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 Hi, I was playing with WSL2 and found that ubuntu (server?) is installable in WSL2 and that you could "remote desktop" into it if a desktop and xrdp was installed. Tutorials recommended xfce so I try lxqt. I installed lubuntu-desktop and xrdp, it worked but it didn't had all the customization we made. Any ideas what could be missing?
 You might need to make it a task sel so sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop^
 I installed lubuntu-desktop
 but our settings (theme, icons, .desktop overrides) are gone.
 even de lxqt-panel.conf
 I believe that since the user already existed before lubuntu-desktop installation, it didn't got the default settings
 this is what I have 
 $ apt list lubuntu-*
 Listing... Done
 lubuntu-artwork/focal,now 20.04.3 all [installed,automatic]
 lubuntu-default-settings/focal,now 20.04.4 all [installed]
 lubuntu-desktop/focal,now 20.04.8 amd64 [installed]
 lubuntu-grub-theme/focal 20.04.3 all
 lubuntu-restricted-addons/focal 26 amd64
 lubuntu-restricted-extras/focal 67 all
 lubuntu-update-notifier/focal,now 0.1 all [installed,automatic]
 here is how https://www.nextofwindows.com/how-to-enable-wsl2-ubuntu-gui-and-use-rdp-to-remote
 Right. the ^ at the end is a task sel. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
 thanks, will look into it
 @HMollerCl Very interesting - keep us posted with your progress.. (re @HMollerCl: Hi, I was playing with WSL2 and found that ubuntu (server?) is installable in WSL2 and that you could "remote desktop" into it if a desktop and xrdp was installed. Tutorials recommended xfce so I try lxqt. I installed lubuntu-desktop and xrdp, it worked but it didn't had all the customization we made. Any ideas what could be missing?)
[19:09] <wxl> KGIII: here's the bugs document https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[19:09] <wxl> i guess it could be split into reporting/testing but c'est la vie
[19:09] <KGIII> Thanks. Reading...
[19:10] <wxl> since i hear you're good with fancy arrows, if you want to try fully triaging a bug, taking a screenshot, and then marking it up with the numbers described, that would be cool. might be a good exercise to make all the text make sense
[19:11] <wxl> as ben franklin said: Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn
[19:11] <wxl> (apparently that was on the inside of jill biden's coat yesterday)
[19:16] <KGIII> I don't see how to 'subscribe' to the Lubuntu Package Team - only 'join' appears as an option.
[19:16] <wxl> derp yeah i guess that might be it
[19:17] <KGIII> The last proposed member was in 2019. They are still proposed. So, joining doesn't appear to be a reasonable option.
[19:18] <wxl> oh i can fix that
[19:19] <wxl> let me know when you've applied (just in case i for some reason don't get notification)
[19:19] <KGIII> I just hit the apply button. This will let me see the bug process more clearly, correct?
[19:20] <wxl> well every time a new bug comes in against a package in the lubuntu packageset, you'll get a notification
[19:20] <KGIII> Yeah, that'll help. That's a good idea, I can then see the process and follow it to see how it all works. Thanks.
[19:21] <wxl> no problem!
[19:21] <wxl> thank YOU
[19:21] <KGIII> I like learning new stuff. If it helps me help the project, even better.
[19:24] <wxl> well there's plenty more to learn where that came from XD
[19:24] <wxl> to some degree, ^ this is me sort of nudging you in a direction i'd like to see more help in, but i defer to you. if there's an area you have greater interest in, let me know and i'll give you all i got
[19:26] <KGIII> I'm gonna read through bugs for a while. Lemme get a better understanding. This could take a bit. I'll be doing things like trying to recreate some of them and looking at the whole process, so I'd suggest patience.
[19:27] <wxl> like i said, no commitment or requirements needed. i'm here if and when you need it 
 wxl: i sent you a PM go read :P
 UNRELATED: I'm very glad I started shifting us to a different S3 - we hit 30k requests to AWS fast on Discourse o.O
 i miiiiiight ahve to coordinate with Canonical sysadmin to get us on a CDN...
[19:30] <wxl> um no pm found @teward001
 i sent it to your matrix one because that's where you logged on first
 stdby
[19:30] <wxl> ah one sec
 PM'd to your normal IRC
[19:55] <KGIII> wxl: You don't recreate all the bugs personally, do you? You just kinda set their importance level and make sure the right package maintainers know?
[19:56] <wxl> KGIII: i always do. if i can't recreate them, it means there's either a poor description, some sort of annoying race condition, or it's just not a bug at all
[19:57] <KGIII> Ah, okay. I wasn't sure from the comments. 
[19:57] <wxl> well
[19:57] <wxl> let me rephrase
[19:57] <wxl> i don't always recreate them
[19:57] <wxl> if it's not clear what i need to do to recreate them, then i won't
[19:58] <wxl> and some are hardware specific so i can't
[19:58] <KGIII> I get it. This is also opening my eyes about making good bug reports for future reference.
[19:58] <wxl> and also if i've got good reporters like chris, i might simply ask for info rather than doing it all myself
[19:58] <wxl> but even then, i will recreate it
[19:59] <KGIII> Yeah, I can see why that'd take you a ton of time.
[20:00] <wxl> admittedly i always have a vm ready so
[20:01] <wxl> you can get a sense of my approach to things with my response here https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/pcmanfm-qt-unable-to-move-files-to-folder/2088/12
[20:01] <wxl> i'm a bit meticulous, but that's what needs to happen
[20:01] <KGIII> I've been following that thread since day one, actually.
[20:02] <wxl> i'm hunting down some way of trying to figure it out right now
[20:12] <KGIII> In my 20.04 VM, I can easily move files to folders with nary a problem. So, I'm no help.
[20:13] <wxl> i know
[20:30] <KGIII> Why do some bugs have nothing happen to them? For example, there's this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bug/1884584 -- it's six months old and still 'new' and hasn't had anything happen to it that I can see.
[20:32] <wxl> apparently because the hplip bug triagers are not very busy
[20:32] <wxl> i can't do much about it without the hardware
 I am not sure on that one I don't know if we need someone else with that particualar hardware to try to confirm it as it might be a hardware bug a lot of devs won't have every printer imaginable either
[20:34] <KGIII> That makes sense for that one. Thanks. I'm still going through the bugs and reading to see what happens to them.
[20:34] <wxl> in general my philosophy is to punt non-lubuntu-specific bugs (i.e. things that we develop like lubuntu-artwork or lubuntu-default-settings or things not specific to the desktop environment or installer)
[20:35] <wxl> and it's absolutely the case that there's almost nothing that can be done about hardware specific issues :(
[20:36] <KGIII> That makes sense.
[20:39] <KGIII> Oh, nice! I just discovered the gear icon lets me add more columns (info) and I can sort by age.
[20:41] <wxl> oh yeah yep
[20:41] <wxl> and there's a more advanced search too
[20:42] <KGIII> Yeah, there's a ton of choices in there. I'm still figuring out what the buttons do - those that I should be pushing, at any rate. 
[21:03] <kc2bez> !standup
 Here
[21:04] <KGIII> Here.
[21:04] <lynorian> o/
[21:04] <wxl> yo
[21:04] <guiverc> o/
[21:05] <kc2bez> ack @Leokolb KGIII lynorian wxl guiverc
[21:05] <kc2bez> @Leokolb How are things with you?
 Great
[21:06] <kc2bez> cool, what is new?
 Testing as usual - Focal/Hirsute - 
 also tests/comparison on other flavors
 Lubuntu installing/booting/fastest/easiest by far
 Added to my test arsenal - now 16 machines avail + VirtBox/QEMU
[21:07] <kc2bez> wow
 Thats it ...done
[21:07] <wxl> 16 shooooooot
[21:07] <guiverc> :) & Wow @Leokolb
[21:07] <wxl> beowulf cluster here you come
[21:07] <kc2bez> Nice, thanks for the testing!
[21:07] <wxl> thanks leo!!!
[21:08] <wxl> @KGIII: you're up
[21:08] <kc2bez> KGIII: over to you
[21:08] <KGIII> Pidgin crashed...
[21:08] <KGIII> I've been able to keep up with the testing. I've settled into my 'role' as the person that does the 
[21:08] <KGIII> live testing. I don't mind, it takes some time but I'll enjoy it. The good news is that I'm starting to have more free time again. So, I'm starting to look at other things I can do. That's everyting - and thanks everyone for your contributions.
[21:08] <guiverc> thank you KGIII 
[21:08] <wxl> (he's been looking at bug triage this morning which has me SUPER excited)
[21:08] <kc2bez> Thanks KGIII !
 thanks KGIII
[21:08] <KGIII> NP
[21:09] <kc2bez> Nice, bugs always need help.
[21:09] <wxl> ok lyn off to you
[21:09] <lynorian> so I did some editing on the text of lxqtpanel in the manual
[21:09] <lynorian> I also edited some of Kcalc and discover
[21:10] <lynorian> and updated some version numbers to match new stuff in hirsuite
[21:10] <wxl> nice!
[21:10] <lynorian> that is really all I did
[21:10] <kc2bez> Awesome!
[21:11] <wxl> you keep our manual alive and for that you are awesome (you're awesome anyways actually ☺)
 tks lyn
[21:11] <guiverc> thank you lynorian , as I've stated before, the manual is a GODSEND when it comes to supporting users
[21:11] <wxl> ^ that
[21:12] <kc2bez> I completely agree.
[21:12] <kc2bez> wxl: your turn.
[21:12] <wxl> oh duh
[21:13] <wxl> * BUG TRIAGE 
[21:13] <wxl>    * Set old bugs as incomplete. Likely invalid at this point.
[21:13] <wxl>      * 1869292, 1750262
[21:13] <wxl>    * Closed yet another bug about lubuntu.net.
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu.me/issues/2#issuecomment-764889860
[21:13] <wxl>  * DOCUMENTATION
[21:13] <wxl>    * Added note to packaging-versions about minimum version number.
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://phab.lubuntu.me/phriction/diff/16/?l=3&r=4
[21:13] <wxl>  * MISCELLANEOUS
[21:13] <wxl>    * Added a couple custom Lenny emoji to Discourse for grins.
[21:13] <wxl>      * e.g. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-hirsute-hippo-21-04-artwork-contest/1955/11
[21:13] <wxl>    * Inquired about adding questions to Discobot
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-customize-discobot/103633/15
[21:13] <wxl>    * Added some members to the Lubuntu Desktop team that had applied before.
[21:13] <wxl>    * Inquired about getting an SRU for x11 to fix bug 1782984.
[21:13] <wxl>      * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2021-January/018930.html
[21:13] <wxl>      * Inspired by https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-18-04-with-libx11-1-7-0
[21:13] <wxl> my todo is actually the same as last time sigh
[21:14] <KGIII> wxl *always* seems to have the biggest list. (Thanks, by the way.)
[21:14] <wxl> it's probably just the way i write it all out XD
[21:14] <wxl> i mean if you listed every test you did, you'd win :)
[21:14] <guiverc> thank you wxl, steady, reliable & around...
[21:14] <wxl> one other thing i'll mention
 yeah tks wxl
[21:15] <wxl> the lubuntu council has started discussing getting elections going for that
[21:15] <wxl> happy to help :)
[21:15] <kc2bez> Elections are on my TODO list
[21:16] <kc2bez> Thanks as always wxl
[21:16] <wxl> yeppers
[21:16] <kc2bez> guiverc: over to you
[21:16] <guiverc> me, not a lot.   usual support (thanks also to wxl, kgiii & others I see there) but I've spent less time I fear than usual.  minor testing; largely https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/exploration-of-lp-1864787-sfdisk-force-append-dev-sda/2074/5 as requested  .. not re-created but I'll re-try with btrfs when I can  (bug that can be ignored anyway for now)
[21:16]  * guiverc done
[21:17] <kc2bez> Thanks guiverc
[21:17] <kc2bez> I don't have too much.
 thanks guiverc
[21:17] <kc2bez> I reviewed https://phab.lubuntu.me/D104
[21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] New upstream version.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D104
[21:17] <wxl> i agree with your assertion on that guiverc. and you HAVE been helping on support so no worries
[21:17] <wxl> OH DUH i reviewed that too!
[21:18] <kc2bez> Yup, you missed one :P
[21:18] <wxl> (which ultimately led to the late night mental machinations with regards to minimum version numbers XD)
[21:18] <kc2bez> I sent a couple of tweets out, reminding folks of the artwork contest and one about the non-English support options.
[21:19] <kc2bez> I've got a start on Minimal install. https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[21:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] consider minimal install: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[21:20] <kc2bez> As I mentioned my TODO has Council elections.
[21:20] <kc2bez> That is it, I think.
[21:20] <wxl> oh yeah that's good stuff (minimal)
[21:20] <kc2bez> I think I can make it happen.
[21:20] <guiverc> thank you kc2bez , you're also always around, steady, reliable worker always ready to help.. thank you
[21:20] <wxl> i wouldn't sweat the list right now. let
[21:21] <wxl> s get something implemented first
[21:21] <wxl> thanks a ton for your always help dan!
 tks dan ..
[21:21] <kc2bez> np, happy to do what I can.
[21:21] <kc2bez> Anyone else, anything else?
[21:22]  * KGIII raises hand
[21:22] <KGIII> Why are some things duplicated? - additional drivers, full upgrade, software sources, alternatives config, etc... It'd be sleaker to get rid of those - and the non-functional 'hibernate' option.
[21:22] <wxl> there's more than one explanation for that
[21:22] <kc2bez> Why do things show in multiple categories? 
[21:23] <wxl> but i will say one thing about hibernate: i don't think we can exactly remove it since it does work for some people.
[21:23] <KGIII> They're in the menu twice.
[21:23] <kc2bez> That is based on the desktop file for the application.
[21:23] <wxl> there shouldn't be a separate alt config. is there?
[21:24] <kc2bez> Some desktop files have multiple categories.
[21:24] <KGIII> And? That seems needless from a UI perspective.
[21:24] <lynorian> also I wonder what is going on with picom and the settings in compton-conf
[21:24] <wxl> KGIII: i guess what i'd say is we need to look at each one individually
[21:24] <KGIII> Software Sources does the same thing no matter where you start it from.
[21:24] <wxl> lynorian: there's a task for that but it hasn't been dealt with yet
[21:24] <KGIII> LOL I planned on mentioning the picom/compton thing as well.
[21:25] <wxl> maybe if i'd stop worrying about getting custom discourse emojis i could fix that XD
[21:25] <kc2bez> Lenny is cute
[21:25] <wxl> KGIII: i will say that it's important to consider the xdg/freedesktop specification here because we are bound by it to some degree
[21:26] <KGIII> You mentioned reading that. Link me to it sometime this week?
[21:26] <wxl> and also there's the fact that the lxqt implementation isn't always perfect, which is why the "install system" option exists in the men even though it doesn't have all the lubuntu stuff in it
[21:26] <wxl> 1s
[21:27] <KGIII> Speaking of Lenny, is it possible to buy the winner of the art contest a mug and have it shipped directly to them?
[21:27] <KGIII> I'll buy 'em a mug. I ain't scared.
[21:27] <KGIII> But only if I don't have to screw around with remailing it.
[21:27] <lynorian> that could lead to someone needing to give out their address and they may not want that
[21:27] <kc2bez> Blue Devil is one of the dupes. Here are the Categories from the desktop file Categories=Qt;KDE;X-Bluetooth;Network;System;
[21:28] <KGIII> Yeah, they may not. But they might want a mug!
[21:29] <KGIII> Maybe we can organize it in time for the next art contest. It's just a few bucks. It's probably too late to do it this time and we could make it optional for contestants in the next one.
[21:29] <kc2bez> Shipping things is sort of hard, we probably could give them credit in the merch store though.
[21:31] <KGIII> We can make it something to consider in the next contest. I'm willing to fund it. It makes more sense to do that than to change in the middle of the contest anyhow.
[21:33] <kc2bez> Sure, that makes sense. 
[21:34] <KGIII> I'll put it in my text document for Lubuntu stuff and remind you before the next art contest begins.
[21:35] <kc2bez> Perfect. I need reminders XD
[21:35] <RyuKurisu[m]> Usually there's a standup meeting on Thursday? 🤔
[21:35] <RyuKurisu[m]> Anyway if I've read it correctly you can have a separate picom configuration file, at least with 8.0 and up.  As long as they've done everything outlined in the development documentation. 
[21:35] <KGIII> Consider it done. I'll remember.
[21:35]  * guiverc needs reminders too
[21:36] <kc2bez> Yes, we try to meet on Thursdays RyuKurisu[m] We can add you to the call out list if you want.
[21:37] <kc2bez> We don't have to though. You can always just drop by too.
[21:39] <wxl> sorry got called away by real life
[21:40] <RyuKurisu[m]> That's my preference because I don't have much time to join meetings, I'm glad if I've got some time to tinker with Linux/Lubuntu 
[21:40] <wxl> i like KGIII's idea of a gift for the winner. and i agree with @kc2bez about a credit. someone want to pose that to the lubuntu council (lubuntu-council@lists.ubuntu.com) and we can vote on it?
[21:41] <KGIII> wxl: Is it this: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/
[21:41] <kc2bez> Sounds good RyuKurisu[m] If you have something to bring up you can always drop it to one of us that are usually around.
[21:41] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "sorry got called away by real li"> No problem, usually I read back the meeting and was curious now that it wasn't here 😅
[21:42] <wxl> @KGIII: yep. this one is relevant here https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[21:42] <KGIII> wxl: Thanks. I'll go ahead and try to get all of them read, just because. Or at least skimmed...
[21:43] <wxl> KGIII: the nice thing about reading those is that basically every desktop environment implements them, so those are essentially the rules that govern how desktop environments are supposed to work
[21:43] <KGIII> Nice. I expect to learn a great deal. I've got more free time to work with now.
[21:46] <RyuKurisu[m]> <kc2bez "Sounds good RyuKurisu If you hav"> I've decided to friendly decline the developer's wish to keep the XScreenSaver image unaltered.
[21:47] <RyuKurisu[m]> Or do you have that stored that away somewhere else wxl ?
[21:48] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: to change the flaming display image you have to recompile. so that means making a change to the xscreensaver package that would affect anyone using it, including but not limited to lubuntu. i doubt you'd get much support for that from ubuntu developers. 
[21:48] <wxl> (let alone debian ones)
[21:49] <wxl> we can change a lot of things through settings, as we already have done with a bunch of things in xscreensaver. that's just not one of them
[21:55] <RyuKurisu[m]> Ugh, why is it compiled in instead of a separate image?  Couldn't he enforce the same limitations to a separate file as something merged?
[21:55] <RyuKurisu[m]> But I'm going to guess it *isn't as secure* as the current solution? 😔
[21:55] <wxl> you'd have to ask him
[21:59] <RyuKurisu[m]> BTW about that colour palette; I haven't given it much thought yet, but we are pretty close to the Nord colour palette: https://www.nordtheme.com/#palettes-modularity
[22:00] <wxl> to my eyes that seems a bit dark
[22:00] <wxl> relative to what we have used, i mean
[22:00] <wxl> not that it's bad
[22:01] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "you'd have to ask him"> You think he is willing to discuss technical merits over something he's very keen to have unaltered? 😂
[22:01] <wxl> i think it's quite possible
[22:01] <wxl> depending on your approach
[22:03] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "to my eyes that seems a bit dark"> There are 15 different Nord colour palettes: https://www.nordtheme.com/docs/colors-and-palettes
[22:04] <wxl> neat
[22:06] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "depending on your approach"> First of all I don't know how to get in contact with the developer, secondly I don't think I have enough time to find out, and lastly I think I'll be too blunt 😔
[22:07] <wxl> https://www.jwz.org/about.html
[22:07] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "neat"> Maybe I would be an idea to adhere to any of those colour palettes?
[22:07] <wxl> err https://www.jwz.org/contact.html
[22:07] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: i'm not against it. i'd say make a proposal with some screenshots (or at least a mockup of some kind)
[22:09] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "RyuKurisu: i'm not against it. i"> Will do that.  I could make a VM to play with for anyone interested? 
[22:10] <RyuKurisu[m]> Anyone, I'm off to bed 😴
[22:10] <wxl> if you like, sure
[22:10] <wxl> but i think pics will do fine
[22:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#4082
[23:12] <wxl> WHOA
[23:12] <wxl> i didn't even know this existed https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-panel/pull/1282
[23:12] <wxl> ^ N0um3n0 you'll want to know about this
[23:13] <wxl> if you add the kbindicator widget to the panel, install iso-flags-svg, and then edit the "flags path pattern" value of the widget to /usr/share/iso-flags-svg/country-4x3/%1.svg you will get flags instead of country names!
 Wow! Merged, nice.
 do we ship the kbindicator widget in the panel
[23:13] <wxl> we should make that a default i think
 We don't currently. (re @lynorian: do we ship the kbindicator widget in the panel)
 Many distros have the status indicator, (C, N, S or whatever) but most do not ship the language flag. I can see it being well received.
[23:16] <wxl> i think both would be nice personally but that's my 2¢
 it also is not in list of applets to be added  to the panel so II did noot know it existed
[23:17] <wxl> this is why we need more developers who are not native english speakers/writers
 I think they are nice but they do eat up some panel real estate.
[23:17] <wxl> if we had one good one it would be heaven sent
[23:17] <wxl> personally i think the flags are a minimum. we used to ship in lxde afaik
 I'm language poor I am afraid. I can read and get the general sense of spanish sometimes but I struggle.
[23:20] <wxl> i can understand it pretty well but it doesn't mean i really undestand it
[23:20] <wxl> like what it's like to have to deal with a world of english
 I think the main point is to see the keyboard layout easier
[23:20] <wxl> and keyboards that don't deal well with the characters i need to use
 That totally makes sense. I am good with the change. (re @lynorian: I think the main point is to see the keyboard layout easier)
[23:21] <wxl> me too
[23:21] <wxl> i'll make a task
 maybe we should link it on the upstream things to watch for too
[23:28] <wxl> so dumb question but are there binaries available for download with ci? am i blind?
 Yes. In the PPA.
[23:28] <wxl> oh ok
[23:28] <wxl> i was looking at the web interface itself
 right
[23:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T186: add keyboard layout flag] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T186
 Hi! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> this is why we need more developers who are not native english speakers/writers)
 You were refering to non native English speaker??? 😂 (re @kc2bez: I think they are nice but they do eat up some panel real estate.)
[23:41] <wxl> @HMollerCl oh hi! if only you weren't busy :''''(
 Yup
[23:49] <wxl> man i love scaled mode in vbox
[23:51] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#DZDRT-exe6XgwNwaDgzJlw
[23:53] <kc2bez> Nice! That is pretty,  Awesome too  XD
[23:53] <wxl> hey they don't call it awesome for nothing XD
[23:54] <wxl> but i just love the little vbox window hiding there, it fills me with joy XD
[23:55] <wxl> ever try to do video feedback with remote desktop solutions? that's fun, too. 
[23:55] <kc2bez> For sure
[23:59] <wxl> guiverc: not sure you saw but this is a bug not a support issue. so should we remove from the unanswered support requests? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1309787/why-keyboard-layout-switch-keys-dont-work-correctly-for-the-specific-english-pe