[03:01] good morning [03:18] hey TJ- o/ [03:18] morning :) [07:15] good morning [09:10] Good morning [09:12] morning === Guest61599 is now known as lordievader === Guest59280 is now known as lordievader [12:30] which one do you recommend for a laptop, the LTS version or the non-LTS? [12:32] ice9: is it a recent laptop? [12:33] lotuspsychje, yes [12:33] ice9: wich brand/model is it? [12:34] lotuspsychje, actually they are 2; one is acer which is 3 years old; the other is a new huawei matebook [12:34] stick with a LTS version, the interim releases are supported for 9 months only and are more or less a testbed for the next LTS release [12:35] on the LTS release you get HWE support which means a newer kernel with each point release iirc [12:36] so 20.04.2 will ship with the 5.8 kernel if i'm correct [12:36] it will be released on the 4th of february [12:37] ahhhhh [12:37] 20.04.2 that is [12:37] I was just going to ask [12:37] :) [12:37] Maik, there is no 21.04 release next april? [12:37] ice9: there is but it's also a interim release [12:38] ice9: it also depends on the purpose of your laptop(s) do YOU want a stable or a latest ubuntu release, its the users choice [12:38] next LTS will be 22.04 ice9 [12:38] ice9: if you want a stable workstation for a longer time stick with LTS. Simple as that. [12:39] does LTS get new updates ONLY for the security or also for new app features? [12:46] ice9: since the coming of snaps, we cant generalize statements of app versions anymore, both LTS and non lts are now a mix of stable and latest packages [12:48] ice9: every ubuntu release has their own package versions on apt and some apps always get updates like firefox to give one example [12:50] ice9: https://ubuntu.com/blog/what-is-an-ubuntu-lts-release [13:05] so it's seems that LTS is released with software developed in the previous 2 years; which means that LTS has 2 years old software right? [13:08] at least it is stable software [13:09] latest and greatest doesn't mean stability [13:10] CentOS and Debian use even older software packages [13:14] ice9: again, it's all up to you and your preferences. Want a stable workstation for daily usage and long support use a LTS release. Want more up to date software and shorter support use the interim releases. Always want to have the latest and greatest software with chance of breakage, go use a rolling release distro. [13:16] i myself been almost everywhere in the last 14 years, just give me a LTS release of Ubuntu or one of it's official flavors. Currently i use Ubuntu MATE 20.04.1 LTS on one machine. Another laptop is for helping testing the upcoming iso's. [14:07] conjo_: do you ever stop troll? [14:08] rofl im not man [14:08] sorry hey [16:53] why gnome gestures doesn't work on X11? [17:12] sounds like a question for #ubuntu [18:36] hi all i was going to install xrdp but, it installs gnome stuff. any better rdp server out there? [18:52] Tails: remmina comes by default on ubuntu-desktop now, try that perhaps? [19:06] since it's possible to achieve full disk encryption including boot, why the installer doesn't it support it out of the box? [19:07] ice9: probably because those installations increase complexity, and that would increase errors / support intensity [19:09] Tails: which "gnome stuff", exactly, and why do you insist on rdp rather than vnc? [19:13] i would choose vnc if its better [19:14] $ apt-rdepends xrdp 2>/dev/null | grep -c gnome [19:14] 0 [19:14] this is on 18.04 LTS [19:15] 0 on 20.04 too [19:16] ok [19:43] hi anybody here use a standalone window manager rather than a D.E [19:44] i3wm here [19:45] wsup sarnold [19:45] hope ur well [20:19] conjo: yeah, can't complain, all things considered [20:20] * daftykins gets sarnold a real cookie instead of the cat treats [20:20] COOOKIES nomnomnomnnom [20:36] COLA!!!!!! [20:36] >:) [20:37] * sarnold hides his Cock-n-bull [20:37] that's a local pub!