[03:51] Anyone know how to roll back the installed version of PHP? [06:48] Good morning === jaskal_ is now known as jaskal === denningsrogue4 is now known as denningsrogue === denningsrogue4 is now known as denningsrogue [15:43] jamespage: the two dependencies on sqlalchemy-utils are test / build depends || optional things [15:44] specifically, psycopg2 is a test requirement, and infinity is an optional thing if a user wants that feature [15:45] OK but are they represented in the Recommends or Depends of the binary packages produced as well? [15:45] Suggests avoids MIR, Recommends enforces it [15:52] jamespage: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NWQrKyWdDQ/ [15:52] so the psycopq2 and infinity are coming in implicitly, we should make them explicitly a Suggests [15:53] jamespage: annoyingly, the psycopg2 is coming in via a 'tests' section of extra_requires in the package's setup.py === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunch [19:27] Hiya. For an embedded system, if I have x64 hardware (Intel Atom), what's the point of running Ubuntu Core instead of Ubuntu Server? [19:27] there's no #ubuntu-core to ask this, thought I'd ask here since server is the closest analog [19:36] rangergord: ubuntu core is more intended for appliances: think set top box, networking gear, printer, fridge, toaster, etc. [19:53] if i wanted zfs or btrfs on root install, would it be better to just install desktop and remove the DE after? [19:54] kinghat: you can do btrfs as rootfs with the server installer [19:54] 20.04? [19:55] yes, it's what I run on all my hosts [19:55] is there zfs in 20.10? [19:57] sarnold, so if I have a tiny embedded board, but it's an Atom with 2GB of RAM, I'm better off with Server, right? [19:59] rangergord: it really depends more upon what you want to do with the system and how you intend to manage it [20:01] I want it run my app 24/7, crash as little as possible. Not managed at all. However I do collect coredumps on crash and occasionally the user sends them to me. [20:03] run 24/7 for 247 years [20:03] or hopefully, 2.47 years [20:04] heh, that's an interesting position to be in .. completely unmanaged is unusual :) normally folks want to get updates, push updates, etc sometime.. [20:05] nope, it's offline [20:05] unless the user hooks up a laptop to it directly [20:05] then it's still offline, but they can SSH to it [20:05] I could see either one for this; server will be a lot more familiar, core might be easier to turn into an application host that just does the one thing. [20:06] yeah what's making me tilt towards Server, is that Core seems like some random product that just happens to have the same name. Like Angular 1 and Angular 2. [20:06] so all my familiarity with Ubuntu might be lost if I go with server [20:06] *go with Core [20:07] I dont know anyone who uses Core. They dont even have an IRC channel. [20:09] heh, you *do* know people that use core, they just don't advertise it as part of their product :) [20:09] I meant, people on IRC [20:09] developers [20:09] sysadmins, etc [20:09] different crowds maybe :) [20:10] yes :) [20:10] have you met one? [20:10] I guess the question is answered. I'll play it safe with Server. :) [20:11] heh, excellent question; I probably haven't, I've only done a handful of customer engagements.. [20:12] allright, no worries.thanks [20:45] do you guys know about the change that happened in the /dev/disk/by-id? like the format or something changed in 20.04 from 18.04. [20:47] kinghat: that'd be a udev rule if so [20:47] kinghat: try starting with grep disk/by-id /lib/udev/rules.d/* [20:48] it can be changed back to the 18.04 default? === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson [21:44] what is grep /dev/disk/by-id /lib/udev/rules.d/* doing? [21:44] kinghat: it's showing you which udev files may be involved in whatever it is you're trying to research [21:45] hmm [21:45] do you guys see zfs getting integration like btrfs has on server? [21:46] I think it's likely, yes, but I don't know a timeframe [22:02] 👌 [22:02] have you setup zfs at root for server before? [22:04] well... my laptop, with zfs root, was installed before the installer got zfs support [22:04] I followed an earlier version https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2020.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html [22:04] it's significantly more work [22:07] would you just use the desktop installer and remove the DE for a server experience? [22:08] you'd also need to clean up networkmanager; I'm not sure what else you'd want to fiddle with [22:12] found this: https://github.com/saveriomiroddi/zfs-installer [22:54] you have to use the desktop installer for that guide above even if you want server? [22:59] kinghat: you get a certain amount through with the live desktop installer, I think for the zfs things, and then you will use debootstrap to do the actual install to disk [22:59] that guide seems pretty intense 😬 [23:01] it's been developed over many years, a lot of things have been covered :)