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callmepkgood morning00:50
illmortal.02:35
illmortalDoes anyone know if Anydesk requires your ubuntu box to have a monitor attached? I was able to remote into it whiile attached to a monitor but then as soon as I disconnected the monitor.. I have a black screen on Anydesk -.-02:35
dufluillmortal, not sure but it would not be surprising. Looks like a commercial product so you can get help here: https://anydesk.com/en/contact02:44
jibelGood morning06:12
dufluMorning jibel 06:31
didrocksgood morning06:49
dufluMorning didrocks 06:52
didrockshey duflu 06:52
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:55
didrockssalut oSoMoN !06:56
jibelHi duflu 06:57
jibelsalut oSoMoN 06:57
oSoMoNsalut didrocks, jibel 06:58
oSoMoNhey duflu 06:58
dufluMorning oSoMoN 07:49
callmepkhi jibel duflu didrocks oSoMoN 07:50
dufluHi callmepk 07:50
jibelHi callmepk 07:51
didrockshey callmepk 07:52
marcustomlinsonmorning callmepk jibel duflu didrocks oSoMoN08:04
dufluHi marcustomlinson 08:04
callmepkhi marcustomlinson 08:04
didrockshey marcustomlinson 08:04
jibelhi marcustomlinson 08:12
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seb128goood morning desktopers08:30
marcustomlinsonhi seb12808:30
jibelsalut seb128 08:35
dufluMorning seb128 08:51
oSoMoNhey callmepk, marcustomlinson, seb128 08:53
callmepkhi seb128 08:54
Laneyyo09:04
oSoMoNyo Laney 09:04
didrockshey Laney 09:06
dufluHi Laney09:09
Laneysalut oSoMoN didrocks duflu 09:12
seb128hey marcustomlinson, duflu, callmepk, Laney, oSoMoN, didrocks, jibel, how are you?09:14
marcustomlinsonhey Laney09:14
callmepkhey Laney 09:14
marcustomlinsonseb128: doing ok thanks, you?09:14
oSoMoNseb128, I'm doing good, how are you?09:14
callmepkseb128, I am ok, how about you?09:15
dufluseb128, feeling good today, way better than yesterday.09:15
seb128I'm alright, I had a decent night for a change which feels great :-)09:15
Laneyguten morgen seb128 marcustomlinson and callmepk 09:16
Laneyyeah good, the highlight of my life at the minute is playing animal crossing09:16
marcustomlinsonseb128: good to hear!09:16
seb128the days are still as challenging though and they announced that they will not lift lockdown for childrens earlier09:16
LaneyI just built a bamboo bench09:16
seb128lol09:16
Laneycome on the vaccine /o\09:18
seb128one year ago I was playing factorio and enjoying south africa weather :-/09:18
oSoMoNOne year ago I was sitting at my desk, now I'm standing at my desk. Change!09:20
Laney"must get that broken chair fixed"09:21
dufluoSoMoN, on that note, I bought a motorised kit to convert my desk and spent a day designing/building over new year. Now I have the same desk top I've used for almost two decades but it's motorised :D09:24
oSoMoNduflu, nice! I was lazier… I went for an entirely new desk and gave my daughter the old one09:25
dufluWell, it was a good deal. At the time the kit cost $300-something but the same one is being advertised for $1000 now09:26
didrocksoSoMoN: ahah, kind of same for me :) standing on the same desk (but a different room though)09:27
marcustomlinsoneh you healthy freaks09:30
duflumarcustomlinson, actually my main motivation was to sit down with a *lower* desktop. Only now do I discover that I like standing up sometimes09:31
marcustomlinson:)09:32
oSoMoNI intend to alternate frequently between sitting and standing, but so far I've found that I enjoy very much standing, so I have to force myself to sit sometimes09:46
Laneyjibel: are you happy with the current version of https://code.launchpad.net/~mfo/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/390637 ?09:50
jibelLaney, yes, I'm testing it09:53
jibelI'll merge it today09:53
Laneyexcellent09:54
Laneythanks firefox10:04
Laneysome tabs I tried to send from my desktop to the laptop yesterday just arrived10:04
oSoMoNslow tabs?10:05
oSoMoNnext time check the same-day delivery box ;)10:05
Laneyit's probably Brexit customs checks at the border10:09
LaneyRikMills: that ubiquity-dm problem you were referring to about the activation environment10:10
LaneyI was going to propose/commit a fix, but what should I look for in the log?10:11
Laneyto know if it's working or not10:11
RikMillsLaney: 2 secs10:11
Laneyand is it the setting of $DISPLAY or $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?10:11
Laneynm, just going out for my daily walk anyway, take 1 hour if you want10:11
Laneya gap in the rain has appeared :>10:15
RikMillsLaney: https://i.imgur.com/UfAfMrJ.png10:15
RikMillsI will check the other part10:16
RikMillsLaney: from my discussion with KDE devs, $DISPLAY10:19
Laneyjibel: RikMills: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/39649512:54
RikMillshmmm. not sure how I get that change onto a bootable ISO to test12:55
Laneyadd systemd.unit=rescue.target to the cmdline12:56
Laneysystemctl start network-online.target12:56
Laneythen you have internets and a full shell12:57
Laneyafter finished hacking, ctrl-d to continue with the boot12:57
RikMillsthat is useful to know. I will try to test later today12:57
seb128Wimpress, hey, do you plan to chair the team meeting?14:31
seb128I guess not14:32
LaneyFREE TIME!14:33
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-1914:33
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Laneyoh14:33
Laney:(14:33
seb128Laney, you wish :p14:33
seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk14:33
marcustomlinson\o14:33
Trevinhoo/14:33
callmepko/14:33
hellswortho/14:33
oSoMoN⚽/14:33
jibel\o14:33
kenvandineo/14:34
seb128oSoMoN, football time?14:34
oSoMoNLaney said so14:34
seb128k, let's kick in!14:34
seb128#topic rls-bb-bug14:34
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:35
seb128no desktop there14:35
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:35
seb128bug 191147314:35
ubot5bug 1911473 in flatpak (Ubuntu Focal) "Update for ghsa-4ppf-fxf6-vxg2" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191147314:35
seb128(why is flatpak on our set?)14:36
kenvandineno idea14:37
kenvandinenever seen it show up before14:37
seb128probably because MIR process request us to subscribe before the MIR is approved14:37
Laneyyep14:37
seb128bug #181245614:37
kenvandinealthough i've been sponsoring flatpak14:37
ubot5bug 1812456 in flatpak (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libflatpak0" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181245614:37
seb128that's backward and I've been argued about it in the past, but here is not the right place to do it14:37
seb128I will bring that again to the MIR team14:37
Laneykenvandine: want to take this sponsoring anyway to be nice? :-)14:38
seb128anyway14:38
seb128there is a CVE reference14:38
Laneyor if it's security maybe you can't and the security sponsors need to be subscribed14:38
seb128so we should probably check with the security team?14:38
Laneyoh they are14:38
Laneyok14:38
Laneynothing to do probably :p14:38
kenvandinei think ahayzen already is14:38
oSoMoNmaybe ask Andrew if he intends to do the bionic update too?14:39
seb128I will just assing to ahayzen who is already assigned for other series14:39
seb128he just got voluntered :p14:39
seb128ok, moving on14:40
seb128bug #191216814:40
ubot5bug 1912168 in ppp (Ubuntu Groovy) "please merge ppp 2.4.9 for 21.04 and then consider ipv6 default fix for SRU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191216814:40
oSoMoNit's not even done/accepted for hirsute yet14:41
seb128cpaelzer targetted it, it seems like a merge we should do and maybe a fix to SRU but the description doesn't convince me it's a rls issue14:41
Laneyyeah I dunno, it doesn't really describe the impact14:42
seb128without more rational on why it should be a rls target I would vote -114:42
Laneyi'd be ok with carding it instead I guess14:42
seb128trello would be ok, but if it's just a merge to do then I'm unsure why it would deserve a special process14:43
Laneyto make it not get lost14:44
Laneybut ok14:44
Laneyas you wish, I don't really care14:44
seb128I'm going to ask for details and reject the targetting for now14:44
seb128if someone wants to trello card feel free, I don't feel like it deserves special attention compared to other merges or issues in launchpad14:45
LaneyI don't think we have any process which is like14:45
Laneymake sure all of the desktop packages are merged14:45
Laneyanyway we could solve that separately I guess14:46
seb128right14:47
seb128sorry, I commented now so I don't forgot14:47
seb128ok, that's it for B14:47
seb128#topic rls-ff-bug14:48
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seb128bug #191180214:48
ubot5bug 1911802 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Video glitches playing hardware accelerated video through VAAPI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191180214:48
seb128tjaalton, ^ could you review this one?14:49
tjaaltonsure14:50
seb128if it's a SRU regression I would tend to say we should accept nomination14:50
seb128other opinions?14:50
seb128tjaalton, thanks14:50
Laneyright, agreed about sru regressions14:51
seb128k, let's accept it14:51
seb128tjaalton, we can always untarget if it turns out to not be needed14:52
seb128k, let's move on14:52
seb128it would be better to have Wimpress for the kernel vs hwe one14:53
seb128unsure what's the intend there14:53
seb128let's skip for this for now14:54
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:54
Laneywe don't need to skip, that's the design14:55
seb128could you comment on the bug to say so?14:55
tjaaltonit'll get fixed in 6mo by the next backport but best to at least try to fix it before..14:55
seb128tjaalton, right, that would be better if possible14:56
LaneyŁukasz already did14:56
LaneyI think we need to update the referenced documentation though, I will make a note to raise that14:56
seb128Laney, oh, right, thanks ;-)14:56
seb128thx14:56
seb128k, rls tracking 14:56
seb128bug #191143 is for callmepk, I'm going to assign to him14:57
ubot5bug 191143 in zope.sendmail "queuedDelivery should be overridable" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19114314:57
seb128bug #1911432 rather14:57
ubot5bug 1911432 in wslu (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU] wslu 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 to focal" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191143214:57
seb128and that's it then for focal14:57
seb128#topic rls-gg-bug14:57
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callmepkokay14:57
seb128callmepk, thanks :-)14:58
seb128callmepk, I meant to follow up on that, I think the regression potential and testcase sections need to be a bit more detailled since it's a non trivial update14:58
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:58
seb128one bug there assigned to Marco to clean up14:58
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:59
callmepkOkay, I will update it seb128 14:59
Trevinhoyeah, i've to re-review upstream PR14:59
seb128bug #191123614:59
ubot5bug 1911236 in emacs (Ubuntu Groovy) "emacs FTBFS on s390x because of a failing unit test" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191123614:59
oSoMoNthis can probably be marked wontfix for groovy15:00
seb128wfm15:00
oSoMoNbut I still need to look into it for hirsute15:00
seb128you are working on it? should it be assigned?15:00
oSoMoNyeah, I'll assign myself15:00
oSoMoNdone15:01
seb128thx15:01
seb128k, that's it for G15:01
seb128#topic rls-hh-bug15:01
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seb128Trevinho, could you check if the gnome-shell one status and triage as needed?15:03
seb128unsure there is enough details to accept it as a rls issue atm15:03
Trevinhook15:04
seb128thx15:04
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html15:04
seb128nothing needed there15:05
Trevinhoonly wayland one it seems though15:05
Trevinhoso not sure if rls15:05
seb128probably not, unless we change the default session which we were talking about doing15:05
Trevinhoat least so says the upstream reference15:05
seb128but it's getting late in the cycle...15:05
Trevinhowell maybe we've still time for that since we're probably not going with 4'15:06
Trevinho40*15:06
seb128we should discuss what we do again15:06
Trevinhoit can be a good test bed15:06
seb128right, let's put that on the agenda for maybe the friday team meeting15:06
Trevinhook15:06
seb128or emails15:06
seb128it doesn't feel like we have the right people atm15:07
seb128k, let's move on15:07
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages15:07
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seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages15:07
LaneyI retried libreoffice for dpkg but it's not the only thing blocking that anyway15:08
seb128nothing obvious on the list, probably some flaky tests and issues that should be investigated but I don't think we will get value reviewing that list now15:08
seb128didrocks, the zsys build failure seems real, maybe one you could poke at?15:09
seb128zfs.c:136:43: error: incompatible type for argument 3 of ‘zfs_rename’15:09
hellsworththanks Laney for looking at LO.. i'll take a look today15:09
seb128k, let's move on, I will card things if needed for proposed migration15:10
seb128also a topic I would like to discuss in the friday meetings15:10
seb128we probably don't get much value reviewing that list in the meeting, might be best to just get trello card created and assigned outside the IRC meeting15:11
seb128#topic AOB15:11
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seb128anything other topic?15:11
LaneyI don't mind moving things out of the meeting if they still actually keep on happening15:11
seb128we often fail to act on the proposed migration issues in the meeting anyway, even with that section15:13
didrocks(toc toc toc, is this is on now?)15:13
didrocksthing*15:13
seb128didrocks, it's ON!15:13
didrocks\o/15:13
seb128:-)15:13
didrocksI can SPEAK now :p15:13
kenvandine:)15:13
marcustomlinsonspam!15:13
didrocksseb128: agreed15:13
seb128damn, didrocks escaped the mute sandbox15:13
didrocksheh15:13
Laneyok15:14
seb128k, feels like we are done :-)15:14
seb128thanks desktopers!15:15
kenvandinethanks15:15
marcustomlinsonthanks15:15
seb128#endmeeting15:15
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meetingologyMeeting ended at 15:15:11 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-01-19-14.33.moin.txt15:15
didrocksthanks!15:15
callmepkthanks15:15
hellsworththx!15:15
jibelthanks15:15
oSoMoNthanks15:15
Laneywhy does EDS still tell me about meetings that got cancelled like 6 months ago15:20
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility signed tags b0f7ba6 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/3.38.1-1ubuntu1 * gnome-disk-utility Debian release 3.38.1-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/yPQy15:30
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master bfecec4 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 15 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3Mav415:30
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 92526bb Juliano Camargo po/pt.po * Update Portuguese translation * https://deb.li/3ACex15:30
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 94c975f Boyuan Yang po/zh_CN.po * Update Chinese (China) translation * https://deb.li/FC6y15:30
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 9fbf0c3 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/3d5I415:30
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 248937c Efstathios Iosifidis po/el.po * Update Greek translation * https://deb.li/uYtM15:31
KGB-2gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 2ba7a33 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/i43Aj15:31
seb128Laney, I've that problem as well :-/15:31
Laneyseb128: I found a /!\ next to the online account15:33
Laneymaybe it's failed to sync for that long15:33
seb128oh fun, auth data expired15:34
* Laney has re authed now15:34
seb128I wish GNOME would give you some notification about such problems :/15:34
Laneygood idea15:34
Laneyit didn't download any new events yet though15:34
seb128https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/-/issues/3715:35
Laneylol15:35
seb128oh, apparently that's not the first time I end up there :p15:35
Laneynow I just got told I'm having broadband installed in July 2020!15:35
* Laney stops poking EDS now, making it angry clearly15:36
Laneyok the events appeared now, great15:36
didrocksoSoMoN: we are talking about bug #1908502 in the MIR team, can you give an update on that one?15:41
ubot5bug 1908502 in tiff (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[MIR] libtiff5 dependency on libdeflate0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190850215:41
oSoMoNdidrocks, I haven't had time to work on it, no update from me15:41
oSoMoN(sorry)15:42
didrocksoSoMoN: any idea when you will get able to look at it?15:42
oSoMoNhopefully this week15:42
didrocksthat would be excellent, so that I’m not chased in the next MIR meeting by foundation :p15:42
* oSoMoN hides behind didrocks 15:43
Laneyseb128: good time to go over there and raise your issue, while the mir meeting is ongoing15:43
Laneyassuming they have an AOB section15:43
seb128Laney, thanks for the hint, I managed to catch their meeting ;-)16:00
seb128didrocks, why do we need bug #1912307 ?16:17
ubot5bug 1912307 in abseil (Ubuntu) "[MIR] abseil" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191230716:17
didrocksseb128: mozc is trying to pull it16:19
seb128didrocks, I was checking but the Build-Depends seems buggy, it doesn't end up being a Depends nor showing on component-mismatch(-proposed) from what I can see so I'm curious how it was raised?16:19
seb128Build-Depends to universe are fine right?16:19
didrocksseb128: it is showing on component-mismatch-proposed16:20
didrockscould be buggy though16:20
didrockshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg -> on 4th starting from the right16:21
didrockss/on//16:21
seb128hum16:21
didrockslet’s see if any binary package deps on it through symbols linkins16:22
didrockslinking*16:22
didrocksgrrrr ECANTTYPE16:22
didrocksemacs-mozc-bin_2.26.4220.100+dfsg-2_amd64.deb -> Dep on libabsl2020092316:23
seb128didrocks, it does depends on libabsl2020092316:23
seb128k, I misread the build log (the Debian one doesn't have the binaries details apparently)16:24
didrocksand it’s this is in main16:24
didrocksI just downloaded and check16:24
seb128weird16:24
didrocksbut TBH c-m-p should help us and show that directly to us…16:24
didrocksif only we had machine doing this work for us :p16:24
didrocks(and even better machine*s* :p)16:25
seb128didrocks, k, thanks, I also misread https://github.com/google/mozc/issues/49016:25
seb128it's abseil-cpp which they bundle, not abseul16:25
didrocksoff by one letter!16:26
didrocksshouldn’t give ***that*** much difference :p16:26
seb128no, that's a typo from me :p16:26
seb128but -cpp vs no -cpp :p16:26
didrocksheh16:26
didrocksall those libs, we should just bundle them all!16:27
seb128:-)16:27
GunnarHjdidrocks, seb128: abseil seems to be yet another C++ program without a symbols file. :(17:01
didrocksyep, let’s make the quality of our packaging higher that way :)17:02
GunnarHjhmm17:03
LaneyC++ symbols file AAAAAAHHHH17:09
Laneythe stuff of nightmares17:09
seb128GunnarHj, I'm pondering just dropping the Debian distro patch to mozc that creates the depends...17:10
didrockssounds like a past life for me with nux, compiz and unity :p17:10
seb128but then we have a delta to merge which is annoying17:10
GunnarHjLaney: I learned that just recently.17:27
GunnarHjseb128: Well, dropping it is one way. But remember that we already dropped mozc-utils-gui from recommends. What will be the quality in the end of the ibus-mozc package we provide to the users?17:27
GunnarHjAnother approach would be to drop ibus-mozc from main, maybe replace it with ibus-skk or something, and make the complete ibus-mozc be available in the archive for those users who prefer it. This shouldn't be don't without consulting some Japanese speaking users, of course.17:27
GunnarHjs/don't/done/17:28
* RikMills loves pkgkde-symbolshelper 17:34
seb128GunnarHj, upstream bundles a specific version of that librairie; it's a debian patch that makes it use the system one instead so the features would not be different19:49

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