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[19:01] <RyuKurisu[m]> I don't remember who was using VMs for testing Hirsute, but could I use LXD/LXC for development?  Does anyone have any experience? 
[19:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> RyuKurisu: if you go that route you need to use the LXD VM approach because the containerization outside of a VM will fail the desktop launching
[19:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> LXD isn't geared for Desktop integration at all
[19:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> LXD VM is LXD managed VMs under the QEMU KVM system
[19:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> but still ultimately a VM
[19:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> (I'm one of the few using VMs to test things)
[19:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> (but I have the insane system power for it :P)
[19:03] <RyuKurisu[m]> Hmm, something to look into 🧐
[19:03] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> LXD can work for building packages though.
[19:03] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> right, LXD as a build environment is very useful
[19:03] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> or LXD as a test environment for non-desktop needs (servers, etc.) is equally useful
[19:03] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> but it's not a good solution for DE testing
[19:03] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> Yup, totally agree.
[19:04] <RyuKurisu[m]> I have a very meager laptop, but I don't want to constantly roll back my system, just to test stuff
[19:04] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> so use a VM
[19:04] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> but depends on your environment
[19:04] <RyuKurisu[m]> E.g. changing the image used by XScreenSaver
[19:05] <RyuKurisu[m]> So QEMU KVM is the suggested route? 
[19:06] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> I think so, it should work even with meager resources
[19:06] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> I use QEMU KVM, others use VBox or VMware's solutions
[19:06] <RyuKurisu[m]> Something like this set up?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYKkaVK0_A
[19:07] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> i used to use VMware's solutions until I discovered LXD has VMs xD
[19:07] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> I have an older i5 (3rd gen) and 8 G of RAM and it runs vms fine.
[19:08] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> Virt-manager is good stuff.
[19:08] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> yep
[19:08] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> the only reason I have a 6 core laptop and 32GB of RAM is I do a LOT of memory and processor intense things
[19:08] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> including regular package building locally
[19:08] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> on top of that, i also have at least 7 LXD container driven services that run at boot time to provide network services for my laptop
[19:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> (DNS server, data filtration, etc.)
[19:09] <RyuKurisu[m]> I have a Intel Celeron N4000, 4 GB RAM and 64 GB of MMC storage
[19:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> that's a bit small for any VMs
[19:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> but why 64GB of MMC storage, is the system that ancient?
[19:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> or is this like a netbook or something?
[19:10] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> i mean, the OTHER solution would be to pay for a 4GB VPS or something and run your Lubunut tests, etc. there
[19:10] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> which... I've done before :P
[19:10] <RyuKurisu[m]> 'Modern' netbook with touchscreen 
[19:10] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> that's not a netbook we call that a tablet :P
[19:10] <RyuKurisu[m]> <lubot "[telegram] <teward001> that's no"> It has a fixed keyboard to it 😜
[19:11] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> I bet you could run A vm it is a little tight, you will have to restrict what you are running.
[19:11] <RyuKurisu[m]> But I can flip it around
[19:11] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> It won't be fast but I think it would work. Especially what you are testing.
[19:12] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> yep
[19:12] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> just make sure that you keep at least 1 CPU core availaboe for your main system, if it's a single core processor you're going to have problems
[19:12] <RyuKurisu[m]> That's what I was thinking 
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[20:38] <KGIII> I do daily live testing on an old i5 w/just 16 GB of RAM. I use VirtualBox with its own 'Lubuntu Testing' VM. I throw 8 GB of RAM and 2 cores at it. It's surprisingly performant.
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