[05:38] <RyuKurisu[m]> Bummer, why is everything I want so hard to do or get? 😔
[07:32] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl where did you check the availability of xsecurelock? https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/xsecurelock
[07:38] <RyuKurisu[m]> It's actually available since focal: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xsecurelock&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
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[20:03] <KGIII> Hirsute can install ksystemlog without any additional dependencies. For the record, ksystemlog is awesome. My end-user opinion is that it should be installed by default. ;-)
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[20:09] <wxl> i mean i can kind of see the logic but jeez it's so easy to grep
 unless you're a newbie wxl
 which 99% of users we see nowadays *are* :P
[20:17] <KGIII> It's a lovely GUI presentation of your logs. It doesn't get any better than that! I've used it for quite a while as my default go-to when I want to check the logs for issues. Seeing as I'm constantly messing with stuff, it gets used fairly often.
[20:18] <KGIII> Heck, I'm frequently telling folks to install it and check their logs when they're asking for support on the various sites. 
[20:18] <wxl> ok i get it. make a task on phab, please, with 21.04 as a parent task
[20:20] <KGIII> I think I have access to that and this will be a good chance for me to learn something. So, I'm going to try to make said task.
[20:20] <wxl> if you want, i could teach you how to implement it
[20:21] <wxl> it's actually fairly trivial, albeit you need one of us with superpowers to pull the final lever
[20:22] <KGIII> One step at a time. LOL
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[20:23] <KGIII> That was easier than I expected. I think I included enough salient info.
[20:24] <KGIII> Alright, how do I implement it?
[20:26] <wxl> ok, so you have to make a change in our seed first, and then in our metapackage. the latter is the more complicated and harder issue but actually one that is entirely programmatic.
[20:26] <wxl> both can be sent as pull requests (they're called differential revisions according to phabricator)
[20:27] <wxl> so here's the desktop seed file https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/groovy/desktop
[20:27] <wxl> it's well organized and should be fairly obvious
[20:28] <KGIII> It's new to me, but it appears pretty straightforward. 
[20:28] <wxl> so you basically git that repo, make the change, push the change and then do the same thing with the meta repo using the script (and instructions) provided
[20:29] <KGIII> That is not so intuitive.
[20:29] <wxl> ok nevermind then :)
[20:29] <KGIII> LOL Yeah, let's wait on that one.
[20:29] <KGIII> I did make a task for it, which is a start.
[20:30] <wxl> yep you sure did! maybe one of these days i'll just sit down and screen record the whole process
[20:30] <KGIII> I have been meaning to learn git - so give me a bit (weeks is my timeline) and I'll take some online courses to learn git better.
[20:31] <KGIII> I am still reading the freedesktop specifications. I'm gonna read all of 'em.
[20:31] <wxl> okie dokie. let me know when you're ready to take the next step
[20:31] <wxl> you may want to try playing around with github and understanding the process there
[20:31] <wxl> it's very similar
[20:31] <KGIII> Will do. I've also been paying attention to the bug triage process, just to see how it goes.
[20:31] <wxl> so is the merge request process on launchpad
[20:33] <KGIII> Yeah, I've got a github account and a hello world there. I'll spend some time learning more about that.
[20:33] <KGIII> There is a lot to learn. For y'all who've been doing it for years, it's probably pretty easy. For me, it's a whole lot of stuff that I know nothing about. That's good - actually. I like learning new things.
[20:33] <wxl> i could make a play repo on my account and you could send pull requests to it
[20:34] <KGIII> We shall see - don't do anything yet. I've still got plenty to read and monitor.
[20:34] <wxl> i just meant something stupid like some lorem ipsum files XD
 Maybe we should have a "hello world" repo?
 Then folks can experience arc.
[20:35] <KGIII> I'll get there. I've even cloned some projects along the way, so I've got stuff in there to play with.
[20:35] <wxl> that might be a good idea
[20:36] <KGIII> It may sound overwhelming or a lot like work, but having some sort of documentation about this process might also be a good idea.
[20:36] <wxl> maybe we should make a super simple tutorial based on just changing some text
[20:36] <wxl> OOOOH we could do it for the manual
[20:36] <wxl> or rather to support contributions to the manual
 Even if it just markdown in phab, that way no one is worried about breaking stuff.
[20:37] <wxl> yep
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[20:46] <KGIII> From my perspective (someone new to this) learning things in small steps is good. Even if it's just little things, I learn by doing. I'm going to go order a special external drive just for Lubuntu stuff.
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[22:13] <KGIII> Are those notifications from someone trying to build those packages?
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[22:51] <kc2bez[m]> The Lubuntu CI messages are from the automated build system or Jenkins. ci.lubuntu.me shows the output status. let me dig up the wiki page.
[22:51] <KGIII> That's pretty much what I'd intuited. No need for a wiki page at this time, but I'll read it anyhow.
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[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> Sure, it goes further in depth. Basically the idea is to replicate the launchpad system on a smaller scale for testing purposes and QA. https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/
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 that is, when it's operational and the Internet isn't fubar.
 ... or when i'm not performing system maintenance xD
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