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callmepkgoood morning01:10
seb128goood morning desktopers06:09
jibelGood morning06:25
seb128Trevinho, marcustomlinson, tkamppeter, kenvandine, jamesh, weekly status update?06:31
seb128lut jibel, comment ça va ?06:31
didrocksgood morning06:44
seb128lut didrocks comment ça va ?06:47
jibelsalut didrocks 06:50
jibelseb128, ça va bien et toi?06:50
didrocksça va seb128 et toi ?06:50
didrockssalut jibel 06:50
jibelhow do I disable tracker?06:56
jibelit crashes on boot on hirsute then restarts every second06:56
seb128ça va ici :-)06:58
seb128jibel, unsure how it's started if that's systemd or dbus activation, mv the binary?06:59
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:06
didrockssalut oSoMoN 07:07
jibelsalut oSoMoN 07:09
oSoMoNsalut didrocks, jibel, seb128 07:11
callmepkhi seb128 jibel didrocks oSoMoN 07:26
oSoMoNhey callmepk 07:26
jibelhi callmepk 07:44
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seb128lut oSoMoN, hey callmepk08:19
marcustomlinsonmorning callmepk seb128 jibel didrocks oSoMoN08:25
callmepkhey marcustomlinson 08:26
seb128hey marcustomlinson :-)08:26
jibelHi marcustomlinson 08:36
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson 08:52
Laneyyo09:04
oSoMoNhey Laney 09:09
marcustomlinsonhey Laney09:15
Laneyhey oSoMoN et marcustomlinson 09:15
seb128hey Laney , how are you?09:27
RikMillsmorning09:30
RikMillsLaney jibel - my ISO looks fixed. thank you!09:31
seb128hey RikMills 09:32
jibelhi RikMills, that's good to hear. Thanks for testing!09:35
Laneymoin seb128 hi RikMills, very good!09:36
seb128Laney, ricotz, others, do you know enough about typelibs to understand why libunity stopped referencing to the shared library in recent cycles? (it leads to symbols not found errors)10:17
seb128it's probably doing something weird or wrong which stopped working with newer gir...10:17
Laneyby referencing you mean depends or?10:19
Laneyor got a link that shows the problem?10:19
seb128$ head -n 3 /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/UnityExtras-7.0.typelib | grep -l libunity10:19
seb128...10:20
seb128       <((GLib-2.0|Gio-2.0|GObject-2.0UnityExtras7.0libunity-extras.so.910:20
seb128 10:20
seb128the mention of libunity-extras.so.9 isn't there where rebulding on 20.10 or H10:20
seb128the build log is on http://qa-logs.debian.net/2020/08/02/libunity_7.1.4+19.04.20190319-2_unstable.log10:21
seb128Laney, I've just poked locally to try to see the difference, copying the UnityExtras-7.0.typelib from the current deb fixes the tests10:21
seb128so I poked a bit manually at the content to see the difference10:21
seb128doing a strings on the binary I see that the current deb has a mention of libunity-extras.so.910:22
seb128where the new build doesn't10:22
seb128could be a redherring though, I don't know how typelibs are working and how they use the shared libraries10:22
seb128but steps are basically apt-source libunity and build on 20.10+10:23
LaneyI'm not really sure, I guess it's calling the gir tools a bit wrong10:35
seb128Laney, seems like a valac regression, it works fine with the focal version11:35
seb128ricotz, ^11:35
Laneybisect time!11:40
ricotzseb128, Laney, hey11:45
Laneyhey RikMills 11:45
* ricotz is looking11:45
Laneyoops11:45
Laneyhey ricotz!11:45
ricotzhmm, if the custom gir file patching isn't working anymore you keep the pieces ;P11:48
ricotzhttps://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity/tree/src/Makefile.am#n13911:48
ricotzI don't think is needed anymore11:49
* RikMills ignores...11:50
ricotzLaney, seb128 https://paste.debian.net/plain/118280111:54
seb128ricotz, thanks, I'm going to try that in a bit12:09
GunnarHjseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opencc/+bug/1909665/comments/1112:27
GunnarHjHow does that sound to you?12:27
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1909665 in opencc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released]12:27
ricotzseb128, the possible changes to the gir files require a closer look though12:31
seb128ricotz, do you know what changed on the vala side that triggered the issue?12:51
seb128ricotz, what sort of changes should I check in the gir? I've little clues about how those work atm12:52
seb128GunnarHj, it's one way to do it, I even wonder if we should simply let opencc not build on s390x since we don't support desktop on that arch12:53
ricotzseb128, vala added a versioned header at the beginning of the gir like it is done for vapi files to track the used vala version12:54
ricotzso the static sed rules don't apply anymore12:54
GunnarHjseb128: That's another approach, of course, but can we certainly say that nobody inputs Chinese on s390x?12:56
seb128ricotz, ah, so the less disruptive fix it to tweak the sed rules12:58
seb128GunnarHj, we don't build a desktop on s390x12:58
seb128well there are probably other desktops that are available, but GNOME isn't and the s390x port isn't aiming at providing a working desktop12:59
ricotzseb128, yes, but it would not be a viable solution if vala is doing the right thing now13:00
seb128ricotz, right, I just don't know how to verify that things are as they should / not changing behaviour where I feel confident the sed tweak wouldn't introduce a regression13:02
ricotzseb128, basically compare the gir outputs13:03
ricotzif they match up everything is fine13:03
seb128ricotz, k, I will give it a try, and we are still early enough in the H cycle to be able to fix problems if we introduce a bug13:03
ricotzseb128, fyi, is wasn't the version header, but the additional "c:symbol-prefix" attibutes13:04
seb128k13:04
GunnarHjseb128: ibus-libpinyin (which soon will depend on libopencc1.1) is built on s390x.13:05
seb128ricotz, thanks for the help! I didn't notice the sed calls in there13:06
seb128GunnarHj, we could decide to stop doing that if we wanted13:06
seb128but it's probably easier to just hack the symbol file and keep things building13:07
seb128I was just mentioning that it would be a possible option13:07
seb128the .symbols for cpp are just annoying :-/13:07
GunnarHjseb128: It certainly is. Anyway, I take it that next step is that I try to 'sell' the approach to the Debian maintainer?13:08
ricotzseb128, two additional fixes https://paste.debian.net/plain/1182808 for newer valac versions13:11
ricotzseb128, irgnore the first one for now, so https://paste.debian.net/plain/118280913:12
seb128ricotz, thanks!13:14
seb128GunnarHj, sorry I forgot your question, I think it makes sense to ask the Debian maintainer if they would be fine with either the .ubuntu.symbols approach or the optional use one13:30
GunnarHjseb128: Ok. But I'm not able to explain the optional approach. ;)13:39
seb128GunnarHj, it would be to add the optional tag to any symbol which is only listed either Debian or Ubuntu builds so build would not fail on any of the distributions13:43
GunnarHjseb128: Right, but I made some attempts yesterday and failed to make sense of it.13:47
GunnarHjseb128: I.e. already when building on amd64 there were loud complaints whatever I tried.13:50
WimpressAfternoon desktoppers o/14:31
kenvandinegood morning :)14:31
seb128hey hey hey14:31
hellsworthgood morning desktopers14:31
marcustomlinsonhey Wimpress14:31
marcustomlinsonand hellsworth14:31
kenvandinelet's get this party started!14:31
oSoMoNhey Wimpress, hellsworth 14:31
Trevinhohey14:31
marcustomlinsonand kenvandine for that matter :)14:31
oSoMoNhey kenvandine 14:31
Wimpress#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-2614:31
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WimpressRoll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk14:31
oSoMoN🐵/14:31
hellsworth~o~14:32
seb128_o/14:32
marcustomlinson🕺🏻14:32
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* luna_ is sick and don't have energy to attend today14:32
kenvandineluna_: feel better!14:32
Wimpress#topic rls-bb-bugs14:32
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:32
seb128luna_, oh, get better!14:32
didrockso/14:32
jibelhola o/14:32
Wimpressbb-incoming all quiet14:32
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:33
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/178298414:34
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1782984 in libx11 (Ubuntu Groovy) "Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed with multiple applications" [High,New]14:34
WimpressLooks like Timo is working that one.14:35
seb128seems like a fix probably worth SRUing at least to focl14:36
WimpressYep.14:36
seb128tjaalton, you were planning to do that?14:36
tjaaltonsounds fine14:36
WimpressThanks.14:37
WimpressThe rest are assigned for bb-tracking14:37
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:37
Wimpress#topic rls-ff-bugs14:37
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Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/191083814:38
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1910838 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "stopped working after latest update" [Undecided,New]14:38
WimpressI'm marking that Incomplete since Seb asked a question to find out more.14:38
seb128marco said he had it on his backlog iirc but we probably failed to triage properly to get it off the lists14:39
seb128if it's the same as the other one14:39
seb128but the submitter didn't reply so incomplete seems fine yes :)14:39
TrevinhoYeah i think is the same as the one you commented14:39
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/191161414:39
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1911614 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 20.04 and 20.04.1 images use linux-generic-hwe-20.04 instead of linux-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:39
WimpressWe are going to discuss that later ^14:40
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:40
WimpressLooks in order.14:42
Wimpress#topic rls-gg-bugs14:42
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:42
WimpressAll good14:43
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:43
WimpressAlso all assigned.14:43
Wimpress#topic rls-hh-bugs14:44
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:44
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/191192114:44
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1911921 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in src/core/workspace.c:375:meta_workspace_add_window: assertion failed: (g_list_find (workspace->mru_list, window) == NULL)" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:44
WimpressLooks like Daniel is tracking that one.14:45
WimpressInteresting since we've been discussing Wayland.14:46
WimpressI've assigned Daniel.14:46
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:47
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/191260914:47
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1912609 in wpa (Ubuntu Hirsute) "mac80211_hwsim: hostapd fails to start with S1G band" [Undecided,New]14:47
seb128you can assign that one to me, I did the recent wpa uploads I can handle reviewing that patch14:48
WimpressThanks Seb.14:48
seb128np!14:48
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiff/+bug/190850214:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1908502 in tiff (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[MIR] libdeflate" [Undecided,Triaged]14:49
oSoMoNthanks seb128 for taking that one off my plate!14:49
seb128it's for me as well, sorry I forgot to do that when I reopened it14:49
seb128oSoMoN, np!14:50
seb128I'm changing assignee you can move to the next one14:50
WimpressAssigned to you Seb.14:50
Wimpressty14:50
Wimpress#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:51
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Wimpresshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:51
WimpressAnything of concern in that ^14:52
seb128someone should probably check on qpdf vs pikepdf14:52
seb128tkamppeter, ^ would you maybe try to check if you can see what's the issue there since it's blocking cups-filters?14:52
seb128network-manager vs systemd I will follow up with foundations14:53
Laneywhat's happening with bluez, any update there?14:53
LaneyI have a feeling we might end up in release week with that still blocked14:53
Wimpresswaveform: ^14:53
Laneymerci14:54
seb128Laney, I've been sending regular emails, Dave replied a week ago that he sent the patch upstream for review now, I asked the url or reference but he didn't get back to me yet14:54
seb128but yeah, it's taking forever to unblock :-/14:54
Laneycool, thanks for keeping on that!14:54
seb128np!14:54
seb128other things are new or flaky, I don't think there is value to discuss more here now14:55
WimpressOK14:55
Wimpress#topic AOB14:55
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WimpressAnything else anyone wants to discuss?14:55
seb128we should get moving with changes we want to do this cycle, e.g wayland by default14:56
seb128but we probably don't have the right venue and people now to discuss that14:56
WimpressI was just writing something similar.14:56
WimpressWe've discussed displays servers as a team.14:57
seb128well, Daniel seemed to give his +114:57
WimpressI think this is the right time/cycle to make the switch and test the waters.14:57
seb128resources available to do the changes is a struggle though14:57
kenvandineyeah, but i think we have to do it14:57
WimpressIf not this cycle, then planned for in the 21.10 cycle.14:58
seb128I think we should do it this cycle and sooner rather than later14:58
oSoMoNI agree14:58
seb128we just need to get people stepped out of what they are doing for some days14:58
kenvandineyeah, if we wait until 21.10 then we don't have time to address issues14:58
seb128I will try to get that going14:58
WimpressIf we can squeeze than it, I think it would be good.14:58
seb128we basically needs marcustomlinson and kenvandine to deal with their pipewire items and probably Trevinho to help them getting things uploaded14:59
WimpressAnything more to add?14:59
WimpressNot just Wayland related.14:59
seb128Laney, would be nice if could help switching the default session when we are ready14:59
seb128not from me14:59
Trevinhoyeah, let me know if you want me to help, should not be much other than merge more with debian15:00
WimpressIs there any knock on impact for the Yaru team?15:00
WimpressThey have some custom sessions. I've not look to see if Wayland is a factor for those.15:01
seb128wayland? no15:01
Laneyok, that bit should be easy, it's just a ubuntu patch in gdm I think15:01
Trevinhoyeah, no problem for them15:01
didrocks999Laney: right15:01
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WimpressGreat.15:01
WimpressAny other topics?15:02
didrockshowever, we need to ensure everyone in the team is using hirsute day-to-day please, don’t stay on the LTS or groovy to have a definitive opinion :)15:02
WimpressGood point.15:02
WimpressChampagne drinking everyone :-)15:02
* Laney eyes the OSX users ;-)15:02
WimpressAre you looking in a mirror?15:03
seb128(unless you are on nvidia but from how little that get tested before release I don't think we team members using that on their main session)15:03
WimpressI am.15:03
seb128+have15:03
didrocksI do, I have nvidia (and reported many bugs (ignored :p)15:03
LaneyNO NO NO15:03
LaneyI do, the problem is we're not reinstalling it15:03
didrocksright, that as well15:03
seb128ah ok15:04
WimpressI can test actual hardware installs.15:04
seb128sorry for sidetracking with that inacurate comment15:04
WimpressRight, are we done?15:04
seb128my point was that if I understood correctly, if you are on nvidia you will probably be sent to xorg anyway15:05
seb128I think so15:05
Laneyyes15:05
WimpressYes.15:05
didrocksyeah, it’s a way to test the fallback at least15:05
WimpressAnymore for anymore?15:06
didrocksnope!15:06
WimpressOK. Thanks everyone.15:06
Wimpress#endmeeting15:06
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seb128thanks!15:06
kenvandinethanks15:06
didrocksthanks!15:06
hellsworththanks!!15:06
jibelthanks15:06
seb128kenvandine, marcustomlinson, could you get https://trello.com/c/KRFxarVl/226-start-using-gnome-remote-desktop prioritize? I think it's a pre-required to switch to wayland15:10
seb128unsure if there is much to do15:11
seb128probably check that pipewire as we have it synced currently from Debian is working or if tweaks are needed15:11
kenvandine@marcustomlinson can you spend some time on that?15:11
marcustomlinsonokidokes15:12
kenvandinethanks15:13
seb128thanks!15:13
seb128ricotz, the first pastebin cleaning the build seems to create some issues / incompatible changes15:16
seb128-<class name="ExtrasPreviewPlayer" c:type="UnityExtrasPreviewPlayer"15:16
seb128+<class name="PreviewPlayer" c:type="UnityExtrasPreviewPlayer"15:16
seb128-<function name="extras_show_in_folder" c:identifier="unity_extras_show_in_folder">15:16
seb128+<function name="show_in_folder" c:identifier="unity_extras_show_in_folder">15:16
seb128-<type name="ExtrasPreviewPlayerPrivate" c:type="UnityExtrasPreviewPlayerPrivate*"/>15:17
seb128+<type name="PreviewPlayerPrivate" c:type="UnityExtrasPreviewPlayerPrivate*"/>15:17
seb128it makes one of the tests fail15:17
seb128AttributeError: 'gi.repository.UnityExtras' object has no attribute 'PreviewPlayer'15:17
tkamppeterseb128, qpdf has no dependency on pikepdf, what is pikepdf good for, I have never heard about that?15:18
seb128tkamppeter, it's the other way around, pikepdf depends on qpdf and its tests are failing with the new qpdf15:19
seb128https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pikepdf/hirsute/amd6415:19
seb128https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-hirsute/hirsute/amd64/p/pikepdf/20210120_104558_cc277@/log.gz15:19
seb128tkamppeter, ah, seems like Debian is on it, https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pikepdf/news/20210119T213552Z.html15:20
seb128well it's still failing but it means the maintainer noticed the issue and tried to fix it15:20
tkamppeterseb128, so seems to be best to wait for the maintainer to fix it for now.15:27
seb128tkamppeter, I guess yes :-)15:27
ricotzseb128, I guess this is caused by nested namespaces which are not reliably transformed, so better just drop the sed rules for <namespace ...>15:39
tjaaltonsomething in groovy made alt-tab very sluggish, is that known?15:40
seb128tjaalton, I've not seen it reported or mentioned before, neither here or launchpad15:41
tjaaltonokay15:41
tjaaltonmaybe I'll dist-upgrade already15:41
tjaaltonmeaning, finally15:42
seb128ricotz, thanks for the help, I uploaded a new libunity revision fixing the build issues with your patches, just restored that sed line for extras17:16
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ricotzseb128, yw :)19:58

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