[00:08] <murthy> Hello everyone
[00:09] <murthy> Is Ubuntu's live kernal patching is sufficient for kernel security updates or is a system reboot is need at times?
[00:09] <murthy> kernel
[00:10] <sarnold> murthy: not everything can be livepatched
[00:11] <sarnold> murthy: periodically there's a bug that's got enough consequences that also requires a reboot to fix, and livepatches won't be produced for the older kernels
[00:11] <sarnold> murthy: take a look at the end of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-September/005602.html for example
[00:13] <murthy> sarnold: I think my Ubuntu server version is 20.04.1, let me check again
[00:16] <murthy> Ubuntu version is Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, kernel version is 5.4.0-1034-aws
[00:19] <murthy> sarnold: Can I ask stuff about Ubuntu on aws here?
[00:19] <murthy> btw I am a noob
[00:20] <murthy> Ok I will just go ahead and ask, if its appropriate kindly answer
[00:21] <murthy> Are the Ubuntu AMIs for Amazon EC2 are by Ubuntu or Its a Amazon's modified version of Ubuntu?
[00:28] <gebbione> murthy, if in the AMIs documentation just says ubuntu i guess it should just be the original ubuntu. Usually the AMI documentation is explicit about these differences
[00:30] <sarnold> murthy: well.. the ubuntu AMIs published on amazon have a kernel that has been customized as amazon asked, and they run an agent (ssm-agent? I think?) that offers some amazon specific features
[00:30] <pillager86> Why won't Eclipse launch from the launcher but I can type in eclipse just fine?
[00:30] <pillager86> How do I edit my launch items?
[00:31] <sarnold> murthy: all these AMIs are published by canonical http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/
[00:32] <sarnold> murthy: there's also ubuntu pro AMIs available, https://ubuntu.com/aws/pro -- I'm not sure if these are in the locator output or not
[00:33] <murthy> sarnold: I will check those out.
[00:38] <pillager86> I have a dead Eclipse icon and I don't see a file in /usr/share/applications for it
[00:47] <pillager86> OK I found two different eclipse desktop entries, buried in the snap folders, and I analyzed the exec field of both and eclipse works when run from the command line but not when launched.
[00:47] <pillager86> How do I fix a broken launcher icon?
[00:48] <pillager86> I already tried reinstalling
[00:58] <pillager86> oh well i give up. i'm going to start installing software the Windows way, random downloads from official websites.
[00:58] <sarnold> lol
[00:58] <pillager86> I think I know how to build things from source and create my own custom launchers that actually work
[00:58] <sarnold> good luck :)
[01:00] <pillager86> lol the Eclipse website has a Linux installer that works better than grabbing it off snap
[01:43] <murthy> gebbione, sarnold, thanks for the help
[01:47] <sarnold> murthy: sure thing :)
[03:24] <Lithium64> good night, i'm with this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209839 after today kernel update on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[03:25] <Lithium64> Can't conect to wired ethernet after this kernel update :/
[03:28] <Bashing-om> Lithium64: In general interest - what kernel - uname -r - ?
[03:28] <Lithium64> 5.8.0-36-generic
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Lithium64: We are seeing a lot of regressions with this kernel - I have no solution to this time to offer other than seeing what results when booting the GA 5.4 kernel.
[03:31] <Lithium64> Bashing-om Thanks, where i can file a bug report?
[03:32] <sarnold> is that driver supplied by the kernel or by a dkms module?
[03:34] <Lithium64> From what I read it is provided by the kernel, the bug was fixed on kernel 5.9.5
[03:35] <Lithium64> 5.9.7*
[03:36] <sarnold> okay, try ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic  -- that should start the bug report process
[03:42] <Lithium64> @sarnold Thanks
[04:39] <backthen> Any easy ways to install ubuntu with gui on android
[05:02] <pip> Is there any way to change the static hostname?
[05:05] <Bashing-om> pip: See: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux .
[05:08] <pip> Bashing-om, Could not set property, Access Denied.
[05:10] <Bashing-om> pip: Do we need "sudo" to perform that function ? re-reading the link.
[05:11] <Rum> Yes
[05:12] <pip> pip@KylinOS:~$ sudo hostnamectl set-hostname KylinOS
[05:12] <pip> Could not set property: Access denied
[05:14] <Bashing-om> pip: Humm .. do "you" have "sudo" rights ? what shows terminal command ' id ' ?
[05:15] <pip> yes, there is a 27(sudo) there in the command output
[05:16] <Rum> pip: you could modify the /etc/hostname file and /etc/hosts along with it manually
[05:17] <Rum> otherwise, it has to be some missing permissions
[05:18] <Bashing-om> pip: Hot me - one can however manually make the change by editing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname; but I do think systemd wants us to use hostnamectl.
[05:18] <pip> Alright, done
[05:18] <Rum> Also, there's a flag for hostnamectl. It's --static IIRC.
[05:18] <Rum> keep it in mind ;)
[05:19] <pip> Well hostnamectl just changed the transient name
[05:19] <pip> The manual way works.
[05:19] <Rum> Good job :)
[05:49] <kwken> how will you explain this: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16094681 ?
[05:53] <lordcirth> !ru | kwken
[05:53] <kwken> use google translate
[05:55] <lordcirth> kwken, it is not understandable via google translate.
[05:56] <lordcirth> kwken, but from what I can tell, the OP is setting the root password to "toor" and wondering why they got rooted.
[05:57] <kwken> why does ubuntu have root ssh login on by default?
[05:58] <lordcirth> kwken, well, for one thing, ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default, and you aren't supposed to set one
[06:00] <ayaka_> I have more than one nvidia graphics cards installed in the same machine using proprietary driver
[06:00] <ayaka_> but when I plug a monitor into it, the tty won't display there unless I do a reboot
[06:01] <ayaka_> is there a way to make the tty display at the display port I just plugged
[06:22] <punkgeek> anybode can help me in this case? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYC4dMDbK5/
[06:33] <guiverc> punkgeek, you could get more people responding if you said what it was & what help you're after...
[07:20] <bryanroderyck> m
[07:22] <bryanroderyck> hello i have two software updater on ubuntu 20.4.1
[07:28] <bryanroderyck> can someone help me to get my wifi working?
[07:30] <ayaka_> I have problem with the netplan, I am using the netplan to configure vlan on my network interface
[07:31] <ayaka_> but I found it won't be apply even I do netplan apply unless I did a reboot
[07:46] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/BIXU1Kx
[07:51] <bryanroderyck> lotuspsychje,
[07:52] <tony145> what is your problem with the WIFI
[07:52] <tony145> it can't connect?
[07:55] <bryanroderyck> tony145, it doesnt connect
[08:06] <tony145> bryanroderyck from what I read it is kinda tricky to make it work but you can try https://suryanshpradhan.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/how-to-fix-broadcom-bcm43142-wifi-not-working-on-ubuntu-18-04-3-lts/
[08:08] <gobs1> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me setup my swap device. I recently installed Ubuntu, and I managed to break the swap when following a tutorial to setup hibernation on ubuntu
[08:09] <gobs1> Now I'm a bit lost, since I don't really understand the disks / partitioning setup...
[08:13] <bryanroderyck> tony145, none of them mmethod are working for me
[08:24] <Linneris> Greetings!
[08:25] <Linneris> My Ubuntu 20.04.1 desktop installation auto-updated to kernel 5.8 and it completely broke my network. Not seeing any wired or wireless connections. Even ifconfig only showed the loopback interface.
[08:26] <Linneris> I booted into 5.4 and it works fine. What should I do now? I tried apt removing the 5.8 kernel image package, but it tries to install the unsigned 5.8 one instead.
[08:31] <guiverc> you could try `apt install linux-generic linux-generic-hwe-20.04-`
[08:31] <guiverc> Linneris, ^  sarnold provided that
[08:31] <bryanroderyck> m
[08:33] <Linneris> Something's not quite right... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fmMJfHstWK/
[08:34] <Linneris> How did that kernel even get installed
[08:34] <Linneris> Looks like it's missing linux-modules-extra and maybe that's why it has no network
[08:34] <guiverc> Linneris, okay sorry, I didn't expect that result (no focal system I have upgraded to 5.8 kernel, so I've not used a system that had that upgrade..)
[08:37] <Linneris> I'll try installng linux-generic-hwe-20.04, it offered me to install kernel 5.8.0-36 with all the dependencies, including linux-modules-extra
[08:39] <Linneris> But can't update the NVIDIA modules
[08:40] <Linneris> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k7FMw9RTyp/
[08:40] <Linneris> Meanwhile I have ii  linux-modules-nvidia-450-generic-hwe-20.04    5.8.0-34.37~20.04.2
[08:41] <Linneris> but 5.8.0-36 *just* got into updates
[08:41] <Linneris> *headdesk*
[08:48] <Linneris> Okay, I've completely removed all packages related to 5.8.0 kernels
[09:06] <bryanroderyck> hello
[09:08] <StarOnD> All my Ubuntu apps keep crashing. Eg. It asks if it should wait or force quit Firefox. Similar with other software. What should I do? I have Ubuntu 20.04
[09:09] <StarOnD> Any hints for me?
[09:12] <asdfgh> hello everybody, i am dealing with service (systemd) and /run/user/{uid}
[09:12] <asdfgh> basically i need to run a program with user privileges not...root for security reason of course
[09:12] <asdfgh> the problem is that /run/user/ is not writable from other users, except root, obviously
[09:13] <asdfgh> how can i create a .pid with user privileges there?
[09:16] <Linneris> StarOnD, it sounds like they're not crashing but freezing
[09:17] <Linneris> If it's all GUI apps, sounds like it's a problem with your graphics stack
[09:17] <Linneris> What GPU and graphics drivers do you use?
[09:18] <StarOnD> Can someone please help me ?
[09:19] <EriC^^> !ask | StarOnD
[09:19] <StarOnD> ubottu ok and many thanks
[09:19] <Linneris> StarOnD, reposting
[09:19] <Linneris> it sounds like they're not crashing but freezing
[09:19] <Linneris> If it's all GUI apps, sounds like it's a problem with your graphics stack
[09:19] <Linneris> What GPU and graphics drivers do you use?
[09:20] <StarOnD> Linneris I have hp pavilion laptop
[09:20] <StarOnD> yes ALL GUI apps are freezing
[09:21] <StarOnD> ( many thanks Linneris for the reply ) what should I be doing?
[09:21] <m2_teknix> While "Switching windows of the same app directly" with "Alt+~" - I sometimes get the window swicther(thumbnail previews) at center of the screen and sometimes the siwtch happens right at the window itself with the window being surrounded by a thick orange border. I DO NOT KNOW WHEN & HOW DOES A PARTICULAR MODE GETS TRIGGERRED?
[09:21] <Linneris> A quick Google tells me that different Pavilion laptops have different graphics cards
[09:21] <Linneris> Do you have an AMD or NVIDIA graphics card or an integrated one?
[09:22] <StarOnD> I have intel corei7 8th Gen HP Pavilion
[09:24] <StarOnD> How do I find out @ Linneris ?
[09:24] <Linneris> Does the terminal work, or does it also freeze?
[09:24] <StarOnD> it ALSO freezes sometimes
[09:25] <StarOnD> Chrome freezes as well
[09:26] <Linneris> If it only freezes sometimes, then I assume you should be able to paste the output of console commands here
[09:26] <Linneris> paste the output of this command here:
[09:26] <Linneris> lspci | grep VGA
[09:27] <StarOnD> ok thanks. please give me a second
[09:27] <StarOnD> The terminal will take some time to start ( apologies )
[09:28] <toymaker> Hi pple, anyone successfully tethered an iphone with iOS 14?
[09:28] <Linneris> No problem!
[09:30] <StarOnD> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
[09:30] <StarOnD> Linneris, above is the output of the command you asked for
[09:31] <Linneris> Aha, so integrated graphics, not a discrete card
[09:31] <StarOnD> ok, and the conclusion is ?
[09:34] <StarOnD> Linneris ?
[09:34] <Linneris> I don't know. I don't think it's the graphics driver, the integrated Intel one is usually rock solid.
[09:35] <Linneris> I fear I lack the expertise needed to solve your problem
[09:35] <StarOnD> ok Linneris
[09:36] <Linneris> You could try launching a freezing app, like Firefox, from the terminal to see if it outputs anything of note
[09:36] <Linneris> just type firefox in the terminal
[09:36] <StarOnD> ok
[09:36] <StarOnD> let me try that
[09:36] <gobs> !ask
[09:36] <StarOnD> I will try firefox &
[09:36] <gobs> (Apologies, was trying something out)
[09:42] <cjoke> is there anything else update-alternatives does than point a symbolic link to another version of a program? Or do I miss something ?
[09:44] <jyak42> Linux yellow belt 2 stripes (aka slightly better than a noob, but still noobish) ...
[09:44] <jyak42> I setup a(n) Ubuntu Server 20.04
[09:44] <jyak42> and can ssh into it
[09:45] <jyak42> with the dream of having a central repo for family pix/vids.
[09:45] <locsmif_work> Hi all. This morning Ubuntu (w/ KDE) failed to boot. It turns out it was just the greeter which never showed. I had access to the terminal. After enabling grub menu at boot and selecting an older kernel everything booted up fine. There was also a dist-upgrade in the pipeline. Running that shows nvidia kernel module compile error. Anybody else had this?
[09:46] <jyak42> I'm in the process of baking up from ext usb connected directly to server... but did drag/drop from tightvnc... but ssh won't stop w/ Ctrl-C on Windows. Is this normal?
[09:48] <jyak42> @locsmif_work, sorry too noob to know if I experienced that ( and also I'm an AMD fan. )
[09:48] <jyak42> ... I did have a Mint VM stop working that I never got to boot again, but moved on. Trying to learn Ubuntu Server.
[09:49] <cjoke> locsmif_work: well, depends, I had a lot of problems with nvidia and different kernels, if I where you I would look into dkms (a tool that helps you use nvidia with more than 1 kernel)
[09:49] <locsmif_work> jyak42: no worries, nice of you to reply. The nature of error was such that it almost had to be an error on the upstream side
[09:49] <locsmif_work> cjoke: already on it
[09:49] <locsmif_work> :)
[09:50] <locsmif_work> cjoke: what I'd like to know is where I can see the last compilation errors, I failed to store them
[09:51] <locsmif_work> But I recall the general gist, some API was called erroneously, vmalloc, I think
[09:51] <locsmif_work> I'm installing a newer nvidia driver now, so maybe this will all be redundant shortly
[09:52] <locsmif_work> Hmm, newer driver compiles without problems. Maybe it's just the kernel team intentionally changing the ABI [sic] again
[09:53] <cjoke> actually I did find a nice pythonscript that takes all kernels I have installed and make them run with nvidia in one go :)
[09:53] <cjoke> locsmif_work: what kernel and nvidia version are you using now ?
[09:53] <StarOnD> (firefox:6740): Gtk-WARNING **: 15:11:05.466: Error loading theme icon 'dialog-warning' for stock: Icon 'dialog-warning' not present in theme Yaru
[09:54] <locsmif_work> cjoke: but.. that's basically what dkms is supposed to do? :)
[09:54] <StarOnD> Linneris Does  that mean anything to you ?
[09:54] <locsmif_work> (Python is my favourite programming language to work in, don't get me wrong)
[09:55] <locsmif_work> StarOnD: that means little unless it's relevant to your problem. Is your problem missing icons?
[09:55] <cjoke> locsmif_work: yes, but not 4 kernelversions in 1 command.
[09:55] <cjoke> Im a noob pythonentusiast :)
[09:55] <StarOnD> My problem is freezing apps
[09:55] <locsmif_work> cjoke: dkms autoinstall --all  should work for all kernels?
[09:56] <locsmif_work> afaict
[09:56] <locsmif_work> StarOnD: freezing apps? Are you on mobile?
[09:56] <locsmif_work> If not, you'll have to be more specific
[09:56] <locsmif_work> cjoke: keep going with Python, it's all worth it
[09:56] <StarOnD> I am on a laptop. Since the last 1 week my Ubuntu 20.04 has been freezing
[09:57] <locsmif_work> StarOnD: running any non-free software / kernel modules? WiFi/Audio/GFX?
[09:57] <StarOnD> nope @ locsmif_work
[09:58] <StarOnD> just usual work on my laptop
[09:58] <locsmif_work> You may want to look at the output of dmesg or post it to a pastebin such as paste.debian.net (no syntax highlighting) and then post a link here
[09:58] <locsmif_work> That error is Firefox-specific and unfortunately completely irrelevant
[09:59] <locsmif_work> It's just missing an icon in some theme, that wouldn't make your system freeze
[09:59] <locsmif_work> Also check if it's overheating
[09:59] <cjoke> locsmif_work: lol, Ill try dkms autoinstall --all  with the laste stable kernel after compiled. I didnt get dkms to work earlier , thats why I did find the pythonscript :)
[10:00] <cjoke> locsmif_work: I did try with the 5.11-rc2 but had problems with kernelsource and headers. So im a little more careful now and go for the 5.10.5 stable :->
[10:00] <asdfgh> how can i check the list of services that start at the beginning?
[10:00] <asdfgh> i need to insert mine too
[10:03] <Linneris> StarOnD, so it started in the last week, and before that, your Ubuntu system was running fine?
[10:03] <locsmif_work> cjoke: without knowing for sure, I *can* say that you have to carefully watch if the nvidia kernel module and the kernel itself don't get too far out of sync with each other, because the kernel team, Torvalds most of all, don't like non-free kernel modules, and keep reminding such projects that the Application Binary Interface (ABI) will change without notice, breaking everything unless your project
[10:03] <locsmif_work> provides sources rather than binary blobs.
[10:05] <StarOnD> yes
[10:05] <locsmif_work> gotta reboot, bbiab
[10:05] <jyak42> #ubuntu-server seems ... stale. is it still alive?
[10:06] <guiverc> yes jyak42 it's still active.
[10:07] <jyak42> @guiverc, when do they wake up? what's the best time to bug 'em?
[10:08] <guiverc> I can't provide a helpful answer sorry
[10:09] <jyak42> @guiverc, ha! no worries.
[10:09] <jyak42> anybody can give me a little hope about ssh?
[10:10] <jyak42> I should have learned and used rsync, but yeah, live and learn.
[10:10] <Linneris> StarOnD, just guessing wildly, it might have been a kernel update
[10:11] <jyak42> I'm afraid that when my client goes to sleep the copy will stop. I'd prefer to put my laptop in hibernate before going to bed.
[10:11] <Linneris> Can you post the output of uname -r?
[10:12] <guiverc> jyak42, servers don't go to sleep generally; however desktops do.  if you've `ssh`'d into a server, it should keep operating (power save functions don't exist on servers; being built instead for performance)
[10:12] <StarOnD> uname -r5.4.0-52-generic
[10:12] <StarOnD> Linneris, does that help ?
[10:14] <jyak42> @guiverc, I mostly follow... already got lectured for not buying server hw ( but it was cheap ) but appears to stay up, but if I logoff the server will the copy still continue?
[10:17] <jyak42> (I'm assuming having the client go to sleep will auto-logoff from the server)
[10:17] <dbugger> Hello fellas
[10:17] <StarOnD> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PsYVTQVMMZ/
[10:18] <StarOnD> My dmesg is above
[10:19] <yossarianuk> hi - i am trying to use either tmux or screen to start a session, then logout (via SSH) and re able to reconnect later
[10:19] <yossarianuk> however, when i logout of ssh I lose the session
[10:20] <yossarianuk> how can I use screen (or tmux) to reconnect to a session after logging out/back-in to ssh
[10:20] <yossarianuk> (pretty sure it works as expected on rhel/centos systems)
[10:20] <StarOnD>  File /var/log/journal/cbe5d9fc05b04a04ba214a0cfb644c51/user-1000.journal corrupted or uncleanly shut down, renaming and replacing.
[10:20] <StarOnD> I can spot that in the dmesg
[10:22] <yossarianuk> i.e - i can detach and re-attach to screen session fine - until I logout of ssh
[10:23] <yossarianuk> when i re-login to ssh i cannot reattach (and there is no screen/SCREEN pid)
[10:24] <StarOnD> ?
[10:28] <StarOnD> can someone please look at the dmesg above in the pastebin and help me ?
[10:31] <Linneris> StarOnD, it's likely the kernel isn't the culprit, then. Kernel 5.4.0-52 is from November.
[10:32] <StarOnD> ok thanks Linneris
[10:32] <Linneris> It does seem that you haven't installed latest system updates, though. Perhaps try that?
[10:32] <StarOnD> I DID DO apt get update and upgrade
[10:32] <Linneris> Ah, hmm
[10:32] <Seven_Six_Two> do you have nvidia card?
[10:32] <StarOnD> I have intel card I think
[10:33] <Linneris> They have integrated Intel graphics
[10:33] <Linneris> [16:30] <StarOnD> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
[10:35] <Linneris> StarOnD, could you do dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[10:35] <StarOnD>  dpkg -l | grep linux-imagerc  linux-image-5.0.0-23-generic               5.0.0-23.24~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-27-generic               5.0.0-27.28~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-29-generic               5.0.0-29.31~18.04.1
[10:35] <StarOnD> amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-31-generic               5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-32-generic               5.0.0-32.34~18.04.2                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-35-generic
[10:35] <StarOnD> 5.0.0-35.38~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-36-generic               5.0.0-36.39~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-37-generic               5.0.0-37.40~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc
[10:35] <StarOnD> linux-image-5.3.0-26-generic               5.3.0-26.28~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericii  linux-image-5.4.0-42-generic               5.4.0-42.46                           amd64        Signed kernel image genericii  linux-image-5.4.0-52-generic               5.4.0-52.57                           amd64        Signed
[10:35] <StarOnD> kernel image genericii  linux-image-generic                        5.4.0.52.55                           amd64        Generic Linux kernel image
[10:36] <bryanroderyck> hello
[10:36] <StarOnD> hi byran
[10:37] <yossarianuk> StarOnD: have you tried a 'sudo apt full-upgrade' ?
[10:37] <StarOnD> yossarianuk should I do that ?
[10:37] <StarOnD> no I have not tried that . what exactly does it do ?
[10:37] <Linneris> StarOnD, it looks like you don't have latest updates installed then, as the latest kernel in focal is 5.4.0-60-generic
[10:37] <Linneris> and before that there were -59 and -58
[10:38] <juliandroske> There's no modules?
[10:39] <bryanroderyck> hi StarOnD
[10:39] <Linneris> I only asked for linux-image output, so no modules in the output, no
[10:40] <yossarianuk> StarOnD: yes , just running 'apt upgrade' (or apt-get upgrade you will be missing updates
[10:40] <yossarianuk> try it and see what packages it wants to instal
[10:40] <StarOnD> ok
[10:40] <dbugger> My Wifi card is playing monkey tricks with the drivers again. The whole Broadcom driver. I am trying to install it, but I get an error when I try to install bcmwl-kernel-source. Can someone please help me solve this?
[10:40] <StarOnD> hello bryan
[10:40] <dbugger> https://pastebin.com/eH4pFETv
[10:42] <bryanroderyck> StarOnD, im a bit stuck with my wifi driver not working maybe after an update
[10:42] <StarOnD> ok I am doing full-upgrade
[10:43] <StarOnD> bryan, I am a person who is seeking help. I am not an expert
[10:43] <bryanroderyck> :)
[10:43] <StarOnD> :)
[10:43] <StarOnD> ;)
[10:44] <ice9> how the kernel livepatch works without rebooting?
[10:46] <cbreak> maybe by loading kernel modules that replace parts of the kernel?
[10:50] <yossarianuk> btw : I found a solution to stop screen/tmux stopping on ssh logout
[10:50] <yossarianuk>  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/490267/prevent-logoff-from-killing-tmux-session
[10:54] <yossarianuk> # systemd-run --scope --user tmux  = solution
[11:24] <tjarlama> hi, i'm seeing "mce: CPU0: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled" on my dmesg output followed by "mce: CPU0: Package temperature/speed normal". Sometimes it happens every 5 mins for about 30mins and almost every 2 hours for most the time. Is this normal or something i need to be worried about?
[11:33] <cbreak> what are the temperatures?
[11:33] <cbreak> maybe your computer's cooling sucks
[11:35] <alexa> I try to start multiple conky scripts via terminal. It works. Then I write a bash script to do the same, it works but only when I run it with mouse, old fashioned way. When I run the script from the terminal, it doesn't work, not it displays any info, no errors, just blank.
[11:35] <alexa> Why does it make any difference=
[11:36] <alexa> ? And also, the think about conky is that I need to run it with & at the end, cause it should stick.
[11:41] <cjoke> why does my tty print text so gadamn slow?
[11:44] <bryanroderyck> hello
[11:45] <tjarlama> @cbreak it's below 50-60 most of the times. I rarely see it goes above 80
[11:46] <tjarlama> @cbreak it's below 50-60 most of the times. I rarely see it goes above 80
[13:01] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:01] <thyriaen> Hiho, i am using Ubuntu 20.04 with gnome on 2 monitors - i would like to configure that the file browser popup, which gets triggered by different programs ( when i need to choose a file, or choose a download location - that sort of thing ) always gets displayed on my main monitor and not on the monitor where the originating program was located on - how can i do that ?
[13:06] <StarOnD> Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank all those who helped me. I did sudo apt-get full-upgrade and my apps are NOT freezing anymore
[13:07] <Rum> Congratz :)
[13:08]  * Rum wishes BluesKaj a good morning
[13:08] <BluesKaj> 'morning Rum
[13:12] <EriC^^> thyriaen: devilspie might be able to do it
[13:12] <thyriaen> EriC^^, is that some sort of program ?
[13:13] <EriC^^> yes
[13:13] <EriC^^> !info devilspie
[13:13] <thyriaen> ty
[13:13] <EriC^^> np
[13:16] <EriC^^> thyriaen: if devilspie doesn't cut it, this looks like it could do https://askubuntu.com/questions/613973/how-can-i-start-up-an-application-with-a-pre-defined-window-size-and-position
[13:19] <EriC^^> thyriaen: also there's the package 'gdevilspie' and 'devilspie2' after reading their description it does mention window position and workspace
[13:20] <thyriaen> EriC^^, sounds great i'll look into it
[13:43] <Voltum> can you guys remove the ads from ubuntu? laat time i used it, it had amazon store search results in global search menu, and also trackers
[13:43] <Voltum> this goes against FOSS spirit
[13:43] <Voltum> i might as well use mac os x or windows
[13:44] <Maik> there are no ads in ubuntu and the amazon store is gone for a long time now
[13:44] <thyriaen> Voltum, what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:45] <Voltum> i am downloading 20.04 now
[13:45] <Voltum> to see the current state
[13:45] <Maik> Voltum: that wasn't the answer to the question
[13:46] <Maik> so, which version are you using now?
[13:46] <Voltum> now i am on debian.
[13:46] <Voltum> but on my other machine, groovy gorilla
[13:48] <Maik> Then you should have known that Groovy doesn't ship the Amazoin store anymore. I can't take your complaint seriously.
[13:52] <wonko> So, 20.04 was freezing from time to time. (ryzen CPU) and google results suggested 20.10. No system level freezing yet (not that it happened often) but now apps will freeze. They eventually recover, but it's super annoying. Any idea how to best debug this?
[13:52] <cousteau> Hi!  How can I sign a PDF?  (as in, add a signature without printing it, signing it with a pen, and then scanning it)
[13:52] <cousteau> My printer is out of ink
[13:52] <cousteau> Does Adobe provide any tool for this that can be installed in Linux?  I see that they provide an online service for this
[13:53] <cousteau> (...and if there's an alternative to Adobe products, then that'll be better)
[13:53] <wonko> I believe LibreOffice can do it
[13:53] <wonko> oh wait, no, different signing. :)
[13:54] <Maik> Voltum: Someone told me you've been here before ranting about the ads thing it seems. If you only come here with that purpose you're in the wrong place.
[13:54] <cousteau> yeah I meant analog signature, not digital signature :)
[13:55] <wonko> yeah, that's a crytographic signature, so not even close to the same thing
[13:55] <wonko> looks like maybe Xournal should work?
[13:55] <wonko> I'm going to look at that as well as I'm sure I'll need to do that one day now that I'm back on linux full time
[13:57] <cousteau> StackOverflow seems to suggest Xournal, but I didn't know if there were any other recommended tools
[13:57] <cousteau> (I guess Evince can't do that, right?)
[14:01] <wonko> Yeah, Evince can't do that
[14:08] <wonko> Slack is definitely the worst offender in the freezing app issue. Which makes work hard when I'm trying to talk to people.
[14:15] <TJ-> cousteau: possibly inkscape
[14:15] <TJ-> wonko: have you analysed logs for clues?
[14:16] <cousteau> Inkscape works for single page documents
[14:16] <cousteau> but it's not an ideal solution.  Although it can be a good workaround.  I've used it before.
[14:16] <cousteau> (for this purpose)
[14:16] <TJ-> wonko: system-level "journalctl -b -0" or user session "journalctl --user -b 0"
[14:16] <TJ-> cousteau: I use Master PDF but it isn't in the archives now
[14:17] <cousteau> oh :(
[14:19] <TJ-> cousteau: there's a roundabout way to do it, which you could shell-script. create a temp directory, split the PDF into separate pages, load the page you want to edit into inkscape, edit, save, then recombine the master PDF from the pages
[14:19] <TJ-> cousteau: pdfseperate > inkscape > pdfunite
[14:20] <TJ-> pdfseparate even!
[14:20] <cousteau> ugh... that's too hacky even for me! :)
[14:25] <TJ-> cousteau: it's quite fast!
[14:25] <TJ-> you'd have done it on the time you've spent asking :D
[14:25] <wonko> What? Not hacky enough! Needs awk! 🤣
[14:26] <wonko> TJ-: I'll check that out when I sit back down at my computer. Thanks!
[14:47] <wonko> It appears to be related to notifications
[14:49] <wonko> the apps freeze when they try to send notifications: https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/54c23c10c2f7b3eb4fdc59ca04de0b6e
[14:50] <blscoe> hi, I'm using ubuntu 20.04, and yesterday I did a software upgrade, as suggested by the system, but now, 'apt-get upgrade' shows some nvidia packages as 'kept-back', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' proposes nvidia updates and new package installations, yet the software updater says everything is up to date
[14:50] <blscoe> furthermore, the additional software dialog says my nvidia driver is "manually installed" and doesn't allow me to switch to another version
[14:50] <blscoe> can somebody help, please?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> blscoe, everything is up to date until the held packages are ready to fully upgrade...it shouldn't be too long
[15:01] <wonko> hmm, it looks like maybe xfce4-notifyd isn't starting or something? the package is installed but I don't see it running. I'm assuming it needs to be?
[15:02] <blscoe> BluesKaj: you mean I should do nothing until Ubuntu pushes a new upgrade or something like that?
[15:03] <EriC^^> blscoe: if you want to upgrade it you could do apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:03] <BluesKaj> blscoe, exactly. best to be safe
[15:03] <blscoe> ok, thanks
[15:04] <blscoe> EriC^^: I didn't specifically want to upgrade, but seeing that, and that my current nvidia driver was marked as "manually installed", I thought my system just got messed up or something
[15:04] <BluesKaj> or you could be adventurous and do what EriC^^ suggests :-)
[15:04] <blscoe> but it I just can wait some days and it will be sorted out, no problem
[15:06] <EriC^^> blscoe: usually when packages are held back it's cause apt upgrade can only update packages and cant install additional ones to fulfill dependencies, for that you need apt full-upgrade
[15:06] <EriC^^> ah my bad, actually apt upgrade can install new ones, but not remove any to fulfill dependencies, just saw "man apt"
[15:08] <EriC^^> blscoe: is it saying that some package will be removed when you run apt-get dist-upgrade ? (and not hit y to continue)
[15:08] <blscoe> apt-get upgrade --> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
[15:08] <blscoe> apt-get dist-upgrade --> 22 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:09] <p0a> Hello, what is the difference between `calibre' and `calibre-bin'?
[15:09] <p0a> they have the same short description and I am not sure how `apt' can be used to find more information
[15:09] <blscoe> the "upgraded" packages are nvidia packages ending in -455, and the "newly installed" are the same packages ending in -460
[15:09] <p0a> nevermind, `apt show calibre' is what to use
[15:10] <EriC^^> blscoe: ah, that doesnt look too good
[15:11] <blscoe> I'm currently using nvidia driver 455, didn't switch to 460 myself
[15:12] <wonko> I don't even see 460 as availably on my 20.10 system
[15:12] <blscoe> maybe this is related to the new 5.8 kernel which was pushed recently for this release, because some other packages like virtualbox also stopped working
[15:12] <wonko> availible, even. :)
[15:13] <egrain> i have this kernel: [drm:intel_gt_verify_workarounds [i915]] *ERROR* GT workaround lost on init! (e184=0/0, expected 2000200)    firefox and so on starts very slowly and then doesn't move anymore. top and free says everything should be working.
[15:14] <EriC^^> blscoe: what does 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999' give you? it's just a simulation, you dont even need to use sudo
[15:16] <WaV> I just did an upgrade myself on 18.04 in which several nvidia packages appeared to be going through a "de-configure" process
[15:17] <blscoe> wonko: it's strange, i don't even have additional repositories other than the official one
[15:17] <blscoe> EriC^^: here you are -> https://termbin.com/n74o
[15:17] <WaV> I don't recall the version numbers though.
[15:18] <EriC^^> !info xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 focal
[15:19] <EriC^^> blscoe: type 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 | nc termbin.com 9999'
[15:19] <EriC^^> actually nevermind, i think it mentions below its from focal-updates
[15:20] <blscoe> EriC^^: I already ran it, it's here: https://termbin.com/uwbb7
[15:21] <EriC^^> blscoe: i wonder why it wants to install the nvidia-460 ones, also it seems like it wants to get rid of the 455 as no longer needed
[15:23] <wonko> Why won't notifications work on 20.10. Is anyone else having that problem? After upgrading from 20.04. Ubuntu Studio if that matters.
[15:23] <EriC^^> blscoe: odd, maybe it's just the repos/update messing up for now, better wait as suggested i guess, just dont run any 'apt-get autoremove' commands for now so it doesnt remove the 455 nvidia
[15:25] <wonko> Ok, so notification settings hangs trying to talk to dbus so this is easily reproducible/testable for me, so that's something. :)
[15:25] <EriC^^> blscoe: does 'grep 460 /var/log/apt/history.log' show anything interesting regarding the nvidia 460?
[15:25] <blscoe> EriC^^: maybe it's because, since yesterday's upgrade, the "additional driver" tab from the "Software & upgrades" utility only lists version 460 as "proprietary, tested" while all the other versions 450, 440... are listed only as "proprietary" but no longer "tested"
[15:26] <EriC^^> aha
[15:26] <blscoe> no references found to 460 in /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:27] <blscoe> also, apt-get autoremove by itself doesn't even attempt to remove anything
[15:29] <EriC^^> aha, for me running apt-cache rdepends nvidia-384 gives these https://termbin.com/8byr  (those are the packages that depend on it and pull it in)
[15:29] <wonko> Here's a thought, am I maybe missing a package that got overlooked during the upgrade?
[15:32] <blscoe> EriC^^: in my case, there is no 'nvidia-460' package I can run that for, but 'apt-cache rdepends nvidia-driver-460' shows 'nvidia-driver-455' and 'nvidia-utils-460' as its 'Reverse depends'
[15:34] <wonko> installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and that didn't help. Bah.
[15:34] <EriC^^> blscoe: ah, i guess that's pulling it in then
[15:36] <wonko> GOT IT
[15:36] <wonko> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1124765/xfce4-notifyd-service-is-not-starting-how-to-troubleshoot
[15:36] <wonko> plasma-workspace was screwing it all up
[15:38] <EriC^^> blscoe: given mine and your output i guess it's normal behavior, up to you whether you want to bite the bullet or not i guess
[15:39] <blscoe> EriC^^: as everything seems to be working in relation to my graphics drivers, I guess the safest option would be to wait until this gets sorted out in the repos, and then, switch to the newly "tested" 460 driver... when Ubuntu gives me the option to do that
[15:42] <EriC^^> blscoe: sounds good
[15:45] <blscoe> by the way, due to a bug between kernel 5.8 and virtualbox, virtualbox-dkms can no longer be built, but: how can I find the reason 'apt-get -s autoremove virtualbox-dkms' tries to pull all those new packages? https://termbin.com/dtbq4
[15:54] <imissedit> Can someone help me with some general firewall stuff?
[15:54] <pasiz> blscoe: try removing virtualbox metapackage
[15:54] <pasiz> not virtualbox dkms
[15:55] <pasiz> imissedit: yes, are you building a stove
[15:55] <imissedit> I've set up UFW to default deny all incoming and outgoing but I'm still seeing connection attempts from bots over random ports
[15:55] <imissedit> @pasiz I do like pizza
[15:55] <pasiz> imissedit: behind your firewall
[15:55] <egrain> kernel: [drm:intel_gt_verify_workarounds [i915]] *ERROR* GT workaround lost on init! (e184=0/0, expected 2000200) tried the older kernel 5.8.0-34 same thing. i can't do anything in X.
[15:56] <imissedit> @pasiz what do you mean behind?  This is a virtual machine spun up on upcloud with a static IP facing the internet... I don't think this is coming from the private network
[15:57] <pasiz> imissedit: so you run ufw in same machine you are hosting some services
[15:57] <imissedit> yes
[15:57] <pasiz> so there is your problem
[15:57] <imissedit> I'm running apache and ssh thats all
[15:58] <imissedit> What do you mean?
[15:58] <lordcirth> imissedit, what is logging these connection attempts? Is it the kernel firewall? You may just need to turn verbosity down in ufw
[15:58] <imissedit> Sorry, I'm new :X
[15:58] <imissedit> its /var/log/auth.log
[15:59] <pasiz> how you would connect to ssh if the port is not open?
[15:59] <imissedit> I'm seeing a lot of "Failed password for root from 51.210.105.39 port 49508 ssh2"
[15:59] <pasiz> yes
[15:59] <pasiz> and to login yourself to ssh
[15:59] <pasiz> you need to open the port
[15:59] <pasiz> thus exposing it to all other world
[15:59] <imissedit> Well I do have :80 and :22 open but I've ip restricted the :22 port
[16:00] <pasiz> so use denyhost to prevent login accounts
[16:00] <pasiz> imissedit: on ufw?
[16:00] <cbreak> disable password authentication via ssh, then you no longer have to worry
[16:00] <imissedit> Yes
[16:00] <imissedit> @cbreak how are they opening connections on random ports to try and authenticate?  I thought UFW would drop the connection attempt before that exchange could happen
[16:01] <cbreak> they probably try port 22
[16:01] <pasiz> and ssh wont log other ports
[16:01] <imissedit> @cbreak but I've IP restriced port 22 with ufw
[16:01] <cbreak> apparently not
[16:02] <imissedit> hmm.. maybe its because of openssh limit anywhere
[16:02] <imissedit> I forgot I put a rate limiter on there. duur I bet thats it
[16:02] <cbreak> if you had firewalled that port, then ssh wouldn't even receive a TCP packet
[16:02] <imissedit> that's what I thought.  I bet I dun goofed and its the OpenSSH rule
[16:02] <lordcirth> imissedit, I think that line means they are connecting to your port 22 from source port 49508
[16:03] <imissedit> lordcirth ooooh! that makes sense
[16:03] <lordcirth> imissedit, also consider fail2ban rather than, or in addition to, IP white/blacklists
[16:03] <cbreak> consider giving up on passwords...
[16:03] <egrain> never mind. i'll try mint then. thanks anyway.
[16:04] <imissedit> cbreak.. I'm getting there.. are you talking about using rsa keys
[16:04] <lordcirth> imissedit, keys in general. I would recommend ed25519
[16:04] <cbreak> sure... or ECDSA
[16:04] <ValidSaintNick> Hi, so I’m in an Airbnb for a few days. The wifi here works on multiple devices, but not for my laptop . I’ve tried connecting to it as a hidden network, running nmcli d wifi list and running iwlist scan. The network simply refuses to show up
[16:04] <imissedit> lordcirth, thanks I was actually going to implement that.. because I was seeing this in the logs but I was wondering why the hell they were even being able to attempt it.
[16:05] <imissedit> I removed the OpenSSH limit rule and that seems to have stopped the bot
[16:05] <ValidSaintNick> I’ve also tried creating a wpa supplicant file, no beans
[16:05] <lordcirth> ah, your ratelimit rule overrode your ip ban? fun
[16:05] <lordcirth> ValidSaintNick, is it 2.4Ghz, 5Ghz, or both?
[16:06] <imissedit> yes it was hitting that first and then allowing.  derped it
[16:06] <lordcirth> Does your laptop support both?
[16:06] <ValidSaintNick> It seems to be both, according to the router
[16:06] <ValidSaintNick> My laptop supports both but usually heavily prefers 2ghz
[16:07] <imissedit> Thanks @lordcirth @cbreak.  Will research ed25519
[16:07] <lordcirth> imissedit, ssh-keygen -t ed25519
[16:07] <cbreak> yubikeys ftw :D
[16:08] <imissedit> yubikeys eh
[16:08] <imissedit> I'll lose that in a heartbeat lol
[16:09] <imissedit> ahh my auth.log is so nice and quiet now :')
[16:13] <ValidSaintNick> https://ibb.co/8mk2gBW
[16:13] <ValidSaintNick> https://ibb.co/BfQ7V4x
[16:14] <ValidSaintNick> Pic of router and pic of wifi list
[16:14] <ValidSaintNick> Looking for a network called “The Yellow Door”
[16:15] <lordcirth> ValidSaintNick, any errors in dmesg?
[16:15] <ValidSaintNick> (The router also supports 2.4, it was just blinking)
[16:16] <ValidSaintNick> Irq 18: nobody cared and I’ll take a pic of the second one since I can’t easily copy paste from laptop to phone phone
[16:18] <ValidSaintNick> https://ibb.co/sQ1hqPD
[16:18] <ValidSaintNick> Second error msg
[16:19] <ValidSaintNick> Update, it’s also not working on my friends ps4. There’s 3 ps4s in the house and it works on the other 2
[16:20] <ValidSaintNick> Beginning to think it may be with the router, but like there’s no reason I shouldn’t be able to see it at all
[16:21] <ValidSaintNick> (He connected using the wps button, is there anyway I can do that)
[16:27] <ValidSaintNick> Nvm, I found out. I’m now connected to a different ssid but no internet
[16:33] <aldcor> hi! I can't update. Here are details https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/kt5vaz/cant_update/?
[16:35] <dkdns> i have updated to 20.10, and the audio broke
[16:36] <dkdns> only root can use alsa, and pulseaudio doesn't see it
[16:36] <lordcirth> aldcor, "apt update && apt full-upgrade" on the command line and pastebin
[16:36] <lordcirth> !paste | aldcor
[16:52] <jwash> hi everyone somewhere in my libreoffice install there is a file which has a reference to "d.adsrc". how would i go about finding it?
[16:55] <lordcirth> jwash, somewhere in the libreoffice package, you need to find a file containing the string "d.adsrc"?
[16:58] <jwash> lordcirth: in the installed files
[16:59] <jwash> doing this now: grep -rnw '/' -e '.adsrc'
[16:59] <jwash> but will likely take forever
[17:00] <lordcirth> jwash, depending on your drive. If it's an SSD, it might not take too long.
[17:27] <dkdns> i have updated to 20.10, and the audio broke
[17:35] <oerheks> dkdns, " pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload " should fix it
[17:36] <oerheks> if not, reinstall: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base pulseaudio && sudo alsa force-reload #  and reboot
[17:54] <FreeBDSM> hi, could someone help me figure out why apt fails to update docker-ce?
[17:54] <FreeBDSM> `sudo apt upgrade` lists stuff to upgrade and lists docker-ce under `The following packages have been kept back`
[17:55] <FreeBDSM> yet `sudo apt update` shows `docker-ce/bionic 5:20.10.2~3-0~ubuntu-bionic amd64 [upgradable from: 5:19.03.13~3-0~ubuntu-bionic]`
[17:55] <oerheks> base, i guess.
[17:55] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: could you expand? I don't get what you mean.
[17:56] <FreeBDSM> oh https://askubuntu.com/questions/601/the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-why-and-how-do-i-solve-it
[17:57] <oerheks> free package held back? update properly; sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # and rboot, then try again
[17:57] <oerheks> i always run full-upgrade, no surprises
[17:58] <hi^-^> why there is no amarok in the 20.04  repos?
[17:58] <FreeBDSM> I never even knew of 'full-upgrade' always did just 'upgrade'
[17:59] <FreeBDSM> I am worried that full-upgrade or something might screw my ubuntu by updating 18.04 (it is working okay) to 20.04 (this version is a failure, definitely not of LTS-quality, too many things are broken)
[17:59] <oerheks> hi^-^, Amarok was a Qt 4 application and for that reason it was removed from Ubuntu.
[17:59] <oerheks> like all QT4 apps
[17:59] <oerheks> * and debian
[18:00] <oerheks> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2419274
[18:01] <FreeBDSM> did the same thing happen to ubuntu earlier? I only was around 16.04 > 18.04 I think and almost nothing got broken
[18:02] <dkdns> oerheks your command worked until reboot, but now it doesn; t work anymore
[18:03] <oerheks> i read a lot of issues withe 20.10/sound
[18:03] <oerheks> file a bugreport?
[18:03] <oerheks> !bug
[18:05] <hi^-^> oerheks: its wikipedia feature and lyrics finding capablities were so good, is there anything like that?
[18:06] <oerheks> hi^-^, i run gnome/clementine, good for lyrics/album art too, but it handles large collections pretty neat
[18:06] <hi^-^> i remember once playing one obscure song with no descriptive metadata or filename and it yet managed to find a relevant wikipedia page
[18:06] <oerheks> and gives an equaliser*
[18:07] <oerheks> oh, there are sites that can help with detection of the song
[18:08] <hi^-^> oerheks: automatically finding lyrics is my primary reason for using graphical music players instead of mocp.
[18:10] <FreeBDSM> I did `sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460` and got `E: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages`
[18:10] <FreeBDSM> and it listed some depends + recommends
[18:10] <hi^-^> once i went around gathering lyrics in text files but you have to open an editor to read each one, and i never found out how does that lyrics feature in mocp works
[18:10] <dkdns> clementine is not compatible with nas'es
[18:11] <hi^-^> (think in language-learning context)
[18:58] <frib> Could someone please help me figure out why ubuntu 20.0 has started to hang for 1+ minute at loading screen when starting up?
[18:58] <zutat> frib: run "systemd-analyze blame" in a terminal
[18:58] <frib> Here is the output of systemd-analyze critical-chain: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fPMxnttqry/
[18:59] <frib> Her is the output of systemd-analyze blame: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9jvZh2s4Md/
[19:00] <zutat> frib: did it actually hang for a minute on this boot?
[19:00] <blaster> Hey guys I had a network share that would automatically mount on boot, but it stopped working and I can't seem to find where the configuration for it was. I checked /etc/fstab and nothing was there.
[19:00] <lordcirth> frib, ah, hi again. It is very strange that backlight -> sysinit took 1m30s but doesn't show a +
[19:00] <blaster> I was sure it was a samba share, as both machines are ubuntu.
[19:04] <frib> zutat, sorry there is another problem with my ubuntu installation where wifi randomly gets turned off
[19:04] <frib> it's extremely frustrating
[19:04] <frib> about the hang time, yes I actualy timed it and it is over 1 minute
[19:04] <frib> probably about 1:20-1:30
[19:05] <lordcirth> frib 1m30s is an interesting number, because systemd uses that for a lot of timeouts
[19:06] <lordcirth> frib, does journalctl -b show anything interesting during that timeframe?
[19:06] <frib> i thought about using ctrl alt f1 or something during boot up to see what its actually trying to do but it didn't work
[19:07] <frib> lordcirth, interesting like what? there's a lot of info there
[19:08] <lordcirth> frib, well, there should be a 1m30s gap in times. And at the beginning and end of that, perhaps something useful?
[19:09] <frib> I don't remember exactly what time I booted at
[19:09] <frib> maybe this?
[19:09] <frib> Jan 08 14:00:17 glicina systemd[1]: NetworkManager-dispatcher.service: Succeeded.
[19:09] <frib> Jan 08 14:02:03 glicina PackageKit[1140]: daemon quit
[19:09] <lordcirth> frib, -b will start the file at boot.
[19:10] <lordcirth> so it should be in the first few pages
[19:10] <frib> Jan 08 14:03:22 glicina NetworkManager[694]: <info>  [1610132602.5349] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi hardware radio set enabled
[19:10] <frib> @ Jan 08 14:03:22
[19:10] <frib> so there's a span of 2-3 minutes
[19:10] <lordcirth> frib, you can just pastebin it all if there's nothing private
[19:11] <frib> what i just pasted is not relevant? theres a big gap there
[19:11] <lordcirth> frib, seeing it context would be easier
[19:11] <lordcirth> *in
[19:11] <frib> I don't know if there is private info but I'll paste this section
[19:12] <frib> btw, the times are not entirely in order
[19:12] <frib> so this kinda doesn't make sense
[19:12] <wonko> Hmm, my whisker start menu button has gone missing. It's just the "image can't be found" thing now.
[19:12] <wonko> This upgrade to 20.10 hasn't been super clean. :(
[19:14] <lordcirth> frib, that is odd
[19:14] <frib> yeah
[19:15] <frib> so what should I do?
[19:15] <lordcirth> frib, you were going to pastebin?
[19:17] <frib> ill reboot first
[19:17] <lordcirth> sure
[19:17] <frib> that way I have less data to check for private info
[19:24] <frib> lordcirth, I think  I found the problem, rebooting
[19:25] <frib> lordcirth, the issue was that I deleted my swap partition and created a different one but I hadn't updated the UUID in fstab so it couldn't find it
[19:30] <lordcirth> frib, ahah, and thus the 1m30s timeout. Makes sense!
[19:46] <davidjsullivan8> Hello All,  Very new to Ubuntu here.  Running 20.04.1 LTS.  Livepatch pushed OS update 5.8.0-34 to my machine.  Updated and then started to receive a bunch of error messages and it shut down my WIFI.  I found the previous kernel in Grub and booted to it.  Then followed web troubleshooting to remove the new update but it failed.  Now I have to use
[19:46] <davidjsullivan8> advanced options to swap the kernel, which adds time to my boot process.  May I please get some advice on how to manage this issue beyond a work around?  Thanks much for reviewing.
[19:53] <lordcirth> davidjsullivan8, 5.8 on 20.04 would be the "linux-generic-hwe-20.04" package. I would make sure that "linux-generic" (5.4) is installed, then remove hwe
[19:53] <lordcirth> I'm not familiar with Livepatch, not sure if it will try to reinstall hwe
[19:53] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4678-1
[20:05] <Teryn> Hello all. Using a Raspberry Pi 4 with Ubuntu Server 20.04. Came from RasPiOS, so not sure how to increase the swap (swapfile?) size. Do I use dphys-swapfile commands as before, or something different?
[20:06] <oerheks> !swap
[20:06] <Teryn> Thanks. :)
[20:06] <oerheks> depends if you have a swp file or swap partition..
[20:07] <Teryn> Pretty much, but I'm a bit noobish, so don't know some basics while having some in-depth knowledge. ^.^;
[20:07] <oerheks> swapon -s
[20:08] <oerheks> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[20:08] <oerheks> i see /swapfile                              	file    	2097148	997632	-2
[20:09] <tgarder> Anyone got experience adding custom keyboard layouts? It looks good here for me, no cache to clear and tried dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data but I just can't get my layout to show (logged in/out of course)
[20:10] <Teryn> oerheks, there's no output at all with swapon -s, does that mean it's using a swapfile?
[20:10] <tgarder> the syntax looks good, but is there any way to validate layouts to make sure? (usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols)
[20:13] <{mikey}> hi
[20:14] <{mikey}> I'm having problems with my mum's laptop that I have set up 20.04
[20:14] <{mikey}> the wifi disapeared after an update
[20:15] <sarnold> {mikey}: that might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1910555
[20:15] <{mikey}> it has broadcom drivers
[20:15] <{mikey}> ubottu, yest
[20:15] <{mikey}> yes
[20:15] <{mikey}> ubottu,  are you a bot
[20:15] <{mikey}> ubottu, good bot
[20:16] <Teryn> !swapfile
[20:18] <rander2> hello
[20:18] <rander2> i changed video card, from nvdia gt610 to radeon 7870
[20:18] <rander2> but using hashcat I obtain :  clGetPlatformIDs(): CL_PLATFORM_NOT_FOUND_KHR
[20:18] <Teryn> I just need to know if I can use dphys-swapfile commands on Ubuntu 20.04 for RasPi, I don't appear to have a swap partition or file specified from the output of 'swapon -s'.
[20:19] <lordcirth> Teryn, I don't see why it wouldn't work on ARM
[20:21] <Teryn> lordcirth, Sorry, mostly being paranoid, as I can see there are differences from the "RasPiOS" way to the "Ubuntu" way. ^_^; Okay, I'll modify the swap size as I normally would have.
[20:22] <lordcirth> Teryn, see also #ubuntu-arm
[20:23] <Teryn> Struck me as more of a developers' channel than for support, like the discourse page. But if you think so...
[20:23] <lordcirth> rander2, "ubuntu-drivers --autoinstall"?
[20:24] <lordcirth> Teryn, the !arm factoid says "arm-specific support", so in theory...
[20:24] <Teryn> Fair enough.  I'll check. :)
[20:24] <lordcirth> rander2, sorry, no dashes, "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[20:34] <{mikey}> humanz any idea what is happening with the bcmwl drivers?
[20:35] <{mikey}> is this a perennial problem, likely to be fixed soon?
[20:42] <{mikey}> where arz de' humanz
[20:43] <lordcirth> {mikey}, here, but presumably not knowing the answer. Can you be more specific?
[20:43] <{mikey}> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1910555
[20:43] <{mikey}> as identified by the botz
[20:44] <{mikey}> lordcirth, looks to me like the 3rd party drivers are being compilled against a newer version of gcc or somesuch that is enforcing stricter rules on warnings.
[20:45] <{mikey}> I've seen gcc do this. But it doesn't seem like a good idea with 3rd party drivers at all.
[20:45] <Teryn> Radio silence on #ubuntu-arm. I know it's important to have patience, but it's dead there...
[20:50] <lordcirth> {mikey}, well, I would just stick with 5.4 until that bug gets addressed
[20:50] <{mikey}> too late
[20:50] <{mikey}> did a autoremove
[20:50] <{mikey}> an
[20:51] <{mikey}> it's not my laptop, but my mum can use a wire until there is an update, but it doesn't look good.
[20:54] <lordcirth> {mikey}, you can just install linux-generic and remove linux-generic-hwe-20.04, I believe
[20:57] <{mikey}> lordcirth, I didnn't even realise this existed
[20:58] <lordcirth> {mikey}, double check /boot for a kernel before rebooting
[20:58] <{mikey}> how would I have landed on it? would a simple apt-get update; apt-get upgrade do it?
[20:59] <{mikey}> lordcirth, we've rebooted already and there are just the 2 in grub both of which have non-functioning wifi drivers and are 5.8 kernel
[20:59] <{mikey}> s
[21:00] <lordcirth> Not sure what the default is on Desktop. Server only gets HWE automatically if you first install a point release that comes with one
[21:05] <{mikey}> actually the bug report is for 5.8.0-34-generic
[21:06] <{mikey}> my guess is that it is more related to a change in gcc than the kernel.
[21:12] <{mikey}> nope looks like ioremap_nocache was removed from the kernel https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/4bdc0d676a643140bdf17dbf7eafedee3d496a3c
[21:24] <Teryn> Does anyone know if Ubuntu Server 20.04 for arm64 uses a swapfile, or any swap method, by default?
[21:25] <mefistofeles> Teryn: I'd guess it's as usual
[21:25] <mefistofeles> as with any other architecture, I mean
[21:25] <Teryn> mefistofeles, as in, a swapfile?  That's standard on RasPiOS, but I know there's differences between it and Ubuntu.
[21:28] <sarnold> Teryn: I used an rpi preinstalled image on my system and I don't think it came with a swapfile out of the box, I had to add one
[21:30] <Teryn> sarnold, Yeah, that's what it looks like, things are running hotter than usual, going by the fanshim, that's probably why.  Nothing dangerous, but I can't run multiple things as smoothly as before.
[21:31] <Teryn> sarnold, I'll make a swapfile and see how things run after that.  Not planning on a huge installation, so it wouldn't hurt to lose 515MB to 1G off a 32GB microSD.
[21:31] <oerheks> check your fstab?
[21:33] <Teryn> oerheks, fstab mentioned nothing about swap.
[21:35] <oerheks> then.. you don't have a swap.
[21:35] <oerheks> swapon -s would show current swap too
[21:52] <dreampwnzor> hello, my monitor supports overclocking to 160hz instead of default 144hz which works out of the box on Windows, however I fail to see how to do this on Arch Linux with X. I tried to add a new mode to xrandr with 160hz but it errors, also tried to use cvt to create modeline and then add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf - no luck either... also not sure how to do this via nvidia-settings as it just shows 144hz and that's it
[21:52] <dreampwnzor> (I know it's Ubuntu channel but surely the config for X should be the same)
[21:54] <pauljw> probably due to your lack of reading comprehension.  see the topic for the channel.
[21:57] <sarnold> man, 160hz monitor sounds pretty neat though
[22:33] <Industrial> Hi.
[22:33] <Industrial> When running `snap install chromium` I am getting `- Run configure hook of "chromium" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot perform operation: mount --rbind /dev /tmp/snap.rootfs_jyVEwu//dev: No such file or directory)`. What now?
[22:35] <oerheks> use sudo
[22:35] <oerheks> sudo snap install chromium
[22:35] <Industrial> Oh, I did. I used sudo :)
[22:37] <oerheks> oh, looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1907798
[22:41] <Industrial> hmm, `apt --fix-broken install` did not fix it for me. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Q2hBtz3r5G/
[22:42] <Industrial> What happened: I had installed chromium-browser with apt which used snap before and at some point I did a sudo reboot from a terminal. After rebooting my snap of chromium no longer worked. removing chromium-browser and applying it again causes this error.
[22:42] <Industrial> oerheks: ^
[22:42] <sarnold> Industrial: try sudo apt purge chromium-browser ; sudo apt-get install -f  ; sudo snap install chromium
[22:43] <oerheks> and clear the cache /var/lib/snapd/cache
[22:43] <oerheks> and/or the cache i ~/snap/<package>
[22:49] <Industrial> Got it working, thanks :-)
[22:50] <sarnold> sweet
[22:55] <gartt> My ubuntu box wifi card seems to shut off after a bit and only comes back online after I'm logging into the desktop environment. I've always been able to ping it and SSH in. Could an update have changed settings? Seems strange
[22:58] <zutat> after support for an oem kernel in an LTS release ends, the functionality will still be available in a hwe kernel, right?
[23:06] <frib> How can I stop my wifi from randomly getting turned off? Somehow the power saving feature is on by default and I can't turn it off
[23:09] <jeremy31> frib, try in terminal>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf && systemctl restart network-manager.service
[23:09] <frib> jeremy31, I already tried that
[23:10] <frib> it doesn't fix the issue
[23:10] <jeremy31> frib: did you try the sudo iwconfi {interface} power off
[23:10] <jeremy31> frib: did you try the sudo iwconfig {interface} power off
[23:10] <frib> no
[23:11] <frib> doesn't that turn my wifi interface off?
[23:12] <jeremy31> frib: just turns wifi power management off
[23:13] <frib> oh
[23:13] <frib> ok
[23:13] <frib> so now what
[23:13] <ButtDog> Trying to run a base script on Ubuntu that ask for userinput all keystrokes are generating really strange characters
[23:14] <ButtDog> https://i.gyazo.com/1546733841765ffac18e6f3105370ed1.png is what happens when I type 123
[23:14] <ButtDog> Any idea what's causing this?
[23:15] <lordcirth> ButtDog, is your language/locale not English? Non-standard keymap? What is the script?
[23:15] <ButtDog> lordcirth, both should be en-us for my ubuntu instlal.
[23:15] <ButtDog> https://github.com/htr-tech/zphisher/blob/master/zphisher.sh
[23:17] <lordcirth> ButtDog, looks like a lot of color codes and maybe other control chars
[23:19] <ButtDog> https://i.gyazo.com/9da99a950eb031375f002c39ccdd53cc.png is what happens if I try to ctrl + c
[23:19] <lordcirth> ButtDog, "reset" should fix the terminal.
[23:20] <ButtDog> Ya, I have to drop the connection or start a new ssh session.
[23:20] <ButtDog> Oh, you're refering to the command. Sorry
[23:21] <ButtDog> https://i.gyazo.com/288560a9fe03f2c15908e9145ddca3fb.jpg
[23:21] <ButtDog> Yikes
[23:23] <pyeverything> I have cuda installed  but not cuda libs/samples/headers. How should I install them in Ubuntu 20.04
[23:23] <sarnold> pyeverything: what package did you install?
[23:25] <pyeverything> I cannot remember but i have these: https://pastebin.com/raw/7MM0Gkde sarnold
[23:26] <pyeverything> sarnold: specifically I need to have helper_math.h file
[23:28] <sarnold> pyeverything: hmm, I don't see a helper_math.h in apt-file search output -- are you sure that file is supplied by something that's packaged in ubuntu?
[23:28] <pyeverything> sarnold: when I search it in the server, it is located here /usr/local/cuda-10.2/samples/common/inc/helper_math.h
[23:29] <pyeverything> but I don't have it on my local machine sarnold
[23:29] <sarnold> oh something funny is going on.. hmm. apt-file nvcc reports nvidia-cuda-toolkit .. but apt-cache show nvidia-cuda-toolkit reports that is a purely virtual package. hrmph.
[23:30] <sarnold> pyeverything: /usr/local means it'll have been installed outside the packaging system; most people who prepare packages won't write anything there
[23:30] <pyeverything> what is your suggestion for me? sarnold
[23:32] <sarnold> pyeverything: read through your notes about where you got the contents of /usr/local/cuda-10.2/. If you're *really* lucky there's a README in there or something that includes the location where you got it
[23:34] <cousteau> OK that's it; I'm disabling Firefox's hardware acceleration
[23:35] <cousteau> I keep getting these strange system crashes, and syslog / kern.log aren't being too helpful.  But there seems to be a bug in "Web Content" and "configmgrWriter"
[23:35] <pyeverything> this is installed for us  /usr/local/cuda-10.2/ sarnold
[23:35] <sarnold> pyeverything: if it is installed by a deb, you can find it with dpkg -S /usr/local/cuda-10.2/
[23:36] <sarnold> pyeverything: it's probably not installed by a deb. probably someone unpacked a tarball there.
[23:37] <nb-ben> hi, I have gc-titan ridge thunderbolt controller -- using it with LG thunderbolt monitors (22md4ka). It all works well, except if I unplug a monitor then nvidia driver crashes and my screen freezes. I get " irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)" right after the nvidia driver crash
[23:37] <cousteau> oh wait, Firefox's HW accel is already disabled...
[23:38] <cousteau> OK, I'm enabling it then!
[23:46] <pyeverything> sarnold: this is what I get libcublas-dev, cuda-curand-10-2, cuda-cudart-10-2, cuda-nvrtc-10-2, libcublas10, cuda-npp-10-2, cuda-nvgraph-10-2, cuda-cusparse-10-2, cuda-cudart-dev-10-2, cuda-driver-dev-10-2, cuda-license-10-2, cuda-nvjpeg-10-2, cuda-cusolver-10-2, cuda-cufft-10-2: /usr/local/cuda-10.2
[23:47] <pyeverything> sarnold: I am confused what is the cuda version on my machine. How can I know it for sure?  I get CUDA Version: 11.1 from nvidia-smi and I get Cuda compilation tools, release 10.1, V10.1.243
[23:47] <pyeverything>  from nvcc --version
[23:47] <sarnold> pyeverything: oh wow! then whoever packaged that broke the rules :) interesting. try apt-cache show libcublas-dev
[23:48] <pyeverything> sarnold: I am confused what is the cuda version on my machine. How can I know it for sure?  I get CUDA Version: 11.1 from nvidia-smi and I get Cuda compilation tools, release 10.1, V10.1.243 from nvcc --version
[23:48] <sarnold> it's sometimes possible to have multiple versions of things installed
[23:48] <pyeverything> it shows a lot of information. I am not sure if I could share them since it includes SHA1 and such sarnold
[23:49] <pyeverything> :(
[23:49] <sarnold> bash's 'type' command can be helpful to understand what program you're actually executing -- eg 'type bash' should show /usr/bin/bash or /bin/bash
[23:50] <sarnold> pyeverything: if there's a Homepage: line, it'll tell you the upstream homepage. If there's a Filename: line, it'll tell you the path to the file on the archive mirror .. apt policy cuda-license-10-2  will probably tell you which server has it
[23:54] <pyeverything> ok sarnold Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.1.0.105-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.2.0.163-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.2.0.168-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.2.1.243-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.2.2.89-1_amd64.deb and Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.2.2.214-1_amd64.deb and Filename: ./libcublas-dev_10.2.3.254-1_amd64.deb and  --> not sure what's an upstream homepage here
[23:56] <sarnold> pyeverything: and the apt policy output? does that report a server?
[23:56] <sarnold> pyeverything: I'm guessing it won't, those look like someone might have done apt install ./*cuda* or dpkg -i ./*cuda* at some point
[23:59] <pyeverything> thanks for help sarnold