=== guiverc2 is now known as guiverc [00:53] hi, whats the xft alternative to xfontsel? [00:53] you can use very ordinary looking text with xft compared to xfontsel [00:54] so maybe just 'fc-list' will suffice [00:56] I want to preview the fonts I have installed. [00:57] seems like people end up writing their own xfontsel for xft when I googled. I found that very strange. [00:58] can't you just use xfontsel? [00:58] and then skip the monstrous text string part of it? [01:00] I was thinking xfontsel was only for old fonts. isn't it? [01:01] take a look and see [01:01] thats what I read when I googled on it. [01:02] http://gtk2fontsel.sourceforge.net/ [01:02] I'd probably use imagemagick to crap out a bunch of images [01:06] Any chance gtk2fontsel will end up in ubuntu repository? or an alternative to it? [01:10] https://snapcraft.io/gnome-font-viewer [01:12] oerheks1: This happens when I try to start it: gnome-font-viewer: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. [01:15] I'll try rebooting to see if that helps [01:16] or there is already a font application in ubuntu 20.04 [01:16] type 'font' in search === raccoon_dog is now known as Guest40896 === raccoon_dog_ is now known as raccoon_dog === GhostOfSamurai1 is now known as GhostOfSamurai [01:33] oerheks1 do you use PHP on Ubuntu ? [01:36] Anyone manage to get KVM wireless bridge networking working in Ubuntu 20.04? [01:46] !msg ubottu !efi [01:46] Bashing-om: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [01:47] lol === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === MIF0 is now known as MIF === xclaesse9 is now known as xclaesse === krodelabestiole6 is now known as krodelabestiole === lucenera3 is now known as lucenera === ktosiek1 is now known as ktosiek === antoine3 is now known as antoine === JeremyD is now known as SleePy === mozzarel1 is now known as mozzarella === SynfulAck_ is now known as SynfulAck === geri71 is now known as mike18 === de-facto_ is now known as de-facto [03:03] anyone able to assist with nuking/resetting IP settings? [03:03] Pastebin of ifconfig: https://pastebin.com/Dxu14Upm [03:04] I've tried a few different steps to reset but after reboot, the settings are still the same. [03:04] did you make a backup? [03:05] No, the settings I changed were all done through GUI. This is on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS. [03:05] can you pastebin your config? [03:06] sure what command? Sorry, I haven't been on Ubuntu since 16.04 === oerheks1 is now known as oerheks [03:07] I should have prefaced this actually with the fact that I'm RDP in and not sure if that's the limiting factor in saving the network settings. [03:07] cat /etc/netplan/* [03:08] or if you are using the GUI [03:09] protip: if you don't apt autoremove at least once every 3 years, your very expensive HP server will break every day when the automatic apt runs [03:09] lol [03:10] i think i had 50 kernels in /boot [03:10] 3 years .. would reach mars [03:10] lol [03:10] https://pastebin.com/RpQg4Tms [03:10] starting at like 4.4.0-124 [03:10] what I thought illmortal [03:10] Yeah ubuntu has this weird apt loop it does when you have multiple kernel versions [03:11] lol [03:11] i honestly thought a CPU was dying based on the syslogs on all the guests [03:11] lol [03:13] one time ubuntu-server was in the auto remove [03:13] for me [03:14] * MIF runs a server not a gui [03:22] * Tails runs a server too === westor{off} is now known as westor === ktosiek1 is now known as ktosiek === xclaesse2 is now known as xclaesse [03:23] cool [03:23] what do you use it for? Tails? [03:24] just for irc atm [03:24] mine runs Wok [03:25] ubuntu 16.04.7, EOL in 2 months, woooo [03:25] I also run a IRC server, and my search engine [03:25] cool [03:25] MIF which ircd? all the ones i looked at many years ago took too many config files [03:25] Yep [03:25] unrealircd [03:25] !discuss [03:25] Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [03:25] oh sorry [03:26] genewitch do you want to hop over there [03:26] So I upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 and now PHP is broken. I've uninstalled and reinstalled it several times, and I'm kinda stuck. I'm also recovering from COVID so I'm hoping someone can take pity on me and give me a pointer. Yes, that's a blatant plea for pity, I'm not above that. [03:27] jx I had the same issue [03:27] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1186877/apache-php-no-longer-working-after-upgrading-to-19-10-from-19-04/1223210#1223210 [03:28] let me read that [03:28] yeah, I've done that, which is why I'm so confused. Apache SAYS php is enabled. [03:28] but when I hit domain.com/x/php with just has the phpinfo() command, it's sent as a download rather than processed as a php file [03:29] Ok [03:29] MIF: i joined discuss [03:29] ok [03:29] let me help jx [03:29] run [03:29] php -v [03:29] PHP 7.4.3 (cli) (built: Oct 6 2020 15:47:56) ( NTS ) (and two more lines) [03:30] ok [03:30] Also, thank you in advance. :) [03:30] NP [03:31] ok [03:31] do [03:31] I'm fairly sure I'm missing some entry in some config, I'm just not sure where. [03:31] ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled [03:32] are you using something like webmin/cpanel ect? [03:32] https://pastebin.com/Dpr6WNYB [03:33] This is my own server, I do have webmin/virtualmin installed. all o0f which was working greate before I thought, "Oh, hey, let's upgrade to 20.04lts!" [03:34] it works on 20.04 [03:35] and I would create it with virtualmin because it dose something weird [03:35] to the php config [03:35] * MIF uses nginx now but used apache2 for years before [03:35] I created a new domain, same behavior. [03:35] ok [03:35] I do have to go to bed, but I can get on tommarow [03:35] night [03:35] ok [03:35] thanks [03:37] jx: hi. are there any error messages in apache httpd's logs - any of them? [03:37] I don't think so, let me look again [03:37] no errors, just a couple notices [03:38] [Mon Jan 18 02:35:38.468130 2021] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 1412] AH00163: Apache/2.4.41 (Ubuntu) OpenSSL/1.1.1f configured -- resuming normal operations [03:38] [Mon Jan 18 02:35:38.468148 2021] [core:notice] [pid 1412] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [03:39] MIF eeeuwww vitualmin! [03:40] And when I run sudo a2enmod php7.4 I get "mpm_prefork already enabled" and "php7.4 already eneabled" [03:40] jx: what does sudo apache2ctl -M report? [03:40] so I think apache isn't seeing how to handle .php files in a config somewhere [03:41] https://pastebin.com/VGiLkX8c [03:42] so php7_module is getting loaded indeed. is this the module that's being referred to in php7.4.load ? [03:42] i.e. is the name identical? [03:42] let's look [03:43] # Conflicts: php5 [03:43] # Depends: mpm_prefork [03:43] LoadModule php7_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp7.4.so [03:43] and that module does exist, just looked. [03:43] good [03:44] are there any non-symlinks in /etc/apache/mods-enabled and /etc/apache/sites-enabled = [03:44] ? [03:44] nope [03:47] try disabling mpm_prefork, then reanabling it, using a2dismod + a2enmod [03:47] then the same for the php module [03:47] here's one of the site definitions: https://pastebin.com/KL3VRbsy [03:48] jx you are better of with piping to FPM [03:49] lutin mm? [03:49] jx trust me... it's seperate then and you can test more easily [03:49] read about php-fpm [03:49] I'm ok with that [03:49] * Lutin is off [03:49] AddHandler fcgid-script .php [03:49] AddHandler fcgid-script .php7.2 [03:50] makes me think that you're not not actually trying to use the php module [03:50] jx I'm a big Apache fan but Nginx it also nice piping to FPM [03:50] probably, sounds like wha tI'm seeing [03:50] ok later! [03:50] * jx waves [03:51] hmm, 7.2? [03:51] that's... od [03:51] odd [03:52] so use one of mod_php, f(ast)cgid + fpm, but not both for the same php version [03:53] agreed, that's odd. I could have sworn I'd edited this fiel half a dozen times... [03:54] so I admit I have a cursory level knowledge of apache. Where are you seeing both in that config? [03:55] well you have mod_php enabled, you did this previously using a2enmod [03:56] and presumely site-wide (though i may have run to conclusions there?) [03:56] oh... I see. In trying to fix one thing I screwed up by not realizing I was already using fastcgi [03:56] so I' haven't actually been fixing the problem [03:56] and in the configuration file you posted you have refernces to how php should be run through fcgid [03:56] ok, so that makes sense why that part doesn't work. [03:58] so I need to do something like this? https://smddzcy.com/posts/2017-09-16/migrating-from-mod-php-to-php-fpm [03:59] i'm not saying you must migrate, just that you'll need to decide for one of the two. [03:59] ideally whatever virtualmin recommends [04:00] well, IIRC it was FPM, I just haven't touched this in months and forgot. thanks for the reminder. [04:00] you're welcome [04:00] so since I had that, and that's what broke, it's probably better to remove momphp and stat again the right damn way. [04:00] I'm telling you, the COVID brainfog thing is real [04:01] i read about it. get well soon. [04:01] thanks for the smack upside the head, tomreyn [04:01] :) [04:01] Hello, can anyone help me with resetting my NetworkManager's settings to default? Ethernet adapter has a configuration that is uneditable / unable to save. Here's an example when trying: https://pastebin.com/jc9MTWGf [04:01] I'm on the upswing, I'm out of bed for more than 3 hours at a time now! [04:03] good to hear that [04:03] illmortal: you can use nmcli or nmtui to configure NM, too [04:05] Let me try. So far through GUI and through gnome-control-center display command, both have failed to save. [04:05] illmortal: is this a standard ubuntu installation? [04:05] Yep. Fresh install of 20.04.1 LTS [04:06] amd64? desktop? in a vm? [04:07] desktop [04:07] that's one of three questions answered. ;-) [04:08] pretty much trying to setup a simple seedbox and file/media server. [04:08] It's 64bit yes, installed onto a mini desktop PC and I'm RPD into it from a Windows 10 laptop. [04:10] okay. i can't find anyone reporting this error under 20.04, just under 18.04, and only few reports. and those reports are all about ubuntu derivatives. [04:11] dude [04:11] ++tomreyn [04:11] Yeah, I've spent about 2 almost 3 days trying to find something to help me reset the network settings, either just for the ethernet adapter or both wifi and ethernet. [04:14] https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/networkmanager-insufficient-privileges-from-remote-login/7643 looks like it can be related to your situation (this is about fedora, though) [04:14] is it stored in netplan? [04:14] also here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/564044/nmcli-insufficient-privileges-during-initial-vm-setup [04:15] /etc/netplan/*.yaml. [04:17] Not sure if stored.. But it may be true that using RDP to make these changes is causing the problem. [04:18] Not sure how else to get around it besides going to the machine and adding kb/mouse/monitor to set it up.. which I'd like to avoid. [04:18] did you try nmcli / nmtui then? [04:19] when I use nmcli, I receive an output. Pastebin it? [04:20] if it helps, sure [04:20] https://paste.ubuntu.com is preferred here over pastebin.com [04:20] ah ok cool [04:21] keep in mind though that remotely configuring this network interface isn'T a good idea if that's the one you're connecting through [04:22] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qjqjQYYMpS [04:22] i.e. better set up some kind of out of band access [04:22] " The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist. " [04:22] you may have mistyped this url [04:23] blah.. I can't even copy/paste between windows 10 and ubuntu through rdp lol [04:23] I did. [04:27] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qJqjQYYMpS/ [04:28] IP address for eno1 is supposed to be 192.168.1.XXX [04:31] if you intend to use this as a server rather than a desktop then indeed you should be using systemd-networkd and maybe netplan rather than network-manager. [04:31] and you should not try to apply changes to the network configuration through the very link you're configuring [04:31] Right now I'm going through nmtui [04:32] yeah I'm RDP into the WiFi card and trying to change the LAN card info. [04:32] WiFi card is setup correctly. While LAN isn't. [04:34] so i guess you could try to delete the existing LAN connection profile and create a new one [04:35] but as soon as this connection activates, there is a chance that the primary gateway points there, and your rdp connection will stall/fail [04:35] That's fine.. I can try it. [04:36] i.e. you wouldn't be able to reconnect then [04:36] I went the nmtui route, it looks like the configuration is saved but ifconfig still shows the same output - incorrect IP address. [04:36] Yeah, I'll pull the machine if I have to. [04:36] I have a feeling nuking it and starting from scratch is the only option at this point. [04:37] "incorrect ip address" as in you have one statically configured? [04:37] The LAN card should be on 192.168.1.xxx instead it's on 10.0.0.xxx [04:37] I don't know how it received that IP address.. but the WiFi card received the correct address. [04:38] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qJqjQYYMpS/ says that the ethernet interface, eno1, has two ipv4 addresses configured, 10.0.0.249/24 and 192.168.1.106/24 [04:39] i need to catch some sleep - good luck! [04:39] Yeah, at first I tried to find a way to eliminate just 10.0.0.249/24, but no dice. Now I'm at the point of saying screw it, lets nuke the entire settings for the eno1 card. [04:40] okay thank you [04:46] tomreyn slee is for sissies... 5:46 am here ;) [04:46] sleep is pretty important xD [04:48] Anyone know how to nuke/reset ethernet adapter's IP settings? Unlable to make changes and save them. Possibly due to RDP session into my Ubuntu box. [04:57] Hey [04:58] / [04:59] I'm attempting to log into an ubuntu server on aws, using rdp, but when I log in using microsoft remote desktop it just... stops. And when I look at the /var/log/xrdp-sesman.log, it shows that I am indeed logging in but then it's closed and exited almost straight away. [04:59] How do I troubleshoot this? [05:06] do I need to sanitize ubuntu server from cloud syncing, amazon-requests and other crap? [05:11] CMCI storm detected: switching to poll mode <--- this shows up sometimes in syslog, is it a cuase for concern? === daysun_ is now known as daysun [05:44] apt says sshfs is no longer required. I want to auto-remove the other packages. How do I mark sshfs as required? [05:45] i still want it to be updated [05:53] what's the current kernel on your ubuntu machine? [06:05] daysun: 5.4.0-60-generic x86_64 [06:05] thank you makara1. [06:05] debian is currently on 4.19. [06:05] as a developer, it's just not right. [06:05] need new sandboxing features etc. [06:06] Arch is at 5.10. [06:13] Does anyone have a good tutorial for setting up VNC and SSH on a fresh install of Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS GNOME [06:18] illmortal: any dists wiki on SSH will do, it's basically the same. See if ubuntu got one, go with archs wiki otherwise (it's almost always good, short, correct and on point) [06:19] Or is it the specific combo of ssh and VNC that you want? I think VNC comes with its own encryption. [06:19] Hmm, I suppose if xrdp refuses to work, I could try vnc. [06:21] arch as in arch linux? [06:21] yes, their wiki is great. [06:21] I don't understand what you want to do here though. [06:22] I've tried with TigerVNC but unfortunately it's been the typical issue a lot of people are getting when they VNC in.. which is a black screen. [06:22] if you've got an ssh server on linux, you can just ssh into it with X11 enabled [06:22] I want to be able to remote into my headless ubuntu box without logging out of it. [06:22] I see. [06:23] illmortal: Generally I use tmux for that as far as the command line is concerned. But the graphical session is nice. [06:23] illmortal: https://www.howtogeek.com/429190/how-to-set-up-remote-desktop-on-ubuntu/ [06:23] illmortal: That is, ssh in, and then `tmux` or `tmux attach` (to re-attach) [06:23] illmortal: if you just want a terminal, you could use 'screen' [06:24] which can keep a session alive as you disconnect/reconnect. [06:24] but there you go. Seems like there's a "remote desktop" thing in ubuntu that you just can enable. [06:25] I'm currently able to RDP but it forces me to log out. If I don't log out, I get a black screen. If I log out, I interupt its services (media/fileserver) [06:25] let me check out that link. [06:26] illmortal: if the target is headless then what kind of GUI applications are you wanting to share remotely? [06:27] illmortal: Lucky - I can't RDP at all. :( [06:27] It logs in, but immediately closes. [06:28] illmortal: 'headless' means no video or input devices; it sounds like you don't mean that but simply 'monitor disconnected/switched off' [06:28] specifically Plex and a torrent client [06:28] correct, it's a mini pc without a monitor and kb/mouse [06:31] illmortal: so not quite headless then (headless means no actual video output device, not just disconnected). In terms of those applications, I would have expected them to have a client-server architecture so you could run a 'remote control' on another device. For torrents, I've used transmission in that configuration for about 15 years [06:33] *sigh*, and Now I can't install anything because 'unattended-upgrades' has stolen the dpkg lock. [06:33] illmortal: and, as I read it, Plex uses a web interface so should be simple to access remotely with appropriate configuration/firewall settings [06:34] true [06:34] I guess just having the luxury or convenience to remote into a desktop and browse when necessary. [06:34] arahael: have you checked the logs for the RDP server for clues as to why it closes ? [06:35] TJ-: Yes, but there are no clues. It starts Xorg, and then immediately waits for it to close, which it does as: [06:36] [20210118-06:30:35] [CORE ] window manager (pid 5049) did exit, cleaning up session [06:36] illmortal: yeah... I'm just trying to find you some easier alternatives. One of the problems with remote desktops is the way the applications render their windows. Nvidia and/or prime can often be problems (proprietary drivers mainly) [06:36] arahael: you've got an SSH session to the target? [06:36] TJ-: I do indeed. [06:37] arahael: check for an obvious cause; files not owned by the user. "find $HOME -not -user $USER -ls" [06:37] thankfully none of these display drivers are nvidia based haha [06:37] arahael: actually, use 'sudo' for that command in case some are root-owned [06:37] illmortal: phew! [06:37] TJ-: No results, even with sudo. [06:37] arahael: thats good :) [06:38] TJ-: Not really. ;) Would be an easier fix. [06:38] arahael: now check the user's session logs with "journalctl user@$(id -u).service -b 0" [06:39] arahael: jump to the end and work backwards (press G (not 'g;)) [06:41] TJ-: I don't actually fully know that comand, why journalctl? In any case, Failed to add match 'user@1000.service': Invalid argument [06:41] doh! my typo! [06:41] arahael: missed the --unit/-u option: "journalctl -u user@$(id -u).service -b 0" [06:42] daysun - that howtogeek link.. unfortunately the command is irrelevant: gsettings set org.gnome.Vino require-encryption false [06:42] arahael: journalctl is the log inspector. systemd-journald keeps comprehensive system and user session logs [06:42] Ah, that gives more detail. Neat. *sigh*, systemd isn't using the system log. :( [06:42] I guess this makes some sense given that this is user-specific. [06:43] no such schema org.gnome.Vino [06:43] arahael: indeed - there are system services and user services. Anything related to log-ins is user session [06:44] THis looks intriguing - there's a bunch of errors relating to some sort of keyring and crap, but this is interesting: [06:44] Jan 18 06:43:44 ip-172-31-93-15 gnome-session[16230]: gnome-session-binary[16230]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry.... [06:45] TJ-: It's *very* interesting because it shouldn't be using gnome-session at all, I installed: xubuntu-desktop [06:46] arahael: I use Xubuntu but never install Gnome so not entirely clear how it'll interact to start that [06:46] TJ-: Yeah, that's the thing - I wouldnt' expect it to start that at all. [06:47] How does DESKTOP_SESSION get set at all? [06:47] arahael: I came in after you described the main problem so not clear on your scenario. Is the implication that you have a system that you usually log-in to with the xubuntu-session ? [06:48] TJ-: It's a brand new AWS instance I launched using ubuntu server. I wanted to run an RDP session on it. Then delete it at teh end. [06:49] arahael: hmmm, that sounds kind of unusual, since that'd be truly headless [06:49] TJ-: It is a headless server, yes. Which is why I want to use rdp :) [06:49] arahael: so the 'server' is actually doing GUI log-ins ? [06:50] TJ-: Someone needs to use a web browser in it to log in to some service and then download some ~100 GB, so we want this to be done in a place where it's pretty easy to download some crazy big files. [06:50] TJ-: It will run Chrome, yes. Because that user knows Chrome. [06:51] arahael: is it using xRDP ? [06:51] Yes, the xrdp bit as best as I can tell works fine. I'm now installing ubuntu-desktop, just to try it. [06:51] arahael: first thing I'd do is consult open (and closed) related issues in the XRDP issue tracker. Thsis one for example: https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/issues/1412 [06:52] arahael: oftentime you learn useful debug/config options and clues even if issues don't directly address your problem [06:52] TJ-: Indeed. Curious how it's *assumed* you have a .xsession in the user home. [06:53] TJ-: Installing ubuntu-desktop "fixed" the issue, so there's clearly some sort of broken setup where xrdp's configuration or something must be asusming that. [06:56] The default ubuntu desktop is *very* confusing! [06:57] why wouldn't you want autoremove on by default? (configuring unattended updates) [06:57] to roll back? [06:58] daysun: If it were a long-standing server, it might be appropriate. [06:59] arahael: my arch stacked up gigabytes of old packages and I kept wondering how such a light weight dist could take up 200GB. I never used any of those cache files ever. [07:00] daysun: Keeping a "cache" of old packages is common. [07:00] * arahael is an old-school Debian user, but hasn't kept up. [07:01] arahael: hmmm, that does seen strange because if xrdp needs something else it should declare a Depends on the package [07:01] I rather have an unattended-updating server reboot at night.. is that a bad decision security-wise? (I understand the hypocrisy) [07:02] daysun: who's 'night' though? [07:02] arahael: I think it's pointless unless your goal is to keep them backed up for safe keeping for the community [07:02] TJ-: night time [07:03] daysun: It makes it easier to troubleshoot package problem, eg, you could dpkg -i an old package manually. [07:03] makes sense for devs [07:03] daysun: There's a few good reasons for keepign them, especially when you don't have 100% reliable and super-fast internet. [07:04] daysun: Having such a fast, always-on internet connection changes things. It's not just for devs, it's also for highly controlled systems - it's easier to keep track of specific .deb's to install, etc, sometimes. Eg, "On servers X, Y, and Z, we must install this specific .deb to resolve ticket XYZ". Again, old-school. [07:04] daysun: Also, when's night, indeed? [07:05] daysun: This unattended upgrade happened very recently, and it's defniitely not night time. :D [07:06] daysun: Also, unattended upgrades breaks when you have a good blue-green deployment system going. [07:07] arahael: There's a config option Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot-Time "02:00" [07:07] daysun: Hmm, is that GMT? [07:07] reboots are only required for kernels or systemd, and not for kernels if using livepatch/kpatch services [07:07] arahael: I think that notation is supported by all time zones [07:07] arahael: local time [07:08] it'll be interpreted as local time [07:08] Hmm, I guess local time is probably US-east. [07:09] the dilemma is whether to delay the reboot until night time, or reboot when the update is done. If there's a vulnerability, then you're keeping an attack window open. [07:10] but an attack is less likely to happen if you got your networking right etc and only employees have access to the server. [07:11] arahael: blue-green deployment is above my pay grade :P [07:11] TJ-: How do I change the DE to xfce? [07:12] daysun: With blue-green deployment, you do the update, then switch. The downtime is minimal, or completely eliminated, if done right. [07:14] Yeah, I mean, they don't pay me for that. [07:14] daysun: Fair. :) [07:14] Invalid data - SHA1 hash mismatch for file... even after a reboot a manual backup fails... what to do to solve this? [07:15] arahael: you'd have to change the default session, which I would assume is a system-wide greeter option [07:16] dust: error: insufficent information :) what file, what commands [07:16] TJ-: Yeah, it seems xrdp almost bypasses the greeter. Seems I'm using gdm3, but looking how to configure gdm3 to start xfce4-session. [07:17] arahael: xubuntu would use ligthdm so I wonder if xrdp is tied to gdm [07:17] arahael: any directory /etc/gdm{,3}/ with settings in? [07:17] TJ-, the standard backup program from ubuntu desktop... set at daily updates... today it failed even after a reboot [07:18] TJ-: It's not xubuntu, I just installed the 'xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu server. [07:19] TJ-: And yes, /etc/gdm3 is there. [07:19] SO is /etc/lightdm [07:21] Hmm, just got xfce going - I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm [07:22] Ok, a far better DM - actually usable. I suppose the default DM is probably nice for a local system, but headless, with high latency, it's just awful. [07:24] arahael: I haven't touched Gnome in over 10 years due to the way it headed [07:25] TJ-: Yeah. Honestly, I haven't done xorg either for almost a decade! [07:25] I don't like this trend of "hide it all". Makes for poor discoverability. [07:25] TJ-, seems it dosnt like all states of firefox... after a restart of firefox the backup worked again [07:25] But before I had to setup my home office for working from home, I did run E17 on nixos. [07:31] Incidentially, xfce4 looks pretty decent. [07:32] Yes xfce4 looks great [08:03] https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6d34452330c5125c91ea013d23163322/20210118_131933.jpg hrm. puzzling. === retentiveboy_ is now known as retentiveboy [08:10] a CD? :O [08:54] https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/nodejs I installed the latest ubuntu server, but why do I have node 10? [08:54] I have a fully updated system. [08:57] !info nodejs groovy [08:57] nodejs (source: nodejs): evented I/O for V8 javascript - runtime executable. In component universe, is extra. Version 12.18.2~dfsg-1ubuntu2 (groovy), package size 32 kB, installed size 142 kB [08:57] daysun: try 'sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt upate' [08:58] will that also be updated by the unattended updater? [08:58] you need to edit the config for that [08:58] all packages will be updated unless you pin a version [08:59] what ducasse said [08:59] not true, unattended-upgrades only applies from security and updates iirc [09:00] daysun: see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades [09:00] indeed [09:01] you need to add universe to that list at the beginning [09:02] I already had universe enabled for all sources apparently. Yet node is v10. [09:02] 'apt policy nodejs' [09:04] 500 http:/...ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 Packages [09:04] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [09:05] strange [09:05] that's focal, not groovy, are you on 20.04? [09:05] yes, I suppose [09:05] !info nodejs focal [09:05] nodejs (source: nodejs): evented I/O for V8 javascript - runtime executable. In component universe, is extra. Version 10.19.0~dfsg-3ubuntu1 (focal), package size 59 kB, installed size 154 kB [09:06] !info groovy [09:06] groovy (source: groovy): Agile dynamic language for the Java Virtual Machine. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.17-4ubuntu1 (focal), package size 12638 kB, installed size 28594 kB [09:06] then you're getting the right version [09:06] what's groovy? [09:06] groovy is 20.10 [09:07] if you want nodejs 12 you need to upgrade [09:08] Or use 'n' [09:09] (You can install it using npm) [09:09] I thought I got the latest ubuntu version? :P is Groovy some kind of test thing.. or something? [09:09] all I find is that it's a release, I get that. [09:10] focal is the latest lts, groovy is a regular release [09:10] just went to the website and downloaded the latest server version. [09:10] !lts [09:10] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Focal (Focal Fossa 20.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. [09:10] thank you for all the support [09:10] yw [09:12] Hi all. I'm trying to upgrade my desktop from 18.04 to 20.04. When I try the updater from either the commandline or Software Updater, I get this error: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/95nggpB4WM/ [09:12] This is the contents of apt.log https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qw72sbrt8y/ [09:12] And this is contents of main.log: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/4nsnGpsn3f/ [09:13] I'm not really sure what I'm looking for [09:13] that error tells you what to do, use ppa-purge to remove packages from ppa's [09:15] how do I figure out which packages should I remove? [09:16] what happens after the 9 months that groovy is supported? [09:17] bobdobbs: look under /etc/apt/sources.list.d [09:17] daysun: it goes eol [09:17] !eol [09:17] End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [09:18] thanks [09:21] daysun: you could check if there is a ppa or third-party repo so you can run lts [09:22]