[00:29] <cmaloney>  rip mix burn
[00:29] <cmaloney> iirc
[00:29] <cmaloney> https://www.macworld.com/article/2934175/think-retro-rip-rip-mix-burn.html
[01:15] <jrwren> rip mix burn!
[01:15] <jrwren> TY TY
[01:46] <cmaloney> yw
[02:06] <mechpilotace> so I never got an answer on viable firefox alternatives, I guess people are keen on librewolf
[02:07] <mechpilotace> but I don't have any experince with it
[02:07] <cmaloney> Honestly I'd stick with Firefox for now. That post they made seemed like they were trying to get folks to be more transparent rather than censorship
[02:07] <cmaloney> eg: "this is a paid advertisement" stuff
[02:10] <mechpilotace> yah i'm just worried yah know, "give em an inch they'll take a mile" right?
[02:10] <cmaloney> Understandable
[02:10] <cmaloney> but right now Firefox isn't in a great spot for dictating things likethis
[02:11] <mechpilotace> on the otherhad doesn't seem like I have much of a choice either since I definately don't want to use chrome based solutions
[02:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, considering the "big four" browsers are 2 for webkit, one for khtml (pre-webkit) and Mozilla...
[02:15] <mechpilotace> whenever I think about webkit, it just makes me think about all the console exploits
[02:16] <cmaloney> Heh
[02:17] <mechpilotace> sony was so bad about updating that, also isn't it weird that they had linux available on the PS3 and PS2? When those OS's were based on FreeBSD? Why not just have a BSD on them?
[02:17] <cmaloney> Because having a Linux was a selling point
[02:18] <mechpilotace> does BSD have that much hate?
[02:18] <cmaloney> but then they shut that off when they realized it was an exploit
[02:18] <cmaloney> Not as much mindshare
[02:18] <cmaloney> Linux was new and interesting technology back in the 2000s
[02:19] <cmaloney> They were touting it as a supercomputer
[02:19] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster
[02:19] <mechpilotace> also as a side note, I found that design pattens book for people interesed https://www.textbooks.com/Design-Patterns-Elements-of-Reusable-Object-Oriented-Software/9780201633610/Erich-Gamma.php?CSID=2QQUJO2OJDMUMTTQDCDTMUSCB
[02:19] <cmaloney> so having Linux on it was just another foot-in-the-door for supercomputers
[02:20] <mechpilotace> well since BSD is more permissive you would think that gov and others would be more interested right?
[02:20] <cmaloney> BSD also had a lot of legal issues in the 1990s that hampered them
[02:20] <mechpilotace> As a fanboy I think there is alot of cool things going on in *BSD land but nobody seems to notice
[02:21] <mechpilotace> well yah I guess the all the proprietery dealings right?
[02:21] <cmaloney> x86 unix was not in a healthy state
[02:23] <mechpilotace> yah I guess thats true, guess it just makes me more hip lmao
[02:23] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Lawsuit
[02:24] <cmaloney> Plus you had a lot of proprietary UNIX variants like Xenix, SunOS (on the 386i)
[02:24] <mechpilotace> do you think if that wasn't the case that it would be more widely adopted?
[02:24] <cmaloney> hard to say
[02:25] <cmaloney> I think it didn't help
[02:25] <cmaloney> but Linux also hit at the right time with the right price
[02:25] <mechpilotace> Personally, there are alot of things that BSD does better and Linux does better but I don't see nearly the amount of interest in BSD anymore
[02:26] <mechpilotace> Yah definalty Linus struck at the right time
[02:26] <mechpilotace> and thats half the battle
[02:26] <cmaloney> distribution was free, the kernel was decent, and it was essentially a Sun Workstation on a PC for a fraction of the cost
[02:26] <cmaloney> and the GNU project had enough time to get good or better versions of UNIX tools
[02:27] <cmaloney> for me it was near the end of college when Linux hit
[02:28] <cmaloney> and it gained momentum right as I was getting weaned off of the Sun SPARC workstations in college
[02:28] <mechpilotace> yah deffinately, all that is a big + for linux, but the easier to understand init system and lower LoC count on all the BSD utilites would make me think that people would come to BSD too but I'm the only person I know that evens runs it lol
[02:28] <cmaloney> and wound up at Wayne State in their college of engineering as a student employee (but not a student)
[02:29] <cmaloney> and one of the guys there handed me a Linux disc so I didn't have to make all the floppies
[02:29] <cmaloney> and another guy sold me his old 486SX20
[02:29] <cmaloney> (Compudyne)
[02:29] <cmaloney> I was dual-booting that between Windows / DOS and Linux
[02:30] <cmaloney> and then I just got tired of not being in Linux so I stopped dual-booting.
[02:30] <mechpilotace> Is it weird that that I feel nostalgic for that time in computing even though I never lived it? I guess thats what being a millenial is all about
[02:31] <cmaloney> Well, there's a certain newness to it
[02:31] <cmaloney> it's like my generation pining for Woodstock even though it was a paroody by the time we knew anything about it
[02:31] <mechpilotace> I am getting to that point now, I just wish proton was on more platforms and funded better, all *nix
[02:31] <cmaloney> some folks just get charmed by it
[02:32] <mechpilotace> games are the only propriety software that I feel bound too
[02:32] <cmaloney> I had some problems getting proton to work on my machine because my steam is under /usr/local/games and unfortunately AppImage needs special tweaking ito make it work.
[02:33] <mechpilotace> yah by the time limp bisket was at woodstock it was 7 levels deep of irony
[02:33] <cmaloney> The main thing that was magical for me was that it was the power that I felt on those Sun Workstations on this PC computer
[02:33] <cmaloney> multitasking was a hell of a drug
[02:34] <cmaloney> still is.
[02:34] <mechpilotace> oh really? it worked great on my machine just from the steam menu no configuring (intel nuc 8th gen i3 ubuntu 18.04)
[02:34] <cmaloney> I also came from an Atari 8bit computer and my parents 286 computer
[02:34] <cmaloney> I couldn't get shit working under Proton. I finally gave up
[02:34] <cmaloney> not that I have a bunch of Windows games queued up.
[02:35] <cmaloney> but JoDee was looking at No Man's Sky and we didn't want to drop $60 on frustration
[02:35] <mechpilotace> basically what won me over was the "man" command, and then my quest for more minimal implementation of things and suckless lead me to the BSD's
[02:35] <cmaloney> I love Wine, but it can be an unpredictible pain
[02:35] <mechpilotace> yah I cou
[02:35] <cmaloney> I got some games working under it and they worked great until they didn't.
[02:36] <mechpilotace> * yah my dumbass couldn't get wine configured but proton works great since I am remvoed completely
[02:36] <cmaloney> and then it just disappeared and I was left with nothing
[02:36] <cmaloney> Crossover as well
[02:36] <cmaloney> though I upgraded crossover and now my MS Office 2007 no longer works (Parent's copy) so now I'm Libreoffice only
[02:36] <mechpilotace> the big thing for maximum compatebilty, is to run the latest version, which is not on steam, need to get it from github
[02:38] <cmaloney> right
[02:39] <mechpilotace> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUQXF4iagc0
[02:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, eventually I'll play with it again
[02:41] <cmaloney> but I have enough Linux-only stuff that I haven't played that I'm not bothered to keep whacking my head against it
[02:42] <cmaloney> https://dfarq.homeip.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/compudyne-pc.jpg <- This is the compudyne case that I had
[02:42] <cmaloney> loved this case because it looked like a Sparcstation
[02:42] <cmaloney> wish they made more stuff like this
[02:43] <cmaloney> it survived a motherboard swap before it became too much of a pain to keep using, which is when I started using other cases
[02:43] <cmaloney> like the Inwin q500
[02:43] <cmaloney> http://www.dansdata.com/images/buildpc/320/case.JPG
[02:43] <cmaloney> this thing was a fucking monster of a case
[02:44] <cmaloney> I had two full-height SCSI drives in there from a SGI server that my friend parted out
[02:45] <cmaloney> anywho, need to head AFK for the evening. TTYL!
[02:58] <mechpilotace> oh dang yah that just looks like a SUN system, the bummer is that the real SUN UltraSparc's are more than a PC now
[18:46] <mechpilotace> just got wee-slack setup at work, its great
[18:51] <cmaloney> yeah, it's freaking amazing
[19:05] <mechpilotace> on just using weechat for this irc here, is there a config file that you can put servers and creds for auto-login?
[19:08] <cmaloney> yes, though I'm not recallig it offhand
[19:09] <cmaloney> just look up freenode nickserv weechat and you should get some details
[19:11] <jrwren> `.