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 good evening. … after installing anbox ubuntu-phone is not booting. Is there anything to do?
 uh did you.....flash a boot img?
 if yes just run it through the installer, you won't lose your data if you don't select the wipe option
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 @PauloAndrePMP [good evening. … after installing anbox ubuntu-phone is not booting. Is there anyt …], Can confirm that happened to me a few times as well
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 Welcome
 Thanks! I’m going to try to get involved in helping with dev for the OnePlus 6T, which is the phone I have. And after anywhere else I can.
 @afast [Thanks! I’m going to try to get involved in helping with dev for the OnePlus 6T, …], Let me know if you get it working. Thanks!
 @Braillynn [Welcome], We used to welcome every time but it got quite intrusive and expanded the number of messages so now our practice is not to do it
 @afast [Thanks! I’m going to try to get involved in helping with dev for the OnePlus 6T, …], 👍
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 @xyn_dev [They do not exist.], I am. Usin the one plus 2 and the sound doesn't work wiuthout plugging a set of headphones.
 I am using the Oneplus 2 for running Ubuntu touch but sound doesn't work  at all without plugging in headphones also can't hear any ringtones or notification sounds l, it shows up that they're being selected and probably are playing but no sound.
 Another issue is that the camera app doesn't work, any work being done on that!!
 😊😊😊👍👍
 feels like those are known non-trivial bugs
 Is there any indication as to when these could be fixed.
 Other than that it works pretty well.
 Evrytherthing else
 when someone with the device has the time to fix them, i guess
 😊😊👍
 camera maybe sooner, as i think op2 just needs the gst-droid camera stuff instead.
 Pretty faster than andriod
 On oneplus 2 on same hardware
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[19:32] <ubptgbot> <Nico van Strien> Has anybody got a Xiaomi mi A2 running with Ubuntu touch, I'm trying real with the ubports software but I cannot make it work. Tried on windows(two different PC's) and a Ubuntu laptop but still nothing it stops when I put it in fastboot!
[19:33] <ubptgbot> <Nico van Strien> [Edit] Has anybody got a Xiaomi mi A2 running with Ubuntu touch, I'm trying real hard with the ubports software but I cannot make it work. Tried on windows(two different PC's) and a Ubuntu laptop but still nothing it stops when I put it in fastboot!
 @Nico van Strien [Has anybody got a Xiaomi mi A2 running with Ubuntu touch, I'm trying real hard w …], Have you unlocked bootloader and crtical before?
[19:52] <ubptgbot> <Nico van Strien> @ItsMeShouko [Have you unlocked bootloader and crtical before?], I guess not, how does one do that?
 Eh ... I tried now to put the native port on my device, I hoped that along with the new update some bugs would disappear ... and the bugs not only did not disappear, but even increased by 1 ...  … - Libertina does not work (when container creation is almost complete, the installer application crashes, and the container is perma
[19:57] <ubptgbot> nently in the "install" status)  … - The circle on the block did not work …  - and now the phone has died of vibration ... that is, in the place where there was vibration in the GSI version, there is generally silence in the native port ...  … The only fix I got was that the screen stopped flickering (and in GSI, the screen liked to flicker) .....
[19:57] <ubptgbot>  … So sad because of this ... Not even so ... I'll start sweating with my eyes now
 [Edit] Eh ... I tried now to put the native port on my device, I hoped that along with the new update some bugs would disappear ... and the bugs not only did not disappear, but even increased by 1 ...  … - Libertina does not work (when container creation is almost complete, the settings application crashes, and the container is
[19:58] <ubptgbot>  permanently in the "install" status)  … - The circle on the block did not work …  - and now the phone has died of vibration ... that is, in the place where there was vibration in the GSI version, there is generally silence in the native port ...  … The only fix I got was that the screen stopped flickering (and in GSI, the screen liked to flicker)
[19:58] <ubptgbot> .....  … So sad because of this ... Not even so ... I'll start sweating with my eyes now
 what device?
 @dohbee [what device?], Redmi 7
 ok, no idea
 Although Libertina is generally some kind of mystery ... In theory, this is a native port ... So it should work ... But it feels like it does not work everywhere and in general is, albeit a promising, but useless piece of code ...
 libertine is extremely experimental still
 @dohbee [libertine is extremely experimental still], Yes, I would not call it "experimental" .... I would call it "The new alpha function that will be in the future, but for now it will just poke around in the menu and will annoy that it is there but does not work"  … (Although I admit it honestly, I generally consider UT to be
[20:13] <ubptgbot>  one big "Ubuntu Touch Alpha Beta 15" because there is one bug after another like a machine gun burst)
 well it certainly works better on other devices. don't blame UT for all the issues on your specific device not having been fixed by the maintianer yet
 [Edit] well it certainly works better on other devices. don't blame UT for all the issues on your specific device not having been fixed by the maintainer yet
 @dohbee [well it certainly works better on other devices. don't blame UT for all the issu …], No, I don’t blame UT, I know this is a porting problem. Just judging by the reviews and the comparison between GSI Android and UT in android, oddly enough, it didn’t come to the point that there is some function, but it’s just dead ...
[20:18] <ubptgbot>  And in UT I often meet such moments, although I’m already used to them)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer for vibration, it's known issue - will be fixed once https://github.com/ubports/hfd-service/pull/12 is merged
 @NotKit [@im_not_dead_seiwer for vibration, it's known issue - will be fixed once https:/ …], That is, now, as I understand it, I can only wait?
 probably yes. You can attempt to include the library into image and install debs from PR, but first part makes it non-trivial
 @NotKit [probably yes. You can attempt to include the library into image and install debs …], Y ... yes .... I think I can't do this .... The truth remains how vibration worked with GSI .... Maybe it's the kernel, after all, in my opinion, when the kernel was patched (so that there would be fewer bugs in GSI and Anbox sew in) t
[20:26] <ubptgbot> hen the vibration revived
 GSI included that change
 [Edit] GSI included that change, it's just not upstreamed
 Hello cpl and ladies...if you are seriously seeking like-minded guy I am also seeking you ...g u i t a r j u n g l e at ji male ;) on h out ... or teli gram beingZen ..No pvt message can't read
 @NotKit [GSI included that change, it's just not upstreamed], Didn't think Erfan's GSI Installer would include such changes
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Y ... yes .... I think I can't do this .... The truth remains how vibration work …], This is the fix: https://github.com/ubports/hfd-service/pull/12 … Unfortunately not ready for upstream yet it seems
 @calebccff [This is the fix: https://github.com/ubports/hfd-service/pull/12 … Unfortunately no …], Hope that for the global and most important OTA 16 community, the vibration problem will be fixed at halium9
 @UniversalSuperBox [maaan, if only Launchpad made sense. "Affects multiple projects" is really nice.], Someone should fork Launchpad (runs for cover) ;)
 Having two Launchpad's doesn't solve the stated issue :P
 @UniversalSuperBox [Having two Launchpad's doesn't solve the stated issue :P], true that.  Was just imagining something combining the best features of Gitlab and Launchpad - but I was also inferring that my proposed "solution" creates massive problems in and of itself.
[22:15] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> What are everyone’s thoughts on Ubuntu being the literal third party alternative to Apple and Google; using the momentum of big tech censorship to propel Ubuntu Touch into a more mainstream option?
[22:16] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> In my opinion...the biggest drawback is the lack of quality apps available.
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 See previous discussion: https://t.me/ubports/316455
 i don't think you can complain about "big tech censorship" (it's not censorship anyway), and then also complain about the lack of apps available from big tech on the alternate platforms :0
 [Edit] i don't think you can complain about "big tech censorship" (it's not censorship anyway), and then also complain about the lack of apps available from big tech on the alternate platforms :)
[22:18] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @dohbee [i don't think you can complain about "big tech censorship" (it's not censorship …], It was more an observation than a complaint.
 open source communities (including this one) and app stores (including ours) also have their own codes of conduct, content policies, etc…
[22:20] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @dohbee [i don't think you can complain about "big tech censorship" (it's not censorship …], And if big tech companies ban users because they may say something offensive...that’s censorship
[22:22] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @UniversalSuperBox [See previous discussion: https://t.me/ubports/316455], Why not?
 no. it is not censorship when you behave poorly in the bar, and the bouncer tosses you to the curb
 I have always like Linux and wanted to dabble in the development. When Ubuntu touch first came out I wanted to contribute but didn't have the time. Now I want it just to have an alternative. If only it means none of my data will be mined by big tech. I don't mind the terms.
 @Matt McClellan [Why not?], Given the current discourse around the subject, I'm pretty sure we're more strict than Twitter or Facebook on offensive content. I don't think we're the solution for people who want something that you describe.
[22:23] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Guess free speech isn’t permissible on open source platforms either?
 censorship is something the government does. consequences are what happen when you do things in violation of community standards
 it is not now, and never has been about "free speech"
 You can do whatever you want with Ubuntu Touch. You cannot release whatever you want in the store, or say whatever you want in our community groups.
 @afast [I have always like Linux and wanted to dabble in the development. When Ubuntu to …], you are at the good place then :)
 This is the difference between the software, the services, and the people running both of them.
 [Edit] This is the difference between the software, the services, and the people creating both of them.
 @afast [I have always like Linux and wanted to dabble in the development. When Ubuntu to …], Welcome. Glad you want to help. However, "big tech" gets data in ways other than you running Android/iOS or their app on Android/iOS, and running something else won't necessarily protect you from that.
 Ubuntu Touch does have application level confinement though (meaning one app can't read data from another, without you explicitly sharing the data to the app via content hub)
[22:26] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> So if a user created a Parler app...this community would not permit its existence on the open store?
 correct
[22:26] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Why not?
 Practically, so we don't get banned from our hosting providers.
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Interesting
 basically for the same reasons they got banned everywhere else
 https://open-store.io/submit
 Hello everyone, as you saw, Whatsapp is going to change its terms of use and Elon Musk tweeted about it, meaning *a lot* of people are now joining Signal. We're happy to provide Axolotl as an unofficial client for Ubuntu Touch, however, we can't follow the speed upstream is refactoring things. If you want to help, now is a good time to
[22:27] <ubptgbot> shout at Axolotl-dev group in Telegram. Bonus point if you know Go or VueJS ;)
 @thankchu [Another issue is that the camera app doesn't work, any work being done on that!!], If there is a forum thread for that device it would be a good idea to join it. Also volunteer to act as a tester
[22:29] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Can anyone really cite the specific reasons that Parler was banned from other hosting services?
 in simple terms "it is full of nazis"
[22:31] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @dohbee [in simple terms "it is full of nazis"], Lol. That’s a joke right?
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 it is rife with people calling for the murder of members of the US government, and they do nothing to moderate the content
 They were banned because their content moderation isn't good enough. This is how I'd summarize it
 @Stereofont [If there is a forum thread for that device it would be a good idea to join it. A …], OK thanks
 I'd rather we stay on topic for dev here. Not the right place to talk politics...
 @afast [I'd rather we stay on topic for dev here. Not the right place to talk politics.. …], +1
 @afast [I'd rather we stay on topic for dev here. Not the right place to talk politics.. …], +1
 Open source software is naturally political, and it's okay to stray into those topics as they apply.
 Indeed, people wouldn't think that we were going to be a "free speech haven" if open source was completely apolitical
[22:34] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @afast [I'd rather we stay on topic for dev here. Not the right place to talk politics.. …], My reasoning for questions relate to my desire to develop apps and draw people to Ubuntu.  But it would appear that only certain are welcome in this community.
[22:34] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @dohbee [it is rife with people calling for the murder of members of the US government, a …], All social media is rife with people calling for the murder of government officials.  Parler was singled out.
 @Matt McClellan [My reasoning for questions relate to my desire to develop apps and draw people t …], The point is that all are welcome but hatred and disrespect is not
[22:35] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @Stereofont [The point is that all are welcome but hatred and disrespect is not], Hatred and disrespect is a two way street....and is inherently unavoidable.
 Well then, it's really not our place to speak on behalf of Apple, Google, and Amazon. But we do have a pretty clean way to determine who is welcome... Everyone, as long as they abide by https://ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct. And we do forgive.
[22:36] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> On that note.  I’ll bow out of this one.  Not changing minds via this medium.
 @Matt McClellan [My reasoning for questions relate to my desire to develop apps and draw people t …], I won't say that the community here isn't welcoming, but moderation is a complex topic. I can tell you that as a core developer of the diaspora network. You can't imagine the things I saw on my own server.
 But UT isn't a social network so it isn't supposed to store any user content. So I'd say that you went very far if your app is being banned
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[23:01] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @flaburgan [But UT isn't a social network so it isn't supposed to store any user content. So …], I was told that a Parler app would be banned if created.
 @Matt McClellan [I was told that a Parler app would be banned if created.], If an app doesn't follow the ToS which imply "don't push anything illegal“ then yes it can possibly be banned. However note that: … - it would mean no moderation  … - the openstore isn't the only way to install or distribute an app, you are free to do whatever y
[23:04] <ubptgbot> ou want with your phone and this OS
 @Matt McClellan [I was told that a Parler app would be banned if created.], [Edit] If an app doesn't follow the ToS which imply "don't push anything illegal“ then yes it can possibly be banned fromthe openstore. However note that: … - it would mean no moderation is in place in the app … - the openstore isn't the only way to install or d
[23:05] <ubptgbot> istribute an app, you are free to do whatever you want with your phone and this OS
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[23:05] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @flaburgan [If an app doesn't follow the ToS which imply "don't push anything illegal“ then …], Understood.  I guess from UX standpoint...the openstore would the mirror of the AppStore.  And anyone transitioning from Apple or Google would natural navigate to the openstore for their replacements.
 Well... like Android (maybe not so much iOS) you can easily sideload your own apps on to UBPorts if it matters that much to you, or even roll your own app store - if you don't like open-store.io and the way it is moderated the alternative is there
 openstore is opensource; you are free to forke it and clone it.
 @Matt McClellan [Understood.  I guess from UX standpoint...the openstore would the mirror of the …], Yes, but the same way I recommend Android users to switch to f-droid instead of Google Play, you can tell them to use something else
[23:08] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Does pixel 3a work with ubports installer
[23:08] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Thanks for the advice y’all.  We may not all agree politically but I think our disdain for the tech giants keeps this rolling. I could be wrong.
 [Edit] Openstore is opensource; you are free to forke it and clone it.
 "too big to fail" is usually bad for someone, yeah
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 hello
 ubunto touch is a friend portuguese?
 boas andré. yes
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 @Matt McClellan [Thanks for the advice y’all.  We may not all agree politically but I think our d …], yeah pretty much, I think it's safe to say lots of people in the FOSS world agree that the big tech boys have too much control over our lives hence why there are so many FOSS alternatives to the services they provide
 I mean, how many different things are built atop the fediverse now? I can name at least 4 off the top of my head
 @jandremendesc [ubunto touch is a friend portuguese?], https://t.me/UBports_PT
 hey, thanks dalton
 the major selling point of the fediverse for many people is that you control everything about it (or at least, the person you have entrusted to admin your server), no one can shut you down or """censor""" you, and even if your server admin decides to do so you can either roll your own or hop to an instance that you trust not to do so
 not to mention other projects that arent really 'federated' but are still 'roll your own X equivalent'
 Yeah, that's kinda the point. Mastodon apps are okay on the OpenStore. An app specifically for a Mastodon site that promotes violence... probably not.
 Bad things happen on Signal and Telegram too, but that doesn't keep us from hosting Signal or Telegram apps.
 You have to really try to draw ire from one of the volunteers that runs these communities.
 It's a discussion that will no doubt continue for months.
 yeah and given what's happened recently in the news I bet it's going to be happening even more than normal (as though this conversation hasn't already happened 5000 times in every FOSS community ever)
 It's easiest to maintain this... You can do whatever you want with the Ubuntu Touch software and source code. Removing the Ubuntu trademark would be advised if you're redistributing it though. The licenses Canonical and us chose for the software ensure that.
 You cannot do whatever you want in the OpenStore or in our community. Both have their own rules and seek to uphold them fairly, but they're mainly run by volunteers with their own experiences and biases.
 Forward, correct, etc... if needed.
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