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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:58 |
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| ducasse | good morning | 06:57 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:19 |
| marcoagpinto | Heya | 09:26 |
| Maik | o/ | 09:46 |
| TJ_Remix | has there been some kind of glitch on Freenode? nickserv says I'm logged in as TJ- but I cannot switch nicknames back :S /nick TJ- ==> Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable | 13:44 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ_Remix: going unity remix? | 13:44 |
| TJ_Remix | :p | 13:44 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ_Remix: * TJ- has quit (*.net *.split) | 13:44 |
| lotuspsychje | at 13h56 | 13:44 |
| TJ_Remix | ahhh, split in progress then | 13:44 |
| ogra | yo | 13:48 |
| lotuspsychje | ogra: we did a test between focal and bionic worked like a charm | 13:48 |
| ogra | great... it even works on xenial | 13:48 |
| lotuspsychje | ogra: those stats, you can pull command as dev, or as user too? | 13:48 |
| ogra | ( i test on focal and xenial) | 13:48 |
| ogra | only as dev | 13:48 |
| lotuspsychje | xenial doesnt have snap by default right? | 13:49 |
| ogra | the snap owner gets a "metrics" page wheer you can see by OS, by channel or by version usage | 13:49 |
| lotuspsychje | i see | 13:49 |
| lotuspsychje | pretty handy | 13:49 |
| ogra | i thinkwe added snapd to the default seed in a point release for 16.04 ... | 13:49 |
| lotuspsychje | oh i wasnt aware of that | 13:50 |
| ogra | it didnt have it at release day though | 13:50 |
| lotuspsychje | zoom client feels really lightweight too | 13:50 |
| ogra | the recent snap grew by about 100MB ... seems they added some more dependencies | 13:51 |
| ogra | oh, heh, no that was actually me switching to lzt compression | 13:51 |
| ogra | *lz | 13:51 |
| lotuspsychje | heh | 13:51 |
| * ogra had totally forgotten about that | 13:52 | |
| ogra | that shoves off 10sec from startup time | 13:52 |
| ogra | (or 8 or so ... i didnt do exact measurements, but it was very noticeable) | 13:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ogra: started pretty quick on this side | 13:54 |
| lotuspsychje | on ssd | 13:55 |
| ogra | yeah, i made that change a while ago (early december or so) | 13:55 |
| ogra | i tend to keep the beta/candidate channels on the last version before i do an actual packaging change and only saw the size difference ... | 13:56 |
| ogra | channels: | 13:56 |
| ogra | latest/stable: 5.4.57862.0110 2021-01-16 (12😎 245MB - | 13:56 |
| ogra | latest/candidate: 5.4.53350.1027 2020-10-31 (10😎 157MB - | 13:56 |
| ogra | heh, my emoji plugin goes mad 🙂 ) | 13:57 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 13:57 |
| lotuspsychje | ogra: so just out of curiosity, wich Os wins on your snap :p | 13:57 |
| ogra | heh, ubuntu indeed ... let me check which version | 13:58 |
| lotuspsychje | thats pretty interesting those stats | 13:58 |
| nbusrone | since i didn't get reply at #ubuntu , May I know how to check my NIC support Gbits ? Advertised link modes: 1000baseT/Full but speed display otherwise 100Mb/s ? ethtool eth0 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k8wmSzDCd7/ | 13:58 |
| ogra | 20.04 - 93036 users | 13:59 |
| lotuspsychje | nbusrone: this is a discuss channel, please re-ask in #ubuntu after a while | 13:59 |
| ogra | 18.04 - 40574 | 13:59 |
| lotuspsychje | thats pretty cool ogra | 13:59 |
| ogra | then 20.10 and 16.04 ... | 13:59 |
| ogra | first non ubuntu one is manjaro with 3120 | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | so we can assume manjaro has a nice community too | 14:00 |
| ogra | zorin 2000 ... elementary 1500 | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | no mint? | 14:00 |
| ogra | yeah, and snapd by default | 14:00 |
| ogra | mint is in the 100's | 14:00 |
| ogra | mint 20 -> 553 | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | thats weird | 14:00 |
| ogra | mint 19 -> 488 | 14:01 |
| lotuspsychje | snap not default on mint perhaps? | 14:01 |
| ogra | nah, they make a lot of anti snap propaganda and you need to jump through some hoops to get snapd working at all | 14:01 |
| lotuspsychje | that makes sense then | 14:02 |
| ogra | yeah | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ogra: these stats, are they bound per dev app, or can you trigger general stats? | 14:03 |
| ogra | they are auto-generated per snap upload ... | 14:03 |
| ogra | nothing you can trigger manually | 14:03 |
| lotuspsychje | i see | 14:04 |
| ogra | (as a normal snap dev at least) | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | and are they used somehow for ubuntu user stats? | 14:04 |
| ogra | there are surely checks for "how many users have the snapd snap installed" tro get a number of total users and such | 14:05 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 14:05 |
| ogra | but not everyone using ubuntu keeps snapd around ... so you cant really deduct an exact number of ubuntu users from it | 14:06 |
| ogra | metrics have always been tricky in ubuntu 🙂 | 14:07 |
| nbusrone | ogra : snap will auto updates application install , it's much easier to deduct an exact number of ubuntu users from it | 14:08 |
| lotuspsychje | but can canonical trigger your stats from zoom for example? | 14:08 |
| ogra | sure ... | 14:09 |
| lotuspsychje | or limited to the dev of the snap | 14:09 |
| lotuspsychje | ok, thats interesting | 14:09 |
| lotuspsychje | but also dangerous :p | 14:09 |
| ogra | well, externally it is limited to the dev ... but indeed canonical owns the database of the server and can do stats on this | 14:09 |
| lotuspsychje | so that means they could see what happens on a lot of derivatives of ubuntu | 14:10 |
| ogra | nbusrone, well, there are probably more cloud instances of ubuntu in use than i.e. desktop installs nowadays ... even if you'd take "all snapd users out there" you likely leave out a few million docker users | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychje | this snap thing got really huge right | 14:11 |
| ogra | snapd sends a HTTP query when it tries to check for updates of installed snap (a few times a day) ... that query sends the OS name along ... | 14:12 |
| ogra | so it isnt just ubuntu derivetives ... but essentially *all* distros | 14:12 |
| ogra | *derivatives | 14:12 |
| lotuspsychje | wow | 14:13 |
| ogra | yeah, snaps got pretty huge and are quite a commercial success too ... | 14:13 |
| ogra | though less in the desktop area | 14:13 |
| ogra | but in IoT, embedded and cloud | 14:13 |
| nbusrone | ogra : snap will also update their version and server base will have different version core. | 14:14 |
| ogra | yep | 14:14 |
| nbusrone | ogra : application store already replace all apps to snap , soon repo or ppa will left outdates application. | 14:16 |
| ogra | well, thats always up to the packager ... | 14:16 |
| ogra | if a PPA maintainer doesnt keep his packages up to date, they wont upgrade | 14:16 |
| ogra | one point is that the packaging itself is a lot easier with snaps ... | 14:17 |
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| ogra | ... you also do not clash with system packages | 14:17 |
| nbusrone | I meant for the shift from ppa to snap.Some dev prefer snap with without relying on system deb. | 14:18 |
| ogra | i.e. the zoom snap that started this conversation ships its own copy of Qt ... it will never touch or replace the Qt on the host it is installed on | 14:18 |
| ogra | doing the same with a PPA is impossible | 14:18 |
| ogra | yeah ... i personally havent touched PPAs in liek 4years or so ... all my extra stuff is snaps nowadays | 14:19 |
| ogra | but there are still many people prefering PPAs | 14:20 |
| ogra | not everyone is like me 😉 | 14:20 |
| ogra | and snaps allow you development you simply cant easily do when using debs ... i.e. this is what i'm currently working on as spare-time project: https://snapcraft.io/kodi-pi-standalone | 14:21 |
| ogra | thats a kodi version specifically optimized for RPi hardware video decoding ... which the kodi deb in the archive does not have | 14:22 |
| nbusrone | oga : both have their strong point , but some point snap is slower on mechanical HD. | 14:23 |
| ogra | the snap allows me to simply use a different upstream tree (with all the Pi patches included) for the code easily | 14:23 |
| ogra | yeah ... snaps are compressed squashfs files ... decompression time varies between SSD and HHDs | 14:24 |
| ogra | *HDDs | 14:24 |
| waveform | also worth noting the compression algo changed late last year to something much faster at decompression (LZO ? I forget) | 14:30 |
| ogra | yep, lzo | 14:30 |
| ogra | which is admittedly a lot faster but also makes your snap bigger | 14:30 |
| ogra | (the zoom snap grew by 100MB when switching to lzo here) | 14:31 |
| waveform | indeed - it's a definite trade-off, though XZ's performance (at compression or decompression) is horrible :) | 14:31 |
| ogra | i tend to use lzo for my desktop apps but keep the server ones at the old default | 14:31 |
| ogra | desktop snaps also need to set up a lot more environmental stuff on first start, thats another hit ... | 14:33 |
| TJ- | Javascript/DevOps is officially insane, and I have evidence! 17 files and 334 dependencies in the package 'oneday' just to declare the value 86400000 (the number of milliseconds in one day!) https://github.com/bevry/oneday | 15:12 |
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| Bashing-om | UWN: Issue 666 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue666 :D | 22:25 |
| jeremy31 | Change the issue number | 22:27 |
| Bashing-om | jeremy31: Done - we are now working 667 :D | 23:24 |
| jeremy31 | Bashing-om: nice job | 23:28 |
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