/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/07/#lubuntu-devel.txt

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RyuKurisu[m]https://matrix.to/#/!PUdVJkBtbqPLTtfqjl:linuxdelta.com/$7KqoX58DdiSB-kIlmqn1VCngm9jsaLjWsNpNmYfkTRk?via=matrix.org&via=t2bot.io&via=linuxdelta.com05:45
RyuKurisu[m]If only Lubuntu had a minimal install05:45
RyuKurisu[m]^^^05:45
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RyuKurisu[m]Would it be possible to add a 'minimal install' option?  I would also be interested in such an option, and from what I've heard in a podcast (a long time ago from Wimpress ) it wouldn't be a lot of work to create. 07:18
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wxl@RyuKurisu[m]: we have a task on the subject https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58 but we need to revist it07:43
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RyuKurisu[m]Is there any reasoning why we've switched from ubiquity to Calamares anyway? 🤔08:55
lynorianQt08:57
lynorianand no particular Qt frontend of ubiquity'08:57
guivercRyuKurisu[m], FYI:  Kubuntu hirsute ISO hasn't booted for much of this cycle  (Ubuntu Studio use calamares too)08:58
lubot[telegram] <kc2bez> I'll ask the same question here I did over in the other Telegram channel. What exactly should the minimal install have on it?09:43
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wxl@kc2bez we used to have a lubuntu-core that would install the desktop environment and i guess what we could call all the essentials. i would imagine that system tools and preferences bits would all be included. in a sense it may be best to consider it equivalent to the lxqt metapackage plus sddm, openbox, lubuntu-specific stuff, and the like. see https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/lubuntu-core19:31
wxlRyuKurisu[m]: while qt was a primary motivation with calamares, i can say that our connection with kubuntu (both simon and i have developed for it and i use it at work) and by extension kde kind of opened us up to the possibility of calamares, since kde neon was playing with it. better yet, kde folks were acctually contributing to it and that is ultimately a larger community than the one contributing 19:37
wxlto ubiquity. no one uses ubiquity but us. a bunch of distros use calamares. calamares is extremely well organized and documented and its code is incredibly easy to browse and understand. all of that is entirely NOT true of ubiquity (or really almost anything canonical has produced, i hate to say it). it's super easy to configure whereas with ubiquity most everything is a mystery. finally, developers 19:37
wxlare extremely responsive. i've seen fixes to bugs come out IN RELEASES in less than 24 hours. with ubiquity, bugs might sit there and rot for years with no one really bothering. tl;dr ubiquity sucks.19:37
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wxlfirst russian post on discourse! woo-hoo!20:07
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lubot[telegram] <kc2bez> Nice!20:16
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kc2bezThe hours in the day flow past with such haste sometimes.21:03
kc2bez!standup21:03
ubot93@tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc @N0um3n0 @leokolb @KGIII — It's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Then, in order of announcement, post your items, and be sure to mention when you're done.21:03
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> /o21:04
guiverco/21:04
wxlhi i'll take last :)21:04
kc2bezyou can't do that every time :P21:04
KGIIIHere.21:04
wxlwhy not? :)21:04
kc2bezI guess you can XD21:05
kc2bez@Leokolb greetings. What is new?21:06
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Quiet week-no big news Tested calamares swap to file - all modes - only erase disk has option "no swap"21:07
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> selecting install alongside,replace or manual partitioning - creates 512 M swap21:07
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> encryption UEFI and BIOS also good21:07
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> done21:07
kc2bezThanks.21:07
wxlgreat work leo! thx!21:07
guivercthanks @Leokolb21:08
kc2bezguiverc: over to you21:08
guivercsome QA-testing (not a lot), some other testing; T181 & sambashare on discourse, some looking up wiki (minimal); T180, usual support, is what I recall21:08
guivercI can concur what I saw with swap matches with @Leokolb's findings21:08
guivercdone21:09
kc2bezThanks for that guiverc.21:09
wxlthx chris!21:09
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> tks Chris21:09
kc2bezKGIII: Hello there. What is new with you?21:09
KGIIIReal life has been keeping me surprisingly busy. I'm still able to do daily tests and at least read through some support stuff. I expect to be significantly less busy by the start of next week. I seem to have taken on the role of doing quite a bit of the live testing. That's good with me. Thanks to everyone and done.21:09
wxlthat role is very much appreciated, especially in light of real life21:10
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> nice21:10
kc2bezThanks for the help KGIII21:10
guivercThank you KGIII 21:10
KGIIIYW21:10
kc2bezI don't have a paste prepared, sorry.21:11
wxlnow you know why going last is always a good idea X'''D21:11
kc2bezI uploaded cala settings which fixed the GID/UID issue and swap21:11
kc2bezXD21:12
kc2bezI also uploaded default settings to fix the lockscreen version number21:12
kc2bezI did some task management in phab.21:13
kc2bezI need to amend the release notes for focal re: the timezone issue21:13
wxlright21:13
wxlthanks for doing that21:14
kc2bezI let y'all know when it posts21:14
kc2bezI don't think I have anything else21:14
wxljust leave a comment on bug 1909622 and that will suffice21:14
ubot93Bug 1909622 in calamares (Ubuntu) "lubuntu hirsute install; calamares error" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190962221:14
guivercthank you for your work & almost always presence & readiness to help kc2bez 21:14
kc2bezok, will do21:15
wxlerrrr21:15
wxlnot that jeez here i go again21:15
kc2bezI can find it21:15
wxloh now i can't find it 21:15
wxlok good21:15
wxlwell thanks as always dan21:15
kc2bezI will comment on the bug21:15
kc2bezYW21:15
kc2bezTime for last has arrived :D21:15
wxlok so21:16
wxluncovered the mess about our sddm theme and made a task for it. assigned to @The_LoudSpeaker as he seemed interested21:16
wxltl;dr needs a refactor so that people can actually work with it21:16
wxlif all of my improvements are implemented there should be two major values:21:16
wxl 1. average users can quickly change colors through a conf file21:17
wxl 2. it will be easy for more advanced designers to contribute artwork21:17
wxlalso did a bunch of other support stuff21:17
wxlmade a new friend shockingly after closing their posts for cross posting :)21:17
kc2bez:)21:18
wxledited the sambashare post on discourse which will serve as a document to refer people to should they have an existing install21:18
wxltriaged bug 190950621:18
ubot93Bug 1909506 in calamares (Ubuntu) "lubuntu hirsute daily install failed  - error message to large for screen" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190950621:18
wxlsurprised we never saw that before21:18
kc2bezI don't think I've ever seen that much come back on an error.21:19
wxltriaged bug 1909622 which ultimately relates to upstream NotShowIn (xdg) issues21:19
ubot93Bug 1909622 in calamares (Ubuntu) "lubuntu hirsute install; calamares error" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190962221:19
wxlsubsequently commented upstream on that particular issue. i think we're closer to a fix21:19
kc2bezBig thanks for that.21:19
wxlsomeone interested in doing some compiling might be able to test out a couple ideas bandied about21:19
wxlcommented on bug 190249721:20
ubot93Bug 1902497 in lxqt-session (Ubuntu) "Hibernation fails Lubuntu 20.10 and 21.04" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190249721:20
wxlinput needed but i believe we should consider removing hibernate from the menu. maybe since it does work in some cases, that's a bad idea. don't know. more input needed21:20
wxldid a lot of task management21:20
kc2bezI agree with the removal21:21
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> same here ..21:21
KGIII+1 with removing it21:21
wxlincluding the compton -> picom switch T9621:21
wxlugh lugito i hate you21:21
wxlhttps://phab.lubuntu.me/T9621:21
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] migrate from compton to picom: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9621:21
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> XD21:21
wxlgot T140 going again which hopefully means some web/marketing improvements (if the contributor is still around)21:22
wxlcame up with an idea to update Cala before running https://phab.lubuntu.me/T18421:22
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] create mechanism to update Calamares and settings before running: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T18421:22
wxlalso got minimal install thinking going again https://phab.lubuntu.me/T5821:23
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] consider minimal install: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T5821:23
wxland i think that's it21:23
kc2bezThanks as always Walter.21:23
wxlit's nice to get some stuff happening again :)21:24
kc2bezI agree. It feels good21:24
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> tks Walter —21:24
* wxl bows humbly21:24
guivercYou've done heaps wxl, thank you  (wider community too)21:24
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Like T184 idea21:24
wxlright, didn't mention the cc stuff :)21:24
kc2bezAnyone else, anything else?21:25
wxli'll just add one other thing since i was earlier talking about people that aren't here21:26
wxlRyuKurisu[m] had expressed some degree of interest in perhaps helping with design, kind of inspired by xscreensaver21:26
wxlwhat they might end up doing is something we haven't had in a long time: actually having artistic guidelines21:27
wxltheir life is busy and so all of this is with no guarantee, so don't go throwing things on their desk :)21:27
wxlthat's it21:27
kc2bezAs far as that goes, everyone should feel free to contribute at the level they feel comfortable with.21:28
wxlright. that's something that i kind of emphasized, too: there's never any requirement or expectation21:28
kc2bezAny help is appreciated!21:29
wxlat least for some of us XD21:29
wxls/some/most/21:29
kc2bezThanks wxl21:29
wxland we DO really really need help in art/design so anyone else that wants to join in PLEASE DO21:29
kc2bez^21:29
kc2bezThanks everyone for being here!21:30
wxlyes and thanks everyone for all the help21:30
guivercwxl, you mentioned compiling (for test), what is involved?21:31
wxl(including lynorian who continues to make our manual awesome)21:31
lubot[telegram] <Leokolb> Yes thanks -great team21:31
guivercyep. concur, the manual is awesome, and a HUGE HELP in support !21:31
wxlguiverc: well, it's a little complicated but i can elaborate21:31
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> this week a lot of support in discourse and telegram!21:34
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> On fire!21:34
kc2bezNice! thanks for the help with that @N0um3n021:35
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lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> thanks to all!!!!21:36
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> Great team21:36
wxlyeah to that end i'll repeat again we had our first russian support post on discourse21:37
wxlthat's exciting news and it wouldn't be possible without you N0um3n0!!!!21:37
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lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> in German, Portuguese, Italian ... some people start to enter from the irc (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> that's exciting news and it wouldn't be possible without you N0um3n0!!!!)21:40
lubot[telegram] <teward001> i assume the bridge is working :P21:40
lubot[telegram] <teward001> for those rooms21:41
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> Yes21:41
lubot[telegram] <teward001> good21:41
lubot[telegram] <N0um3n0> Thanks! (re @teward001: good)21:41
wxlok guiverc the issue is that lxqt-panel would need to be recompiled. for a quick and easy, you could probably grab the closest release in the upstream github, make the necessary changes, compile it, and run it in place from the command line21:41
wxlyou can see the potential fix here (although as you see from my comment later, he flipped the two lines) Thank for this, Walter.21:42
wxlAre you available 12 noon-ish today (Thursday) your time for a phone call? We could probably clear up some questions.21:42
wxlGaryargh21:42
wxlsorry about that wrong paste obviously ughhhh21:43
wxlhttps://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1743#issuecomment-75493829421:43
ubot93Issue 1743 in lxqt/lxqt "Desktop files with NotShowIn=LXQt are still displayed in the menu" [Open]21:43
lubot[telegram] <teward001> *hands wxl a script that disables multiline copy/paste*21:43
wxlbasically when we set the xdg environment we make a list of two things: LXQt and X-LXQT21:43
wxlthey both SHOULD be valid, but the result of making that list is that it doesn't work21:44
wxlwere you to do JUST LXQt it would work21:44
wxlsimilarly with X-LXQT but that's an extension rather than a registered environment, so that wouldn't be useful21:44
wxlso the question is where the problem lies21:45
wxlis the problem related to the fact that we're using a list?21:46
wxli was suggesting exchanging X-LXQT and LXQt with GNOME AND KDE respectively as these are long-supported environments AND additional categories and both should work flawlessly21:46
wxlif using them together fails, then we know the problem is with the list, which is potentially an implementation issue21:47
wxldoes that all make sense?21:47
guivercokay, as (compile) was mentioned after a install bug, I assumed it related to that..   I'll have a look at this later in day.. you may get questions in a few hours21:47
guiverccurrently a little.. does release tested on matter?21:47
wxlguiverc: well, it IS related21:49
wxlthe problem with that particular bug was launching the installer by using the default calamares menu entry that has none of the lubuntu specific stuff21:49
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wxlwe use `NotShowIn` to hide it, but it doesn't work because of that bug, either in lxqt-panel, or perhaps in the xdg spec21:50
guivercyep, I see connection now sorry.21:50
wxlno problem, it's confusing stuff21:51
wxluntil i had actually spent the long time to read the xdg spec this stuff was confusing to me too!21:51
wxlalso additionally confusing is the fact that they are alternately referred to as freedesktop or xdg specs XD21:55
guivercwxl, another issue I was going to bring up after standup, was testcases...  I didn't understand format of those, but how much is involved in getting those reviewed (they will need amending to include 'SWAP', 'NO SWAP' now)21:56
wxlguiverc: sigh they're kind of a pain in the butt. they use their own xml-ish format21:57
guivercI don't mind the checklist (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ amended for swap quickly; in testcase format I'd link with specific case tests & not create new test for that combination)21:59
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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T118: Port LXQt to Qt 6] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T118#406222:49
wxldid everyone notice there is the equivalent of a forum upstream for lxqt now? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/discussions22:49
wxlset up a pull request to fix that on the website https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt.github.io/pull/5422:50
ubot93Pull 54 in lxqt/lxqt.github.io "Change email list to GitHub Discussions page" [Open]22:50
RyuKurisu[m]wxl thanks for the explanation about Calamares 🙂👍23:29
wxlnp :)23:31
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