[00:03] @By brian All rights reserved [Does pixel 3a work with ubports installer], Yes it should [01:07] Nope_5 was added by: Nope_5 [02:20] BUNBOY87 was added by: BUNBOY87 [02:20] Where's the best place to go for steps on backing up my current Android system and then installing UT? The install link on UT Wiki gives an error. [02:54] Hi @LoneRanger4, could you show me where the broken link is? [03:02] It's on the Ubuntu websites, so nevermind. When I enable my script blocker for the page it forwards to ubports.com. I'll take a look around there. [03:02] I just flashed this on an SD card for PinePhone. Build #96 (Jan 7, 2021 5:55:00 AM) There is noticable screen flicker. Any idea what's up with that? [03:21] Ok so where can I get a device with Ubuntu Touch installed already? [03:23] e Bay? [04:00] Ryan Maldonado was added by: Ryan Maldonado [06:30] NAVEENrockzzz was added by: NAVEENrockzzz [08:19] Star was added by: Star [08:21] Hi I’m a newbie and this question has probably been asked lots of times but can I get this on my iOS phone if installed via a Mac? [08:27] @Star [Hi I’m a newbie and this question has probably been asked lots of times but can …], Nope, the iphone is not supported, only android or Linux phones [08:28] Ok thanks so a Samsung galaxy? [08:28] [Edit] Ok thanks so a Samsung galaxy would? [08:31] @Star [Ok thanks so a Samsung galaxy would?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.com [08:31] Thanks [08:32] @Star [Ok thanks so a Samsung galaxy would?], [Edit] https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io [08:32] It's .io not .com sorry [08:45] @UniversalSuperBox [It's a discussion that will no doubt continue for months.], I think it's a discussion that has gone on for a very long time, and will last much longer than a few months unfortunately. [09:01] Hi everyone, I have a noob question. I noticed UT is using Halium to interact with hardware components. Can UT work without Halium as well? What if someone wants to make their own hardware components ( a new phone only for UT) what's the process in that case? [09:04] @p0ok3r [Hi everyone, I have a noob question. I noticed UT is using Halium to interact wi …], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinephone/ [09:05] pinephone is a phone based on a SBC which doesn't ship with android, so the ubports port does not require halium [09:06] as far as I know it meant that a lot of extra work is being put into it to make it work properly as instead of halium providing everything they have to manually make everything work, but I'm not an expert here :D [09:11] Panagiotis Skoulikaritis was added by: Panagiotis Skoulikaritis [09:12] @joeth [as far as I know it meant that a lot of extra work is being put into it to make …], Thanks, I noticed pinephone before. So the question is, having a compatible hardware is supposed to make it faster since android is not in between. Am I right? [09:17] @p0ok3r [Thanks, I noticed pinephone before. So the question is, having a compatible hard …], I don't think that is necessarily the case, but it might just be because the pinephone is a low-end device so it is slow anyway [09:18] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/A2lgTWR0.png [09:18] (Photo, 613x741) https://irc.ubports.com/XuqU3GC5.png it uses an ultra-stripped-down android [09:19] Hmm yeah makes sense. I like to learn the process of making something like pinephone. Is there any good resources I can use? [09:26] @p0ok3r [Hi everyone, I have a noob question. I noticed UT is using Halium to interact wi …], Early phones such as Nexus 4 didn't use Halium but Canonical had privileged tech data to achieve that [09:28] @p0ok3r [Thanks, I noticed pinephone before. So the question is, having a compatible hard …], In practical terms now, probably not. But longer term that is a logical assumption, as optimisation improves [09:29] @Stereofont [In practical terms now, probably not. But longer term that is a logical assumpti …], Let's say you want to make your own phone brand. Is Halium relevant to you in this case? [09:32] @p0ok3r [Let's say you want to make your own phone brand. Is Halium relevant to you in th …], If you have $100 million, no 😜 [09:32] Volla uses proprietary information under licence [09:33] But also Halium I think… [09:34] Fx Pro1 X is another short production run hybrid [09:34] Androidy [09:37] @Stereofont [If you have $100 million, no 😜], Why is it more expensive? Android supported hardware components are cheaper to manufacture because the board design and components are available? [09:38] FCC/CE certification [09:38] @p0ok3r [Why is it more expensive? Android supported hardware components are cheaper to m …], What I mean is, you either pay for access to official information or you hack an alternative solution [09:39] Halium is a workaround for the information starved [09:41] @Stereofont [What I mean is, you either pay for access to official information or you hack an …], The information about how to communicate with the hardware components? [09:42] I didn't know it's starved [09:43] @RealDanct12 [FCC/CE certification], So if you use android components you bypass the certificates? But are you allowed to use them to build your own commercially available phone? [09:46] @p0ok3r [I didn't know it's starved], Corporates hold those secrets. Our community has to figure out how to get a similar result, by guesswork [09:48] @p0ok3r [So if you use android components you bypass the certificates? But are you allowe …], OnePlusOne is certificated and re-used. Pinephone had to pay [09:48] That's crazy, which corporates are we talking about exactly? [09:48] @p0ok3r [That's crazy, which corporates are we talking about exactly?], Android belongs to Google. How their drivers work is their secret [09:49] But it's open source!? [09:49] Of course, secrets can be bought, as long as you don't resell them 😜 [09:50] @p0ok3r [But it's open source!?], The drivers are not open source. UT would be so much easier if they were [09:51] So how does Lineage OS do it? [09:51] They just install proprietary drivers? [09:52] @p0ok3r [So how does Lineage OS do it?], Lineage is Android lite. Strip out some of the nasty bits. But the core is intact and functions normally [09:53] @p0ok3r [They just install proprietary drivers?], Exactly [09:55] Now I understand, so when you say they can be bought, who should you pay exactly? Google own the right to the hardwares or you can contact the manufacturers who produce the separate components? [09:57] @p0ok3r [Now I understand, so when you say they can be bought, who should you pay exactly …], Manufacturers get the hardware information they need from Google but the condition is they can't tell you. So to do the same you have to be a manufacturer. Though not a giant manufacturer… [09:58] Fairphone is not huge [09:58] Or you can design your own board? [09:58] And contact manufacturers to build it for you? [09:59] @p0ok3r [And contact manufacturers to build it for you?], Well workshops in Shenzen do all the work for all the brands … [10:00] They will make a run of 5,000 phones to a design [10:01] @Stereofont [Well workshops in Shenzen do all the work for all the brands …], So what kind of spec/technical docs do you need to have to contact them to build a prototype for you? [10:03] I think we have gone as far as we can with this here without going off topic. Best to ask that question in Overflow [10:03] https://t.me/UBportsOF [10:03] This [10:04] @p0ok3r [So what kind of spec/technical docs do you need to have to contact them to build …], There is a Pine64 group. They may be kind enough to give you some process insights there [10:05] Alright, thank you so much for the help. I learned a lot. [10:05] @p0ok3r [Alright, thank you so much for the help. I learned a lot.], Very welcome [10:16] So I'm going to complain here for a moment in the hopes someone reading is able to make linux phones smarter then Android. But its annoying as hell when one connects to a mesh network with no internet connection the mobile phone doesn't offer to keep 4g on for internet while keeping you connected to the wifi network. This is useful for wh [10:16] en your working with adhoc mesh networks for communications. [10:17] Heck on this topic its dumb we can't connect to two wifi networks simultaneously eg mesh network and a actual metered wifi network. [10:17] If these are things linux mobile could fix , please shut up and take my money [10:50] do desktops support that? [10:56] Ujukih was added by: Ujukih [10:57] Fwd from mariogrip: also here is a bedtime book you can read https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/2018-edition/ch00-00-introduction.html [10:57] Re Serval Mesh [10:59] @Krish g [Heck on this topic its dumb we can't connect to two wifi networks simultaneousl …], strange [11:18] @Javacookies [do desktops support that?], I know my desktop mint has the capacity to conect to two networks at once (with a usb wifi card) [11:19] So linux os wise it seems possible [11:21] You can use Bluetooth simultaneously of course [11:22] There is an IPv6 project floating around somewhere as well [11:37] @p0ok3r [Now I understand, so when you say they can be bought, who should you pay exactly …], the manufacturers, the hardware manufacturers drivers are not open source, the pinned message has a link how an android device is build fwiw. … it comes down to manufacturers build for android and write proprietary drivers but they don't upstrea [11:37] m these drivers into the linux kernel. volla and fx pro both work with such manufacturers to build their device and utilize halium to make use of their drivers, pine64 choose components that do have mainline line support and such don't require halium [11:40] @Krish g [Heck on this topic its dumb we can't connect to two wifi networks simultaneousl …], um not being able to connect to two wifi networks simultaneously is something specific to well wifi, or well at the very least the wifi hardware of the device in question, there's nothing any os can do about that [11:42] @Krish g [Heck on this topic its dumb we can't connect to two wifi networks simultaneousl …], [Edit] um not being able to connect to two wifi networks simultaneously is something specific to, well, wifi, or well at the very least the wifi hardware of the device in question, there's nothing any os can do about that [11:42] @Fuseteam [um not being able to connect to two wifi networks simultaneously is something sp …], Linux mint seems to have a solution for this and allows for multiple connections (using multiple wifi cards) [11:42] well does your device have multiple wifi cards? [11:43] I would hope i could with the use of a usb org for the pinephone , in the case of the linux laptop this is achieved with a usb wifi dongle and on board wifi [11:43] Otg* [11:44] fwiw ubuntu touch uses networkmanager, which is the same network manager that ubuntu and possibly mint is using [11:44] So in theory the support should be there ,just need to expose the settings to the user? [11:45] @Fuseteam [fwiw ubuntu touch uses networkmanager, which is the same network manager that ub …], Would a OTG wifi dongle work with UT? I never tried [11:45] @Krish g [I would hope i could with the use of a usb org for the pinephone , in the case …], well then you first need a wifi otg that works with the kernel of your device [11:45] @Stereofont [Would a OTG wifi dongle work with UT? I never tried], i'm guessing that depends on driver support [11:46] Yes. Wifi drivers in Linux are a nightmare [11:46] we have to remember that the kernel on android devices is rather volatile, change too much and you risk breaking some functionality [11:47] Networking two UT devices might be interesting 🤔 [11:47] @Stereofont [Networking two UT devices might be interesting 🤔], My thought is device functionality such as … 1: Canon camera hosts its own network for photos … 2: local area network [11:48] Having access to both without switching would be sick [11:48] You can run a local Nextcloud instance for that [11:48] even on the pinephone we have a similar situation, dalton has spend weeks if not months to upgrade the kernel; process where he has to fix many functionalities that were working before [11:49] phone running dry bbl [11:50] How much of the mainline linux is used for the pinephone? I thought something like a rt5370 driver was pre included in most Linux distros [11:50] Very crudely, you can run Axolotl on UT and Signal on desktop, for a synch mechanism [11:53] Afternoon all, I'm running in to a problem with a checksum mismatch for the manual download for a Redmi Note 7 using the UBports installer. Should I continue to install anyway and is this a known bug? [11:54] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/UM6m9ihw.png [12:05] Ignore the above, I believe I have fixed the error =) [12:11] Take to Welcome room if issues continue [12:11] Thanks. [12:13] @p0ok3r [Let's say you want to make your own phone brand. Is Halium relevant to you in th …], Its easy: If you manage to get all hardware drivers into a mainline kernel, we do not need Halium ;) [12:13] Or you supply them as source code as an auxiliary package [12:13] As soon as we can build all that stuff we can also ship Ubuntu Touch without Halium, like on Pinephone [12:18] @Krish g [How much of the mainline linux is used for the pinephone? I thought something li …], as much as possible but drivers in linux are in the kernel, it might be worth trying it out on the pinephone, but it depends on your kernel if it works [12:19] @Krish g [How much of the mainline linux is used for the pinephone? I thought something li …], [Edit] as much as possible but drivers in linux are in the kernel, it might be worth trying it out on the pinephone, but it depends on your kernel if it detects the dongle [12:23] @Fuseteam [as much as possible but drivers in linux are in the kernel, it might be worth tr …], The command lspci seems to show multiple devices am I doing this wrong or is that detection? [12:26] sounds like detection to me, but i'm not knowledge enough to tell you for sure [12:27] maybe compare outputs between your laptop and your phone? [12:28] I'll try that now [12:29] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/2lGMnl0Y.png [12:29] Ok it looks like I'm wrong it was not detected [12:30] 2 items found without dongle [12:30] well that answers that :x [12:30] Well that's sad 😔 [12:33] well not much to do, we don't have kernel devs to work on the kernel, unless ofcourse someone in the community is interested and able to work on it [12:34] God i wish I had the skills to help at that level unfortunately I fall into the build apps for the platform level [12:35] you are not alone, many of us wish they had the skills to some awesome stuff xD [12:36] the best we can do, is using our existing skills to do some awesome stuff [12:49] @Fuseteam [well that answers that :x], Humm are you looking for an USB device with lspci? [12:49] @Flohack [Humm are you looking for an USB device with lspci?], Krish is trying to use a usb dongle on his UT device [12:50] @Fuseteam [Krish is trying to use a usb dongle on his UT device], Well lsusb would be the right one no? lspci lists PCI devices ^^ [12:51] @Flohack [Well lsusb would be the right one no? lspci lists PCI devices ^^], Krish florian is giving you some hope :p [12:51] @Flohack [Well lsusb would be the right one no? lspci lists PCI devices ^^], [Edit] Krish, florian is giving you some hope :p [12:51] I'll try this now [12:52] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EGuOXQYk.png [12:53] Interesting result but don't understand what im looking at first command was without otg dongle [12:53] Second was with it connected [12:53] 3 items shown [12:53] Well USB bus is probably switched off when nothing is connected [12:53] Save power maybe ^^ [12:53] Well try to resolve vendor and device IDs via internet queries, to get an idea which device is which [12:53] Ok will do [12:55] I think I see it ill link here [12:55] Dufft was added by: Dufft [12:55] https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/0BDA/device/8176 [12:55] First item in the list seems to be the rtl wifi card [12:55] Oh look ^^ [12:55] What does dmesg tell you now [12:57] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/z0eelvHU.png [12:59] Is that useful? [13:00] @Flohack [What does dmesg tell you now], I see a number of sme and sdd events [13:03] @Fuseteam [Krish, florian is giving you some hope :p], Looks like the wifi card is visible to the device but atm id have to connect to a network via terminal id assume. Instead of a gui like primary wifi connection. [13:07] what does ifconfig -a give you? wlan is normally the builtin card [13:07] Yes Also you can try to use nmtui tool to configure it ^^ [13:09] Will check that out ,ty so much for the help [13:13] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/NCzZ9xCq.png [13:14] Allot of items in the list [13:17] oh my [13:19] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/dKrqwTNU.png [13:19] That it there? [13:19] Wlp1s0? [13:19] Essid:off [13:20] i have a feeling that's the one [13:20] I'll try nmtui it [13:44] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/9NuRpqN6.png [13:44] This seems to play nice this definitely needs gui [13:48] cool so it works [13:51] i wonder what would be needed to add gui support [13:52] maybe @Flohack knows xD [13:53] Sorry this is where I'm a dummy but on mint desktop when a second wifi card is seen it shows a second wifi on off and login options [13:53] Id love to see the same here [13:53] it should be much easier if you can SSH to phone and use nmtui from desktop [13:54] much easier to get gui support? [13:54] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/nLIaZkse.png [13:54] [Edit] much easier to contribute a gui support or? [13:54] [Edit] much easier to contribute a gui support? or..... [13:54] @Fuseteam [much easier to contribute a gui support? or.....], This is how it manages multiple adaptors on mint [13:55] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/TRsHALbe.png [13:55] Im hoping the ui pros could do the same here [13:56] my wild guess would be it would need to be added to https://github.com/ubports/indicator-network for it to appear there [13:56] or maybe https://github.com/ubports/system-settings [13:57] it should be using nmtui under the hood so it shouldn't be too difficult i think [14:28] Jennifer V was added by: Jennifer V [14:29] Hi there! I am new to this whole thing. Looking to purchase a device that supports unbuntu to be Apple and Google free. … Can I use any regular laptop in order to download to my phone or do I need certain parameters for the computer? [14:30] yes any regular laptop will do [14:30] but only a select few phones support running ubuntu touch [14:32] OK I was looking at the one plus one or the nexus five. I can find devices rather affordably that are in like new condition, but understanding that I can put a fan to on them is important before purchasing [14:32] *understanding how I can put Ubuntu on them is important [14:33] So do I purchase the install flash from the website on the laptop I want to use and as long as my USB port works on the laptop it doesn’t matter the operating system it has? [14:33] You can use the Ubuntu touch installer on any laptop [14:33] H@ñß9ñ was added by: H@ñß9ñ [14:33] @Jennifer V [So do I purchase the install flash from the website on the laptop I want to use …], Yeah it just needs windows Mac OS or linux [14:33] @H@ñß9ñ [H@ñß9ñ was added by: amyosx], bonk.pw/hewwo [14:34] Hi I'm back [14:34] What do I miss [14:34] Ok so windows laptop - check. Best phone for GSM that Ubuntu work on? [14:34] @Jennifer V [So do I purchase the install flash from the website on the laptop I want to use …], uh yes tho there may be os specific bugs [14:35] there are a lot of tips in @WelcomePlus fwiw [14:35] @amyosx [bonk.pw/hewwo], No preview here too,XD [14:35] At wikipedia it's said UT used Native and webapp so my question is native what programming language it's used [14:37] have you seen docs.ubports.com/appdev? [14:39] @Krish g [Im hoping the ui pros could do the same here], Whats your usecase for that actually? [14:40] @Fuseteam [have you seen docs.ubports.com/appdev?], Ubuntu Touch supports two kind of apps. Native apps are apps with interfaces made using QML or HTML with their behavior defined in JavaScript, C++, Python, Rust or Go. Web apps are special containers to run websites in. [14:41]