=== watkinsr48491 is now known as watkinsr4849 [00:08] Hello everyone [00:09] Is Ubuntu's live kernal patching is sufficient for kernel security updates or is a system reboot is need at times? [00:09] kernel [00:10] murthy: not everything can be livepatched [00:11] murthy: periodically there's a bug that's got enough consequences that also requires a reboot to fix, and livepatches won't be produced for the older kernels [00:11] murthy: take a look at the end of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-September/005602.html for example [00:13] sarnold: I think my Ubuntu server version is 20.04.1, let me check again [00:16] Ubuntu version is Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, kernel version is 5.4.0-1034-aws [00:19] sarnold: Can I ask stuff about Ubuntu on aws here? [00:19] btw I am a noob [00:20] Ok I will just go ahead and ask, if its appropriate kindly answer [00:21] Are the Ubuntu AMIs for Amazon EC2 are by Ubuntu or Its a Amazon's modified version of Ubuntu? [00:28] murthy, if in the AMIs documentation just says ubuntu i guess it should just be the original ubuntu. Usually the AMI documentation is explicit about these differences [00:30] murthy: well.. the ubuntu AMIs published on amazon have a kernel that has been customized as amazon asked, and they run an agent (ssm-agent? I think?) that offers some amazon specific features [00:30] Why won't Eclipse launch from the launcher but I can type in eclipse just fine? [00:30] How do I edit my launch items? [00:31] murthy: all these AMIs are published by canonical http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ [00:32] murthy: there's also ubuntu pro AMIs available, https://ubuntu.com/aws/pro -- I'm not sure if these are in the locator output or not [00:33] sarnold: I will check those out. [00:38] I have a dead Eclipse icon and I don't see a file in /usr/share/applications for it [00:47] OK I found two different eclipse desktop entries, buried in the snap folders, and I analyzed the exec field of both and eclipse works when run from the command line but not when launched. [00:47] How do I fix a broken launcher icon? [00:48] I already tried reinstalling [00:58] oh well i give up. i'm going to start installing software the Windows way, random downloads from official websites. [00:58] lol [00:58] I think I know how to build things from source and create my own custom launchers that actually work [00:58] good luck :) [01:00] lol the Eclipse website has a Linux installer that works better than grabbing it off snap === JoeBk_ is now known as JoeBk [01:43] gebbione, sarnold, thanks for the help === JoeBk_ is now known as JoeBk [01:47] murthy: sure thing :) === zbenjamin is now known as Guest58160 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [03:24] good night, i'm with this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209839 after today kernel update on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS [03:24] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 209839 in Network "r8169 (RTL8125B): "rtl_rxtx_empty_cond == 0 (loop: 42, delay: 100)" and connectivity loss, caused by small fragmented datagrams" [Normal,Reopened] [03:25] Can't conect to wired ethernet after this kernel update :/ [03:28] Lithium64: In general interest - what kernel - uname -r - ? [03:28] 5.8.0-36-generic [03:30] Lithium64: We are seeing a lot of regressions with this kernel - I have no solution to this time to offer other than seeing what results when booting the GA 5.4 kernel. [03:31] Bashing-om Thanks, where i can file a bug report? [03:32] is that driver supplied by the kernel or by a dkms module? [03:34] From what I read it is provided by the kernel, the bug was fixed on kernel 5.9.5 [03:35] 5.9.7* [03:36] okay, try ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic -- that should start the bug report process [03:42] @sarnold Thanks === gabkdlly_ is now known as gabkdlly [04:39] Any easy ways to install ubuntu with gui on android [05:02] Is there any way to change the static hostname? [05:05] pip: See: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux . [05:08] Bashing-om, Could not set property, Access Denied. [05:10] pip: Do we need "sudo" to perform that function ? re-reading the link. [05:11] Yes [05:12] pip@KylinOS:~$ sudo hostnamectl set-hostname KylinOS [05:12] Could not set property: Access denied [05:14] pip: Humm .. do "you" have "sudo" rights ? what shows terminal command ' id ' ? [05:15] yes, there is a 27(sudo) there in the command output [05:16] pip: you could modify the /etc/hostname file and /etc/hosts along with it manually [05:17] otherwise, it has to be some missing permissions [05:18] pip: Hot me - one can however manually make the change by editing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname; but I do think systemd wants us to use hostnamectl. [05:18] Alright, done [05:18] Also, there's a flag for hostnamectl. It's --static IIRC. [05:18] keep it in mind ;) [05:19] Well hostnamectl just changed the transient name [05:19] The manual way works. [05:19] Good job :) [05:49] how will you explain this: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16094681 ? [05:53] !ru | kwken [05:53] kwken: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [05:53] use google translate [05:55] kwken, it is not understandable via google translate. [05:56] kwken, but from what I can tell, the OP is setting the root password to "toor" and wondering why they got rooted. [05:57] why does ubuntu have root ssh login on by default? [05:58] kwken, well, for one thing, ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default, and you aren't supposed to set one [06:00] I have more than one nvidia graphics cards installed in the same machine using proprietary driver [06:00] but when I plug a monitor into it, the tty won't display there unless I do a reboot [06:01] is there a way to make the tty display at the display port I just plugged [06:22] anybode can help me in this case? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYC4dMDbK5/ [06:33] punkgeek, you could get more people responding if you said what it was & what help you're after... === zkanda9 is now known as zkanda [07:20] m [07:22] hello i have two software updater on ubuntu 20.4.1 [07:28] can someone help me to get my wifi working? [07:30] I have problem with the netplan, I am using the netplan to configure vlan on my network interface [07:31] but I found it won't be apply even I do netplan apply unless I did a reboot [07:46] https://imgur.com/a/BIXU1Kx === khfeng_ is now known as khfeng [07:51] lotuspsychje, [07:52] what is your problem with the WIFI [07:52] it can't connect? [07:55] tony145, it doesnt connect [08:06] bryanroderyck from what I read it is kinda tricky to make it work but you can try https://suryanshpradhan.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/how-to-fix-broadcom-bcm43142-wifi-not-working-on-ubuntu-18-04-3-lts/ [08:08] Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me setup my swap device. I recently installed Ubuntu, and I managed to break the swap when following a tutorial to setup hibernation on ubuntu [08:09] Now I'm a bit lost, since I don't really understand the disks / partitioning setup... [08:13] tony145, none of them mmethod are working for me [08:24] Greetings! [08:25] My Ubuntu 20.04.1 desktop installation auto-updated to kernel 5.8 and it completely broke my network. Not seeing any wired or wireless connections. Even ifconfig only showed the loopback interface. [08:26] I booted into 5.4 and it works fine. What should I do now? I tried apt removing the 5.8 kernel image package, but it tries to install the unsigned 5.8 one instead. [08:31] you could try `apt install linux-generic linux-generic-hwe-20.04-` [08:31] Linneris, ^ sarnold provided that [08:31] m [08:33] Something's not quite right... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fmMJfHstWK/ [08:34] How did that kernel even get installed [08:34] Looks like it's missing linux-modules-extra and maybe that's why it has no network [08:34] Linneris, okay sorry, I didn't expect that result (no focal system I have upgraded to 5.8 kernel, so I've not used a system that had that upgrade..) [08:37] I'll try installng linux-generic-hwe-20.04, it offered me to install kernel 5.8.0-36 with all the dependencies, including linux-modules-extra [08:39] But can't update the NVIDIA modules [08:40] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k7FMw9RTyp/ [08:40] Meanwhile I have ii linux-modules-nvidia-450-generic-hwe-20.04 5.8.0-34.37~20.04.2 [08:41] but 5.8.0-36 *just* got into updates [08:41] *headdesk* [08:48] Okay, I've completely removed all packages related to 5.8.0 kernels [09:06] hello [09:08] All my Ubuntu apps keep crashing. Eg. It asks if it should wait or force quit Firefox. Similar with other software. What should I do? I have Ubuntu 20.04 [09:09] Any hints for me? [09:12] hello everybody, i am dealing with service (systemd) and /run/user/{uid} [09:12] basically i need to run a program with user privileges not...root for security reason of course [09:12] the problem is that /run/user/ is not writable from other users, except root, obviously [09:13] how can i create a .pid with user privileges there? [09:16] StarOnD, it sounds like they're not crashing but freezing [09:17] If it's all GUI apps, sounds like it's a problem with your graphics stack [09:17] What GPU and graphics drivers do you use? [09:18] Can someone please help me ? [09:19] !ask | StarOnD [09:19] StarOnD: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [09:19] ubottu ok and many thanks [09:19] StarOnD: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:19] StarOnD, reposting [09:19] it sounds like they're not crashing but freezing [09:19] If it's all GUI apps, sounds like it's a problem with your graphics stack [09:19] What GPU and graphics drivers do you use? [09:20] Linneris I have hp pavilion laptop [09:20] yes ALL GUI apps are freezing [09:21] ( many thanks Linneris for the reply ) what should I be doing? [09:21] While "Switching windows of the same app directly" with "Alt+~" - I sometimes get the window swicther(thumbnail previews) at center of the screen and sometimes the siwtch happens right at the window itself with the window being surrounded by a thick orange border. I DO NOT KNOW WHEN & HOW DOES A PARTICULAR MODE GETS TRIGGERRED? [09:21] A quick Google tells me that different Pavilion laptops have different graphics cards [09:21] Do you have an AMD or NVIDIA graphics card or an integrated one? [09:22] I have intel corei7 8th Gen HP Pavilion [09:24] How do I find out @ Linneris ? [09:24] Does the terminal work, or does it also freeze? [09:24] it ALSO freezes sometimes [09:25] Chrome freezes as well [09:26] If it only freezes sometimes, then I assume you should be able to paste the output of console commands here [09:26] paste the output of this command here: [09:26] lspci | grep VGA [09:27] ok thanks. please give me a second [09:27] The terminal will take some time to start ( apologies ) [09:28] Hi pple, anyone successfully tethered an iphone with iOS 14? [09:28] No problem! [09:30] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) [09:30] Linneris, above is the output of the command you asked for [09:31] Aha, so integrated graphics, not a discrete card [09:31] ok, and the conclusion is ? [09:34] Linneris ? [09:34] I don't know. I don't think it's the graphics driver, the integrated Intel one is usually rock solid. [09:35] I fear I lack the expertise needed to solve your problem [09:35] ok Linneris [09:36] You could try launching a freezing app, like Firefox, from the terminal to see if it outputs anything of note [09:36] just type firefox in the terminal [09:36] ok [09:36] let me try that [09:36] !ask [09:36] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [09:36] I will try firefox & [09:36] (Apologies, was trying something out) [09:42] is there anything else update-alternatives does than point a symbolic link to another version of a program? Or do I miss something ? [09:44] Linux yellow belt 2 stripes (aka slightly better than a noob, but still noobish) ... [09:44] I setup a(n) Ubuntu Server 20.04 [09:44] and can ssh into it [09:45] with the dream of having a central repo for family pix/vids. [09:45] Hi all. This morning Ubuntu (w/ KDE) failed to boot. It turns out it was just the greeter which never showed. I had access to the terminal. After enabling grub menu at boot and selecting an older kernel everything booted up fine. There was also a dist-upgrade in the pipeline. Running that shows nvidia kernel module compile error. Anybody else had this? [09:46] I'm in the process of baking up from ext usb connected directly to server... but did drag/drop from tightvnc... but ssh won't stop w/ Ctrl-C on Windows. Is this normal? [09:48] @locsmif_work, sorry too noob to know if I experienced that ( and also I'm an AMD fan. ) [09:48] ... I did have a Mint VM stop working that I never got to boot again, but moved on. Trying to learn Ubuntu Server. [09:49] locsmif_work: well, depends, I had a lot of problems with nvidia and different kernels, if I where you I would look into dkms (a tool that helps you use nvidia with more than 1 kernel) [09:49] jyak42: no worries, nice of you to reply. The nature of error was such that it almost had to be an error on the upstream side [09:49] cjoke: already on it [09:49] :) [09:50] cjoke: what I'd like to know is where I can see the last compilation errors, I failed to store them [09:51] But I recall the general gist, some API was called erroneously, vmalloc, I think [09:51] I'm installing a newer nvidia driver now, so maybe this will all be redundant shortly [09:52] Hmm, newer driver compiles without problems. Maybe it's just the kernel team intentionally changing the ABI [sic] again [09:53] actually I did find a nice pythonscript that takes all kernels I have installed and make them run with nvidia in one go :) [09:53] locsmif_work: what kernel and nvidia version are you using now ? [09:53] (firefox:6740): Gtk-WARNING **: 15:11:05.466: Error loading theme icon 'dialog-warning' for stock: Icon 'dialog-warning' not present in theme Yaru [09:54] cjoke: but.. that's basically what dkms is supposed to do? :) [09:54] Linneris Does that mean anything to you ? [09:54] (Python is my favourite programming language to work in, don't get me wrong) [09:55] StarOnD: that means little unless it's relevant to your problem. Is your problem missing icons? [09:55] locsmif_work: yes, but not 4 kernelversions in 1 command. [09:55] Im a noob pythonentusiast :) [09:55] My problem is freezing apps [09:55] cjoke: dkms autoinstall --all should work for all kernels? [09:56] afaict [09:56] StarOnD: freezing apps? Are you on mobile? [09:56] If not, you'll have to be more specific [09:56] cjoke: keep going with Python, it's all worth it [09:56] I am on a laptop. Since the last 1 week my Ubuntu 20.04 has been freezing [09:57] StarOnD: running any non-free software / kernel modules? WiFi/Audio/GFX? [09:57] nope @ locsmif_work [09:58] just usual work on my laptop [09:58] You may want to look at the output of dmesg or post it to a pastebin such as paste.debian.net (no syntax highlighting) and then post a link here [09:58] That error is Firefox-specific and unfortunately completely irrelevant [09:59] It's just missing an icon in some theme, that wouldn't make your system freeze [09:59] Also check if it's overheating [09:59] locsmif_work: lol, Ill try dkms autoinstall --all with the laste stable kernel after compiled. I didnt get dkms to work earlier , thats why I did find the pythonscript :) [10:00] locsmif_work: I did try with the 5.11-rc2 but had problems with kernelsource and headers. So im a little more careful now and go for the 5.10.5 stable :-> [10:00] how can i check the list of services that start at the beginning? [10:00] i need to insert mine too [10:03] StarOnD, so it started in the last week, and before that, your Ubuntu system was running fine? [10:03] cjoke: without knowing for sure, I *can* say that you have to carefully watch if the nvidia kernel module and the kernel itself don't get too far out of sync with each other, because the kernel team, Torvalds most of all, don't like non-free kernel modules, and keep reminding such projects that the Application Binary Interface (ABI) will change without notice, breaking everything unless your project [10:03] provides sources rather than binary blobs. [10:05] yes [10:05] gotta reboot, bbiab [10:05] #ubuntu-server seems ... stale. is it still alive? [10:06] yes jyak42 it's still active. [10:07] @guiverc, when do they wake up? what's the best time to bug 'em? [10:08] I can't provide a helpful answer sorry [10:09] @guiverc, ha! no worries. [10:09] anybody can give me a little hope about ssh? [10:10] I should have learned and used rsync, but yeah, live and learn. [10:10] StarOnD, just guessing wildly, it might have been a kernel update [10:11] I'm afraid that when my client goes to sleep the copy will stop. I'd prefer to put my laptop in hibernate before going to bed. [10:11] Can you post the output of uname -r? [10:12] jyak42, servers don't go to sleep generally; however desktops do. if you've `ssh`'d into a server, it should keep operating (power save functions don't exist on servers; being built instead for performance) [10:12] uname -r5.4.0-52-generic [10:12] Linneris, does that help ? [10:14] @guiverc, I mostly follow... already got lectured for not buying server hw ( but it was cheap ) but appears to stay up, but if I logoff the server will the copy still continue? [10:17] (I'm assuming having the client go to sleep will auto-logoff from the server) [10:17] Hello fellas [10:17] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PsYVTQVMMZ/ [10:18] My dmesg is above [10:19] hi - i am trying to use either tmux or screen to start a session, then logout (via SSH) and re able to reconnect later [10:19] however, when i logout of ssh I lose the session [10:20] how can I use screen (or tmux) to reconnect to a session after logging out/back-in to ssh [10:20] (pretty sure it works as expected on rhel/centos systems) [10:20] File /var/log/journal/cbe5d9fc05b04a04ba214a0cfb644c51/user-1000.journal corrupted or uncleanly shut down, renaming and replacing. [10:20] I can spot that in the dmesg === jyak42 is now known as jyak42_zzz [10:22] i.e - i can detach and re-attach to screen session fine - until I logout of ssh [10:23] when i re-login to ssh i cannot reattach (and there is no screen/SCREEN pid) [10:24] ? === khfeng_ is now known as khfeng [10:28] can someone please look at the dmesg above in the pastebin and help me ? [10:31] StarOnD, it's likely the kernel isn't the culprit, then. Kernel 5.4.0-52 is from November. [10:32] ok thanks Linneris [10:32] It does seem that you haven't installed latest system updates, though. Perhaps try that? [10:32] I DID DO apt get update and upgrade [10:32] Ah, hmm [10:32] do you have nvidia card? [10:32] I have intel card I think [10:33] They have integrated Intel graphics [10:33] [16:30] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) [10:35] StarOnD, could you do dpkg -l|grep linux-image [10:35] dpkg -l | grep linux-imagerc linux-image-5.0.0-23-generic 5.0.0-23.24~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-27-generic 5.0.0-27.28~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-29-generic 5.0.0-29.31~18.04.1 [10:35] amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-31-generic 5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-32-generic 5.0.0-32.34~18.04.2 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-35-generic [10:35] 5.0.0-35.38~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-36-generic 5.0.0-36.39~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc linux-image-5.0.0-37-generic 5.0.0-37.40~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericrc [10:35] linux-image-5.3.0-26-generic 5.3.0-26.28~18.04.1 amd64 Signed kernel image genericii linux-image-5.4.0-42-generic 5.4.0-42.46 amd64 Signed kernel image genericii linux-image-5.4.0-52-generic 5.4.0-52.57 amd64 Signed [10:35] kernel image genericii linux-image-generic 5.4.0.52.55 amd64 Generic Linux kernel image [10:36] hello [10:36] hi byran [10:37] StarOnD: have you tried a 'sudo apt full-upgrade' ? [10:37] yossarianuk should I do that ? [10:37] no I have not tried that . what exactly does it do ? [10:37] StarOnD, it looks like you don't have latest updates installed then, as the latest kernel in focal is 5.4.0-60-generic [10:37] and before that there were -59 and -58 [10:38] There's no modules? [10:39] hi StarOnD [10:39] I only asked for linux-image output, so no modules in the output, no [10:40] StarOnD: yes , just running 'apt upgrade' (or apt-get upgrade you will be missing updates [10:40] try it and see what packages it wants to instal [10:40] ok [10:40] My Wifi card is playing monkey tricks with the drivers again. The whole Broadcom driver. I am trying to install it, but I get an error when I try to install bcmwl-kernel-source. Can someone please help me solve this? [10:40] hello bryan [10:40] https://pastebin.com/eH4pFETv [10:42] StarOnD, im a bit stuck with my wifi driver not working maybe after an update [10:42] ok I am doing full-upgrade [10:43] bryan, I am a person who is seeking help. I am not an expert [10:43] :) [10:43] :) [10:43] ;) [10:44] how the kernel livepatch works without rebooting? [10:46] maybe by loading kernel modules that replace parts of the kernel? [10:50] btw : I found a solution to stop screen/tmux stopping on ssh logout [10:50] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/490267/prevent-logoff-from-killing-tmux-session [10:54] # systemd-run --scope --user tmux = solution === daybreak is now known as tjarlama [11:24] hi, i'm seeing "mce: CPU0: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled" on my dmesg output followed by "mce: CPU0: Package temperature/speed normal". Sometimes it happens every 5 mins for about 30mins and almost every 2 hours for most the time. Is this normal or something i need to be worried about? [11:33] what are the temperatures? [11:33] maybe your computer's cooling sucks [11:35] I try to start multiple conky scripts via terminal. It works. Then I write a bash script to do the same, it works but only when I run it with mouse, old fashioned way. When I run the script from the terminal, it doesn't work, not it displays any info, no errors, just blank. [11:35] Why does it make any difference= [11:36] ? And also, the think about conky is that I need to run it with & at the end, cause it should stick. [11:41] why does my tty print text so gadamn slow? [11:44] hello [11:45] @cbreak it's below 50-60 most of the times. I rarely see it goes above 80 [11:46] @cbreak it's below 50-60 most of the times. I rarely see it goes above 80 [13:01] 'morning folks [13:01] Hiho, i am using Ubuntu 20.04 with gnome on 2 monitors - i would like to configure that the file browser popup, which gets triggered by different programs ( when i need to choose a file, or choose a download location - that sort of thing ) always gets displayed on my main monitor and not on the monitor where the originating program was located on - how can i do that ? [13:06] Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank all those who helped me. I did sudo apt-get full-upgrade and my apps are NOT freezing anymore [13:07] Congratz :) [13:08] * Rum wishes BluesKaj a good morning [13:08] 'morning Rum [13:12] thyriaen: devilspie might be able to do it [13:12] EriC^^, is that some sort of program ? [13:13] yes [13:13] !info devilspie [13:13] devilspie (source: devilspie): find windows and perform actions on them. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.23-2build1 (focal), package size 44 kB, installed size 228 kB [13:13] ty [13:13] np [13:16] thyriaen: if devilspie doesn't cut it, this looks like it could do https://askubuntu.com/questions/613973/how-can-i-start-up-an-application-with-a-pre-defined-window-size-and-position [13:19] thyriaen: also there's the package 'gdevilspie' and 'devilspie2' after reading their description it does mention window position and workspace [13:20] EriC^^, sounds great i'll look into it [13:43] can you guys remove the ads from ubuntu? laat time i used it, it had amazon store search results in global search menu, and also trackers [13:43] this goes against FOSS spirit [13:43] i might as well use mac os x or windows [13:44] there are no ads in ubuntu and the amazon store is gone for a long time now [13:44] Voltum, what version of ubuntu are you using ? [13:45] i am downloading 20.04 now [13:45] to see the current state [13:45] Voltum: that wasn't the answer to the question [13:46] so, which version are you using now? [13:46] now i am on debian. [13:46] but on my other machine, groovy gorilla [13:48] Then you should have known that Groovy doesn't ship the Amazoin store anymore. I can't take your complaint seriously. [13:52] So, 20.04 was freezing from time to time. (ryzen CPU) and google results suggested 20.10. No system level freezing yet (not that it happened often) but now apps will freeze. They eventually recover, but it's super annoying. Any idea how to best debug this? [13:52] Hi! How can I sign a PDF? (as in, add a signature without printing it, signing it with a pen, and then scanning it) [13:52] My printer is out of ink [13:52] Does Adobe provide any tool for this that can be installed in Linux? I see that they provide an online service for this [13:53] (...and if there's an alternative to Adobe products, then that'll be better) [13:53] I believe LibreOffice can do it [13:53] oh wait, no, different signing. :) [13:54] Voltum: Someone told me you've been here before ranting about the ads thing it seems. If you only come here with that purpose you're in the wrong place. [13:54] yeah I meant analog signature, not digital signature :) [13:55] yeah, that's a crytographic signature, so not even close to the same thing [13:55] looks like maybe Xournal should work? [13:55] I'm going to look at that as well as I'm sure I'll need to do that one day now that I'm back on linux full time [13:57] StackOverflow seems to suggest Xournal, but I didn't know if there were any other recommended tools [13:57] (I guess Evince can't do that, right?) [14:01] Yeah, Evince can't do that [14:08] Slack is definitely the worst offender in the freezing app issue. Which makes work hard when I'm trying to talk to people. [14:15] cousteau: possibly inkscape [14:15] wonko: have you analysed logs for clues? [14:16] Inkscape works for single page documents [14:16] but it's not an ideal solution. Although it can be a good workaround. I've used it before. [14:16] (for this purpose) [14:16] wonko: system-level "journalctl -b -0" or user session "journalctl --user -b 0" [14:16] cousteau: I use Master PDF but it isn't in the archives now [14:17] oh :( [14:19] cousteau: there's a roundabout way to do it, which you could shell-script. create a temp directory, split the PDF into separate pages, load the page you want to edit into inkscape, edit, save, then recombine the master PDF from the pages [14:19] cousteau: pdfseperate > inkscape > pdfunite [14:20] pdfseparate even! [14:20] ugh... that's too hacky even for me! :) [14:25] cousteau: it's quite fast! [14:25] you'd have done it on the time you've spent asking :D [14:25] What? Not hacky enough! Needs awk! 🤣 [14:26] TJ-: I'll check that out when I sit back down at my computer. Thanks! [14:47] It appears to be related to notifications [14:49] the apps freeze when they try to send notifications: https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/54c23c10c2f7b3eb4fdc59ca04de0b6e [14:50] hi, I'm using ubuntu 20.04, and yesterday I did a software upgrade, as suggested by the system, but now, 'apt-get upgrade' shows some nvidia packages as 'kept-back', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' proposes nvidia updates and new package installations, yet the software updater says everything is up to date [14:50] furthermore, the additional software dialog says my nvidia driver is "manually installed" and doesn't allow me to switch to another version [14:50] can somebody help, please? [15:00] blscoe, everything is up to date until the held packages are ready to fully upgrade...it shouldn't be too long [15:01] hmm, it looks like maybe xfce4-notifyd isn't starting or something? the package is installed but I don't see it running. I'm assuming it needs to be? [15:02] BluesKaj: you mean I should do nothing until Ubuntu pushes a new upgrade or something like that? [15:03] blscoe: if you want to upgrade it you could do apt-get dist-upgrade [15:03] blscoe, exactly. best to be safe [15:03] ok, thanks [15:04] EriC^^: I didn't specifically want to upgrade, but seeing that, and that my current nvidia driver was marked as "manually installed", I thought my system just got messed up or something [15:04] or you could be adventurous and do what EriC^^ suggests :-) [15:04] but it I just can wait some days and it will be sorted out, no problem [15:06] blscoe: usually when packages are held back it's cause apt upgrade can only update packages and cant install additional ones to fulfill dependencies, for that you need apt full-upgrade [15:06] ah my bad, actually apt upgrade can install new ones, but not remove any to fulfill dependencies, just saw "man apt" [15:08] blscoe: is it saying that some package will be removed when you run apt-get dist-upgrade ? (and not hit y to continue) [15:08] apt-get upgrade --> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. [15:08] apt-get dist-upgrade --> 22 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [15:09] Hello, what is the difference between `calibre' and `calibre-bin'? [15:09] they have the same short description and I am not sure how `apt' can be used to find more information [15:09] the "upgraded" packages are nvidia packages ending in -455, and the "newly installed" are the same packages ending in -460 [15:09] nevermind, `apt show calibre' is what to use [15:10] blscoe: ah, that doesnt look too good [15:11] I'm currently using nvidia driver 455, didn't switch to 460 myself [15:12] I don't even see 460 as availably on my 20.10 system [15:12] maybe this is related to the new 5.8 kernel which was pushed recently for this release, because some other packages like virtualbox also stopped working [15:12] availible, even. :) [15:13] i have this kernel: [drm:intel_gt_verify_workarounds [i915]] *ERROR* GT workaround lost on init! (e184=0/0, expected 2000200) firefox and so on starts very slowly and then doesn't move anymore. top and free says everything should be working. [15:14] blscoe: what does 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999' give you? it's just a simulation, you dont even need to use sudo [15:16] I just did an upgrade myself on 18.04 in which several nvidia packages appeared to be going through a "de-configure" process === denningsrogue9 is now known as denningsrogue [15:17] wonko: it's strange, i don't even have additional repositories other than the official one [15:17] EriC^^: here you are -> https://termbin.com/n74o [15:17] I don't recall the version numbers though. [15:18] !info xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 focal [15:18] Package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 does not exist in focal [15:19] blscoe: type 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 | nc termbin.com 9999' [15:19] actually nevermind, i think it mentions below its from focal-updates [15:20] EriC^^: I already ran it, it's here: https://termbin.com/uwbb7 [15:21] blscoe: i wonder why it wants to install the nvidia-460 ones, also it seems like it wants to get rid of the 455 as no longer needed [15:23] Why won't notifications work on 20.10. Is anyone else having that problem? After upgrading from 20.04. Ubuntu Studio if that matters. [15:23] blscoe: odd, maybe it's just the repos/update messing up for now, better wait as suggested i guess, just dont run any 'apt-get autoremove' commands for now so it doesnt remove the 455 nvidia [15:25] Ok, so notification settings hangs trying to talk to dbus so this is easily reproducible/testable for me, so that's something. :) [15:25] blscoe: does 'grep 460 /var/log/apt/history.log' show anything interesting regarding the nvidia 460? [15:25] EriC^^: maybe it's because, since yesterday's upgrade, the "additional driver" tab from the "Software & upgrades" utility only lists version 460 as "proprietary, tested" while all the other versions 450, 440... are listed only as "proprietary" but no longer "tested" [15:26] aha [15:26] no references found to 460 in /var/log/apt/history.log [15:27] also, apt-get autoremove by itself doesn't even attempt to remove anything [15:29] aha, for me running apt-cache rdepends nvidia-384 gives these https://termbin.com/8byr (those are the packages that depend on it and pull it in) [15:29] Here's a thought, am I maybe missing a package that got overlooked during the upgrade? [15:32] EriC^^: in my case, there is no 'nvidia-460' package I can run that for, but 'apt-cache rdepends nvidia-driver-460' shows 'nvidia-driver-455' and 'nvidia-utils-460' as its 'Reverse depends' [15:34] installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and that didn't help. Bah. [15:34] blscoe: ah, i guess that's pulling it in then [15:36]