[11:31] <rgh> Noisemaker?
[11:32] <rgh> Non libre TyrellN6
[11:32] <rgh> Odin2 is sweet. Semi modular.
[11:33] <rgh> Surge (use vst3). Dunno if surge count as a subtractive synth
[14:53] <pkcbrandon_> im trying to enable intel turbo boost in studio controls but the option is greyed out and wont allow me to change it. pls help, im using to intel xeon x5675 cpus
[15:01] <oerheks> this howto might help, not sure it gives control in Ubuntu Studio .. https://blog.christophersmart.com/2017/02/08/manage-intel-turbo-boost-with-systemd/
[15:01] <sakrecoer[b]> thanks rgh ! :)
[15:05] <sakrecoer[b]> I'm a sucker for stuff like Odin2 where the UI emulates the gear i'm used too :') (/me is old fart) I hope it sounds as good as it looks...
[15:05] <sakrecoer[b]> gah, i knew i should have waited until work was over before looking those names up haha
[15:08] <pkcbrandon_> i tried that already and it did not work
[15:44] <OvenWerks> The xeon may not have Boost, or it may be turned of in the bios. If studio-controls has Boost settings greyed out, it means the control is not there to be set
[15:46] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: The control we use to turn boost on and off is set by the kernel. So if the bios shows a boost setting and the kernel does not. this would be something that the mainline kernal does not recognize at least in the version ubuntu is using right now.
[15:48] <pkcbrandon_> bios setting is turned on. so is the kernel something i can fix or does this mean i gotta wait?
[15:48] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: normally Boost in on by default unless turned off in bios. We control Boost because it is bad for low latency audio
[15:49] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: are you sure boost is not working?
[15:49] <OvenWerks> if you monitor cpu speed does it never reach beyond rated speed?
[15:50] <pkcbrandon_> i just assume it wasnt because the option in the studio controls was off and freyed out
[15:50] <pkcbrandon_> greyed out
[15:51] <OvenWerks> I would not rely on that. if it is truned on in bios, it is probably running as the cpu controls it's own speed in most cases
[15:51] <OvenWerks> As I said we are more concerned with turning it off than on.
[15:52] <pkcbrandon_> okay thanks. i do more video editing/rendering so what whould be best for me?
[15:53] <OvenWerks> I would want boost on for that
[15:53] <pkcbrandon_> my GPU is a nvidia quadro 4000
[15:56] <OvenWerks> pkcbrandon_: do you have cpufreq installed?
[15:56] <pkcbrandon_> yes
[15:57] <OvenWerks> if I look at cpufreq-info -c 0
[15:57] <OvenWerks> current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 3.60 GHz
[15:57] <OvenWerks> is with Boost on
[15:58] <OvenWerks> and current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 3.20 GHz
[15:58] <OvenWerks> with boost off
[15:59] <OvenWerks> my cpu is rated at 3.2G but boost allows upto 3.6G
[16:01] <OvenWerks> cpupower-gui may allow you to set max frequency higher too.
[16:08] <pkcbrandon_> thank you
[17:36] <wonko> does that all work the same way for AMD?
[17:36] <wonko> hardware limits: 2.20 GHz - 4.10 GHz
[17:36] <wonko> but I know it can go further than 4.1
[17:37] <OvenWerks> wonko: I do not know if controls shows anything meaningful for AMD.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> I also do not know if the kernel drivers for AMD work the same (I suspect not). I also think AMD allows the CPU much more control of CPU speed.
[17:39] <wonko> cpupower-gui and cpufreq-info all say 4.1 as the upper limit
[17:39] <wonko> hmm, so I need to watch cpu speed and run it hard to see what happens
[17:40] <OvenWerks> wonko: have you tried cpu-checker?
[17:42] <wonko> how do I use that? There is a package by that name but no command by that name
[17:43] <OvenWerks> I have never used it :)
[17:44] <wonko> oh, cpu-checker gets you kvm-ok
[17:44] <OvenWerks> Also use stress to load cpu cores
[17:45] <OvenWerks> Actually there are a bunch of stress related packages available some may be easier to use than stress.
[17:49] <wonko> I'm running a single thread test with sysbench and watching it with s-tui right now
[17:49] <wonko> it looks like it doesn't go past 4.1
[17:49] <wonko> like even a tiny little bit
[17:50] <OvenWerks> wonko: normally with a boost like setup if one core is stressed with thge others idle, that core will over speed.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> it may be that if your cpu is in performance mode, over speeding is turned off
[17:52] <wonko> you mean the govenor?
[17:52] <OvenWerks> yes
[17:52] <wonko> which one do I want?
[17:52] <wonko> ondemand?
[17:52] <OvenWerks> that is probably the only other one
[17:53] <OvenWerks> It may vary also by which kernel you use
[17:53] <wonko> with ondemand it still doesn't seem to go above 4.1
[17:55] <OvenWerks> it would be interesting to know what speeds and governors are available with the generic kernel and studio-controls not installed
[17:56] <OvenWerks> what driver does cpufreq say you have? Mine says intel_pstate
[17:56] <OvenWerks> I am guessing you have something different
[18:00] <OvenWerks> my son's AMD says driver: acpi-cpufreq
[18:00] <wonko> yeah, same here
[18:00] <OvenWerks> I think that is completely software based. I think that is why there is no over boost available
[18:03] <wonko> Hmmm
[18:03] <wonko> not super thrilled about that. :-D
[18:03] <OvenWerks> Yeah
[18:09] <wonko> Ok, so I'm running 5.8 which has the AMD CPPC stuff in it (which I do see, cores 4 and 10 are the fast ones and a single threaded sysbench will bounce between them.
[18:09] <wonko> but that doesn't seem to be enough to let it go past 4.1
[18:11] <wonko> Hmm, there is a much newer bios
[18:11] <wonko> I may way want to install that
[18:16] <OvenWerks> AMD has been slow at providing kernel modules to control cpu governing
[18:16] <OvenWerks> The only one available is the one you have
[18:22] <chip_luxury_ewa[> HI
[18:22] <chip_luxury_ewa[> whats up?
[18:27] <OvenWerks> wonko: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/pm/cpufreq.html#frequency-boost-support
[18:28] <OvenWerks> wonko: I know this is for an older kernel but shows that AMD should allows over speeding with the boost control.
[18:32] <OvenWerks> wonko: also read: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-New-CPUFreq-CPPC
[18:33] <OvenWerks> wonko it seems AMD is working on something. We await amd_cpufreq as a driver unless you want to roll your own kernel.
[18:35] <wonko> so, it looks like some bios options got tweaked (I did update the bios though while I was at it)
[18:35] <wonko> that auto-tuning bullshit seems to have been run (there was a stupid windows utility that could tweak that)
[18:35] <wonko> and it was locking the cpu to 4.1
[18:35] <wonko> I'm now hitting 4.3 easily
[18:35] <OvenWerks> usefull
[18:35] <wonko> it's so stupid
[18:36] <wonko> I like ASUS motherboards, but their utilities are all univerally garbage
[18:36] <wonko> *universally
[18:37] <wonko> Anyway, that was a fun little rabbit hole. :)
[18:38] <wonko> and I'm on performance
[18:38] <wonko> and hitting 4.3
[18:38] <wonko> so that's all good
[18:38] <wonko> hardware limits: 2.20 GHz - 3.80 GHz
[18:38] <wonko> that's ausing that the upper limit actually went down. :)
[18:39] <wonko> anyway, gotta run, bbiab
[21:24] <rgh> 徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット: if you wanna hear what Odin2 can do : https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-136-odin-2
[21:24] <rgh> tracks made with only Odin2 (no samples and such)
[21:24] <rgh> I didn't finish my entry
[21:31] <sakrecoer[b]> <rgh "I didn't finish my entry "> looks like you still have 19 days though
[21:32] <rgh> no the odin2 was a few months back
[21:32] <rgh> I currently don't make much music anyway
[21:32] <sakrecoer[b]> oh... the page has a HUGE 19 for "days left"
[21:32] <rgh> get your hardware setup becuase current OSC is HARDWARE only
[21:33] <rgh> but, only true synths, no romplers
[21:33] <rgh> or hardware emulations, that's allowed too fc
[21:33] <rgh> Dexed, or OBXD
[21:34] <rgh> real heros use this ofc https://github.com/linuxmao-org/VL1-emulator
[21:34] <sakrecoer[b]> in few months... until then i have to make to experience the software only condition for libre-musicians. (after that i will be too comfortable again)
[21:35] <sakrecoer[b]> * in few months... until then i have to experience the software only condition for libre-musicians. (after that i will be too comfortable again)
[21:35] <rgh> well, plenty of software to choose from
[21:35] <rgh> we are spoiled
[21:35] <sakrecoer[b]> https://archive.org/details/OSC136Odin2 (google page above for ppl who avoid googlepages)
[21:36] <rgh> ah, I couldn't find that one :-)
[21:37] <sakrecoer[b]> <rgh "real heros use this ofc https://"> omg!!!
[21:37] <sakrecoer[b]> you speak french rgh ?
[21:37] <rgh> non
[21:37] <rgh> je suis hollandaise
[21:37] <rgh> I probably got that wrong
[21:38] <sakrecoer[b]> that casio keeps going in and out and in to my life
[21:38] <rgh> I was given a broken one :-(
[21:38] <rgh> I used it as a display piece, hoping one day I could have it repaired
[21:39] <rgh> I sold most of my old hw
[21:39] <rgh> out of space, out of time
[21:39] <rgh> things change
[21:39] <rgh> also, this talks should be in cafe lol
[21:39] <rgh> any channel I'm in -> instant #RANDOM
[21:39] <sakrecoer[b]> yes, they do... that's all i know for sure in fact: that things change
[21:40] <sakrecoer[b]> <rgh "also, this talks should be in ca"> agreed :) let's take it there