[04:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:30] <ducasse> good morning
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[11:29] <TJ-> hiho
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: this bug still haunts me across all kernel versions, any ideas what else i can try? bug #1807818
[11:32] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: have you tried the ubiquitous acpi_osi workaround?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> dont think so
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> its hard to catch also, as it only occurs 1 time a month or so
[11:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: is there any correlation of uptime, or number of suspend/resume cycles
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i dont suspend and resume here, every day cold boots and halts
[11:42] <TJ-> humidity?
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> no
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> sometimes i need 2 reboots to fix it
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> then its fixed again for another month
[11:45] <TJ-> a couple weeks ago Cal was complaining the pointer was moving randonly and he couldn't control it. Turned the BT mouse off and realised it was caused by the touchpad. I put a drop of water on the touchpad and it stopped mis-behaving (due to the capacitance) - he was incredulous. I told him the problem ws likely humidity in the layers of the touchpad. Turned out he'd been leaving the laptop
[11:45] <TJ-> in  his kitchen in a location that got hot and cold by turns, which would help humidity to form
[11:46] <TJ-> a few hours later it had dried out and was fine again
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i try to cleanse touchpad and screen once a month with anti static liquid, but doesnt happen nearby cleaning
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> i dont spill cola neither :p
[11:49] <TJ-> it looks like a hardware issue in the dmesg with the interrupts not being serviced
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> pretty weird its on random right
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> welcome MightBeTrippin
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> start your poll here mate
[18:04] <MightBeTrippin> do you think that ubuntu's new homepage needs to be updated for more desktop user info? rn it's all enterprise stuff. imagine being a linux newbie and being reccomended ubuntu, the seeing this. you're probably gonna think that linux is all for servers if ubuntu, "the big one", is all about that
[18:06] <daftykins> i think you're right, it's barely easy to spot that it's a desktop OS at all from the current state of ubuntu.com
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> it used to have the ubuntu 'tour' did they remove that?
[18:09] <MightBeTrippin> yup. back when i was thinking about switching to linux for the first time, the tour was by far my favorite thing from the website
[18:10] <Maik> iirc everything is under the Download tab on the site, Doc, tutorials & stuff
[18:11] <Maik> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
[18:11] <Maik> like that one ^
[18:12] <daftykins> you might want to learn more before downloading though, so it's not very logical
[18:12] <MightBeTrippin> lmao the screens are so old i think that's pre-unity ubuntu
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah he's got a point
[18:12] <Maik> https://ubuntu.com/desktop
[18:13] <Maik> the screenshots used are from 18.04 LTS with Gnome 3
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> oh features are better
[18:13] <Maik> in the tutorial i meant
[18:14] <daftykins> having a link doesn't really help because to my mind, the only way you'd get there is if you were on ubuntu.com and scrolled right down to the footer for the text-only links
[18:14] <MightBeTrippin> imo trying to replace apt with snap was a bad move
[18:14] <Maik> apt is still being used
[18:15] <MightBeTrippin> ik, but they pushed snap a lot in 20.04
[18:15] <Maik> and they will even push it further, snap isn't new, it's been around for years now
[18:16] <Maik> if you don't want to use it then don't
[18:16] <MightBeTrippin> i used snap since the 17.10 days, it was nice as an alternative the gnome frontend, but not as a replacement
[18:17] <MightBeTrippin> the software center is kinda broken now, with both apt and snap variants of the same app
[18:18] <MightBeTrippin> i've always prefered using the command line for installing packages and sometimes aptitude too
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> isnt ubuntu.com also dynamic on new ubuntu releases? showing more desktop ads when it comes out?
[18:19] <MightBeTrippin> tbh i have no idea, i haven't visited it in a long time. maybe only once to download xenial as a rescue cd
[18:24] <daftykins> i'm sure it does flip over to touting a new release at the time, but i don't think it's right to hide away desktop as much as it is with the current design
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah you're right, would also love to see a tour/features on the front
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> but, could be perhaps a comercial think of canonical on purpose?
[18:26] <MightBeTrippin> what if, and hear me out, they split the page into 2 parts like opensuse's one, for enterprise and desktop use, adapting it to your choice
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> https://canonical.com/ ubuntu.com seems like a fork here :p
[18:26] <daftykins> definitely does seem like the focus is on the money making parts, yep
[18:27] <MightBeTrippin> wait, is mir a canonical product? wasn't it made by those guys who made ubuntu unity too?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> mir/wayland is used for iot and like passive kiosks
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> think Maik knows more of unity's/ubports evolution these days
[18:46] <Maik> not following UBports much, i only know that the changed the Unity8 name to Lomiri
[18:48] <Maik> Unity 7 is in maintenance mode and not being actively developed at all. They are planning to port it over to Github/Gitlab later this year to attract more people to get development going again.
[18:49] <Maik> Rudra from the Ubuntu Unity Remix started working on UnityX which will be a stand alone desktop environment based on GTK. No more Gnome dependencies and it won't be a Compiz plugin like Unity 7 was/is.
[18:49] <Maik> that's all i know
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> tnx Maik
[18:51] <Maik> you're welcome buddy
[18:52] <Maik> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/restarting-unity-development-in-2021-progress-report/20217