[01:04] <guiverc> A quick scan of https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle doesn't provide a means to install 20.04 & stay on GA kernel stack (HWE now the default)... anyone aware of a good link for 20.04 users wishing to stay on 5.4/GA stack (issues with 5.8 in support)
[01:13] <sarnold> guiverc: try: apt install linux-generic linux-generic-hwe-20.04-
[01:19] <guiverc> thanks sarnold... I don't have a box to test on (not for me, link intended for support comments).. a QA-test install of 20.04.2 daily yesterday still used 5.4 so HWE wasn't installed anyway.   Thank you
[01:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop - need other ?
[01:36] <guiverc> something somewhere is causing users to bump to HWE I'm guessing post-install & ending up with 5.8 kernel already (last ~32 hours) & thus having issues.. Much of the wiki etc pages assume what was standard up to & including 18.04 (GA kernel default except for .2 & later media; no longer the case with 20.04/focal). Regardless 5.4 should still be default so users have switched to what lotus called edge/5.8.  I was after a link that allows
[01:36] <guiverc> them to switch a 20.04/focal install to GA kernel only.
[01:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Historically the .1 release has the GA kernel - that is not the case ?
[01:39] <guiverc> I've already used sarnold's suggestion in a comment. I was hoping for a URL.   No longer starting with 20.04 (default is now HWE, not GA)
[01:39] <guiverc> 20.04.2 hasn't hit streets yet,  so not obvious yet.
[01:40] <guiverc> Bashing-om, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes  "Ubuntu Desktop flavour now always tracks HWE kernel (hardware enablement). It means that from 20.04.2 release Ubuntu Desktop will gain new major kernel versions every 6 months through to summer of 2022"
[01:40] <sarnold> oh nice
[01:40] <guiverc> these users however are still getting the HWE kernel early!
[01:43] <guiverc> Summer of 2022 is unfortunate wording.. summer down here in the deep-deep-south is december-..
[01:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Early is a bummer to me - 20.04 release: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04/ .
[02:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Hummm ... HWE in focal is a fact - "sysop@2004x-c:~$ apt list linux-modules-extra-5.8.0-34-generic >> linux-modules-extra-5.8.0-34-generic/focal-security,focal-updates 5.8.0-34.37~20.04.2 amd64 ; sysop@2004x-c:~$ apt list linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge >> linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge/focal-security,focal-updates 5.8.0.34.37~20.04.20 amd64" . As I live and learn.
[02:30] <guiverc> I'm on hirsute here, but none of my tested boxes yesterday detected it..   I'll look again on the box besides me when I can.  Thanks Bashing-om
[02:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Something amiss in 20.04 - 2 great testers report the same issue as you: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2456225 .
[02:37] <guiverc> I've seen 9+ reports last ~32 hours..
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:37] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge focal
[03:37] <guiverc> Bashing-om, fyi: updated my 20.04 system, it's still on 5.4[.0-60]
[03:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: If we have 5.4 originally and do not opt in for HWE we should remain on that GA kernel.
[03:40] <guiverc> yeah but as I pasted before from release notes "Ubuntu Desktop flavour now always tracks HWE kernel (hardware enablement)"   which to me meant early Feb-21 (feb 11 is scheduled 20.04.2 from memory)
[03:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Hummm ,,, Hummm .. my focal fully updated: 5.4.0-59-generic.
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: before these bugs, there was HWE edge available for 20.04 i used it to fix a 5.4 bug to goto 5.8
[03:41] <guiverc> 5.4.0-60[.67] (.67 package. -60 only installed) but only just installed
[03:41] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: But that was an optin on your part .. updates are going HWE without permission !
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah so i notice
[03:45] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[03:46] <Bashing-om> ^^ We need a bot fix. "sysop@2004x-c:~$ apt list linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 >> linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04/focal-security,focal-updates 5.8.0.34.37~20.04.20 amd64".
[05:58] <ducasse> good morning
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> added bug #1910555 to the discuss team, this bug can be used to dupe all the recent 5.8 broadcom bugs to
[15:42] <jeremy31> So why are 20.04 users being updated to 5.8 when that used to be just an option
[15:52] <leftyfb> jeremy31: do you have linux-generic-hwe-20.04  installed?
[16:03] <Maik> jeremy31: it's a ongoing thing isn't it? I still have 5.4.0-60 on my Ubuntu MATE 20.04.1 install. No 5.8 in sight
[17:27] <oerheks> they all have HWE installed, and refuse to mention it.. or
[17:27] <oerheks> 20.04.1 fresh install gets the HWE kernel automaticly, like 18.04.1 did
[17:28] <oerheks> but no post saying this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/20.04.1
[17:32] <Maik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Ubuntu_20_LTS_-_Focal_Fossa
[17:32] <Maik> "The 20.04.2 and newer point releases will ship with an updated kernel and X stack by default for the desktop. Server installations will default to the GA kernel and provide the enablement kernel as optional. "
[17:37] <oerheks> ah good spot
[17:38] <Maik> :)
[17:39] <oerheks> sudo apt autoremove
[17:42] <oerheks> hmm .. "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-20.04" does not find any package..
[17:43] <oerheks>  linux-generic-hwe-20.04 is there, xserver-xorg-hwe-20.04 missing
[18:10] <daftykins> Maik's quote isn't news, it's been like that forever
[19:08] <jeremy31> leftyfb:  I think the hwe was installed by user ubuntu during the install
[19:16] <jeremy31> I might have to install 20.04 again without internet and see what it does when I update
[19:47] <oerheks> ah a clue; Livepatch pushed OS update 5.8.0-34
[19:47] <oerheks> see #u
[19:50] <Maik> does kubuntu 20.04 support Livepatch?
[19:51] <Maik> most complaints came from those users
[19:51] <daftykins> it's not flavour specific
[19:51] <Maik> even KDE Neon users reported it so i don't think it has anything to do with the Livepatch
[19:52] <daftykins> eh, why do you feel that excludes it? that's available via PPA for kubuntu no?
[19:52] <daftykins> maybe not even PPA, but available