[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ- o/
[03:18] <TJ-> morning :)
[07:15] <ducasse> good morning
[09:10] <Guest61599> Good morning
[09:12] <marcoagpinto> morning
[12:30] <ice9> which one do you recommend for a laptop, the LTS version or the non-LTS?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> ice9: is it a recent laptop?
[12:33] <ice9> lotuspsychje, yes
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> ice9: wich brand/model is it?
[12:34] <ice9> lotuspsychje, actually they are 2;  one is acer which is 3 years old; the other is a new huawei matebook
[12:34] <Maik> stick with a LTS version, the interim releases are supported for 9 months only and are more or less a testbed for the next LTS release
[12:35] <Maik> on the LTS release you get HWE support which means a newer kernel with each point release iirc
[12:36] <Maik> so 20.04.2 will ship with the 5.8 kernel if i'm correct
[12:36] <Maik> it will be released on the 4th of february
[12:37] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[12:37] <Maik> 20.04.2 that is
[12:37] <marcoagpinto> I was just going to ask
[12:37] <Maik> :)
[12:37] <ice9> Maik, there is no 21.04 release next april?
[12:37] <Maik> ice9: there is but it's also a interim release
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> ice9: it also depends on the purpose of your laptop(s) do YOU want a stable or a latest ubuntu release, its the users choice
[12:38] <Maik> next LTS will be 22.04 ice9
[12:38] <Maik> ice9: if you want a stable workstation for a longer time stick with LTS. Simple as that.
[12:39] <ice9> does LTS get new updates ONLY for the security or also for new app features?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> ice9: since the coming of snaps, we cant generalize statements of app versions anymore, both LTS and non lts are now a mix of stable and latest packages
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> ice9: every ubuntu release has their own package versions on apt and some apps always get updates like firefox to give one example
[12:50] <Maik> ice9: https://ubuntu.com/blog/what-is-an-ubuntu-lts-release
[13:05] <ice9> so it's seems that LTS is released with software developed in the previous 2 years; which means that LTS has 2 years old software right?
[13:08] <Maik> at least it is stable software
[13:09] <Maik> latest and greatest doesn't mean stability
[13:10] <Maik> CentOS and Debian use even older software packages
[13:14] <Maik> ice9: again,  it's all up to you and your preferences. Want a stable workstation for daily usage and long support use a LTS release. Want more up to date software and shorter support use the interim releases. Always want to have  the latest and greatest software with chance of breakage, go use a rolling release distro.
[13:16] <Maik> i myself been almost everywhere in the last 14 years, just give me a LTS release of Ubuntu or one of it's official flavors. Currently i use Ubuntu MATE 20.04.1 LTS on one machine. Another laptop is for helping testing the upcoming iso's.
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> conjo_: do you ever stop troll?
[14:08] <conjo_> rofl im not man
[14:08] <conjo_> sorry hey
[16:53] <ice9> why gnome gestures doesn't work on X11?
[17:12] <Ussat> sounds like a question for #ubuntu
[18:36] <Tails> hi all i was going to install xrdp but, it installs gnome stuff. any better rdp server out there?
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> Tails: remmina comes by default on ubuntu-desktop now, try that perhaps?
[19:06] <ice9> since it's possible to achieve full disk encryption including boot, why the installer doesn't it support it out of the box?
[19:07] <tomreyn> ice9: probably because those installations increase complexity, and that would increase errors / support intensity
[19:09] <tomreyn> Tails: which "gnome stuff", exactly, and why do you insist on rdp rather than vnc?
[19:13] <Tails> i would choose vnc if its better
[19:14] <tomreyn> $ apt-rdepends xrdp 2>/dev/null | grep -c gnome
[19:14] <tomreyn> 0
[19:14] <tomreyn> this is on 18.04 LTS
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> 0 on 20.04 too
[19:16] <Tails> ok
[19:43] <conjo> hi anybody here use a standalone window manager rather than a D.E
[19:44] <sarnold> i3wm here
[19:45] <conjo> wsup sarnold
[19:45] <conjo> hope ur well
[20:19] <sarnold> conjo: yeah, can't complain, all things considered
[20:20]  * daftykins gets sarnold a real cookie instead of the cat treats
[20:20] <sarnold> COOOKIES nomnomnomnnom
[20:36] <marcoagpinto> COLA!!!!!!
[20:36] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[20:37]  * sarnold hides his Cock-n-bull
[20:37] <daftykins> that's a local pub!