[01:10] goood morning [06:09] goood morning desktopers [06:25] Good morning [06:31] Trevinho, marcustomlinson, tkamppeter, kenvandine, jamesh, weekly status update? [06:31] lut jibel, comment ça va ? [06:44] good morning [06:47] lut didrocks comment ça va ? [06:50] salut didrocks [06:50] seb128, ça va bien et toi? [06:50] ça va seb128 et toi ? [06:50] salut jibel [06:56] how do I disable tracker? [06:56] it crashes on boot on hirsute then restarts every second [06:58] ça va ici :-) [06:59] jibel, unsure how it's started if that's systemd or dbus activation, mv the binary? [07:06] good morning desktoppers [07:07] salut oSoMoN [07:09] salut oSoMoN [07:11] salut didrocks, jibel, seb128 [07:26] hi seb128 jibel didrocks oSoMoN [07:26] hey callmepk [07:44] hi callmepk === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer === allison is now known as lis [08:19] lut oSoMoN, hey callmepk [08:25] morning callmepk seb128 jibel didrocks oSoMoN [08:26] hey marcustomlinson [08:26] hey marcustomlinson :-) [08:36] Hi marcustomlinson [08:52] good morning marcustomlinson [09:04] yo [09:09] hey Laney [09:15] hey Laney [09:15] hey oSoMoN et marcustomlinson [09:27] hey Laney , how are you? [09:30] morning [09:31] Laney jibel - my ISO looks fixed. thank you! [09:32] hey RikMills [09:35] hi RikMills, that's good to hear. Thanks for testing! [09:36] moin seb128 hi RikMills, very good! [10:17] Laney, ricotz, others, do you know enough about typelibs to understand why libunity stopped referencing to the shared library in recent cycles? (it leads to symbols not found errors) [10:17] it's probably doing something weird or wrong which stopped working with newer gir... [10:19] by referencing you mean depends or? [10:19] or got a link that shows the problem? [10:19] $ head -n 3 /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/UnityExtras-7.0.typelib | grep -l libunity [10:20] ... [10:20] <((GLib-2.0|Gio-2.0|GObject-2.0UnityExtras7.0libunity-extras.so.9 [10:20] [10:20] the mention of libunity-extras.so.9 isn't there where rebulding on 20.10 or H [10:21] the build log is on http://qa-logs.debian.net/2020/08/02/libunity_7.1.4+19.04.20190319-2_unstable.log [10:21] Laney, I've just poked locally to try to see the difference, copying the UnityExtras-7.0.typelib from the current deb fixes the tests [10:21] so I poked a bit manually at the content to see the difference [10:22] doing a strings on the binary I see that the current deb has a mention of libunity-extras.so.9 [10:22] where the new build doesn't [10:22] could be a redherring though, I don't know how typelibs are working and how they use the shared libraries [10:23] but steps are basically apt-source libunity and build on 20.10+ [10:35] I'm not really sure, I guess it's calling the gir tools a bit wrong [11:35] Laney, seems like a valac regression, it works fine with the focal version [11:35] ricotz, ^ [11:40] bisect time! [11:45] seb128, Laney, hey [11:45] hey RikMills [11:45] * ricotz is looking [11:45] oops [11:45] hey ricotz! [11:48] hmm, if the custom gir file patching isn't working anymore you keep the pieces ;P [11:48] https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity/tree/src/Makefile.am#n139 [11:49] I don't think is needed anymore [11:50] * RikMills ignores... [11:54] Laney, seb128 https://paste.debian.net/plain/1182801 [12:09] ricotz, thanks, I'm going to try that in a bit [12:27] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opencc/+bug/1909665/comments/11 [12:27] How does that sound to you? [12:27] Ubuntu bug 1909665 in opencc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ibus-libpinyin dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released] [12:31] seb128, the possible changes to the gir files require a closer look though [12:51] ricotz, do you know what changed on the vala side that triggered the issue? [12:52] ricotz, what sort of changes should I check in the gir? I've little clues about how those work atm [12:53] GunnarHj, it's one way to do it, I even wonder if we should simply let opencc not build on s390x since we don't support desktop on that arch [12:54] seb128, vala added a versioned header at the beginning of the gir like it is done for vapi files to track the used vala version [12:54] so the static sed rules don't apply anymore [12:56] seb128: That's another approach, of course, but can we certainly say that nobody inputs Chinese on s390x? [12:58] ricotz, ah, so the less disruptive fix it to tweak the sed rules [12:58] GunnarHj, we don't build a desktop on s390x [12:59] well there are probably other desktops that are available, but GNOME isn't and the s390x port isn't aiming at providing a working desktop [13:00] seb128, yes, but it would not be a viable solution if vala is doing the right thing now [13:02] ricotz, right, I just don't know how to verify that things are as they should / not changing behaviour where I feel confident the sed tweak wouldn't introduce a regression [13:03] seb128, basically compare the gir outputs [13:03] if they match up everything is fine [13:03] ricotz, k, I will give it a try, and we are still early enough in the H cycle to be able to fix problems if we introduce a bug [13:04] seb128, fyi, is wasn't the version header, but the additional "c:symbol-prefix" attibutes [13:04] k [13:05] seb128: ibus-libpinyin (which soon will depend on libopencc1.1) is built on s390x. [13:06] ricotz, thanks for the help! I didn't notice the sed calls in there [13:06] GunnarHj, we could decide to stop doing that if we wanted [13:07] but it's probably easier to just hack the symbol file and keep things building [13:07] I was just mentioning that it would be a possible option [13:07] the .symbols for cpp are just annoying :-/ [13:08] seb128: It certainly is. Anyway, I take it that next step is that I try to 'sell' the approach to the Debian maintainer? [13:11] seb128, two additional fixes https://paste.debian.net/plain/1182808 for newer valac versions [13:12] seb128, irgnore the first one for now, so https://paste.debian.net/plain/1182809 [13:14] ricotz, thanks! [13:30] GunnarHj, sorry I forgot your question, I think it makes sense to ask the Debian maintainer if they would be fine with either the .ubuntu.symbols approach or the optional use one [13:39] seb128: Ok. But I'm not able to explain the optional approach. ;) [13:43] GunnarHj, it would be to add the optional tag to any symbol which is only listed either Debian or Ubuntu builds so build would not fail on any of the distributions [13:47] seb128: Right, but I made some attempts yesterday and failed to make sense of it. [13:50] seb128: I.e. already when building on amd64 there were loud complaints whatever I tried. [14:31] Afternoon desktoppers o/ [14:31] good morning :) [14:31] hey hey hey [14:31] good morning desktopers [14:31] hey Wimpress [14:31] and hellsworth [14:31] let's get this party started! [14:31] hey Wimpress, hellsworth [14:31] hey [14:31] and kenvandine for that matter :) [14:31] hey kenvandine [14:31] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 [14:31] Meeting started at 14:31:47 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [14:31] Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: [14:31] Roll call: didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk [14:31] 🐵/ [14:32] ~o~ [14:32] _o/ [14:32] 🕺🏻 [14:32] o/ [14:32] * luna_ is sick and don't have energy to attend today [14:32] luna_: feel better! [14:32] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [14:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:32] luna_, oh, get better! [14:32] o/ [14:32] hola o/ [14:32] bb-incoming all quiet [14:33] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/1782984 [14:34] Ubuntu bug 1782984 in libx11 (Ubuntu Groovy) "Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed with multiple applications" [High,New] [14:35] Looks like Timo is working that one. [14:36] seems like a fix probably worth SRUing at least to focl [14:36] Yep. [14:36] tjaalton, you were planning to do that? [14:36] sounds fine [14:37] Thanks. [14:37] The rest are assigned for bb-tracking [14:37] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:37] #topic rls-ff-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: rls-ff-bugs [14:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1910838 [14:38] Ubuntu bug 1910838 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "stopped working after latest update" [Undecided,New] [14:38] I'm marking that Incomplete since Seb asked a question to find out more. [14:39] marco said he had it on his backlog iirc but we probably failed to triage properly to get it off the lists [14:39] if it's the same as the other one [14:39] but the submitter didn't reply so incomplete seems fine yes :) [14:39] Yeah i think is the same as the one you commented [14:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1911614 [14:39] Ubuntu bug 1911614 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 20.04 and 20.04.1 images use linux-generic-hwe-20.04 instead of linux-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:40] We are going to discuss that later ^ [14:40] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:42] Looks in order. [14:42] #topic rls-gg-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: rls-gg-bugs [14:42] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:43] All good [14:43] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:43] Also all assigned. [14:44] #topic rls-hh-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: rls-hh-bugs [14:44] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:44] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1911921 [14:44] Ubuntu bug 1911921 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in src/core/workspace.c:375:meta_workspace_add_window: assertion failed: (g_list_find (workspace->mru_list, window) == NULL)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:45] Looks like Daniel is tracking that one. [14:46] Interesting since we've been discussing Wayland. [14:46] I've assigned Daniel. [14:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1912609 [14:47] Ubuntu bug 1912609 in wpa (Ubuntu Hirsute) "mac80211_hwsim: hostapd fails to start with S1G band" [Undecided,New] [14:48] you can assign that one to me, I did the recent wpa uploads I can handle reviewing that patch [14:48] Thanks Seb. [14:48] np! [14:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiff/+bug/1908502 [14:49] Ubuntu bug 1908502 in tiff (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[MIR] libdeflate" [Undecided,Triaged] [14:49] thanks seb128 for taking that one off my plate! [14:49] it's for me as well, sorry I forgot to do that when I reopened it [14:50] oSoMoN, np! [14:50] I'm changing assignee you can move to the next one [14:50] Assigned to you Seb. [14:50] ty [14:51] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:51] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:52] Anything of concern in that ^ [14:52] someone should probably check on qpdf vs pikepdf [14:52] tkamppeter, ^ would you maybe try to check if you can see what's the issue there since it's blocking cups-filters? [14:53] network-manager vs systemd I will follow up with foundations [14:53] what's happening with bluez, any update there? [14:53] I have a feeling we might end up in release week with that still blocked [14:53] waveform: ^ [14:54] merci [14:54] Laney, I've been sending regular emails, Dave replied a week ago that he sent the patch upstream for review now, I asked the url or reference but he didn't get back to me yet [14:54] but yeah, it's taking forever to unblock :-/ [14:54] cool, thanks for keeping on that! [14:54] np! [14:55] other things are new or flaky, I don't think there is value to discuss more here now [14:55] OK [14:55] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26 | Current topic: AOB [14:55] Anything else anyone wants to discuss? [14:56] we should get moving with changes we want to do this cycle, e.g wayland by default [14:56] but we probably don't have the right venue and people now to discuss that [14:56] I was just writing something similar. [14:57] We've discussed displays servers as a team. [14:57] well, Daniel seemed to give his +1 [14:57] I think this is the right time/cycle to make the switch and test the waters. [14:57] resources available to do the changes is a struggle though [14:57] yeah, but i think we have to do it [14:58] If not this cycle, then planned for in the 21.10 cycle. [14:58] I think we should do it this cycle and sooner rather than later [14:58] I agree [14:58] we just need to get people stepped out of what they are doing for some days [14:58] yeah, if we wait until 21.10 then we don't have time to address issues [14:58] I will try to get that going [14:58] If we can squeeze than it, I think it would be good. [14:59] we basically needs marcustomlinson and kenvandine to deal with their pipewire items and probably Trevinho to help them getting things uploaded [14:59] Anything more to add? [14:59] Not just Wayland related. [14:59] Laney, would be nice if could help switching the default session when we are ready [14:59] not from me [15:00] yeah, let me know if you want me to help, should not be much other than merge more with debian [15:00] Is there any knock on impact for the Yaru team? [15:01] They have some custom sessions. I've not look to see if Wayland is a factor for those. [15:01] wayland? no [15:01] ok, that bit should be easy, it's just a ubuntu patch in gdm I think [15:01] yeah, no problem for them [15:01] Laney: right === didrocks999 is now known as didrocks [15:01] Great. [15:02] Any other topics? [15:02] however, we need to ensure everyone in the team is using hirsute day-to-day please, don’t stay on the LTS or groovy to have a definitive opinion :) [15:02] Good point. [15:02] Champagne drinking everyone :-) [15:02] * Laney eyes the OSX users ;-) [15:03] Are you looking in a mirror? [15:03] (unless you are on nvidia but from how little that get tested before release I don't think we team members using that on their main session) [15:03] I am. [15:03] +have [15:03] I do, I have nvidia (and reported many bugs (ignored :p) [15:03] NO NO NO [15:03] I do, the problem is we're not reinstalling it [15:03] right, that as well [15:04] ah ok [15:04] I can test actual hardware installs. [15:04] sorry for sidetracking with that inacurate comment [15:04] Right, are we done? [15:05] my point was that if I understood correctly, if you are on nvidia you will probably be sent to xorg anyway [15:05] I think so [15:05] yes [15:05] Yes. [15:05] yeah, it’s a way to test the fallback at least [15:06] Anymore for anymore? [15:06] nope! [15:06] OK. Thanks everyone. [15:06] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc [15:06] Meeting ended at 15:06:46 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-01-26-14.31.moin.txt [15:06] thanks! [15:06] thanks [15:06] thanks! [15:06] thanks!! [15:06] thanks [15:10] kenvandine, marcustomlinson, could you get https://trello.com/c/KRFxarVl/226-start-using-gnome-remote-desktop prioritize? I think it's a pre-required to switch to wayland [15:11] unsure if there is much to do [15:11] probably check that pipewire as we have it synced currently from Debian is working or if tweaks are needed [15:11] @marcustomlinson can you spend some time on that? [15:12] okidokes [15:13] thanks [15:13] thanks! [15:16] ricotz, the first pastebin cleaning the build seems to create some issues / incompatible changes [15:16] - + - [15:16] + [15:17] - [15:17] + [15:17] it makes one of the tests fail [15:17] AttributeError: 'gi.repository.UnityExtras' object has no attribute 'PreviewPlayer' [15:18] seb128, qpdf has no dependency on pikepdf, what is pikepdf good for, I have never heard about that? [15:19] tkamppeter, it's the other way around, pikepdf depends on qpdf and its tests are failing with the new qpdf [15:19] https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pikepdf/hirsute/amd64 [15:19] https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-hirsute/hirsute/amd64/p/pikepdf/20210120_104558_cc277@/log.gz [15:20] tkamppeter, ah, seems like Debian is on it, https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pikepdf/news/20210119T213552Z.html [15:20] well it's still failing but it means the maintainer noticed the issue and tried to fix it [15:27] seb128, so seems to be best to wait for the maintainer to fix it for now. [15:27] tkamppeter, I guess yes :-) [15:39] seb128, I guess this is caused by nested namespaces which are not reliably transformed, so better just drop the sed rules for [15:40] something in groovy made alt-tab very sluggish, is that known? [15:41] tjaalton, I've not seen it reported or mentioned before, neither here or launchpad [15:41] okay [15:41] maybe I'll dist-upgrade already [15:42] meaning, finally [17:16] ricotz, thanks for the help, I uploaded a new libunity revision fixing the build issues with your patches, just restored that sed line for extras === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunch === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson [19:58] seb128, yw :)