[05:38] Bummer, why is everything I want so hard to do or get? 😔 [07:32] wxl where did you check the availability of xsecurelock? https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/xsecurelock [07:38] It's actually available since focal: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xsecurelock&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all [08:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin/86/ [08:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin/86/ [09:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_pcmanfm-qt just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_pcmanfm-qt/89/ [09:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_pcmanfm-qt just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_pcmanfm-qt/89/ [09:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] 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hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin/86/ [20:03] Hirsute can install ksystemlog without any additional dependencies. For the record, ksystemlog is awesome. My end-user opinion is that it should be installed by default. ;-) [20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-qtplugin/87/ [20:09] i mean i can kind of see the logic but jeez it's so easy to grep [20:16] [telegram] unless you're a newbie wxl [20:17] [telegram] which 99% of users we see nowadays *are* :P [20:17] It's a lovely GUI presentation of your logs. It doesn't get any better than that! I've used it for quite a while as my default go-to when I want to check the logs for issues. Seeing as I'm constantly messing with stuff, it gets used fairly often. [20:18] Heck, I'm frequently telling folks to install it and check their logs when they're asking for support on the various sites. [20:18] ok i get it. make a task on phab, please, with 21.04 as a parent task [20:20] I think I have access to that and this will be a good chance for me to learn something. So, I'm going to try to make said task. [20:20] if you want, i could teach you how to implement it [20:21] it's actually fairly trivial, albeit you need one of us with superpowers to pull the final lever [20:22] One step at a time. LOL [20:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_pcmanfm-qt just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_pcmanfm-qt/90/ [20:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T188: Add kystemlog to the default install.] KGIII (David G) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T188 [20:23] That was easier than I expected. I think I included enough salient info. [20:24] Alright, how do I implement it? [20:26] ok, so you have to make a change in our seed first, and then in our metapackage. the latter is the more complicated and harder issue but actually one that is entirely programmatic. [20:26] both can be sent as pull requests (they're called differential revisions according to phabricator) [20:27] so here's the desktop seed file https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/groovy/desktop [20:27] it's well organized and should be fairly obvious [20:28] It's new to me, but it appears pretty straightforward. [20:28] so you basically git that repo, make the change, push the change and then do the same thing with the meta repo using the script (and instructions) provided [20:29] That is not so intuitive. [20:29] ok nevermind then :) [20:29] LOL Yeah, let's wait on that one. [20:29] I did make a task for it, which is a start. [20:30] yep you sure did! maybe one of these days i'll just sit down and screen record the whole process [20:30] I have been meaning to learn git - so give me a bit (weeks is my timeline) and I'll take some online courses to learn git better. [20:31] I am still reading the freedesktop specifications. I'm gonna read all of 'em. [20:31] okie dokie. let me know when you're ready to take the next step [20:31] you may want to try playing around with github and understanding the process there [20:31] it's very similar [20:31] Will do. I've also been paying attention to the bug triage process, just to see how it goes. [20:31] so is the merge request process on launchpad [20:33] Yeah, I've got a github account and a hello world there. I'll spend some time learning more about that. [20:33] There is a lot to learn. For y'all who've been doing it for years, it's probably pretty easy. For me, it's a whole lot of stuff that I know nothing about. That's good - actually. I like learning new things. [20:33] i could make a play repo on my account and you could send pull requests to it [20:34] We shall see - don't do anything yet. I've still got plenty to read and monitor. [20:34] i just meant something stupid like some lorem ipsum files XD [20:34] [telegram] Maybe we should have a "hello world" repo? [20:35] [telegram] Then folks can experience arc. [20:35] I'll get there. I've even cloned some projects along the way, so I've got stuff in there to play with. [20:35] that might be a good idea [20:36] It may sound overwhelming or a lot like work, but having some sort of documentation about this process might also be a good idea. [20:36] maybe we should make a super simple tutorial based on just changing some text [20:36] OOOOH we could do it for the manual [20:36] or rather to support contributions to the manual [20:37] [telegram] Even if it just markdown in phab, that way no one is worried about breaking stuff. [20:37] yep [20:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_compton-conf just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_compton-conf/557/ [20:46] From my perspective (someone new to this) learning things in small steps is good. Even if it's just little things, I learn by doing. I'm going to go order a special external drive just for Lubuntu stuff. 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[22:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-panel just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-panel/86/ [22:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qterminal FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qterminal/863/ [22:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_sddm/610/ [22:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_sddm/115/ [22:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_sddm/367/ [22:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qps FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qps/608/ [22:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qps just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qps/609/ [22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0e81921bc8df: Add dragging tabs around] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0e81921bc8df [22:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb98f9bcb1a30: Add drag tabs to reorder] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb98f9bcb1a30 [22:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-archiver/174/ [22:51] The Lubuntu CI messages are from the automated build system or Jenkins. ci.lubuntu.me shows the output status. let me dig up the wiki page. [22:51] That's pretty much what I'd intuited. No need for a wiki page at this time, but I'll read it anyhow. [22:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver/522/ [22:53] Sure, it goes further in depth. Basically the idea is to replicate the launchpad system on a smaller scale for testing purposes and QA. https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/ [22:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_libfm-qt/512/ [22:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qterminal just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qterminal/864/ [22:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_sddm/610/ [22:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_sddm/115/ [22:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_sddm/367/ [22:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_libfm-qt/171/ [22:57] [telegram] that is, when it's operational and the Internet isn't fubar. [22:57] [telegram] ... or when i'm not performing system maintenance xD [23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qterminal just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qterminal/864/ [23:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-policykit just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-policykit/557/ [23:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T189: change name of Openbox config] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T189