[00:41] <xu-irc39w> Hello, I am a longtime user of MythTV.  I run it under Xubuntu now and the latest crop of Ubuntu updates, left me without any networking.  I have restored from backup to see it happen while I was watching.  Can anyone tell me where to start to restore the networking?  20.04 or maybe I already reached 20.04.1
[00:56] <kotek14> xu-irc39w: Start by looking at "ifconfig -a" output to see if your interface is identified
[00:58] <Bashing-om> xu-irc39w: See too: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/07/if-youre-still-using-ifconfig-youre-living-in-the-past/ .
[01:02] <kotek14> Bashing-om: Meh. It works well enough for these purposes
[01:03] <Bashing-om> kotek14: Uh Huh - It works is why it is still around after all this time ?
[01:05] <kotek14> Bashing-om: I believe that it's still around because some people just don't want to learn another tool to list the interfaces.
[01:05] <kotek14> I'm not saying that you should manage your interfaces with it.
[01:07] <kotek14> Bashing-om: The article you posted basically says "Don't use ifconfig because it's old".
[01:08] <Bashing-om> kotek14: Did bot read into it - was a thought might have a troubleshhoting tip :(
[01:08] <Bashing-om> did not*
[01:10] <kotek14> Bashing-om: My thinking here is simple. A) If the interface is there (whatever tool you use to discover it), you dig deeper. B) If it's not, it's probably the driver.
[01:10] <kotek14> One of the kernel updates partially broke my sound, so I believe path B might me possible.
[01:11] <kotek14> And it can be solved just by installing the network adapter driver.
[01:13] <Bashing-om> kotek14: As good a way as many to fault isolate :D
[01:14] <kotek14> Bashing-om: Exactly. If you know a better/faster/easier way, feel free to propose it. It's an open discussion after all
[01:15] <Bashing-om> we await xu-irc39w to catch up.
[01:49] <xu-irc39w> I'm sorry, I tried following a recent post elsewhere.
[01:50] <xu-irc39w> I get:
[01:51] <kotek14> pastebin it
[01:51] <xu-irc39w> Command 'ifconfig' not found, but can be installed with: sudo apt install net-tools
[01:51] <kotek14> Okay. Run "ip -o a"
[01:52] <xu-irc39w> Sorry I can't pastebin because I don't have a shell going into the system that lost its networking.
[01:53] <kotek14> No worries then
[01:53] <kotek14> You don't have to type up all of the output
[01:53] <xu-irc39w> ip -o a yields:
[01:53] <kotek14> Only grab the first thing of every line
[01:54] <xu-irc39w> l:lo inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo\
[01:54] <xu-irc39w> l:low inet6 ::1/128 scope host \
[01:56] <xu-irc39w> Let me add more info from the thread I looked at:  My bootloader is set up to load kernel v. 5.8.0-36-generic, but the headers never made it into /usr/src after the update.  No idea what happened.  I tried it twice now because I restored from backup to have the same thing happen while I watched.
[01:57] <kotek14> Wait, so you only have "lo" there?
[01:58] <xu-irc39w> Yep, only the "lo"
[01:58] <kotek14> That's the problem
[01:58] <Bashing-om> xu-irc39w: kotek14: ^ Let's say the driver failed to build for that 5.8 kernel[ what results when booting a 5.4 kernel from grub's "advanced options" menue ?
[01:58] <xu-irc39w> I can boot under the old 5.4 kernel using grub's advanced options menu.  When I do that, the network is back.
[01:59] <kotek14> Well, now we are certain what the problem is
[02:01] <xu-irc39w> The box starts by itself to record TV shows, so I am not there to boot 5.4 under advanced options for grub, my application (mythtv) won't start, I think because it doesn't know what "localhost" is, so it thinks it can't find the location of the TV shows database.
[02:03] <kotek14> I mean, as a quick and dirty hot glue patch you can install grub-customizer and make 5.4 default
[02:04] <kotek14> Have you tried to upgrade once more from under 5.4
[02:04] <kotek14> ?
[02:04] <xu-irc39w> Thank you kotek14--I didn't realize grub-customizer is available to make it easier to change the default.
[02:07] <xu-irc39w> So, when I used apt install Linux-headers-5.8.x, was that what you (kotek14) meant by upgrade once more from under 5.4?  (I usually let the tool do the upgrades by itself but didn't think to do it that way)
[02:08] <kotek14> I'd just try "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[02:09] <kotek14> It tends to correct these "partially installed stuff" situations
[02:11] <xu-irc39w> Thank you for the suggestion, let me spin up 5.4.x and give  "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade" a try right now.
[02:12] <kotek14> No problem
[02:21] <xu-irc39w> I tried  "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade", from 5.4, it installed a few packages and stopped.  I rebooted into 5.8 but no love.
[02:29] <kotek14> xu-irc39w: Sad. Have you tried reinstalling linux-5.8 and everything related?
[02:32] <xu-irc39w> Did trying sudo apt install Linux-headers-5.8.x from the command line, do that?  If not, are you thinking, I might get different results running the GUI updater from 5.4 kernel?
[02:34] <xu-irc39w> I guess I'll try the GUI updater from 5.4, and probably the grub-customizer so if it does the same thing, I can just leave it booting into 5.4 for now.
[02:34] <Bashing-om> xu-irc39w: What thinks the package manager ' sudo dpkg -C ; sudo apt -f install ' ?
[02:36] <xu-irc39w> Bashing-om:  Are you suggesting trying that?  I'm afraid the command is beyond my understanding...
[02:37] <Bashing-om> xu-irc39w: they "audit" the system for broken packaging - dpkg is a lower level look.
[02:38] <xu-irc39w> Bashing-om:  I see.  I will give it a try and report back in a couple minutes
[02:38] <Bashing-om> xu-irc39w: No change to the system - just looking :P
[02:55] <xu-irc39w> I tried ' sudo dpkg -C ; sudo apt -f install ' but I had to enter it as two separate commands (maybe I needed the quotes) but that didn't result in installing anything.  So I tried the software updater (from 5.4), but that didn't seem to install much of anything and the problem didn't go away.  So I got grub-customizer to boot it into 5.4.x by
[02:55] <xu-irc39w> default for now.
[02:58] <xu-irc39w> Is waiting a week or two, restoring the old image, and trying the upgrade over again very likely to fix this issue?  I take it, none of you running xubuntu have had this problem recently?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> xu-irc39w: I Have no issue myself (5.4.0-60-generic)  - however I am aware that the 5.8 kernel upgrade has caused a number of problems.
[03:14] <xu-irc39w> I see.  Maybe I can wait for the next kernel after 5.8...  Thank you kotek14 and Bashing-om very much for your assistance tonight and helping me get it going for now.  This was my first time every trying irc for a problem (usually I could help myself).  Have a great evening!
[12:55] <coconut> nnnnnnnnnnnn
[16:17] <indyZ> So, I have this problem with xubuntu on a thinkpad t490. I set it to suspend when I close the lid. When I open it back up, the X session seems no longer responsive to mouse and keyboard inputs, though all the programs are still running. I have to jump to a non-X11 tty and run "killall xfce4-session" .. then my graphical sessoin dies and I'm able to log back in again.
[16:17] <indyZ> Well, I can still move the cursor. Just not click on anything or use the keyboard for anything (within the X session)
[16:19] <indyZ> Using Xubuntu 20.04.1
[16:21] <indyZ> I also notice that the battery usage is far inferior to windows. not sure why that is. I saw something about an nvidia gpu needing to be toggled off or into low power mode or something, but mine uses an intel gpu so I'm not sure if that's it.
[17:42] <gnrp> indyZ: Considering the battery usage, try the tool powertop
[17:43] <gnrp> also, you can use htop to see if there are any processes constantly causing processing
[17:43] <gnrp> for the X session: When you suspend without closing the lid, what happens then?
[18:09] <CestSebastian> hey, few days ago I got the 5.8 kernel update. my ideapad running xubuntu 20.04.1 LTS x86_64 got all messed up, wifi/usb/resolution/etc all got unusable.  anyone had similar issues?
[18:20] <Maik> CestSebastian: if you look at askubuntu there should be more users that ran into issues with the 5.8 kernel, also on Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[18:21] <CestSebastian> thanks Maik!
[18:21] <Maik> np
[18:33] <CestSebastian> can I just purge all 5.8 related packages? then update grub?
[18:46] <Maik> CestSebastian: to be honest i don't know and am confused ever since people started talking about the 5.8 kernel on 20.04 LTS. I didn't get that update at all on my Ubuntu MATE install and don't know what is going on. The HWE kernel is normally to be released in February when 20.04.2 LTS point release comes out.
[18:47] <Maik> so it's too early to receive 5.8
[18:50] <CestSebastian> thanks anyways! at least now I know what to look for. previously all google results related to kernel 5.8 were praises of it's awesomeness
[18:51] <CestSebastian> i'm sure it is but i'd like to find a workaround for now
[19:01] <CestSebastian> purged all packages related to 5.8, let's see what happed
[19:05] <CestSebastian> all good! thanks again Maik for your time!
[20:20] <Curly> Greetings!
[20:23] <Curly> Does anyone here know what the word: Ubuntu   means?
[20:23] <diogenes_> !ubuntu
[20:24] <Curly> The word:  Ubuntu  comes from Africa.
[20:25] <Curly> Ubuntu is a complex word from the Nguni language with several definitions, all of them difficult to translate into English.
[20:26] <Curly> The Nguni languages are a group of related languages that are spoken in Southern Africa, mostly in South Africa,
[20:27] <Curly> Ubuntu is best known outside of Africa as a humanist philosophy associated with Nelson Mandela (1918–2013) and Archbishop Desmond Tutu (born 1931). Curiosity about the name may also come from it being used for the open source operating system called Ubuntu.
[20:28] <Curly> This definition should be posted on the Ubuntu Website.
[20:32] <Curly> https://www.thoughtco.com/the-meaning-of-ubuntu-43307
[20:38] <Curly> Diogenes, your nick is an interesting one. Greek Philosophy.
[20:38] <Curly> Diogenes was a Greek philosopher and one of the founders of Cynic philosophy. He was born in Sinope, an Ionian colony on the Black Sea coast of modern day Turkey,[1] in 412 or 404 BC and died at Corinth in 323 BC.[2]
[20:39] <Curly> Diogenes are you a philosopher?
[20:48] <Curly> Diogenes there is a person in history named: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diotrephes
[20:49] <Curly> His name means "nourished by Jupiter".
[20:50] <Curly> I am working on a:  Cheat Sheet   of commands. I have not seen one for Xubuntu.
[20:53] <Curly> I just found one:   https://www.kompulsa.com/ubuntu-commands-a-cheat-sheet-with-examples/
[21:34] <Anthrax> Hi.
[21:35] <Anthrax> I'm searching for wine32 integration with xubuntu to install my Office2019 license. May you help me with another irc channel or solutions. I just follow several websites and none of them worked for me
[21:43] <gnrp> Anthrax: Did you try the wine channel directly?
[21:52] <Anthrax> Tks gnrp
[21:55] <gnrp> Anthrax: Usually, you can just try #projectname, so #wine or so
[21:55] <gnrp> or you check the website
[21:55] <gnrp> nope, sorry
[21:55] <gnrp> #winehq
[21:55] <gnrp> see https://www.winehq.org/irc