:54 |
| sdeziel | yes, it's what I run on all my hosts | 19:55 |
| kinghat | is there zfs in 20.10? | 19:55 |
| rangergord | sarnold, so if I have a tiny embedded board, but it's an Atom with 2GB of RAM, I'm better off with Server, right? | 19:57 |
| sarnold | rangergord: it really depends more upon what you want to do with the system and how you intend to manage it | 19:59 |
| rangergord | I want it run my app 24/7, crash as little as possible. Not managed at all. However I do collect coredumps on crash and occasionally the user sends them to me. | 20:01 |
| rangergord | run 24/7 for 247 years | 20:03 |
| rangergord | or hopefully, 2.47 years | 20:03 |
| sarnold | heh, that's an interesting position to be in .. completely unmanaged is unusual :) normally folks want to get updates, push updates, etc sometime.. | 20:04 |
| rangergord | nope, it's offline | 20:05 |
| rangergord | unless the user hooks up a laptop to it directly | 20:05 |
| rangergord | then it's still offline, but they can SSH to it | 20:05 |
| sarnold | I could see either one for this; server will be a lot more familiar, core might be easier to turn into an application host that just does the one thing. | 20:05 |
| rangergord | yeah what's making me tilt towards Server, is that Core seems like some random product that just happens to have the same name. Like Angular 1 and Angular 2. | 20:06 |
| rangergord | so all my familiarity with Ubuntu might be lost if I go with server | 20:06 |
| rangergord | *go with Core | 20:06 |
| rangergord | I dont know anyone who uses Core. They dont even have an IRC channel. | 20:07 |
| sarnold | heh, you *do* know people that use core, they just don't advertise it as part of their product :) | 20:09 |
| rangergord | I meant, people on IRC | 20:09 |
| rangergord | developers | 20:09 |
| rangergord | sysadmins, etc | 20:09 |
| rangergord | different crowds maybe :) | 20:09 |
| sarnold | yes :) | 20:10 |
| rangergord | have you met one? | 20:10 |
| rangergord | I guess the question is answered. I'll play it safe with Server. :) | 20:10 |
| sarnold | heh, excellent question; I probably haven't, I've only done a handful of customer engagements.. | 20:11 |
| rangergord | allright, no worries.thanks | 20:12 |
| kinghat | do you guys know about the change that happened in the /dev/disk/by-id? like the format or something changed in 20.04 from 18.04. | 20:45 |
| TJ- | kinghat: that'd be a udev rule if so | 20:47 |
| sarnold | kinghat: try starting with grep disk/by-id /lib/udev/rules.d/* | 20:47 |
| kinghat | it can be changed back to the 18.04 default? | 20:48 |
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| kinghat | what is grep /dev/disk/by-id /lib/udev/rules.d/* doing? | 21:44 |
| sarnold | kinghat: it's showing you which udev files may be involved in whatever it is you're trying to research | 21:44 |
| kinghat | hmm | 21:45 |
| kinghat | do you guys see zfs getting integration like btrfs has on server? | 21:45 |
| sarnold | I think it's likely, yes, but I don't know a timeframe | 21:46 |
| kinghat | 👌 | 22:02 |
| kinghat | have you setup zfs at root for server before? | 22:02 |
| sarnold | well... my laptop, with zfs root, was installed before the installer got zfs support | 22:04 |
| sarnold | I followed an earlier version https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2020.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html | 22:04 |
| sarnold | it's significantly more work | 22:04 |
| kinghat | would you just use the desktop installer and remove the DE for a server experience? | 22:07 |
| sarnold | you'd also need to clean up networkmanager; I'm not sure what else you'd want to fiddle with | 22:08 |
| kinghat | found this: https://github.com/saveriomiroddi/zfs-installer | 22:12 |
| kinghat | you have to use the desktop installer for that guide above even if you want server? | 22:54 |
| sarnold | kinghat: you get a certain amount through with the live desktop installer, I think for the zfs things, and then you will use debootstrap to do the actual install to disk | 22:59 |
| kinghat | that guide seems pretty intense 😬 | 22:59 |
| sarnold | it's been developed over many years, a lot of things have been covered :) | 23:01 |
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