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| sarnold | good morning | 15:31 |
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| doko | hi | 15:32 |
| doko | cpaelzer is not joining today | 15:32 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:32 |
| GunnarHj | I'm visiting due to an AOB item | 15:33 |
| doko | jamespage? | 15:33 |
| jamespage | kinda tied up atm | 15:33 |
| doko | ddstreet: ? | 15:33 |
| jamespage | apologies | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | o/ | 15:33 |
| doko | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 15:33 |
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| doko | #topic Review of previous action items | 15:34 |
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| doko | I don't have a list ... | 15:34 |
| didrocks | I have handled my 2 of last week list, I don’t remember the rest for others | 15:35 |
| doko | did so for my action as well. ok, let's skip this | 15:35 |
| sarnold | /lastlog action doesn't look like it's got anything from these meetings | 15:35 |
| doko | #topic current component mismatches | 15:35 |
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| doko | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 15:36 |
| doko | needrestart not yet addressed by foundations | 15:36 |
| doko | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbackuppc-xs-perl/+bug/1910262 is in progress, and needs security review | 15:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1910262 in libbackuppc-xs-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbackuppc-xs-perl" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:37 |
| sarnold | iniparser feels new to me | 15:37 |
| doko | ok, I'll take that | 15:38 |
| doko | mozc/abseil is still unresolved | 15:38 |
| doko | who is pkg-ime? | 15:38 |
| didrocks | an empty MIR for abseil is opened, but missed the tag to be listed | 15:39 |
| doko | didrocks: #1908502 is incomplete | 15:39 |
| didrocks | seb128 will do the MIR AFAIK | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | for usrmerge, I approved it and put into in-progress; but since it's already seeded, should i just move it directly to fix-committed? | 15:40 |
| didrocks | doko: dunno about this one, we didn’t talk about libtiff5 last week, I can chase | 15:40 |
| doko | ddstreet: ok, I'll promote that after the meeting | 15:41 |
| ddstreet | thanks | 15:41 |
| doko | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 15:41 |
| doko | nothing new | 15:42 |
| doko | #topic New MIRs | 15:42 |
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| doko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:42 |
| didrocks | door bell | 15:43 |
| doko | I don't any new ones | 15:43 |
| sarnold | :) | 15:43 |
| doko | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 15:43 |
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| doko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:43 |
| GunnarHj | Maybe that's where my item comes in. | 15:44 |
| GunnarHj | This is about the opencc MIR at bug #1909665. We were asked to add a symbols file for libopencc1.1, but since it's written in C++ doing so proved to be harder than I first realized. I was invited by didrocks to talk about it here. | 15:44 |
| GunnarHj | So I guess my questions are: | 15:44 |
| GunnarHj | 1. Should a symbols file be a requirement for including a C++ library in Ubuntu's main? | 15:44 |
| GunnarHj | 2. Even if it normally is, is there room for an exception in case of a non-core library with a specific target user group? (libopencc1.1 facilitates conversion between simplified and traditional Chinese.) | 15:44 |
| ubottu | bug 1909665 in opencc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin dependencies" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909665 | 15:44 |
| doko | #topic Any other business? | 15:45 |
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| doko | the formal answer is: yes ;p | 15:45 |
| GunnarHj | doko: To which of the questions? | 15:46 |
| doko | to 1 | 15:46 |
| GunnarHj | Ok. Room for exception in a non-core package? | 15:46 |
| doko | I know it's a pain, however we don't have yet anything better | 15:47 |
| doko | we really should use abigail instead of symbols files for c++ symbols | 15:47 |
| GunnarHj | We haven't given up yet, but had a discussion at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opencc/-/merge_requests/1, and the principal maintainer suggested that I ask. | 15:48 |
| doko | I'm not aware of any exceptions. I would tend to no-exception for now. any opinions=? | 15:48 |
| doko | looks like -3 has symbols files ... | 15:49 |
| sarnold | I don't understand the purpose of the symbols files well enough to have strong opinions; if they're part of some automated way to find abi breakage, then I'd guess they're more important with c++ than c, no? | 15:50 |
| doko | yes, finding ABI breakage. I don't see a difference for c and c++. but with c++, it's harder to see what makes up the ABI | 15:51 |
| doko | there are a lot of smbols for template instantiations, which vary for optimization levels, archs, endienness and 32/64 bit | 15:52 |
| sarnold | oh wow | 15:52 |
| seb128 | hey there | 15:53 |
| sarnold | hey seb128 | 15:53 |
| doko | abipkgdiff <lib1.deb> <lib2.deb> is usually very helpful | 15:54 |
| seb128 | is the MIR meeting over yet? | 15:54 |
| sarnold | seb128: no, we're right now discussing adding symbols to opencc | 15:54 |
| sarnold | :https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909665 and https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opencc/-/merge_requests/1 | 15:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1909665 in opencc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin dependencies" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:54 |
| GunnarHj | I learned that the hard way. Created a symbols file and got opencc uploaded, but the build failed in all archs but two. | 15:54 |
| doko | GunnarHj: https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/symbolfiles.html | 15:55 |
| GunnarHj | doko: Right, I was told that pkg-kde-tools may help. | 15:55 |
| doko | so could you give it a try first? | 15:56 |
| GunnarHj | doko: Sure, as I said we haven't given up. | 15:56 |
| doko | thanks | 15:56 |
| doko | anything else? | 15:57 |
| GunnarHj | Thanks for considering it. | 15:57 |
| sarnold | thanks GunnarHj | 15:57 |
| sarnold | doko: nothing from me | 15:57 |
| doko | seb128: ? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | would that be the right place to discuss removing the 'subscribe an owning team before the MIR is approved' requirement ? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | we got desktop subscribed to flatpak as part of bug #1812456 | 15:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1812456 in flatpak (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libflatpak0" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1812456 | 15:58 |
| seb128 | but now flatpak rls tagged bugs show up on our report despite the MIR not being approved nor moving since septembre | 15:58 |
| seb128 | which is suboptimal | 15:58 |
| doko | hmm, who would then be supposed to care about this? maybe we should delay that to next week when more people are here | 15:59 |
| seb128 | I would suggest the team should be subscribed once the promotion is approved | 16:00 |
| seb128 | get approved, subscribe, promote | 16:00 |
| seb128 | seems a more logical order to me | 16:00 |
| doko | what's the current state? wait for security review | 16:02 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:02 |
| sarnold | I can see the frustration with no progress on the package, but seeing bugs filed while its being processed feels like a useful thing to me | 16:02 |
| doko | let's wait for next week when Christian is here | 16:02 |
| doko | and james | 16:02 |
| seb128 | k, I will join again next week, thanks | 16:03 |
| seb128 | sarnold, well, it's just that the MIR might be rejected or meanwhile there is no reason we should be on the hook to support a package which isn't in main | 16:03 |
| doko | oops, I think I forgot to close the meeting | 16:19 |
| doko | #endmeeting | 16:19 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:19:38 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-01-19-15.33.moin.txt | 16:19 |
| sarnold | thanks doko, all :) | 16:26 |
| didrocks | t h a n k s ! | 16:27 |
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