[03:10] <tom_w> So... it's like this.  I'm a LONG time linux user and I can't install Kubuntu 20.04 on Dell Precision 5510.  Multiboot USB install failed.  Unetbootin install failed.  I'm pulling my hair out.
[03:11] <tom_w> I borked an 18.04 installation on this machine this morning (apt purge libxml2... DO NOT DO THIS)
[03:12] <tom_w> I'm intending to wipe and re-install Kubuntu 20.04 but it will not install (successfully).  If I set the option to include updates, it fails near the end.  If I don't include updates, I don't get the networking required to allow me to install updates.
[03:15] <tom_w> I downloaded the most recent version of UNetBootin and installed it on a freshly formatted ext4 formatted thumbdrive but the Precision 5510 can't see it (Missing operating system, Selected boot device failed)
[03:15] <tom_w> Oh... wait.  Maybe I should format as Fat32 and use UNetBootin... that could be better.
[03:15] <tom_w> That could be much better.
 Live boot works fine but install fails to create a bootable system?
[03:16] <tom_w> Yes.
 Is  the netbootin USB is failing to boot?
[03:17] <tom_w> Yes, it is now.  (This is the most recent thing I tried to do but I formatted it to Ext4 which I'm willing to bet is the issue).
 I have had very good look using ventoy.
[03:18] <tom_w> is Ventoy a linux app?  I don't have access to Windows (but, then again, I don't want access to Windows)
 ventoy is cross platform, so yes...
 https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html
[03:19] <tom_w> Oh, yes.... something new to play with.
[03:19] <tom_w> Let me give this a shot.
[03:19] <tom_w> Thanks for the tip Darin
[03:30] <tom_w> So I download Ventoy and I was able to format the thumbdrive "ventoy -i /dev/sdd".  It seems it was successful.  My Kubuntu 18.04 recognizes that it has a Ventoy thumbdrive but it won't mount it to allow me to copy the Kubuntu 20.04 iso to it.
[03:32] <tom_w> Let me try GPT
 @tom_w, it formats the Partition where you will put ISOs in exFAT , you can chanfe it if you want to
[03:49] <tom_w> Reading a post, I saw someone had formatted to ext3.  Just tried that, without success (but using GPT).  Going to retry with MBR (formatting first partition to ext3)
 @tom_w, why not ext4 ?
[04:06] <tom_w> Because the Ventoy message forum has someone experiencing exactly what I am and they used ext3 with success.
[04:08] <tom_w> Interesting, I used a new USB stick on yet another system (dell m6700) running Kubuntu 20.04 and ventoy successfully formatted it allowing me to mount the exfat partition.  Copying some ISOs in now.
[04:08] <tom_w> And here we go... let's do this thang.
 very good. :)
[04:11] <tom_w> They sync was long... that's what SHE said.
[04:13] <tom_w> Had to boot into legacy mode and ... voila, a ventoy menu
 Ventoy is awesome in that the USB stick is still usable for regular copying and ISO's can be added and removed as desired.
[04:18] <tom_w> If this install of Kubuntu 20.04 doesn't work, I'm going to go with Kubuntu 18.04 (iso copied as well; this system was running this before) then do the upgrade.
[04:19] <Daskreech> I ended up doing that once
[04:19] <tom_w> This is cool because MultibootUSB  was barfing on adding 20.04 to a thumb drive which had 5 other distros.  Ventoy seems to be handling it swimmingly
[04:25] <tom_w> Coolio... first restart after install... fingers crossed.
[04:27] <tom_w> eww... an ugly grub menu
[04:30] <tom_w> well drats... an unknown partition at had1 "No known filesystem detected"  And it's big.
[04:30] <tom_w> s/had1/hd1/
[04:37] <tom_w> Booting to a virgin Kubuntu 20.04 system with encrypted LVM working.  Ventoy seems to have done the job
[04:40] <tom_w> But I have no network and I'm not sure how to install the networking components.  Any suggestions?
[04:47] <Daskreech> !networking
[04:47] <Daskreech> umm
[04:47] <Daskreech> !network ?
[04:48] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:48] <Daskreech> What
[04:48] <Daskreech>  is your chipset for your networkd card?
[04:58] <tom_w> I'll check that in a moment.  I'm missing a bunch of sound stuff as well. I'm going to try yet another re-install and enable WiFi and suck down the updates during install.
[04:59] <tom_w> I'm surprised it didn't auto detect the physical ethernet connection during install.
[09:30] <kubuntu__> hi
[09:38] <kubuntu__> Guys can you ttel me the MAIN difference b/w Kubuntu and KDE Neon.
[09:39] <kubuntu__> i tested both and found no differnce ; so what do you guys reccomend ? currently using win 7 4 gb ram
[09:47] <Raam> hi
[09:51] <Maik> kubuntu__: look at the about and faq on the websites, should tell enough about the differences
[09:52] <Maik> kubuntu__: also: https://itsfoss.com/kde-neon-vs-kubuntu/
[09:52] <Maik> Raam: hi
[09:52] <pial> @kubuntu__, kubuntu=kde+ubuntu, kdeneon=rollingkde+ ubuntu. thats as far as i know the simplest representation
[09:53] <Maik> !ask | Raam
[09:53] <Maik> and
[09:53] <Maik> !discuss
[09:54] <Maik> pial: plus Kubuntu is a official Ubuntu flavor where Kde Neon is not
[09:56] <Maik> kubuntu__: we're in the official Kubuntu channel so we'd recommend Kubuntu of course
[09:57] <Maik> Neon has it's own userbase and support medium
[10:01] <Maik> kubuntu__: you tried them both you said so it's up to YOU, it's all a matter of personal taste. Want a stable environment with 3 years of support go Kubuntu 20.04.1 LTS. Want a kinda rolling desktop environment and the latest and greatest of KDE Plasma, with a slight chance of breakge, on a ubuntu LTS base go with Neon.
[10:01] <Maik> again, it's all up to you and what you prefer.
[10:12] <kubuntu__> Thanks guys i have chosen KDE neon coz  i rhink its more "lightwieght"
[10:14] <Maik> kubuntu__: good luck and know that support for Neon is elsewhere. not here :)
[10:14] <kubuntu__> Assuming Kde neon = kubuntu i wan to ask waht is the filesystem check before booting and how to disable it as it takes around 1-2 minute boot time
[10:14] <Maik> kde neon is NOT kubuntu
[10:15] <kubuntu__> i kno i know but booting proccess were similar i mean KDE PLASMA
[10:15] <Maik> support for neon can be found on their website and chat  https://webchat.kde.org/#/room/#kde-neon-users:kde.org
[10:16] <Maik> so if you have questions about Neon, ask there
[10:16] <kubuntu__> thanks btw the same thing happens in kubuntu and since i am running kubuntu as we
[10:16] <Maik> -_-
[10:16] <kubuntu__> talk
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Wow, yet another botched LTS update
[13:24] <install> hi
[13:24] <install> guys please keep memes out of #kubuntu
[13:25] <discordMOd> guys please keep memes out of #kubuntu
[13:25] <discordMOd> or general
 i am using for top panel latte-dock. However it overlaps with desktop icons. Any solution?
 Kubuntu é vida
[19:15] <tom_w> Well, it is impossible to do a fresh install of Kubuntu 20.04 on a Dell Precision 5510 and getting working hardware.
[19:15] <tom_w> I was able to make it work by first install Kubuntu 18.04 then doing a release upgrade to Kubuntu 20.04
[19:16] <tom_w> A fresh install of Kununtu 20.04 works from a live CD (MultibootUSB and Ventoy), but the resulting install doesn't work with the network (through the dell docking station or through wifi) and the audio hardware is left unconfigured.
[19:20] <tom_w> There doesn't seem to be any instructions on how to enable networking on a fresh install of Kubuntu 20.04 if you don't have any networking available.
[19:21] <tom_w> (It seems you need a working network to get to any repos to ... enable the network.  Weird)