[02:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: it appears the latest update in 20.04 has screwed up dbus for us.
[02:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> The HWE kernel was recently released, so it's likely that.
[02:22] <OvenWerks> -controls does not work.
[02:22] <OvenWerks> al of the sudden
[02:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> I disagree. I used -controls today with no issue.
[02:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> On Focal.
[02:25] <OvenWerks> mine just started working
[02:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Interesting
[02:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: it appears that my FW device has some delay in starting
[02:36] <OvenWerks> if I take the buffer below 256 I get dbus errors
[02:36] <OvenWerks> I have had it run at 32/3 before
[02:36] <OvenWerks> I will do some hacking after I get my son some supper
[03:01] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: interesting
[03:02] <OvenWerks> it appears the fw wire device will work fine on 32/3 if I use the ffado drivers but is limited to 256/2 with the alsa drivers
[03:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I definately need to document that the alsa FW drivers do not work well for lower latencies
[04:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Very interesting.
[04:34] <OvenWerks> I have sent a message to the LAU ML asking if others have had this experience
[06:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Nah, I can't directly backport to the main backports repository. I just simply niglected to backport into the PPA for groovy and focal.
[13:44] <wonko> Forgot to rejoin here. :)
[13:44] <wonko> After I move I'm going to make an effort to spend more time helping out.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> Hard to remember to say things gender neutral :P  English is a pain in this, many languages have one word that covers both him and her
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, and now I'm dealing with Ralf again (I'm not engaging him directly, the CC has questions).
[18:16] <OvenWerks> RM has been kicked off of many email lists including LAU and LAD
[18:17] <OvenWerks> There has even been someone who tracked activity in these mial lists based on what RM was talking about and found his presence negatively affected membership numbers by reducing them as much as 50%
[18:18] <OvenWerks> I suspect he has a behavioral condition of some sort, either from birth or induced by something after that.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> He was left alone for a long time because once in a while he actually had something to say but at some point the negative effect of all the other times overrode that.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> similar to tom- on #ardour who some people have hidden on their irc client.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, the Community Council is involved now.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> IMO it should be a no brainer, someone who doesn't even run ubuntu and hasn't for years.
[19:38] <OvenWerks> If you ever read any of his advice for doing something, you will find the absolute most convoluted method you can think of.
[19:38] <wonko> Yay, internet drama! :-D
[19:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: another known MO for RM is that even after he is no longer able to post to an mailing list, he may continue to read them online from archive and answer people directly leaving the mailing list Return address intact resulting in the mailing list seeing answers to mail he has sent not to the list :P
 this is one reason the CC list is private ;)
 just saying
 @teward001 [just saying], Kind of not a good idea for the users list, but the dev list might benefit from being private in light of recent developments.
 @Eickmeyer [Kind of not a good idea for the users list, but the dev list might benefit from …], i meant specifically for CC not for your lists ;)