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 Hi again, lovely people of the UT community! I come back once more after being fed up with my systems performance. Is there anyone of you claiming to have some insight in tweaking some components? Currently, I can hardly open the browser without it crashing by running out of RAM, let alone multiple apps
 Damn ... I installed LibreOffice applications in Libertine (after fixing the keyboard before that) and noticed a strange thing ... If in all applications (for example, Firefox and Midori) the keyboard is called, then for example in Xterm and in LibreOffice the keyboard is not called ... Strange keyboard logic ...
 @peternerlich [Hi again, lovely people of the UT community! I come back once more after being f …], On which device 😆
 @Flohack [On which device 😆], bq Aquaris E4.5
 and I cannot paste the meminfo in here somehow. the paste option only works in the terminal itself
 but I have roughly 144 of 984 m free if I interpret it correctly
 @peternerlich [and I cannot paste the meminfo in here somehow. the paste option only works in t …], Long press the space bar to have access to paste option
 huh, now it not only worked that way, but with double tappinng the input field. before paste was greyed out … $ cat /proc/meminfo | head -n 2 … MemTotal:         983712 kB … MemFree:           75224 kB
 Well Those devices with 1GB are really suffering
 UT is not optimized for small memories, and todays webpages will do the rest
 humm, i use also BQ4.5, it behaves smoothly i would say
 ( except Drawer  app List scrolling )
 yes, but they were pretty good initially. I don't expect to watch youtube videos and have a lot of apps open, but it is really annoying when I cannot even share a picture on telegram because both apps keep starving each other
 clean installed needed sometimes ;-)
 [Edit] clean install needed sometimes ;-)
 I was thinking maybe there are some components I can disable? I didn't see anything promising in services though
 i often listen to youtube music in background, while browsing without issues
 @peternerlich [yes, but they were pretty good initially. I don't expect to watch youtube videos …], Yes sharing pictures can be PITA I know. Still, it will be hard to optimize this. Most newer devices we have are 2GB+, most even 3or 4GB, so its really questionable how much effort we can/should put into this.
 @lduboeuf [clean install needed sometimes ;-)], I tried that some time ago and was disappointed that I had only little relief
 @peternerlich [I was thinking maybe there are some components I can disable? I didn't see anyth …], unity8 takes the most space 😆
 @Flohack [unity8 takes the most space 😆], I see. I guess I do have to find my way into lomiri development then? I cannot imagine liking any other existing navigation strategy better
 @peternerlich [I see. I guess I do have to find my way into lomiri development then? I cannot i …], You are welcome to try, but idk if you will able to reduce mem consumption there. Its basically Qt/QML based, so we rely on what Qt framework think is appropriate. But well you can try. … Another story is that if you would stream file conte
[10:07] <ubptgbot> nt to/from content-hub then maybe there is less mem consumption. But also there, at some point the image must go to memory, and then it goes boom
 maybe cache clean  ?
 @lduboeuf [maybe cache clean  ?], how do I do that? or do you mean the browser?
 yes, with Tweak Tool
 @lduboeuf [maybe cache clean  ?], Nah on BQ devices you frequently run out of ram thats known
 nothing to do with cache
 yes, but i'm still surprised how well it still works ;-) ( not always )
 @lduboeuf [yes, with Tweak Tool], uh, couldn't find it in there with a quick look
 @peternerlich [Hi again, lovely people of the UT community! I come back once more after being f …], I have two BQ E4.5. One UBPorts and the other Canonical - the performance differences are minimal in my opinion. Of course, this is very old equipment, so don't expect miracles.
 @peternerlich [uh, couldn't find it in there with a quick look], top menu -> "Applications ..." , then select an application
 i also saw "dataMonitor" app on openstore but it crash on last devel
 I have it installed on rc, didn't notice any problems
 okay, went through all apps and wiped every cache >1MB
 I report no noticable changes as first impression
 what is your use case where it hangs ?
 @peternerlich [huh, now it not only worked that way, but with double tappinng the input field. …], can you run `free -h`?
 preferently in landscape
 it should post of memory info
 [Edit] it should post some memory info
 @lduboeuf [what is your use case where it hangs ?], - I have Teleports open to chat here … - I open the browser to search whether there are something like light versions of qt … - the browser takes some seconds to show me the initial blank tab page after the splash screen … - the browser starts loading the last open page (duckduckgo)
[10:55] <ubptgbot> , the loading bar is somewhere in the middle, there is nothing rendered to screen yet. usually at this moment I can already see the other app killed by the pixelated 'screenshot' in the app switcher thing … - the browser finishes loading and displaying duckduckgo, with a bit of luck it doesn't get killed within the next few seconds. More loaded pag
[10:55] <ubptgbot> es tend to trigger the killing beforw the page can finish loading.
 i have the E5 it should not be this bad in my experience
 (Photo, 658x80) https://irc.ubports.com/1p1r8IqK.png
 for context, have you modified you rootfs?
 @peternerlich [<reply to media>], hmm that looks normal
 @peternerlich [- I have Teleports open to chat here … - I open the browser to search whether ther …], humm, can't reproduced, is Teleport eating huge memory ? Need to test with an other app in background
 @peternerlich [- I have Teleports open to chat here … - I open the browser to search whether ther …], [Edit] humm, can't reproduce, is Teleport eating huge memory ? Need to test with an other app in background
 how about `df -h /`?
 normal == i have similar usage without noticinn slowdowns
 [Edit] normal == i have similar usage without noticing slowdowns
 (Photo, 489x266) https://irc.ubports.com/jBfxcW5Z.png
 @peternerlich [<reply to media>], hm? have you modified your rootfs?
[11:02] <ubptgbot> limanovembergolf was added by: limanovembergolf
 humm the "/" partition is almost full
 @Fuseteam [for context, have you modified you rootfs?], I'm not sure, I don't think I did since the last reinstall
 i also modified mine, i have about 68MB free
 you seem to have less than that 🤔
 if your ok with resetting it, you can try to ssh in and run `sudo system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots`
 if its successful you should have more room on your `/`
 it may relieve some of the load
 (Photo, 427x773) https://irc.ubports.com/ND0gk7Bs.png
 this is now a `du -h | sort -h` of everything under `/` not listed above
 [Edit] this is now a `du -h | sort -h` of everything under `/` not listed in the previous screenshot
 yes / is a separate partition
 you don't have to worry about the contents of `/`
 [Edit] yes `/` is a separate partition
 it is normally replaced on ota
 [Edit] it is normally (partially or fully) replaced on ota
 there are bind mounts in place that preserve user data, configuration and application
 @Fuseteam [if your ok with resetting it, you can try to ssh in and run sudo system-image-cl …], this is what this cmd does as well, right?
 [Edit] there are bind mounts in place that preserve user data, configuration and applications
 @peternerlich [this is what this cmd does as well, right?], the system-image cmd? yes it will replace your current rootfs with a stock one
 @peternerlich [this is what this cmd does as well, right?], [Edit] the system-image cmd? yes it will replace your current rootfs with a stock one without risk of dataloss
 tis useful to rule out issues arising from rootfs mods
 i've done it several time, i'm currently looking into ways to workaround this "limitation"
 [Edit] i've done it several times, i'm currently looking into ways to workaround this "limitation"
 @Fuseteam [the system-image cmd? yes it will replace your current rootfs with a stock one w …], fwiw you won't lose your apps, your configurations or your data
 Exception occurred during update; see log file for details
 uhm, wtf
 did you run it through ssh
 [Edit] did you run it through ssh?
 no, terminal
 you must remote into the device, it won't work properly otherwise
 hm, I will take a break and try later again
 alright
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 @lduboeuf [humm the "/" partition is almost full], it is a loopback mount and readonly, so yes, that is true on all devices
 the problem is not disk usage
 and with 336M available, it should be fine otherwise
 yeah but iirc there's a lot more thatn 26MB free on the rootfs by default
 nope
 [Edit] yeah but iirc there's a lot more thatn 29MB free on the rootfs by default
 at least a 100MB by memory i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for experimentations
 [Edit] at least a 100MB by memory i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for experiments
 [Edit] at least a 100MB by memory, i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for experiments
 nope
 presumably with it being a loopback device it'll basically always show as 'full'? and then when you choose to add stuff to it it'll just get bigger but still remain full
 or am I thinking of something else
 I think it depends on the device … I remember the root was almost full by default … right now, it seems that i have around 200mb free on my Nexus 5
 @Fuseteam [at least a 100MB by memory, i've installed things up to 80MB into the rootfs for …], well, "legacy" devices are different
 my xperia x has GBs 😄
 legacy devices have different partition layout and not using loopback mount
 for a 'real' idea of how much space it's taking you'd want to check the actual physical disk partition rather than the loopback device
 so i guess that just means @peternerlich installed some stuff with apt or something
 but really, the described issues don't sound like a problem with storage space
 esp given there's >1GB free on `/userdata`
 @PiecerEdd [presumably with it being a loopback device it'll basically always show as 'full' …], nah you definitely had a limit
 @dohbee [well, "legacy" devices are different], he's talking about a BQ E4.5 fwiw
 I actually didn't continue trying to ssh and reapply the image yet, but I had the thought of checking the swappiness... and was surprised to it turned up to 100. That's not the default on UT, is it?
 @Fuseteam [he's talking about a BQ E4.5 fwiw], but still, free space on `/` is irrelevant, since it's supposed to be read only
 [Edit] I actually didn't continue trying to ssh and reapply the image yet, but I had the thought of checking the swappiness... and was surprised to it turned up to 100. That's not the default on UT, is it? … I set it to 80 for testing whether it improves anything. Not sure so far.
 @peternerlich [I actually didn't continue trying to ssh and reapply the image yet, but I had th …], it's not actually swap. it is zRAM
 so 50% of the RAM is compressed to give you more RAM
 @dohbee [so i guess that just means @peternerlich installed some stuff with apt or someth …], that's my guess yes, if whatever he installed is related to it is another story
 but it clearly also says "336M available" in the `free -h` output, so RAM should not be an issue either
 the issue is weird nevertheless
 if it isn't  storage and it isn't memory, that leaves the cpu maybe? 🤔
 well it isn't amount of storage/RAM
 that doesn't mean eMMC or RAM can't be electronically faulty
 heh good point
 but it could also be some extra thing installed in rootfs causing problems, too
 so "clean install of stable channel" would be a good place to start
 yeah agreed
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Just flashing a redmi note 7 seems stuck on preparing system image how long does that part … Take any ideas
 @By brian All rights reserved [Just flashing a redmi note 7 seems stuck on preparing system image how long does …], did you have android 10 on it before?
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/q1GGB2b0.png
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Mui 11
 @dohbee [but it clearly also says "336M available" in the free -h output, so RAM should n …], when I start the browser it goes down quickly until the browser gets killed (or sometimes the whole lomiri session, for a change)
 @By brian All rights reserved [Mui 11], i guess that means android 11. you need to reflash with original android 9 image first
[15:34] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Ok is that the lavender one
 i don't know. are you trying to install an image for a different device to your device?
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Just using the ubports installer unlocked the boot loader on the redmi note 7 them followed the installer on ubports seem to go ok now just stuck on preparing system image been about 10mins
 @By brian All rights reserved [Just using the ubports installer unlocked the boot loader on the redmi note 7 th …], yes, as i said, you cannot have android 10 or newer on the device as they changed partitions in incompatible ways
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Ok 👍
 you MUST flash original android 9 based OEM image first
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> So I’ll need twrp
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Or can I roll back some how
 follow whatever instructions are from the manufacturer i guess, since you'll have to get the image from them
 Who do i talk to to get monero accepted within the ubports shop? : https://github.com/monero-integrations/moneroodoo
[16:27] <ubptgbot> Michał was added by: Michał
 (Photo, 794x628) https://irc.ubports.com/x5J0MJ3r.png first of all hello everyone. I was trying out of curiosity to install ubport on my rusty redmi 4x and it seems to have stuck on fastboot unlocking reattempt. Can I somehow safely recover from this?
 nvm, I've redone this, but apparently it cannot unlock fastboot
 "rror: fastboot:flashing_unlock: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot flashing unlock"},"stderr":"FAILED (remote: 'Token verification failed, reboot the device')\nfastboot: error: Command failed"}"
 @Michał ["rror: fastboot:flashing_unlock: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot flash …], Can it be you need an unlock token from your vendor?
 yeah I recall there was something like that needed
 you may be right
 but it sounds like so much pain in the ass geez hah
 lol well
 Hi Florian - as a developer, could you advise if it is possible to install this program on UT? https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app
 can't you use teleports?
 @op_pl [Hi Florian - as a developer, could you advise if it is possible to install this …], that looks to be unmaintained
 @joeth [that looks to be unmaintained], the correct one is https://open-store.io/app/teleports.ubports … source code:  https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports
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 @joeth [that looks to be unmaintained], btw. the outdated app you found on github has an "archived" flag 😊
 @hacker12455 [given we have checkra1n and PongoOS], And sandcastle
 @hacker12455 [can't you use teleports?], crashing all the time :/
 @joeth [that looks to be unmaintained], but I'm still use it on another UT phone
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> ive just installed lineage from fast boot
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> can i know install ubports from lavender
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> lineage
[17:39] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Anyone help or advice
 @op_pl [Hi Florian - as a developer, could you advise if it is possible to install this …], Can you read the header ;)
 @Flohack [Can you read the header ;)], can you fix the logo ;)
 @dohbee [can you fix the logo ;)], If I get a good png with transparency then yes
 Can you show us your commodore 64?
 (Sticker, 512x372) https://irc.ubports.com/YorFdCk4.webp
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Can you show us your commodore 64?], Actually I cant right now, its stowed away after some years on a shelf. But I will I promise ;)
 @Flohack [Can you read the header ;)], oooo you mean: This repository has been archived by the owner. It is now read-only.
 @op_pl [oooo you mean: This repository has been archived by the owner. It is now read-on …], Yeah this app is fully deprecated now
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/m90VjRvl.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Pvq0w9Va.webp
 But its release ready
 (Photo, 337x24) https://irc.ubports.com/QWEdQUZB.png
 Btw, will there be (at some point) a port with mainline linux kernel for Nexus 5?
 I wouldn't expect it unless someone works on it
 Nexus 5 is rather old device in terms of what is available for UBPorts
 @XShell [Btw, will there be (at some point) a port with mainline linux kernel for Nexus 5 …], i think the solution there if you want this, is to just run postmarketOS instead
 @nift4 [And sandcastle], well yea
 @Flohack [Yeah this app is fully deprecated now], Sorry, haven't see it before... but still works on one of my phones ;)
 @Flohack [If I get a good png with transparency then yes], what's worng with that from design guidelines 🤔 … https://ubuntu-touch.io/web/image/1655/Yumi.png
 @Flohack [If I get a good png with transparency then yes], [Edit] what's wrong with that from design guidelines 🤔 … https://ubuntu-touch.io/web/image/1655/Yumi.png
 @stkalb [what's wrong with that from design guidelines 🤔 … https://ubuntu-touch.io/web/ima …], Good question ^^
[18:29] <ubptgbot> <Ben Pittman> Hello,  loving Ubuntu touch. Just settimg up my first phone, a pixel 3a.  all seems to be working well,  but I cannot find a way to route calls over the wireless when cell service is not available.  is that supported yet?
 WiFi calling doesn't work in UT unfortunately
[18:37] <ubptgbot> <Ben Pittman> OK.  thanks.  I can stop looking.
 @peternerlich [when I start the browser it goes down quickly until the browser gets killed (or …], have you installed uadblock ? I had performance problems on the BQ Aquaris 4.5 with it. Even if you uninstalled it later, the changes could still be present.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kq8BpOHn.png
 I already replaced the logo, it's still cached by telegram
 ah 😁
 @UniversalSuperBox [I already replaced the logo, it's still cached by telegram], I hope its smaller now ^^
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Got the ubports working on red mi note 7
[20:11] <ubptgbot> Nick Howard was added by: Nick Howard
[20:13] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was looking at the blackview devices. Are there any plans to incorporate those or know working builds with those devices (MediaTek based)
 @Nick Howard [hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was l …], I suggest to buy a supported phone, it's difficult to port to MediaTek devices
 @Nick Howard [hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was l …], any device requires someone with said device, to build the port for it. mediatek devices are notoriously a pain, because mediatek tends to not release kernel sources or such
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> well dang
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 @Nick Howard [hi all, I'm looking for a new phone and thinking about ubuntu touch, but i was l …], if you need MediaTek-based device, there is Volla Phone
 Blackview is rather unlikely due to them not releasing kernel source code
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> more over I was just looking for something not google or apple. Someone recommended blackview because it's built like a tank and that appealed to me.
 @Nick Howard [more over I was just looking for something not google or apple. Someone recommen …], it's big, heavy, and slow? :P
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> it seems many of the devices on the list are older and being in the US, Volla isn't an option
 pixel 3a maybe?
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Nick Howard [it seems many of the devices on the list are older and being in the US, Volla is …], Why that?
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> the abrams goes 55+...the HMVV i used to drive had trouble breaking 35 on a hill
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> Volla doesn't ship to the US
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Nick Howard [the abrams goes 55+...the HMVV i used to drive had trouble breaking 35 on a hill], Does the Blackview use battery like the Abe gas? 😉
 but more specifically what are you hoping to get with UT on your phone?
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> they also do not support the primary verizon CDMA bands
 At least on the Pixel 3a there are reported issues with AT&T and Verizon, and sadly no one has stepped up to debug it (hard for me to do, living in Europe)
 Volla is not good option for US then
 oof
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Nick Howard [Volla doesn't ship to the US], They do. Just takes a while right now, because DHL uses ship-bound shipping due to Corona instead of planes. Delivery time 4-8 weeks was the last statement.
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> off google and apple. something that will work well syncing pictures to plex
 @fredldotme [At least on the Pixel 3a there are reported issues with AT&T and Verizon, and sa …], 3a is android 9 based?
[20:53] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> something I can tie to my laptop easily
 @dohbee [3a is android 9 based?], Yup
 @fredldotme [At least on the Pixel 3a there are reported issues with AT&T and Verizon, and sa …], [Edit] 3a is halium 9 based?
 ah ok, i guess it has the other ofono then?
 It's the "nofono" for me atm :P
 roflmao
 heh
 and Jolla has pretty much similar problem regarding US issues
 We probably need to review patches on our and on Mer side. Maybe we should not just take it as-is
 ...if we only had enough manpower to do it...
 it's years worth of histor
 [Edit] it's years worth of history
 the change set is massive
 Regarding ofono on Halium 9.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AKTBHuRv9U
 it would be nice to resolve both versions against proper kerneldotorg upstream ofono
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> I really wish I could help you all. But I got D's and C's in all my programing classes in HS, so I'm useless.
 Nothing against Sailfish, but that seems unlikely given their reluctance and the growth of the codebase. Nobody who's willing to upstream code would code it this way.
[20:58] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> thank you all for what you do
 I think OnePlus line is also available in the US?
 yes should be
 we have 3T, and soon 5/6
 But mileage varies, I had it on a business trip but with only GSM carriers its hard to get signal on the countryside ^^
 but if CDMA has issues on halium 9 too, i guess there's no reasonable option for someone on Verizon at the moment
 Oneplus One has no CDMA radio
 @Flohack [Oneplus One has no CDMA radio], our ofono has CDMA disabled anyway
 is CDMA still important with LTE? unless you need to make voice calls
 @NotKit [is CDMA still important with LTE? unless you need to make voice calls], do we have VoLTE? :P
 VoLTE when
 and i guess it still needs to register via CDMA
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> honestly, AT&T is the worst here, I know few people that use it. Even fewer that don't complain about it.
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> thats our only GSM provider
 eh? t-mobile is GSM
 vzn/sprint moving away too (and sprint is part of t-mobile now anyway)
[21:09] <ubptgbot> ZuHawecadabu was added by: ZuHawecadabu
[21:20] <ubptgbot> Thomas Greene was added by: Thomas Greene
[21:23] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Greene> Will installing this stop my cell service? "Cspire CDMA"
 installing what?
[21:40] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Greene> Ubuntu touch.
 slightly depends on which device you mean, but yes, in general Ubuntu Touch isn't working on CDMA currently
 @dohbee [slightly depends on which device you mean, but yes, in general Ubuntu Touch isn' …], Which is kinda astounding since rild should make an abstraction strong enough to iron out differences
 @Flohack [Which is kinda astounding since rild should make an abstraction strong enough to …], there's a patch in our ofono that forces GSM though, to work around a problem with the 2G/3G/4G selection on the pro5
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Greene> Ok my device is a galaxy S8 plus, suppose I'll just spend more time learning about the OS before asking questions. New to it all so dont really know alot about it.
 i don't think other dual sim devices are affect. just that bloody exynos device
 @dohbee [there's a patch in our ofono that forces GSM though, to work around a problem wi …], I know that story yes ^^
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> Tmobile's speed averages out at about 4mbps BTW
[21:47] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> so it's hot garbage
 @Nick Howard [Tmobile's speed averages out at about 4mbps BTW], off topic, but i get ~30Mbps download speed on LTE with T-Mo here.
[23:28] <ubptgbot> <Nick Howard> 4 mbps where I'm at, I just did their trial hotspot thing, the performance was the same as I had on sprint. Which is a large part of the reason why I left sprint