[05:18] <JackFrost> xfce4-taskmanager could make sense, not sure about catfish though...
[07:45] <jphilips> search is a basic feature of a file manager, and as thunar doesn't have it built in, catfish is important IMO
[07:46] <jphilips> is the build system output anywhere, as i'd like to see how xubuntu is built from source
[11:23] <JackFrost> I guess it's not a basic feature of a file manager if thunar doesn't have it, then. :P
[11:26] <JackFrost> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/hirsute/
[11:45] <jphilips> basic feature of a modern file manager :D
[11:46] <JackFrost> Are you proposing we change file managers..?
[11:46] <jphilips> thanks for the link, but it seems to only show outputs. is there a build script somewhere
[11:47] <JackFrost> That's part of the cdimage team or whatnot, in git.
[11:47] <jphilips> nope not suggesting we change file managers, i prefer thunar, but all other file managers have builtin search, other than pcmanfm
[11:49] <JackFrost> "All" is a rather wide statement..
[11:51] <jphilips> all except thunar and pcmanfm
[11:51] <jphilips> atleast when it comes to the major file managers used on all the linux DEs
[11:52] <JackFrost> Basically, the point is that different people consider differently what's a basic desktop feature, thunar lacking a find tool would indicate someone doesn't agree with you.  Indeed, I haven't used catfish in a very long time, if I have.  I've heard before that Core already has a bit of bloat, which yes it does, we want to avoid "Core is just desktop but without firefox".  There you go, "Of KDE, 
[11:52] <JackFrost> GNOME, MATE, Xfce, and LXDE; Xfce and LXDE are the only ones that don't have find" ;)
[11:53] <jphilips> its great seeing that 4.16 got into bullseye
[11:54] <JackFrost> Nothing specifically against catfish of course, though there are other tools that do the same.  Mugshot is just the one I'm really not for, unless the deps were fixed. :P
[11:56] <JackFrost> ...Back in 2017, very good then.
[11:59] <jphilips> mugshot does let you set an account image/photo which isn't configurable anywhere else that i can see, so it does have a use :D
[12:01] <JackFrost> Never claimed it didn't.  Also, cp Pictures/unit193.png .face  isn't really *that* hard.
[12:04] <jphilips> definitely not hard if you knew how to do it. i didn't until you just mentioned it :D
[12:04] <JackFrost> But!  You're in luck, we *do* have mugshot on the desktop ISO!
[12:05] <JackFrost> Technically it'd be better to use 'convert' to ensure you have the right size, but details.
[14:12] <DarkTrick> jphilips, I think the thunar-approach is the cleanest of all
[14:13] <DarkTrick> catfish is a plugin
[14:13] <DarkTrick> This is general modularization of software
[14:14] <DarkTrick> It leaves you the option of 1) updating one without the other 2) let users decide which search engine they'd like to use.
[14:15] <DarkTrick> search engine -> search module
[14:15] <DarkTrick> e.g. I think cat fish works pretty poorly and am happy it's not built into thunar; otherwise I couldn't exchange it
[14:23] <jphilips> catfish isn't a plugin, its a separate app. if it was a plugin, it would extend the functionality of thunar without having to leave it.
[14:30] <jphilips> having a separate search app for more extensive searching is one thing, but a simple recursive search through the current folder isn't something that needs to be outside of a file manager
[14:35] <DarkTrick> jphilips, did you tried Ctrl+S ?
[14:35] <DarkTrick> in Thunar
[14:35] <DarkTrick> that's a search within the current folder
[14:36] <DarkTrick> jphilips, it's a matter of definition whether to call catfish "plugin". I call it that, because the functionality is "plug-in-able".
[14:43] <jphilips> nope hadn't tried Ctrl+S before. i normally just start typing to find a file within the current folder
[15:03] <DarkTrick> I also just found out about it the other day, but for "the current folder" it works pretty well
[23:05] <bluesabre> JackFrost: tagged some new releases * https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.15.2 * https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.14
[23:06] <bluesabre> Working on updating greybird now
[23:08] <ochosi> thnks bluesabre 
[23:16] <bluesabre> JackFrost: ready for upload if you'd like to sponsor: https://salsa.debian.org/desktop-themes-team/greybird-gtk-theme/-/tree/debian/master
[23:50] <bluesabre> JackFrost: https://salsa.debian.org/xfce-extras-team/elementary-xfce is likewise ready, save for a lintian error about the duplicate-globbing-patterns
[23:50] <bluesabre> E: elementary-xfce source: duplicate-globbing-patterns elementary-xfce/emblems/*/emblem-readonly.svg in lines 10 30
[23:50] <bluesabre> E: elementary-xfce source: duplicate-globbing-patterns elementary-xfce/emblems/*/emblem-unreadable.svg in lines 10 30
[23:50] <bluesabre> E: elementary-xfce source: duplicate-globbing-patterns elementary-xfce/tools/*/draw-brush.svg in lines 10 30
[23:50] <bluesabre> E: elementary-xfce source: duplicate-globbing-patterns elementary-xfce/tools/*/draw-freehand.svg in lines 10 30