[03:49] <callmepk> good morning
[03:53] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[04:03] <callmepk> morning duflu 
[05:49] <duflu> Also good afternoon callmepk 
[05:49]  * duflu assumes you're still in HK
[05:51]  * callmepk is still in HK
[05:54] <jibel> Good morning
[05:57] <callmepk> morning jibel 
[06:01] <jibel> Hi callmepk 
[06:05] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[06:15] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[06:28] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:30] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[06:30] <duflu> How goes?
[06:30] <seb128> hey duflu! I'm doing alright ... you?
[06:30] <duflu> seb128, pretty good
[06:30] <seb128> great :-)
[07:11] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:12] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[07:15] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:21] <didrocks> good morning
[07:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[07:22] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[07:24] <oSoMoN> bien, et toi?
[07:27] <didrocks> ça va bien, un peu frisquet ici :)
[07:29] <oSoMoN> pareil, on est dans le négatif toutes les nuits
[07:29] <didrocks> il neige et ça tient ! Pour la troisième fois de l’année, ça change du centre ville de Lyon :p
[07:30] <jibel> Salut didrocks oSoMoN 
[07:31] <didrocks> hey jibel 
[07:33] <oSoMoN> salut jibel 
[08:42] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu jibel seb000 oSoMoN didrocks
[08:42] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson 
[08:42] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, duflu 
[08:46] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[09:01] <Laney> \_o_/
[09:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:02] <Laney> yoflu
[09:21] <marcustomlinson> Lahey!
[09:22] <seb128> hey again there
[09:23] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, sorry forgot to reply yesterday but subscribing the team to that source is ok I guess
[09:23] <didrocks> seb128: mind doing it and commenting on the MIR? THanks
[09:23] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:37] <callmepk> hi seb128 oSoMoN didrocks Laney marcustomlinson 
[09:41] <didrocks> hey callmepk 
[09:43] <seb128> didrocks, commented and subscribed
[09:43] <didrocks> thx!
[12:51] <jibel> Laney, when you have some time can you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mfo/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/390637
[12:51] <jibel> I'd like your opinion 
[12:52] <Laney> yeah
[12:52] <Laney> I tried to think about it the other day and couldn't get engaged properly
[12:52] <Laney> but I'll try again, thanks
[14:29] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:29] <kenvandine> good morning
[14:30] <hellsworth> hey there ken :)
[14:30] <seb128> hey there, let's see if I remember how those things are working!
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-12
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 12 14:30:54 2021 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <didrocks999> hey!
[14:31] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:31] <kenvandine> o/
[14:31] <hellsworth> \o
[14:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:32] <Laney> \o|
[14:32] <seb128> k, let's get started :-)
[14:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
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[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no desktop section
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> no unassigned one
[14:33] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
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[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:34] <seb128> bug #1910838 , I tagged it since it claims to be a regression
[14:34] <ubot5> bug 1910838 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "stopped working after latest update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910838
[14:34] <seb128> could be the same as bug #1905370
[14:34] <ubot5> bug 1905370 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "The tray icon cannot be displayed when the Ubuntu 20.10 is turned on" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1905370
[14:34] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ do you know what's going on there? 
[14:36] <seb128> k, no Marco it seems
[14:36] <seb128> I've asked on the bug if restarting the process helps as in the other bug
[14:37] <seb128> I tagged as rls so we have an eye on it but it lacks a bit of information at the time so I propose that we wait for the details and Marco's opinion
[14:37] <kenvandine> probably
[14:37] <seb128> let's move on then
[14:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:37] <seb128> bug #1627564
[14:37] <ubot5> bug 1627564 in debconf (Ubuntu) "Debconf crash due to assertion failure in ensure_surface_for_gicon [gtkiconhelper.c:493] (when png loader is missing/during upgrades)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627564
[14:38] <Laney> this old thing
[14:38] <seb128> there is a recent comment which is interesting
[14:39] <seb128> which is why it gtk was added back
[14:39] <seb128> I think it's worth investigating was was described in the most recent comment
[14:40] <seb128> would anyone be interested by poking at that code to see what's the issue exactly and if it's not working as intended?
[14:42] <seb128> seems not
[14:42] <seb128> opinion on whether we should accept for rls or maybe just trello card it?
[14:43] <Laney> Not sure about that proposed fix
[14:43] <Laney> image-missing is there in gtk as a resource, but the problem is it can't be loaded
[14:44] <Laney> not that it's not being found
[14:44] <Laney> unless there's a format which doesn't require any loader and is always available
[14:44] <seb128> hum, right, that's the png loader missing
[14:44] <seb128> not the icon
[14:44] <seb128> you are right
[14:44] <Laney> anyway I can look if you want, might end up just being bounced back
[14:44] <Laney> but I can write that reply
[14:45] <seb128> that would be great, thanks!
[14:45] <seb128> k, that was the only one on this report
[14:45] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
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[14:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> nothing to review there
[14:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:46] <seb128> the ones there are things handled needing triaging
[14:47] <seb128> #topic rls-hh-bug
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[14:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> same story there
[14:47] <seb128> I will do some cleanups after the meeting, trying to be better not lefting noise on the lists
[14:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:48] <seb128> nothing unassigned
[14:48] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
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[14:48] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:48] <seb128> colord I remember now that Chris asked me to sponsor the fix, will do after the meeting
[14:49] <seb128> tjaalton, could you check what is needed ot unblock the xorg-server update?
[14:49] <seb128> Laney, do you know if the glib/tracker/armhf issue is a real one or flakyness?
[14:49] <Laney> I'm looking after that one
[14:50] <Laney> it's one of those slow under load crap tests
[14:50] <Laney> we should skip it for the autopkgtest, I will do that probably
[14:50] <tjaalton> seb128: luck
[14:50] <seb128> Laney, thx
[14:50] <Laney> was waiting for a quiet period to retry it but people keep uploading stuff
[14:50] <Laney> silly people
[14:50] <seb128> tjaalton, that doesn't seem to work :p
[14:50] <marcustomlinson> people...
[14:50] <seb128> Laney, heh :-)
[14:51] <kenvandine> we'll all take a few days off so the tests pass :)
[14:51] <tjaalton> marking sonic-pi test flaky would be the next step I guess
[14:51] <seb128> I will investigate the libhandy depends on glade one
[14:51] <Laney> or like make them not timing sensitive :(
[14:52] <seb128> tjaalton, if that's what is needed...
[14:52] <tjaalton> kicked it again for now
[14:52] <seb128> thx
[14:53] <seb128> tiff/libdeflate is bug #1908502 assigned to oSoMoN 
[14:53] <ubot5> bug 1908502 in tiff (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libtiff5 dependency on libdeflate0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908502
[14:53] <oSoMoN> yeah, I had missed that one but will take care of it
[14:54] <seb128> thx
[14:55] <seb128> qpdf/pikepdf I will poke at this one
[14:55] <oSoMoN> I'm working on gettext, too
[14:56] <seb128> thx
[14:56] <seb128> tkamppeter, hplip depends on net-snmp sounds like one for you
[14:56] <seb128> is anyone wanting to poke at cairo issues?
[14:57] <tkamppeter> seb128, what happened to HPLIP, I did not upload it for longer time?
[14:57] <seb128> tkamppeter, cups depends qpdf also for you
[14:57] <seb128> tkamppeter, unsure, that's to investigate
[14:57] <tkamppeter> CUPS has passed now, if it was blocking QPDF.
[14:58] <seb128> ah, sorry, I misread the hints, it just needs it to migrate
[14:58] <seb128> it's not a component mismatch
[14:58] <seb128> tkamppeter, so probably nothing to do for you, sorry for the noise
[14:59] <Laney> it's a net-snmp transition, I think sergiodj was handling it
[14:59] <seb128> right
[14:59] <seb128> other things are new or flaky
[14:59] <seb128> let's move on, we can pick up remaining items next week if needed
[14:59] <seb128> #topic AOB
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[14:59] <seb128> any other topic?
[15:00]  * Laney shuffles feet
[15:01] <seb128> seems not
[15:01] <seb128> thanks desktoppers!
[15:01] <didrocks999> not for me
[15:01] <didrocks999> thanks seb128 
[15:01] <luna_> sorry missed the meeting today, watching CES Online 2021 and having a bit of a cold 
[15:01] <kenvandine> thanks
[15:01] <luna_> need to read the log later 
[15:01] <hellsworth>  thanks
[15:01] <seb128> #endmeeting
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[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 12 15:01:29 2021 UTC.  
[15:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-01-12-14.30.moin.txt
[15:01] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[15:01] <Laney> luna_: read a book instead, it'll be a better use of your time ;-)
[15:02] <Trevinho> ahah
[15:02] <luna_> Laney: heh guess i have some books i haven't read yet
[15:02] <luna_> :D
[15:02] <Trevinho> seb128: on that bug I've replied, there's a fix proposed upstream. so will handle that
[15:02] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks!
[15:05] <luna_> got accepted as a Swedish translator again last week by GunnarHj and the gang so been accepting and reviewing translations and doing some small ones for Swedish, but having a cold so have not had much energy 
[15:05] <luna_> but still some months until Hirsute releases
[15:06] <seb128> right, still having time before the release
[15:06] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm lacking context on bug #1908502 as I wasn't there at last week's meeting. Was a course of action agreed? Do we simply want to disable deflate support in 4.2.0 ? File a MIR ?
[15:06] <ubot5> bug 1908502 in tiff (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libtiff5 dependency on libdeflate0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908502
[15:08] <Trevinho> tjaalton: you needed something else in https://salsa.debian.org/sssd-team/sssd/-/merge_requests/11 or can we merge it?
[15:08] <luna_> read the log now, and will try to be here in time next week
[15:08] <Laney> oSoMoN: "Speed improvements in the 35%-50% range can be expected when libdeflate is used. Compression level up to 12 is now supported (capped to 9 when zlib is used). Still requires zlib for situations where libdeflate cannot be used (that is for scanline access, since libdeflate has no streaming mode)"
[15:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, I was not around for the meeting either but it does sound like libdeflate needs a MIR
[15:09] <Laney> sounds worthwhile to try to keep that to me
[15:09] <Laney> wdyt?
[15:10] <oSoMoN> if the claim is true, definitely
[15:21] <tjaalton> Trevinho: oh right
[15:21] <tjaalton> merged
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[15:32] <didrocks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:32] <didrocks> seb128: Laney: any idea why -bad is tried to be pulled in main? rygel added a dep to it it seems?
[15:33] <didrocks> (by -editing-services)
[15:36] <Laney> looks like it
[15:38] <didrocks> seems like seb128 was syncing it and working on it on Debian side, let’s wait for him to be back :)
[15:39] <Laney> yeah from the changelog, looks like the idea was to not have this on ubuntu
[15:39] <didrocks> right
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks, I'm around, I need to check why it's not working
[15:50] <didrocks> ack, keep me posted
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, Laney, it's the same issue than the proposed migration I mentioned during the meeting and asked on #debian-gnome about a bit earlier
[16:01] <Laney> seb128: I see, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/rygel/-/commit/6ad5c0cd51a2dcece1da9b257d85e812301bf296
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, yeah, bi_gon also replied on #debian-gnome
[16:20] <Laney> can't make this bloomin test fail on my pi any more
[16:20] <Laney> trying to make it stressed
[16:29] <seb128> hum, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/autopilot-gtk/hirsute/armhf
[16:29] <seb128> Failed to write 'change' to '/sys/devices/virtual/misc/uinput/uevent': Permission denied
[16:29] <seb128> dpkg: error processing package python3-autopilot (--configure):
[16:29] <seb128> what's going on there?
[16:33] <Laney> no idea
[17:00] <Laney> some kernel / lxd change or interaction?!
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