[01:45] gnrp: I didn't see anything unusual in powertop. Running the same stuff as in windows - a browser and a terminal. But in windows the battery lasts like 6 hours maybe, linux is more like 2 [01:48] gnrp: Interesting.. suspending without closing the lid seems OK. [01:48] I wonder why [02:08] indyZ: Laptop Mode Tools have always worked for me [02:12] Some of my laptops are inconsistent with suspending and/or closing the lid, but I assume it's XFCE being XFCE [02:13] For example my Lenovo N22 works fine but almost always after waking up it says "This session is locked" and it doesn't even prompt me for entering my password [02:14] Then I just switch to tty1 and unlock the session manually [02:14] My new ASUS ROG can freeze when I close the lid, so I just try not to. [02:37] IndyZ that sounds like a voltage issue. [02:38] When that happens, one remedy is to remove the battery from the laptop, then, wait about an hour and then re-insert the battery. Some batterys have memories in them. [02:40] As a professional, I don't recommend playing with those issues. It is involved. [02:43] If at the last resort, save all of your data and re-install the OS. [02:44] It also may be that your OS you install is not compatible with your laptop. [02:44] Drivers are always an issue. [02:48] In some of these case I use VBOX Virtual Box. [02:48] Retrograde your OS with VBOX. [02:49] Keep in mind that the latest technology is not the best. It is most likely : experimental. [02:50] In other words: BETA [02:52] Using VBOX installation of drivers is better than using the actual drivers. [02:53] Using the actual drivers is safer in VBOX because VBOX protects your system. [02:56] Always BAckup BAckup <-------------< your files. === FutureShock is now known as Desertdew [06:57] indyZ: Hm, so it does not seem to be the suspend, but the actual lid-closing action that causes this. When you switch off the screen locking when suspending, what happens? [06:58] indyZ: Hu? Did you really run the powertop that I mean? powertop should give you recommendations on what causes too many wakeups and what commands you can do to improve battery life [06:58] indyZ: What nvidia GPU driver do you use? [07:34] gnrp: Maybe I don't know how to use powertop properly. I ran it, it's like "top" but with some power usage columns. I don't see any recommendations or commands or anything. [07:34] gnrp: I have an Intel GPU, so none, I assume [07:36] * indyZ disables "Lock screen with system sleep" [07:36] "Xfce Poewr Manager is not configured to handle laptop lid events. Your computer may not be locked when you close the lid." [07:37] gnrp: How do I switch off screen locking when suspending? I went to the screen saver lock screen settings, but I saw that message. [07:37] confusing [07:38] indyZ: I thought you would have an NV gpu which you could switch with an Intel? [07:38] Curly: btw this is basically a fresh install of xubuntu on a relatiely new thinkpad. I thought thinkpads generally had good linux support. [07:38] gnrp: Maybe I do, but I don't see it in lshw [07:38] they do, indeed. [07:39] ah, sorry, no, misunderstood what you wrote earlier [07:39] when you start powertop, it will give you suggestions on what you can do to improve power consumption, certain commands, etc. [07:39] the screen saver can be switched off in the power management under the system tab, there's a part "security" or so [07:40] indyZ: Thinkpads generally are well-supported, but the newer the hardware is, the more trouble there can be. And some manual tweaking is always required [07:41] This is what powertop says before switching to full screen mode: https://dpaste.com/CXGD4HAUY [07:41] (Yes, the computer is named after a spice girl) [07:41] ah, system tab. "Lock screen when system is going to sleep" is not checked. [07:41] Hmm [07:42] When I first installed xubuntu to this machine, closing the laptop just turned off the screen. didn't suspend at all. so I set it to suspend, in power manager, and now it's doing this thing with the keyboard and moues not working in X after resume. [07:52] Interesting.. if I have "Lock screen when system is going to sleep," it shows the lock screen if I manually suspend and resume. But If I suspend by closing the laptop lid, when I open it, it doesn't show a lock screen. Just the desktop with the unresponsive keyboard and mouse clicking. [08:07] is it possible to show the exact time instead of only "today" in the changed column of thunar? [08:26] gnrp: I guess this may be related to the lid closing/resume issue: The system is running from a USB drive (full install) [08:31] kotek14: I'm reading about Laptop Mode Tools. Thanks! [10:07] tete_, yes [10:08] DarkTrick, how? [10:08] tete_, Menu -> Edit -> Preferences -> Display [10:08] tete_, Format (in the bottom) [10:08] tete_, you can even set a custom format [10:09] oh nice, thanks! [10:09] 👍️ [15:26] DarkTrick what are you using for an IRC Client? [15:26] Curly, HexChat [15:26] I am using IRSSI. [15:26] Curly, why? [15:27] I saw that little icon. [15:27] 👍️ [15:27] you mean "👍️" ? [15:27] ah [15:27] What is that? [15:27] That's not related to the client [15:27] it's not rendered? [15:28] You use rendering software? [15:28] things get scrambled. Lets clear things up. [15:28] I have done lots of POV Ray Trace in the past. [15:29] It's a Unicode (?) / utf-8 (?) character for "thumbs up" [15:29] OK. Thanks for the clarification. [15:29] I write it through Japanese input [15:30] If you're interested, you can also use `GNOME Characters` [15:30] That will let you search and copy those icons [15:30] 👍️✔️✅😅💦🕺 [15:30] I just installed for Xubuntu FontForge Have you used it? [15:31] never heard of it [15:31] Check it out. [15:32] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1058055/how-do-i-install-fontforge-on-kubuntu-18-04 [15:32] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=fontforge [15:33] Curly, why exactly would is that interesting? :) [15:34] I am a Technical Writer. I am also an IT Pro. I am a Technical Consultant. [15:37] DarkTrick fonts are cool. I wrote a lot of ASCII graphics in older BASIC Programming Language. [15:39] ASCII Graphics are still used today. [15:39] Curly, hm... sure... but only fun in languages with around 52 - 128 characters (like English) [15:39] Check this out: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ascii+graphics+table&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.instructables.com%2FF5P%2FM9I5%2FF4ULN87C%2FF5PM9I5F4ULN87C.RECT2100.jpg [15:39] sure, looks nice [15:45] Xubuntu has a lot of nice features. I first started my Linux use with old Red Hat 6. That was about 20 years ago or more. [15:50] That was on #Dalnet irc [15:50] Is it normal for Thunar to have a noisy stdout? [15:51] It spams the console with messages about thunar-volman and usbs [15:53] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/thunar-vs-nautilus-two-lightweight-file-managers-for-linux/ [15:54] is support for 32-bit processors ending at 18.04? I see there's no 32-bit link for 20.04. Looked around for some indication on the page, but found none. [16:01] Most users use 64 bit machines. 32 bit will always be around. [16:01] Support for 32 bit will be around. [16:55] xu-irc97w: 32 bit support ended a while ago, from 20.04 onward it's 64 bit iso's only [16:55] if you need 32 bit you need to switch to debian [16:55] they still support the 32 bit architecture [16:57] buntu 18.04 was the last LTS release to support 32 bit [17:15] Thank you! [17:17] To be honest, BSD is the closest Kernel to UNIX. Linux or Ubuntu is the next runner-up. [17:17] I found that Xubuntu is a great installation. [17:18] Debian is a different OS. [17:19] The command line is different. [17:21] Quite frankly, it all depends upon what your intentions or use of the OS is. [17:23] You can use VMWare or VBOX Virtual Box, it also depends upon what your strategy and use of it is. [17:27] It is OK to be concerned about the 32/64 bit machine, but the overall issue is what are you going to do with it? [17:28] Lots of programmers are using: "Backwards Compatible" distros. [17:29] There is an excellent example. [17:30] Pirch 98 IRC IRC/Client/Server which is not supported, is way beyond its days. [17:31] PIRCH 98 uses TDCC protocol. [17:33] Turbo Client to Client Protocol [17:35] https://www.malavida.com/en/soft/pirch/ [17:59] The DCC is Direct Client To Client Protocol. [18:00] Honestly, I don't think anyone here on this channel has use irc DCC Send. [18:01] !discuss [18:01] Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [18:01] Thanks Ubuottu. [18:02] Good Boy! [18:04] Ubottu What time is it? [18:04] Curly: mind to take the chit-chat to offtopic? [18:06] Greets to Maik. No-one is asking questions and you are not chit-chatting with the no-ones. Why do you take the offensive? [18:06] channel rules dude [18:07] it's a support channel, keep the other stuff out of it [18:08] you've been pointed at the other channels and been asked kindly which should be enough [18:08] I didn't know that I was a "Dude" Also Most of my students where I teach have asked questions that was and seemed out of character but in the long run, it meant something to them. [18:08] i see... another troll then [18:08] bye [18:09] Supporting a channel is also a personal thing. Many of the people that come are here are human beings. They want or hope to be treated such. [18:10] Maik how would you feel if you were called a "troll"? [18:10] You don't know what "bye" means. [18:11] Bye means " Be With Ye " [18:27] Curly: please stop [18:41] Hggdh, I don't believe I have had the pleasure of speaking with you. Good day to you. [18:42] Curly, shhhh, make a support question or go to #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-discuss [18:45] Coconut greets! Question? How large of a hard drive will Xubuntu support and can it be supported? [18:46] Also take into consideration the BIOS of the Drive. [18:46] Curly, can probably as big as you want as long as the file system supports such size. [22:19] does this mean that one of my hds is dead right? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/84UxvKFs/20210112_191659.jpg [22:20] GridCube: Seems so [22:21] Poop [22:21] GridCube: Check out the smart values [22:21] I cant login, when i press any key it starts spewing this error [22:29] oh well === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [22:30] removed one of the drives from my pc and it seems like it was the one causing the problem === andrzejr_ is now known as andrzejr