[01:45] <indyZ> gnrp: I didn't see anything unusual in powertop. Running the same stuff as in windows - a browser and a terminal. But in windows the battery lasts like 6 hours maybe, linux is more like 2
[01:48] <indyZ> gnrp: Interesting.. suspending without closing the lid seems OK.
[01:48] <indyZ> I wonder why
[02:08] <kotek14> indyZ: Laptop Mode Tools have always worked for me
[02:12] <kotek14> Some of my laptops are inconsistent with suspending and/or closing the lid, but I assume it's XFCE being XFCE
[02:13] <kotek14> For example my Lenovo N22 works fine but almost always after waking up it says "This session is locked" and it doesn't even prompt me for entering my password
[02:14] <kotek14> Then I just switch to tty1 and unlock the session manually
[02:14] <kotek14> My new ASUS ROG can freeze when I close the lid, so I just try not to.
[02:37] <Curly> IndyZ  that sounds like a voltage issue.
[02:38] <Curly> When that happens, one remedy is to remove the battery from the laptop, then, wait about an hour and then re-insert the battery. Some batterys have memories in them.
[02:40] <Curly> As a professional, I don't recommend playing with those issues. It is involved.
[02:43] <Curly> If at the last resort, save all of your data and re-install the OS.
[02:44] <Curly> It also may be that your OS you install is not compatible with your laptop.
[02:44] <Curly> Drivers are always an issue.
[02:48] <Curly> In some of these case I use  VBOX  Virtual Box.
[02:48] <Curly> Retrograde your OS with VBOX.
[02:49] <Curly> Keep in mind that the latest technology is not the best. It is most likely : experimental.
[02:50] <Curly> In other words:  BETA
[02:52] <Curly> Using VBOX installation of drivers is better than using the actual drivers.
[02:53] <Curly> Using the actual drivers is safer in VBOX because VBOX protects your system.
[02:56] <Curly> Always  BAckup   BAckup <-------------<  your files.
[06:57] <gnrp> indyZ: Hm, so it does not seem to be the suspend, but the actual lid-closing action that causes this. When you switch off the screen locking when suspending, what happens?
[06:58] <gnrp> indyZ: Hu? Did you really run the powertop that I mean? powertop should give you recommendations on what causes too many wakeups and what commands you can do to improve battery life
[06:58] <gnrp> indyZ: What nvidia GPU driver do you use?
[07:34] <indyZ> gnrp: Maybe I don't know how to use powertop properly. I ran it, it's like "top" but with some power usage columns. I don't see any recommendations or commands or anything.
[07:34] <indyZ> gnrp: I have an Intel GPU, so none, I assume
[07:36]  * indyZ disables "Lock screen with system sleep"
[07:36] <indyZ> "Xfce Poewr Manager is not configured to handle laptop lid events. Your computer may not be locked when you close the lid."
[07:37] <indyZ> gnrp: How do I switch off screen locking when suspending? I went to the screen saver lock screen settings, but I saw that message.
[07:37] <indyZ> confusing
[07:38] <gnrp> indyZ: I thought you would have an NV gpu which you could switch with an Intel?
[07:38] <indyZ> Curly: btw this is basically a fresh install of xubuntu on a relatiely new thinkpad. I thought thinkpads generally had good linux support.
[07:38] <indyZ> gnrp: Maybe I do, but I don't see it in lshw
[07:38] <gnrp> they do, indeed.
[07:39] <gnrp> ah, sorry, no, misunderstood what you wrote earlier
[07:39] <gnrp> when you start powertop, it will give you suggestions on what you can do to improve power consumption, certain commands, etc.
[07:39] <gnrp> the screen saver can be switched off in the power management under the system tab, there's a part "security" or so
[07:40] <gnrp> indyZ: Thinkpads generally are well-supported, but the newer the hardware is, the more trouble there can be. And some manual tweaking is always required
[07:41] <indyZ> This is what powertop says before switching to full screen mode: https://dpaste.com/CXGD4HAUY
[07:41] <indyZ> (Yes, the computer is named after a spice girl)
[07:41] <indyZ> ah, system tab. "Lock screen when system is going to sleep" is not checked.
[07:41] <indyZ> Hmm
[07:42] <indyZ> When I first installed xubuntu to this machine, closing the laptop just turned off the screen. didn't suspend at all. so I set it to suspend, in power manager, and now it's doing this thing with the keyboard and moues not working in X after resume.
[07:52] <indyZ> Interesting.. if I have "Lock screen when system is going to sleep," it shows the lock screen if I manually suspend and resume. But If I suspend by closing the laptop lid, when I open it, it doesn't show a lock screen. Just the desktop with the unresponsive keyboard and mouse clicking.
[08:07] <tete_> is it possible to show the exact time instead of only "today" in the changed column of thunar?
[08:26] <indyZ> gnrp: I guess this may be related to the lid closing/resume issue: The system is running from a USB drive (full install)
[08:31] <indyZ> kotek14: I'm reading about Laptop Mode Tools. Thanks!
[10:07] <DarkTrick> tete_, yes
[10:08] <tete_> DarkTrick, how?
[10:08] <DarkTrick> tete_, Menu -> Edit -> Preferences -> Display
[10:08] <DarkTrick> tete_, Format (in the bottom)
[10:08] <DarkTrick> tete_, you can even set a custom format
[10:09] <tete_> oh nice, thanks!
[10:09] <DarkTrick> 👍️
[15:26] <Curly> DarkTrick what are you using for an IRC Client?
[15:26] <DarkTrick> Curly, HexChat
[15:26] <Curly> I am using IRSSI.
[15:26] <DarkTrick> Curly, why?
[15:27] <Curly> I saw that little icon.
[15:27] <Curly>  👍️
[15:27] <DarkTrick> you mean "👍️" ?
[15:27] <DarkTrick> ah
[15:27] <Curly> What is that?
[15:27] <DarkTrick> That's not related to the client
[15:27] <DarkTrick> it's not rendered?
[15:28] <Curly> You use rendering software?
[15:28] <DarkTrick> things get scrambled. Lets clear things up.
[15:28] <Curly> I have done lots of POV  Ray Trace in the past.
[15:29] <DarkTrick> It's a Unicode (?) / utf-8 (?) character for "thumbs up"
[15:29] <Curly> OK. Thanks for the clarification.
[15:29] <DarkTrick> I write it through Japanese input
[15:30] <DarkTrick> If you're interested, you can also use `GNOME Characters`
[15:30] <DarkTrick> That will let you search and copy those icons
[15:30] <DarkTrick> 👍️✔️✅😅💦🕺
[15:30] <Curly> I just installed for Xubuntu    FontForge  Have you used it?
[15:31] <DarkTrick> never heard of it
[15:31] <Curly> Check it out.
[15:32] <Curly> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1058055/how-do-i-install-fontforge-on-kubuntu-18-04
[15:32] <Curly> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=fontforge
[15:33] <DarkTrick> Curly, why exactly would is that interesting? :)
[15:34] <Curly> I am a Technical Writer. I am also an IT Pro. I am a Technical Consultant.
[15:37] <Curly> DarkTrick fonts are cool. I wrote a lot of ASCII graphics in older BASIC Programming Language.
[15:39] <Curly> ASCII Graphics are still used today.
[15:39] <DarkTrick> Curly, hm... sure... but only fun in languages with around 52 - 128 characters (like English)
[15:39] <Curly> Check this out:   https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ascii+graphics+table&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.instructables.com%2FF5P%2FM9I5%2FF4ULN87C%2FF5PM9I5F4ULN87C.RECT2100.jpg
[15:39] <DarkTrick> sure, looks nice
[15:45] <Curly> Xubuntu has a lot of nice features. I first started my Linux use with old Red Hat 6. That was about 20 years ago or more.
[15:50] <Curly> That was on #Dalnet irc
[15:50] <pikapika> Is it normal for Thunar to have a noisy stdout?
[15:51] <pikapika> It spams the console with messages about thunar-volman and usbs
[15:53] <Curly> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/thunar-vs-nautilus-two-lightweight-file-managers-for-linux/
[15:54] <xu-irc97w> is support for 32-bit processors ending at 18.04? I see there's no 32-bit link for 20.04. Looked around for some indication on the page, but found none.
[16:01] <Curly> Most users use 64 bit machines. 32 bit will always be around.
[16:01] <Curly> Support for 32 bit will be around.
[16:55] <Maik> xu-irc97w: 32 bit support ended a while ago, from 20.04 onward it's 64 bit iso's only
[16:55] <Maik> if you need 32 bit you need to switch to debian
[16:55] <Maik> they still support the 32 bit architecture
[16:57] <Maik> buntu 18.04 was the last LTS release to support 32 bit
[17:15] <xu-irc97w> Thank you!
[17:17] <Curly> To be honest, BSD is the closest Kernel to UNIX. Linux or Ubuntu is the next runner-up.
[17:17] <Curly> I found that Xubuntu is a great installation.
[17:18] <Curly> Debian is a different OS.
[17:19] <Curly> The command line is different.
[17:21] <Curly> Quite frankly, it all depends upon what your intentions or use of the OS is.
[17:23] <Curly> You can use VMWare or VBOX Virtual Box, it also depends upon what your strategy and use of it is.
[17:27] <Curly> It is OK to be concerned about the 32/64 bit machine, but the overall issue is what are you going to do with it?
[17:28] <Curly> Lots of programmers are using:  "Backwards Compatible" distros.
[17:29] <Curly> There is an excellent example.
[17:30] <Curly> Pirch 98  IRC IRC/Client/Server which is not supported, is way beyond its days.
[17:31] <Curly> PIRCH 98 uses  TDCC protocol.
[17:33] <Curly> Turbo Client to Client Protocol
[17:35] <Curly> https://www.malavida.com/en/soft/pirch/
[17:59] <Curly> The DCC is Direct Client To Client Protocol.
[18:00] <Curly> Honestly, I don't think anyone here on this channel has use irc DCC Send.
[18:01] <Maik> !discuss
[18:01] <Curly> Thanks Ubuottu.
[18:02] <Curly> Good Boy!
[18:04] <Curly> Ubottu What time is it?
[18:04] <Maik> Curly: mind to take the chit-chat to offtopic?
[18:06] <Curly> Greets to Maik. No-one is asking questions and you are not chit-chatting with the no-ones. Why do you take the offensive?
[18:06] <Maik> channel rules dude
[18:07] <Maik> it's a support channel, keep the other stuff out of it
[18:08] <Maik> you've been pointed at the other channels and been asked kindly which should be enough
[18:08] <Curly> I didn't know that I was a "Dude" Also Most of my students where I teach have asked questions that was and seemed out of character but in the long run, it meant something to them.
[18:08] <Maik> i see... another troll then
[18:08] <Maik> bye
[18:09] <Curly> Supporting a channel is also a personal thing. Many of the people that come are here are human beings. They want or hope to be treated such.
[18:10] <Curly> Maik how would you feel if you were called a "troll"?
[18:10] <Curly> You don't know what "bye" means.
[18:11] <Curly> Bye means    "  Be With Ye  "
[18:27] <hggdh> Curly: please stop
[18:41] <Curly> Hggdh, I don't believe I have had the pleasure of speaking with you. Good day to you.
[18:42] <coconut> Curly, shhhh, make a support question or go to #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-discuss
[18:45] <Curly> Coconut greets!  Question? How large of a hard drive will Xubuntu support and can it be supported?
[18:46] <Curly> Also take into consideration the BIOS of the Drive.
[18:46] <coconut> Curly, can probably as big as you want as long as the file system supports such size.
[22:19] <GridCube> does this mean that one of my hds is dead right?  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/84UxvKFs/20210112_191659.jpg
[22:20] <gnrp> GridCube: Seems so
[22:21] <GridCube> Poop
[22:21] <gnrp> GridCube: Check out the smart values
[22:21] <GridCube> I cant login, when i press any key it starts spewing this error
[22:29] <GridCube_> oh well
[22:30] <GridCube> removed one of the drives from my pc and it seems like it was the one causing the problem