| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:56 |
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| ducasse | good morning | 06:17 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 08:12 |
| marcoagpinto | Morning! | 11:20 |
| daftykins | the frequency of kernel updates recently is just... painful | 16:24 |
| Ussat | ? | 16:47 |
| Ussat | How often do you update your kernel ? Just because a new one is out, nothing says you MUST update | 16:48 |
| marcoagpinto | hey hey | 17:17 |
| marcoagpinto | kernel 5.8 a few days ago? | 17:17 |
| marcoagpinto | strange... isn't it? | 17:17 |
| marcoagpinto | I thought that a LTS didn't have major kernel updates | 17:18 |
| oerheks | marcoagpinto, we were flabbergasted too | 17:24 |
| oerheks | with a fresh install HWE gets enabled | 17:24 |
| daftykins | Ussat: the updates that come out for the same release, yes there is a reason to update and restart | 17:27 |
| daftykins | typically security fixes, they might not be relevant... but you've got to get 'em done! | 17:28 |
| daftykins | in this specific case i'm referring to bionic having just received 4.15.0-132 | 17:31 |
| daftykins | -129 and -130 were only over the last week iirc | 17:32 |
| Ussat | I patch once a month | 17:34 |
| Ussat | reboot once a month | 17:34 |
| Ussat | You need to look at the updates and see if they really apply to your situation, just because something is a "security update" it may or may not apply at all | 17:35 |
| Ussat | For example, if there are fixes for a protocol I dont even use...meh... | 17:35 |
| daftykins | yes i find your comments blatant enough to be condescending really, i still think the frequency they are created is ridiculous | 17:36 |
| daftykins | the other extreme being in the proprietary world where they artificially limit them to once a month, surely there's a sensible middle ground compared to this | 17:37 |
| hggdh | usually, when you see two kernels being release within a few days (less than ~ 3 weeks) this means either there was a build issue, or a new serious kernel bug has been released | 17:50 |
| TJ- | the 4.15.0-125 introduced a data-loss issue with RAID10 that was finally solved in -129 so that created a lot of churn | 17:51 |
| hggdh | the Ubuntu kernel has a cadence of ~3 weeks | 17:52 |
| hggdh | what was done can be glanced on from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html | 17:54 |
| hggdh | and details on the cadence can be seen at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence | 17:54 |
| TJ- | apt-listchanges is useful to easily check on changes before installing | 17:56 |
| daftykins | at least the one from Jan 6th and today's are closer together than that | 18:11 |
| hggdh | indeed | 18:15 |
| hggdh | these are out-of-band releases, so either critical bugs or build failures on previous kernel | 18:16 |
| daftykins | hrmm did Landscape remove the free tier? i'm seeing fees for 4 servers on an account | 18:27 |
| Ussat | even that, that does not mean they effect you, its ALWAYS good to check on updates before installing. | 20:09 |
| Ussat | for example, the RAID10 did not effect me at all, so I was not concerned with that | 20:10 |
| Ussat | so, again, it depends, not all CVE's or issues effect everyone the same | 20:14 |
| hggdh | +1 | 20:22 |
| daftykins | frequency is still annoying :P | 21:12 |
| Ussat | welcome to OSS | 21:15 |
| tomreyn | you can use live kernel patching | 21:16 |
| daftykins | not across this count of systems nah | 21:17 |
| daftykins | for free that is ;D | 21:17 |
| Ussat | what is "this count" ? | 21:17 |
| daftykins | i don't think all distros work the same, so i don't accept that :D | 21:20 |
| Ussat | Of course all distros dont work the same. | 21:22 |
| Ussat | If you have that many systems, stagger your boots | 21:22 |
| daftykins | i don't think that fits with things | 21:25 |
| Ussat | um.....not knowing what "things" meaNS, NO IDEA | 21:35 |
| Ussat | sorry caps | 21:35 |
| daftykins | ok, i'm going to be ignoring you now - you have such a terrible attitude and shouldn't respond to anyone in the #ubuntu namespace | 21:39 |
| daftykins | nothing but condescending from the start | 21:39 |
| Ussat | oh no...I am beinng ignored.... | 21:41 |
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