[00:50] <callmepk> good morning
[02:35] <illmortal> .
[02:35] <illmortal> Does anyone know if Anydesk requires your ubuntu box to have a monitor attached? I was able to remote into it whiile attached to a monitor but then as soon as I disconnected the monitor.. I have a black screen on Anydesk -.-
[02:44] <duflu> illmortal, not sure but it would not be surprising. Looks like a commercial product so you can get help here: https://anydesk.com/en/contact
[06:12] <jibel> Good morning
[06:31] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[06:49] <didrocks> good morning
[06:52] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[06:52] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[06:55] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:56] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN !
[06:57] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[06:57] <jibel> salut oSoMoN 
[06:58] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel 
[06:58] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:49] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[07:50] <callmepk> hi jibel duflu didrocks oSoMoN 
[07:50] <duflu> Hi callmepk 
[07:51] <jibel> Hi callmepk 
[07:52] <didrocks> hey callmepk 
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk jibel duflu didrocks oSoMoN
[08:04] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson 
[08:04] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson 
[08:04] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson 
[08:12] <jibel> hi marcustomlinson 
[08:30] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:30] <marcustomlinson> hi seb128
[08:35] <jibel> salut seb128 
[08:51] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[08:53] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk, marcustomlinson, seb128 
[08:54] <callmepk> hi seb128 
[09:04] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <oSoMoN> yo Laney 
[09:06] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[09:09] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:12] <Laney> salut oSoMoN didrocks duflu 
[09:14] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, duflu, callmepk, Laney, oSoMoN, didrocks, jibel, how are you?
[09:14] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:14] <callmepk> hey Laney 
[09:14] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing ok thanks, you?
[09:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm doing good, how are you?
[09:15] <callmepk> seb128, I am ok, how about you?
[09:15] <duflu> seb128, feeling good today, way better than yesterday.
[09:15] <seb128> I'm alright, I had a decent night for a change which feels great :-)
[09:16] <Laney> guten morgen seb128 marcustomlinson and callmepk 
[09:16] <Laney> yeah good, the highlight of my life at the minute is playing animal crossing
[09:16] <marcustomlinson> seb128: good to hear!
[09:16] <seb128> the days are still as challenging though and they announced that they will not lift lockdown for childrens earlier
[09:16] <Laney> I just built a bamboo bench
[09:16] <seb128> lol
[09:18] <Laney> come on the vaccine /o\
[09:18] <seb128> one year ago I was playing factorio and enjoying south africa weather :-/
[09:20] <oSoMoN> One year ago I was sitting at my desk, now I'm standing at my desk. Change!
[09:21] <Laney> "must get that broken chair fixed"
[09:24] <duflu> oSoMoN, on that note, I bought a motorised kit to convert my desk and spent a day designing/building over new year. Now I have the same desk top I've used for almost two decades but it's motorised :D
[09:25] <oSoMoN> duflu, nice! I was lazier… I went for an entirely new desk and gave my daughter the old one
[09:26] <duflu> Well, it was a good deal. At the time the kit cost $300-something but the same one is being advertised for $1000 now
[09:27] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ahah, kind of same for me :) standing on the same desk (but a different room though)
[09:30] <marcustomlinson> eh you healthy freaks
[09:31] <duflu> marcustomlinson, actually my main motivation was to sit down with a *lower* desktop. Only now do I discover that I like standing up sometimes
[09:32] <marcustomlinson> :)
[09:46] <oSoMoN> I intend to alternate frequently between sitting and standing, but so far I've found that I enjoy very much standing, so I have to force myself to sit sometimes
[09:50] <Laney> jibel: are you happy with the current version of https://code.launchpad.net/~mfo/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/390637 ?
[09:53] <jibel> Laney, yes, I'm testing it
[09:53] <jibel> I'll merge it today
[09:54] <Laney> excellent
[10:04] <Laney> thanks firefox
[10:04] <Laney> some tabs I tried to send from my desktop to the laptop yesterday just arrived
[10:05] <oSoMoN> slow tabs?
[10:05] <oSoMoN> next time check the same-day delivery box ;)
[10:09] <Laney> it's probably Brexit customs checks at the border
[10:10] <Laney> RikMills: that ubiquity-dm problem you were referring to about the activation environment
[10:11] <Laney> I was going to propose/commit a fix, but what should I look for in the log?
[10:11] <Laney> to know if it's working or not
[10:11] <RikMills> Laney: 2 secs
[10:11] <Laney> and is it the setting of $DISPLAY or $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
[10:11] <Laney> nm, just going out for my daily walk anyway, take 1 hour if you want
[10:15] <Laney> a gap in the rain has appeared :>
[10:15] <RikMills> Laney: https://i.imgur.com/UfAfMrJ.png
[10:16] <RikMills> I will check the other part
[10:19] <RikMills> Laney: from my discussion with KDE devs, $DISPLAY
[12:54] <Laney> jibel: RikMills: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/396495
[12:55] <RikMills> hmmm. not sure how I get that change onto a bootable ISO to test
[12:56] <Laney> add systemd.unit=rescue.target to the cmdline
[12:56] <Laney> systemctl start network-online.target
[12:57] <Laney> then you have internets and a full shell
[12:57] <Laney> after finished hacking, ctrl-d to continue with the boot
[12:57] <RikMills> that is useful to know. I will try to test later today
[14:31] <seb128> Wimpress, hey, do you plan to chair the team meeting?
[14:32] <seb128> I guess not
[14:33] <Laney> FREE TIME!
[14:33] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-19
[14:33] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:33:13 UTC.  The chair is seb128.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[14:33]  * Laney gets the football out
[14:33] <Laney> oh
[14:33] <Laney> :(
[14:33] <seb128> Laney, you wish :p
[14:33] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:33] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:33] <Trevinho> o/
[14:33] <callmepk> o/
[14:33] <hellsworth> o/
[14:33] <oSoMoN> ⚽/
[14:33] <jibel> \o
[14:34] <kenvandine> o/
[14:34] <seb128> oSoMoN, football time?
[14:34] <oSoMoN> Laney said so
[14:34] <seb128> k, let's kick in!
[14:34] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:35] <seb128> no desktop there
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:35] <seb128> bug 1911473
[14:36] <seb128> (why is flatpak on our set?)
[14:37] <kenvandine> no idea
[14:37] <kenvandine> never seen it show up before
[14:37] <seb128> probably because MIR process request us to subscribe before the MIR is approved
[14:37] <Laney> yep
[14:37] <seb128> bug #1812456
[14:37] <kenvandine> although i've been sponsoring flatpak
[14:37] <seb128> that's backward and I've been argued about it in the past, but here is not the right place to do it
[14:37] <seb128> I will bring that again to the MIR team
[14:38] <Laney> kenvandine: want to take this sponsoring anyway to be nice? :-)
[14:38] <seb128> anyway
[14:38] <seb128> there is a CVE reference
[14:38] <Laney> or if it's security maybe you can't and the security sponsors need to be subscribed
[14:38] <seb128> so we should probably check with the security team?
[14:38] <Laney> oh they are
[14:38] <Laney> ok
[14:38] <Laney> nothing to do probably :p
[14:38] <kenvandine> i think ahayzen already is
[14:39] <oSoMoN> maybe ask Andrew if he intends to do the bionic update too?
[14:39] <seb128> I will just assing to ahayzen who is already assigned for other series
[14:39] <seb128> he just got voluntered :p
[14:40] <seb128> ok, moving on
[14:40] <seb128> bug #1912168
[14:41] <oSoMoN> it's not even done/accepted for hirsute yet
[14:41] <seb128> cpaelzer targetted it, it seems like a merge we should do and maybe a fix to SRU but the description doesn't convince me it's a rls issue
[14:42] <Laney> yeah I dunno, it doesn't really describe the impact
[14:42] <seb128> without more rational on why it should be a rls target I would vote -1
[14:42] <Laney> i'd be ok with carding it instead I guess
[14:43] <seb128> trello would be ok, but if it's just a merge to do then I'm unsure why it would deserve a special process
[14:44] <Laney> to make it not get lost
[14:44] <Laney> but ok
[14:44] <Laney> as you wish, I don't really care
[14:44] <seb128> I'm going to ask for details and reject the targetting for now
[14:45] <seb128> if someone wants to trello card feel free, I don't feel like it deserves special attention compared to other merges or issues in launchpad
[14:45] <Laney> I don't think we have any process which is like
[14:45] <Laney> make sure all of the desktop packages are merged
[14:46] <Laney> anyway we could solve that separately I guess
[14:47] <seb128> right
[14:47] <seb128> sorry, I commented now so I don't forgot
[14:47] <seb128> ok, that's it for B
[14:48] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[14:48] <seb128> bug #1911802
[14:49] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ could you review this one?
[14:50] <tjaalton> sure
[14:50] <seb128> if it's a SRU regression I would tend to say we should accept nomination
[14:50] <seb128> other opinions?
[14:50] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[14:51] <Laney> right, agreed about sru regressions
[14:51] <seb128> k, let's accept it
[14:52] <seb128> tjaalton, we can always untarget if it turns out to not be needed
[14:52] <seb128> k, let's move on
[14:53] <seb128> it would be better to have Wimpress for the kernel vs hwe one
[14:53] <seb128> unsure what's the intend there
[14:54] <seb128> let's skip for this for now
[14:54] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:55] <Laney> we don't need to skip, that's the design
[14:55] <seb128> could you comment on the bug to say so?
[14:55] <tjaalton> it'll get fixed in 6mo by the next backport but best to at least try to fix it before..
[14:56] <seb128> tjaalton, right, that would be better if possible
[14:56] <Laney> Łukasz already did
[14:56] <Laney> I think we need to update the referenced documentation though, I will make a note to raise that
[14:56] <seb128> Laney, oh, right, thanks ;-)
[14:56] <seb128> thx
[14:56] <seb128> k, rls tracking 
[14:57] <seb128> bug #191143 is for callmepk, I'm going to assign to him
[14:57] <seb128> bug #1911432 rather
[14:57] <seb128> and that's it then for focal
[14:57] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[14:57] <callmepk> okay
[14:58] <seb128> callmepk, thanks :-)
[14:58] <seb128> callmepk, I meant to follow up on that, I think the regression potential and testcase sections need to be a bit more detailled since it's a non trivial update
[14:58] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:58] <seb128> one bug there assigned to Marco to clean up
[14:59] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:59] <callmepk> Okay, I will update it seb128 
[14:59] <Trevinho> yeah, i've to re-review upstream PR
[14:59] <seb128> bug #1911236
[15:00] <oSoMoN> this can probably be marked wontfix for groovy
[15:00] <seb128> wfm
[15:00] <oSoMoN> but I still need to look into it for hirsute
[15:00] <seb128> you are working on it? should it be assigned?
[15:00] <oSoMoN> yeah, I'll assign myself
[15:01] <oSoMoN> done
[15:01] <seb128> thx
[15:01] <seb128> k, that's it for G
[15:01] <seb128> #topic rls-hh-bug
[15:03] <seb128> Trevinho, could you check if the gnome-shell one status and triage as needed?
[15:03] <seb128> unsure there is enough details to accept it as a rls issue atm
[15:04] <Trevinho> ok
[15:04] <seb128> thx
[15:04] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:05] <seb128> nothing needed there
[15:05] <Trevinho> only wayland one it seems though
[15:05] <Trevinho> so not sure if rls
[15:05] <seb128> probably not, unless we change the default session which we were talking about doing
[15:05] <Trevinho> at least so says the upstream reference
[15:05] <seb128> but it's getting late in the cycle...
[15:06] <Trevinho> well maybe we've still time for that since we're probably not going with 4'
[15:06] <Trevinho> 40*
[15:06] <seb128> we should discuss what we do again
[15:06] <Trevinho> it can be a good test bed
[15:06] <seb128> right, let's put that on the agenda for maybe the friday team meeting
[15:06] <Trevinho> ok
[15:06] <seb128> or emails
[15:07] <seb128> it doesn't feel like we have the right people atm
[15:07] <seb128> k, let's move on
[15:07] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:07] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:08] <Laney> I retried libreoffice for dpkg but it's not the only thing blocking that anyway
[15:08] <seb128> nothing obvious on the list, probably some flaky tests and issues that should be investigated but I don't think we will get value reviewing that list now
[15:09] <seb128> didrocks, the zsys build failure seems real, maybe one you could poke at?
[15:09] <seb128> zfs.c:136:43: error: incompatible type for argument 3 of ‘zfs_rename’
[15:09] <hellsworth> thanks Laney for looking at LO.. i'll take a look today
[15:10] <seb128> k, let's move on, I will card things if needed for proposed migration
[15:10] <seb128> also a topic I would like to discuss in the friday meetings
[15:11] <seb128> we probably don't get much value reviewing that list in the meeting, might be best to just get trello card created and assigned outside the IRC meeting
[15:11] <seb128> #topic AOB
[15:11] <seb128> anything other topic?
[15:11] <Laney> I don't mind moving things out of the meeting if they still actually keep on happening
[15:13] <seb128> we often fail to act on the proposed migration issues in the meeting anyway, even with that section
[15:13] <didrocks> (toc toc toc, is this is on now?)
[15:13] <didrocks> thing*
[15:13] <seb128> didrocks, it's ON!
[15:13] <didrocks> \o/
[15:13] <seb128> :-)
[15:13] <didrocks> I can SPEAK now :p
[15:13] <kenvandine> :)
[15:13] <marcustomlinson> spam!
[15:13] <didrocks> seb128: agreed
[15:13] <seb128> damn, didrocks escaped the mute sandbox
[15:13] <didrocks> heh
[15:14] <Laney> ok
[15:14] <seb128> k, feels like we are done :-)
[15:15] <seb128> thanks desktopers!
[15:15] <kenvandine> thanks
[15:15] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[15:15] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:15] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:15:11 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-01-19-14.33.moin.txt
[15:15] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:15] <callmepk> thanks
[15:15] <hellsworth> thx!
[15:15] <jibel> thanks
[15:15] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:20] <Laney> why does EDS still tell me about meetings that got cancelled like 6 months ago
[15:30] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility signed tags b0f7ba6 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/3.38.1-1ubuntu1 * gnome-disk-utility Debian release 3.38.1-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/yPQy
[15:30] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master bfecec4 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 15 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3Mav4
[15:30] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 92526bb Juliano Camargo po/pt.po * Update Portuguese translation * https://deb.li/3ACex
[15:30] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 94c975f Boyuan Yang po/zh_CN.po * Update Chinese (China) translation * https://deb.li/FC6y
[15:30] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 9fbf0c3 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/3d5I4
[15:31] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 248937c Efstathios Iosifidis po/el.po * Update Greek translation * https://deb.li/uYtM
[15:31] <KGB-2> gnome-disk-utility ubuntu/master 2ba7a33 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/i43Aj
[15:31] <seb128> Laney, I've that problem as well :-/
[15:33] <Laney> seb128: I found a /!\ next to the online account
[15:33] <Laney> maybe it's failed to sync for that long
[15:34] <seb128> oh fun, auth data expired
[15:34]  * Laney has re authed now
[15:34] <seb128> I wish GNOME would give you some notification about such problems :/
[15:34] <Laney> good idea
[15:34] <Laney> it didn't download any new events yet though
[15:35] <seb128> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/-/issues/37
[15:35] <Laney> lol
[15:35] <seb128> oh, apparently that's not the first time I end up there :p
[15:35] <Laney> now I just got told I'm having broadband installed in July 2020!
[15:36]  * Laney stops poking EDS now, making it angry clearly
[15:36] <Laney> ok the events appeared now, great
[15:41] <didrocks> oSoMoN: we are talking about bug #1908502 in the MIR team, can you give an update on that one?
[15:41] <oSoMoN> didrocks, I haven't had time to work on it, no update from me
[15:42] <oSoMoN> (sorry)
[15:42] <didrocks> oSoMoN: any idea when you will get able to look at it?
[15:42] <oSoMoN> hopefully this week
[15:42] <didrocks> that would be excellent, so that I’m not chased in the next MIR meeting by foundation :p
[15:43]  * oSoMoN hides behind didrocks 
[15:43] <Laney> seb128: good time to go over there and raise your issue, while the mir meeting is ongoing
[15:43] <Laney> assuming they have an AOB section
[16:00] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the hint, I managed to catch their meeting ;-)
[16:17] <seb128> didrocks, why do we need bug #1912307 ?
[16:19] <didrocks> seb128: mozc is trying to pull it
[16:19] <seb128> didrocks, I was checking but the Build-Depends seems buggy, it doesn't end up being a Depends nor showing on component-mismatch(-proposed) from what I can see so I'm curious how it was raised?
[16:19] <seb128> Build-Depends to universe are fine right?
[16:20] <didrocks> seb128: it is showing on component-mismatch-proposed
[16:20] <didrocks> could be buggy though
[16:21] <didrocks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg -> on 4th starting from the right
[16:21] <didrocks> s/on//
[16:21] <seb128> hum
[16:22] <didrocks> let’s see if any binary package deps on it through symbols linkins
[16:22] <didrocks> linking*
[16:22] <didrocks> grrrr ECANTTYPE
[16:23] <didrocks> emacs-mozc-bin_2.26.4220.100+dfsg-2_amd64.deb -> Dep on libabsl20200923
[16:23] <seb128> didrocks, it does depends on libabsl20200923
[16:24] <seb128> k, I misread the build log (the Debian one doesn't have the binaries details apparently)
[16:24] <didrocks> and it’s this is in main
[16:24] <didrocks> I just downloaded and check
[16:24] <seb128> weird
[16:24] <didrocks> but TBH c-m-p should help us and show that directly to us…
[16:24] <didrocks> if only we had machine doing this work for us :p
[16:25] <didrocks> (and even better machine*s* :p)
[16:25] <seb128> didrocks, k, thanks, I also misread https://github.com/google/mozc/issues/490
[16:25] <seb128> it's abseil-cpp which they bundle, not abseul
[16:26] <didrocks> off by one letter!
[16:26] <didrocks> shouldn’t give ***that*** much difference :p
[16:26] <seb128> no, that's a typo from me :p
[16:26] <seb128> but -cpp vs no -cpp :p
[16:26] <didrocks> heh
[16:27] <didrocks> all those libs, we should just bundle them all!
[16:27] <seb128> :-)
[17:01] <GunnarHj> didrocks, seb128: abseil seems to be yet another C++ program without a symbols file. :(
[17:02] <didrocks> yep, let’s make the quality of our packaging higher that way :)
[17:03] <GunnarHj> hmm
[17:09] <Laney> C++ symbols file AAAAAAHHHH
[17:09] <Laney> the stuff of nightmares
[17:10] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm pondering just dropping the Debian distro patch to mozc that creates the depends...
[17:10] <didrocks> sounds like a past life for me with nux, compiz and unity :p
[17:10] <seb128> but then we have a delta to merge which is annoying
[17:27] <GunnarHj> Laney: I learned that just recently.
[17:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: Well, dropping it is one way. But remember that we already dropped mozc-utils-gui from recommends. What will be the quality in the end of the ibus-mozc package we provide to the users?
[17:27] <GunnarHj> Another approach would be to drop ibus-mozc from main, maybe replace it with ibus-skk or something, and make the complete ibus-mozc be available in the archive for those users who prefer it. This shouldn't be don't without consulting some Japanese speaking users, of course.
[17:28] <GunnarHj> s/don't/done/
[17:34]  * RikMills loves pkgkde-symbolshelper 
[19:49] <seb128> GunnarHj, upstream bundles a specific version of that librairie; it's a debian patch that makes it use the system one instead so the features would not be different