[02:18] <callmepk> good morning
[03:13] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[03:18] <callmepk> morning duflu
[03:19] <pieq> Hello there!
[03:20] <duflu> Hi pieq 
[04:12] <pieq> A friend of mine has a laptop with a HDD and a SSD. Windows is installed on the HDD, and he would like to install Ubuntu on the SSD. During Ubuntu install, he is asked to choose where to install the bootloader. Should he select the drive with Windows installed, or the one where Ubuntu is going to be installed?
[04:12] <pieq> duflu, ^ do you know?
[04:30] <duflu> pieq, out of safety I would recommend putting it on the Ubuntu SSD. Your BIOS boot menu will let you choose which... But also dual boot (putting the bootloader on the Windows drive) works fine so long as you install Ubuntu second. I just haven't done the latter in many years so have lost confidence
[04:42] <duflu> pieq, then again the BIOS boot menu idea might be a bad one. For the best user experience putting the boot loader on the Windows drive (which presumably already boots) might be easiest to live with
[06:04] <jibel> Good morning
[06:06] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[06:20] <jibel> hi duflu 
[06:50] <didrocks> good morning
[06:53] <jibel> Salut didrocks 
[06:56] <didrocks> salut jibel 
[06:59] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[06:59] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[08:08] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:10] <jibel> salut seb128 
[08:10] <didrocks> hey seb128 
[08:20] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu pieq jibel didrocks seb128
[08:20] <duflu> Hi seb128 and marcustomlinson 
[08:23] <seb128> hey jibel, didrocks marcustomlinson callmepk duflu 
[08:24] <RikMills> morning
[08:27] <RikMills> jibel Laney - I guess no ubiquity upload now before the weekend? if so, I am just landing new Plasma, so would you mind re-testing the kde change on Monday to make sure nothing changed to scupper the fix? I don't think it will, but the upstream changelog is big enough to not be 100% sure
[08:34] <jibel> RikMills, hi, Lukasz wanted to do a release today. Not sure if he'll do it finally.
[08:34] <jibel> I'll retest anyway as I've other things to merge
[08:35] <RikMills> jibel: thank you!
[08:36] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, seb128, RikMills 
[08:44] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:45] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN
[08:50] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN 
[08:52] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, marcustomlinson, didrocks 
[08:52] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN 
[08:53] <oSoMoN> salut jibel 
[08:53] <jibel> hi marcustomlinson 
[09:01] <Laney> yo
[09:01] <jibel> Salut Laney 
[09:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:03] <marcustomlinson> yohoho Laney
[09:06] <Laney> moin jibel duflu marcustomlinson 
[09:09] <oSoMoN> bonjour Laney 
[09:14] <seb128> hey Laney, oSoMoN, how are you?
[09:18] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, I'm alright, and you?
[09:25] <Laney> hey oSoMoN and seb128 
[09:25] <Laney> feeling tired today!
[09:25] <Laney> but it really is Friday unlike fake Friday I had the other day
[09:25]  * Laney double checks that
[09:25] <Laney> yes indeed
[09:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, a bit tired but ok otherwise, almost the weekend (though that might not be more relaxing...)
[09:54] <seb128> didrocks, Trevinho, I've created https://trello.com/c/7YXicmhH/232-help-yaru-with-the-new-gtk-build and added you since you usually work with the yaru theme, Frederik stated on discourse that he would welcome help with the build system to build the new GTK theme
[09:54] <seb128> unsure if any of you think they will have some free slots to help them?
[09:58] <didrocks> unsure about free slots before FF, but let’s see
[09:58] <didrocks> I guess as long as done before UIF
[10:03] <seb128> I don't even think it needs an UIF since it's adding something not existing
[10:03] <seb128> it's not changing any UI
[10:09] <didrocks> yeah
[10:09] <didrocks> well, we provide some extra "features" -> theming non default apps
[10:09] <didrocks> which migrated
[10:09] <didrocks> so, hum
[10:10] <didrocks> ok, if Marco doesn’t beat me to it, I’ll have a look
[10:35] <seb128> bah, IRC disconnected
[10:35] <seb128> didrocks, unsure if you got my reply, in case not ' I don't even think it needs an UIF since it's adding something not existing, it's not changing any UI'
[10:36] <seb128> though if it's built or included in yaru it might be considered as a feature, but should be an easy exception to get
[10:39] <seb128> Laney, thanks for fixing autopilot (I still don't understand why the call is failing now on armhf but at least it should workaround it)
[10:45] <Laney> I dunno why it *worked* to be honest, maybe a udev update made it fail
[10:46] <Laney> and np
[10:46] <Laney> guess I can copy bamf now 
[11:22] <seb128> Laney, I don't understand 4078194e in the gtk3 repository, was it wanted to delete files in the source directly rather than do some debian/patches change? it creates a conflict when I try to merge debian/master which I'm unsure how to resolve
[11:35] <Mirv> Trevinho: could you add "0a5c:5842" Dell Precision 7550 to https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/wiki/-/wikis/Unsupported%20Devices as I see you are a member in that team? or add me so I can add
[12:48] <Laney> seb128: no, the clean rule deletes files so if you commit with -a you can accidentally trash them, just revert those files back to what is in the upstream for that revision
[12:49] <Laney> e.g. git restore -s upstream/<the version> <the files>
[12:49] <seb128> Laney, but then there is no chance corresponding to the changelog edit?
[12:49] <seb128> change*
[12:49] <seb128> or was that in a previous commit just without changelog summary?
[12:50] <Laney> yes that's normally how it would be done
[12:51] <seb128> k, gbp dch style
[12:51] <Laney> yup
[12:51] <seb128> I need to get used to that, I still do add the changelog entry and debcommit -e to generate the commit message
[12:51] <seb128> which is the reverse way
[12:52] <xnox> i wonder if i should add inverse "debcommit" mode
[12:52] <xnox> i.e. commit everything but debian/changelog using the commit message from debian/changelog; and then follow that up with a standalone commit of changelog entry =)
[12:53] <xnox> no idea how to make debcommit aware that gbp dch will be used to release/upload.
[12:54] <Laney> heh
[12:54] <Laney> for people addicted to editing debian/changelog
[12:57] <seb128> _o/ :-)
[12:58] <seb128> well I think either way is fine, it's a matter of personnal preference. It's just that writting the commit message allows you to give a version description which is different from the changelog summary
[12:58] <seb128> but you often don't need the details
[12:59] <seb128> verbose description*
[12:59] <xnox> seb128:  well by default gbp dch does that.... only the first line/paragraph goes into debian/changelog, all additional paragraphs end up in the git commit only.
[13:00] <seb128> right, which what I said
[13:00] <xnox> i need more coffee
[13:00] <xnox> this has been a long week.
[13:00] <seb128> if you write a one line commit message they are equivalents
[13:00] <seb128> git commit; gbp dch
[13:00] <seb128> or dch; debcommit -e
[13:01] <xnox> working on fridays sucks; after having fridays off for 3 months; the full work week is a drag.
[13:01] <seb128> heh :-)
[13:01] <Laney> For me it's because it lets you cherry pick cleanly, and keeps the diff of the change to just the change itself
[13:01] <Laney> but it's not that common to cherry pick so no the end of the world
[13:01]  * Laney hands xnox a hot towel
[13:03]  * seb128 learns about git restore
[13:04] <Laney> 😎
[13:04] <Laney> they added some more friendly commands semi-recently
[13:04] <Laney> check out git switch too
[13:05] <seb128> I should maybe glance over the new git version notes to pick up new cool stuffs
[13:05] <seb128> thanks for the hints!
[14:53] <oSoMoN> I'm seeing an interesting shell bug (groovy): most (but not all) icons on my desktop have disappeared. The files/folders are there, but they are not visible on the desktop. Known bug?
[14:57] <seb128> oSoMoN, reminds me of bug #1883174
[14:57] <seb128> which seems random, icons are often back after a shell reload
[15:04] <oSoMoN> seb128, that sounds like it indeed
[15:06] <oSoMoN> and I can confirm that reloading the shell restores the missing icons
[15:43] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:45] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth 
[15:50] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[15:57] <hellsworth> oh hey there guys :)
[16:16] <didrocks999> hey hellsworth :)
[16:16] <hellsworth> hey didrocks999 
[16:16] <didrocks999> 3 minutes before rebooting on hirsute, then, EOW (hopefully, if the reboot is fine :p)
[16:16] <hellsworth> well have a great weekend!
[16:17] <didrocks999> thx and that will depend on the reboot, really :) (well, almost :p)
[16:20]  * Laney wonders what this reboot is about 
[16:21] <didrocks> success \o/ have a good week-end everyone :)
[16:47] <seb128> bah, I don't understand the libunity build failure
[16:48] <seb128> it's due to the generated UnityExtras-7.0.typelib
[16:48] <seb128> compared to the one from the current deb which is working, a rebuild doesn't include a reference to 'libunity-extras.so.9' but unsure why...
[16:48] <seb128> which probalby is why it fails to load the library symbols
[16:51] <DavidPlanella[m]> hey seb128 thanks for your help with the Catalan translations import and o/ :-)
[17:13] <seb128> DavidPlanella[m], hey, sorry my IRC disconnect and I just noticed ;-)
[17:18] <dpm> no worries, I had some IRC issues myself :)
[17:18] <dpm> After nickserv authentication, I can now access the channel either via IRC or Matrix bridge
[17:18] <dpm> Have a great weekend everyone!
[17:26] <seb128> dpm, thanks and the same for you!
[18:15] <ogra> tkamppeter, do you plan to eventuall provide the printing-stack-snap for arm too ? (and is there a stable release planned at some point ?) 
[18:15] <ogra> *eventually