=== didrocks999 is now known as didrocks === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 [15:31] good morning [15:32] hi [15:32] cpaelzer is not joining today [15:32] hey [15:33] I'm visiting due to an AOB item [15:33] jamespage? [15:33] kinda tied up atm [15:33] ddstreet: ? [15:33] apologies [15:33] o/ [15:33] #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status [15:33] Meeting started at 15:33:59 UTC. The chair is doko. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:33] Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status Meeting | Current topic: [15:34] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:34] I don't have a list ... [15:35] I have handled my 2 of last week list, I don’t remember the rest for others [15:35] did so for my action as well. ok, let's skip this [15:35] /lastlog action doesn't look like it's got anything from these meetings [15:35] #topic current component mismatches === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status Meeting | Current topic: current component mismatches [15:36] #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg [15:36] needrestart not yet addressed by foundations [15:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbackuppc-xs-perl/+bug/1910262 is in progress, and needs security review [15:37] Launchpad bug 1910262 in libbackuppc-xs-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbackuppc-xs-perl" [Undecided,In progress] [15:37] iniparser feels new to me [15:38] ok, I'll take that [15:38] mozc/abseil is still unresolved [15:38] who is pkg-ime? [15:39] an empty MIR for abseil is opened, but missed the tag to be listed [15:39] didrocks: #1908502 is incomplete [15:39] seb128 will do the MIR AFAIK [15:40] for usrmerge, I approved it and put into in-progress; but since it's already seeded, should i just move it directly to fix-committed? [15:40] doko: dunno about this one, we didn’t talk about libtiff5 last week, I can chase [15:41] ddstreet: ok, I'll promote that after the meeting [15:41] thanks [15:41] #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg [15:42] nothing new [15:42] #topic New MIRs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status Meeting | Current topic: New MIRs [15:42] #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir [15:43] door bell [15:43] I don't any new ones [15:43] :) [15:43] #topic Incomplete bugs / questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status Meeting | Current topic: Incomplete bugs / questions [15:43] #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir [15:44] Maybe that's where my item comes in. [15:44] This is about the opencc MIR at bug #1909665. We were asked to add a symbols file for libopencc1.1, but since it's written in C++ doing so proved to be harder than I first realized. I was invited by didrocks to talk about it here. [15:44] So I guess my questions are: [15:44] 1. Should a symbols file be a requirement for including a C++ library in Ubuntu's main? [15:44] 2. Even if it normally is, is there room for an exception in case of a non-core library with a specific target user group? (libopencc1.1 facilitates conversion between simplified and traditional Chinese.) [15:44] bug 1909665 in opencc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin dependencies" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909665 [15:45] #topic Any other business? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status Meeting | Current topic: Any other business? [15:45] the formal answer is: yes ;p [15:46] doko: To which of the questions? [15:46] to 1 [15:46] Ok. Room for exception in a non-core package? [15:47] I know it's a pain, however we don't have yet anything better [15:47] we really should use abigail instead of symbols files for c++ symbols [15:48] We haven't given up yet, but had a discussion at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opencc/-/merge_requests/1, and the principal maintainer suggested that I ask. [15:48] I'm not aware of any exceptions. I would tend to no-exception for now. any opinions=? [15:49] looks like -3 has symbols files ... [15:50] I don't understand the purpose of the symbols files well enough to have strong opinions; if they're part of some automated way to find abi breakage, then I'd guess they're more important with c++ than c, no? [15:51] yes, finding ABI breakage. I don't see a difference for c and c++. but with c++, it's harder to see what makes up the ABI [15:52] there are a lot of smbols for template instantiations, which vary for optimization levels, archs, endienness and 32/64 bit [15:52] oh wow [15:53] hey there [15:53] hey seb128 [15:54] abipkgdiff is usually very helpful [15:54] is the MIR meeting over yet? [15:54] seb128: no, we're right now discussing adding symbols to opencc [15:54] :https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909665 and https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opencc/-/merge_requests/1 [15:54] Launchpad bug 1909665 in opencc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin dependencies" [Undecided,Incomplete] [15:54] I learned that the hard way. Created a symbols file and got opencc uploaded, but the build failed in all archs but two. [15:55] GunnarHj: https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/symbolfiles.html [15:55] doko: Right, I was told that pkg-kde-tools may help. [15:56] so could you give it a try first? [15:56] doko: Sure, as I said we haven't given up. [15:56] thanks [15:57] anything else? [15:57] Thanks for considering it. [15:57] thanks GunnarHj [15:57] doko: nothing from me [15:57] seb128: ? [15:57] would that be the right place to discuss removing the 'subscribe an owning team before the MIR is approved' requirement ? [15:58] we got desktop subscribed to flatpak as part of bug #1812456 [15:58] bug 1812456 in flatpak (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libflatpak0" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1812456 [15:58] but now flatpak rls tagged bugs show up on our report despite the MIR not being approved nor moving since septembre [15:58] which is suboptimal [15:59] hmm, who would then be supposed to care about this? maybe we should delay that to next week when more people are here [16:00] I would suggest the team should be subscribed once the promotion is approved [16:00] get approved, subscribe, promote [16:00] seems a more logical order to me [16:02] what's the current state? wait for security review [16:02] yes [16:02] I can see the frustration with no progress on the package, but seeing bugs filed while its being processed feels like a useful thing to me [16:02] let's wait for next week when Christian is here [16:02] and james [16:03] k, I will join again next week, thanks [16:03] sarnold, well, it's just that the MIR might be rejected or meanwhile there is no reason we should be on the hook to support a package which isn't in main [16:19] oops, I think I forgot to close the meeting [16:19] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [16:19] Meeting ended at 16:19:38 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-01-19-15.33.moin.txt [16:26] thanks doko, all :) [16:27] t h a n k s !