[02:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[08:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:20] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[16:24] <daftykins> the frequency of kernel updates recently is just... painful
[16:47] <Ussat> ?
[16:48] <Ussat> How often do you update your kernel ? Just because a new one is out, nothing says you MUST update
[17:17] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[17:17] <marcoagpinto> kernel 5.8 a few days ago?
[17:17] <marcoagpinto> strange... isn't it?
[17:18] <marcoagpinto> I thought that a LTS didn't have major kernel updates
[17:24] <oerheks> marcoagpinto, we were flabbergasted too
[17:24] <oerheks> with a fresh install HWE gets enabled
[17:27] <daftykins> Ussat: the updates that come out for the same release, yes there is a reason to update and restart
[17:28] <daftykins> typically security fixes, they might not be relevant... but you've got to get 'em done!
[17:31] <daftykins> in this specific case i'm referring to bionic having just received 4.15.0-132
[17:32] <daftykins> -129 and -130 were only over the last week iirc
[17:34] <Ussat> I patch once a month
[17:34] <Ussat> reboot once a month
[17:35] <Ussat> You need to look at the updates and see if they really apply to your situation, just because something is a "security update" it may or may not apply at all
[17:35] <Ussat> For example, if there are fixes for a protocol I dont even use...meh...
[17:36] <daftykins> yes i find your comments blatant enough to be condescending really, i still think the frequency they are created is ridiculous
[17:37] <daftykins> the other extreme being in the proprietary world where they artificially limit them to once a month, surely there's a sensible middle ground compared to this
[17:50] <hggdh> usually, when you see two kernels being release within a few days (less than ~ 3 weeks) this means either there was a build issue, or a new serious kernel bug has been released
[17:51] <TJ-> the 4.15.0-125 introduced a data-loss issue with RAID10 that was finally solved in -129 so that created a lot of churn
[17:52] <hggdh> the Ubuntu kernel has a cadence of ~3 weeks
[17:54] <hggdh> what was done can be glanced on from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:54] <hggdh> and details on the cadence can be seen at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence
[17:56] <TJ-> apt-listchanges is useful to easily check on changes before installing
[18:11] <daftykins> at least the one from Jan 6th and today's are closer together than that
[18:15] <hggdh> indeed
[18:16] <hggdh> these are out-of-band releases, so either critical bugs or build failures on previous kernel
[18:27] <daftykins> hrmm did Landscape remove the free tier? i'm seeing fees for 4 servers on an account
[20:09] <Ussat> even that, that does not mean they effect you, its ALWAYS good to check on updates before installing.
[20:10] <Ussat> for example, the RAID10 did not effect me at all, so I was not concerned with that
[20:14] <Ussat> so, again, it depends, not all CVE's or issues effect everyone the same
[20:22] <hggdh> +1
[21:12] <daftykins> frequency is still annoying :P
[21:15] <Ussat> welcome to OSS
[21:16] <tomreyn> you can use live kernel patching
[21:17] <daftykins> not across this count of systems nah
[21:17] <daftykins> for free that is ;D
[21:17] <Ussat> what is "this count" ?
[21:20] <daftykins> i don't think all distros work the same, so i don't accept that :D
[21:22] <Ussat> Of course all distros dont work the same.
[21:22] <Ussat> If you have that many systems, stagger your boots
[21:25] <daftykins> i don't think that fits with things
[21:35] <Ussat> um.....not knowing what "things" meaNS, NO IDEA
[21:35] <Ussat> sorry caps
[21:39] <daftykins> ok, i'm going to be ignoring you now - you have such a terrible attitude and shouldn't respond to anyone in the #ubuntu namespace
[21:39] <daftykins> nothing but condescending from the start
[21:41] <Ussat> oh no...I am beinng ignored....