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[00:10] <ubptgbot> <Sponge Bob> Hello! I have issues with the app drawer: I have a casing and it's not sensitive enought on the side. I think that if I set the "width" of the sensitive zone, that would fix my problem. I don't know how it is exactly called, but I couldn't find any info on the web. I guess it may be adjustable somewhere in a config file?
 You can set up it with UT tweak tool
 Behavior -> Edge sensitivity -> Edge drag areas width
[00:15] <ubptgbot> <Sponge Bob> Thanks a lot!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/l6PbwGR4.mp4
 I've set up a monthly donation ubports but I would like to help more if possible. I really like what is being done here and I'm down to help anyway that doesn't involve writing code because I don't know how. … I get in refurbished phones regularly to flash graphene or lineage on for people that want deGoogled phones so I do have regula
[00:50] <ubptgbot> r access to phones l can play with. I also have a dedicated second line/sim just for testing purposes.  … Is there anyway I can help? Testing, obtaining unsupported  phones, etc..? Sorry if this sounds dumb yall, I'm new here.
 we have a qa group where there are occasional calls for tests if you would like to help with that at https://t.me/ubports_qa_team we also have a porting guide for helping to get unsupported devices supported at https://docs.ubports.com/porting, some of the documentations also needs some updating among other things :)
 [Edit] we have a qa group where there are occasional calls for tests if you would like to help with that at https://t.me/ubports_qa_team we also have a porting guide for helping to get unsupported devices supported at https://docs.ubports.com/porting and some of the documentations also needs some updating among other things :)
 I'll check that out now. As for updating documentation, I may be able to help with that. Let me know what it involves.
 I also haunt ebay for phones and wouldn't mind donating the occasional one to someone thats experienced with porting. I read over the guide and it's for sure over my head. I'm just an average linux user that prefers it for open source and privacy/freedom from massive corporations. I can probably get another oneplus7 Pro soon to donate.
[02:28] <ubptgbot>  Linux with 8gb ram and 90hz refresh rate would be pretty slick. When the 8t comes down in price next year I can donate one of those.
 Where is UT's fork of ofono source kept?
 @Drymarchon [I'll check that out now. As for updating documentation, I may be able to help wi …], this document outlines it: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/documentation.html
 @Drymarchon [I also haunt ebay for phones and wouldn't mind donating the occasional one to so …], cool that also one way, now we just need a willing porter
 @rocket2nfinity [Where is UT's fork of ofono source kept?], i found this: https://github.com/ubports/ofono/
 Thanks!
 @Fuseteam [cool that also one way, now we just need a willing porter], Find me a reputable one that is interested and I will mail them a OnePlus 7 Pro.
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 Hello, I want to flash gsi  but I don't know in what order. I don't even know where to find vendor (I downloaded all files from erfan gsi site)
 (Photo, 623x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mQ2W7aT0.png
 Please dm
 Has anyone with a CDMA carrier tried /usr/share/ofono/scripts/cdma-conman-enable
 There is also /usr/share/ofono/scripts/cdma-dial-number
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 Fwd from Кость Авраменко: https://t.me/joinchat/WD6DL6gFpxj80dNz … +1(347)997-8435
[08:02] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> @calebccff [<reply to media>], Well done. Tempting but for me...not yet!
[08:03] <ubptgbot> <Andy Bleaden> @calebccff [<reply to media>], But very impressed though
 @Andy Bleaden [Well done. Tempting but for me...not yet!], What works and what doesn't?
 probably same like on ut
 cause both are using lomiri
 correct me if I'm wrong
 @Andy Bleaden [Well done. Tempting but for me...not yet!], [Edit] @calebccff What works and what doesn't?
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 Hi friends! … I tried to read information about ubtouch so could you confirm: … 1. Android apps (anbox) are not supported … 2. Ubtouch is based on ubuntu 16 but i cannot use packages from ubuntu repos? … 3. Linux desktop GUI apps not supported? … 4. I can use external HDMI monitor via MHL adapter if phone supports this protocol?
 @Themetaleye [Hello, I want to flash gsi  but I don't know in what order. I don't even know wh …], https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Generic-system-image-(GSI)#how-to-install-gsi
[09:12] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Hello, is it possible to block/ban certain incoming callers numbers on UT?
 @Alex [Hi friends! … I tried to read information about ubtouch so could you confirm: … 1. A …], 1. Support is pre-alpha … 2. Actually you should not install packages with apt at all. There is the OpenStore to install apps … 3. You can install them with libertine, but it's not optimal … 4. Should be yes
 @rocket2nfinity [@calebccff What works and what doesn't?], cc @just_carlod other than the obvious, display brightness wlan etc all work, no audio, haptics, phone calls, mobile data, sensors, audio. … Because Manjaro ARM is running on a mainline kernel (without halium) what works is just dependant on what drivers we have in kernel. the p
[10:17] <ubptgbot> mos wiki page lists the status https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/OnePlus_6_(oneplus-enchilada)
 @Drymarchon [Find me a reputable one that is interested and I will mail them a OnePlus 7 Pro.], that's fairly difficult for me to do, you'd be better off creating a forum post tbch
 @just_carlod [cause both are using lomiri], nah lomiri is just the interface, what works and what doesn't relies on the underlying drivers
 @Drymarchon [Find me a reputable one that is interested and I will mail them a OnePlus 7 Pro.], Hey I'm interested
[11:51] <ubptgbot> <Luka Kronegger> (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/mQAaEP6d.png
 @Drymarchon [Find me a reputable one that is interested and I will mail them a OnePlus 7 Pro.], [Edit] Hey I'm interested - I'm the primary maintainer for the OnePlus 6 and have contributed to various things in UT, I'd be happy to give more details if you're interested
 @Drymarchon [Find me a reputable one that is interested and I will mail them a OnePlus 7 Pro.], [Edit] Hey I'm interested - I'm the primary maintainer for the OnePlus 6 and have contributed to various things in UT, I'd be happy to give more details
 well there we go a interested porter :3
 @Steve Kueffer [Hello, is it possible to block/ban certain incoming callers numbers on UT?], With F-Call PRO:  https://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/
[12:30] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @libremax [With F-Call PRO:  https://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/], Merci Libremax. Bon du coup je vois que le dev demande 10 Eur pour son programme. En fait, j'aurais préféré la tester avant (pas sûr que ça tourne sur un arm64). Mais je regarde ça avec mon épouse. Merci encore!
 @Steve Kueffer [Merci Libremax. Bon du coup je vois que le dev demande 10 Eur pour son programme …], that's the only way atm
[12:32] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Fuseteam [that's the only way atm], Oh sorry, didn't notice I'm on the english group... Thank you anyway for your help!
[12:32] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Fuseteam [that's the only way atm], [Edit] Oh sorry, didn't notice I was on the english group now.. Thank you anyway for your help!
[12:33] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> I think there are some international GSM codes for call barrings. I'll take a look on the web and publish here the solution if I find something...
[12:34] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @libremax [With F-Call PRO:  https://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/], Thank you Libremax 👍
 haha no worries i got the gist of it
 Is there any way to test the halium-7.1 image for the nexus 5? I only found an old image on the forums but is there any recent one?
 @Nicktl [Is there any way to test the halium-7.1 image for the nexus 5? I only found an o …], yes there is, let me find the link ;-)
 https://rubencarneiro.github.io/rubencarneiro.io//hammerhead-halium/
 https://github.com/rubencarneiro/android_device_lge_hammerhead/releases
 Thanks, i will do some testing and do some bug reporting
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 Anyone has experiences fiddling around with modems? The original pro 5 I belive has 4g+2g capability only, any idea what I could possibly modify to enable 4g+3g?
 @dohbee [yeah, maybe we should just drop support for pro5, just to get rid of that change], I don't get why nobody implemented a config quirk for that one in years
 @NotKit [I don't get why nobody implemented a config quirk for that one in years], i have no idea what's going on there or why the ofono change makes it work
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 @Fuseteam [stable/rc/dev?], It's the latest stable, I believe.
 try the latest dev
 you can always switch back
 @calebccff [Hey I'm interested - I'm the primary maintainer for the OnePlus 6 and have contr …], Msg me your details and I will get one in the mail to you. While you get that done I'll work on getting an 8T as well. I can help test as well. OnePlus is my favorite brand and I usually have them laying around.
 @calebccff [Hey I'm interested - I'm the primary maintainer for the OnePlus 6 and have contr …], I also have a another OnePlus 6T coming in soon so I can help test that as well. .
[18:13] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @Themetaleye [Hello, I want to flash gsi  but I don't know in what order. I don't even know wh …], Redmi note 7  … Install twrp  … Then flash orange for r11 … Then wipe data  … Then install lineage lavender 16 … Load halium boot  … Flash gsi ubports
 @By brian All rights reserved [Redmi note 7  … Install twrp  … Then flash orange for r11 … Then wipe data  … Then insta …], ohw what about with the ubports installer?
 Really sad how Redmi Note 7 got UBports but Realme 3 Pro from around the same time has no cool stuff. :(( … Some people from RM3P group have tried porting Halium but to no avail. 😔
[18:15] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> You. can use the installer. But I found mobile data does not work
 @By brian All rights reserved [You. can use the installer. But I found mobile data does not work], oh ok, but how different are the instructions for the installer?
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> But flashing with orange fox etc works and is a daily driver
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Using installer is easier
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> You still need to unlock the boot loader with mi flash
[18:17] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> And downgrade to lineage 16 before you use the installer
 tbh i would love to see the gsi supported but i have no idea what would be needed for that
 hmm there are a couple of people in the welcome room that need help with installing the redmi note 7
[18:19] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I noticed also the browser on the installer is older than when you use the orange fox method
[18:20] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Help
 eh?
[18:20] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> When you use the u ports installer
[18:20] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> It seems to load an older web browser
 the installer itself you mean?
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[18:21] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yeah
 that's probably electron being a bit old
 iirc tis electron 10 or soemthing
 it's probably a confusion
 [Edit] iirc tis electron 10 or something
[18:21] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Also the mobile data would not work
 By brian did you have Morph browser when using Installer?
 wait do you mean Morph?
[18:22] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yeah
[18:22] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> The icon is different
 which icon the globe or the butterfly?
 Morph is newer
[18:23] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> It’s like butterfly
 the butterfly is newer actually
[18:23] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I thought that
[18:23] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> But a trade off for mobile … Data
[18:24] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Fingerprint scanner works also
[18:24] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> But not with the ubports installer
 guess those things need to be fixed by the porter, the issue with gsi is that its outdated
[18:25] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/58RMXbxx.png
 and i have no idea what needs to enable ota updates
 @By brian All rights reserved [<reply to media>], yes that the older version of morph
[18:25] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Wasn’t sure
 now you are morph got an new icon
 it was announced in https://t.me/ubports_news
[18:28] <ubptgbot> DennoGram was added by: DennoGram
 https://t.me/ubports_news/722
 GSI is older version of everything
[18:28] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yeah that’s what you get when you use the installer
 it is not officially supported (otherwise you'd get it from the installer)
 as you can see that was announced in november
[18:29] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yes
 so the gsi's image has gotten an update in at least 3 months
[18:30] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Can someone edit the installer so mobile data works on redmi note 7
[18:30] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I used gsi 10
 someone needs to trace what caused that regression
 it's not obvious
 @By brian All rights reserved [Can someone edit the installer so mobile data works on redmi note 7], the porter/maintainer would have to do that
[18:31] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yeah exactly well I’ve proved it works with gsi and not with the installer
 @By brian All rights reserved [Yeah exactly well I’ve proved it works with gsi and not with the installer], uh yes that's called a 'regression'
[18:31] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> They are aware anyway of issues
[18:32] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Will take some time they need more programmers
 either way to resolve this, would mean either someone figures out what caused the regression or whatever someone get ota updates working on the gsi
 Hello. Please tell me where to read more detailed instructions for installing ubuntu touch on sony xperia 10/10 plus. I have been in linux for a long time, but I don't understand how to do it a little
[18:34] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> It available for that phone
[18:34] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Not
 I looked at the instructions here … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/kirin/
[18:35] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Oh it sorry my mistake
 @DennoGram [I looked at the instructions here … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/kirin/], hi, have you seen this blurp of te— wait it's listed?
 have you checkout the forum thread?
 If it's not supported by installer yet, you need to install stock Android 9 firmware and flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs/893342411/artifacts/browse/out/ via fastboot
 porter is Heng
 Thanks
 Fwd from Fuseteam: hi, have you seen this blurp of te— wait it's listed?
 Fwd from Fuseteam: have you checkout the forum thread?
 Fwd from NotKit: If it's not supported by installer yet, you need to install stock Android 9 firmware and flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs/893342411/artifacts/browse/out/ via fastboot
 [Edit] Thanks 😊
 why did you forward those messages?
 @DennoGram [If it's not supported by installer yet, you need to install stock Android 9 firm …], I will try it
 @By brian All rights reserved [You. can use the installer. But I found mobile data does not work], is this issue still there for note7 if we use the UBports? So to use it as a daily and only driver, only way is to follow those steps (twrp, lineage, etc etc) ?
[18:44] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Yes mate that’s what I found out
[18:45] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I tried yesterday with the installer still same for me no mobile data
 Hey, trying to put zip image onto my Nexus 6p...Have a problem flashing onto boot — when I try to flash the fastboot tells me archive does not contain boot.syg. Any idea on this?
[18:52] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> You using twrp
[18:52] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> I would use twrp
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 @humbl3one [is this issue still there for note7 if we use the UBports? So to use it as a dai …], daily driver depends on what you want, the ubports installer version has regular updates and some hardware not working, gsi has those hardware working but no regular updates
 @Allen [Hey, trying to put zip image onto my Nexus 6p...Have a problem flashing onto boo …], use twrp to install the ota zip
 this convo may help you Allen https://t.me/WelcomePlus/73149
 its also about installing the 6p
 it is a bit lengthy but i'm unsure how to condense it atm
 Use twrp to install  ota.zip? Where is ota.zip? on my phone? don't understand.
 click the link i send, the conversation i link goes in depth about it
 uhhh do you have twrp installed btw?
 [Edit] click the link i send, the conversation I linked goes in depth about the steps
 if that convo is a bit too lengthy i may have to find a way to summarize it
[19:10] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Twrp advanced then use adb side load image name send file to phone then flash
 @By brian All rights reserved [Mobile data now works only problem I’m having is Bluetooth in car connects but d …], So - were you able to get mobile data by installing the older GSI image instead of the current installer image - or were you able to get mobile data going with current installer image??
 he's on the older GSI afaict
 @Fuseteam [he's on the older GSI afaict], I've got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 coming to me tomorrow, and wondering which way to proceed.
 @TotalSonic [I've got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 coming to me tomorrow, and wondering which way to …], from what brian has told me, more hardware works on the gsi. but the gsi has no ota updates
 @Fuseteam [from what brian has told me, more hardware works on the gsi. but the gsi has no …], Thanks, sounds like I should start with the GSI install, and then change to an RC channel once fixes roll out
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 @dohbee [yeah, maybe we should just drop support for pro5, just to get rid of that change], I'm agreeing that this probably needs to happen - it seems crazy that support for a single discontinued, hard to get, and often difficult to flash phone (and that is limited to HSPA/3G in USA) is preventing better support for lots of other UT de
[20:35] <ubptgbot> vices that are much more readily available.  And I say this as an owner of a Meizu Pro 5.
 Does it make sense to do an anti-trust law suit to try and get access to what has been some proprietary code for VoLTE?  I wonder if EFF.org would be willing to help in an effort for that.
 I am bummed out to hear about AT&T's whitelisting suddenly making a UT device unable to continue to use its service - I am on T-mobile now but don't know whether I will be able to continue to use UT for my daily driver after this month on it - and was hoping to migrate to AT&T for 2021.
 Supposedly T-mobile will start shutting its 2G/3G service for calls off after 1/29
 @TotalSonic [Does it make sense to do an anti-trust law suit to try and get access to what ha …], i don't think we have the resources for that
 @Fuseteam [i don't think we have the resources for that], Exactly why it would be good to get EFForg involved since this kind of thing is what they do
 We would just have to contact them with the issue in order for them to formulate a brief.  Frankly I don't know who controls the VoLTE standard though
 i don't think "anti-trust" would work anyway, since it's not a question of monopoly
 @dohbee [i don't think "anti-trust" would work anyway, since it's not a question of monop …], Except it's arguably a near-duopoly of mobile OS's and the smallest competitors are being kept out by cartelized actions that do not allow them to work with the new  communications "standards" for frequency bands that are already government re
[20:47] <ubptgbot> gulated.  And harm against the consumer can be argued in this case due to the lack of  privacy and control the duopoly mobile OS's provide.
 it's like trying to file an anti-trust against volvo because they decided to only make electric cars in the future
 @dohbee [it's like trying to file an anti-trust against volvo because they decided to onl …], Except anyone can make an electric car - that's not dependent on proprietary info.  But if government regulations limit band usage, and only give access to those bands to a few companies, then seems we are in a position where we should be able
[20:50] <ubptgbot>  to get access to info that allows us to be able to compete within those new standards.
 anyone can make an alternate cellular standard too
 But you are likely correct that it would be a losing battle. As I said - I don't even know who would get targeted in that suit.
 but doing either one takes significant resources which most people don't have
 @dohbee [anyone can make an alternate cellular standard too], That's true - still, the infrastructures to deploy more 2G/3G so that UT phones could still make calls cost at least millions (if to billions) though - and the gov has already limited and sold the access for this.
 @dohbee [anyone can make an alternate cellular standard too], [Edit] That's true - still, the infrastructures to deploy more 2G/3G so that UT phones could still make calls cost at least millions (if to billions) though - and the gov has already limited and sold the access for this bandwidth
 Do all UT phones require 3g to make calls?
 yes, they all require GSM
 So what happens in a few months when its gone? What does that mean for the whole project?
 its still in use elsewhere in the world fwiw
 well it means devices that can't do VoLTE won't be usable as phones i guess, at least on networks that don't support older technology
 @Drymarchon [So what happens in a few months when its gone? What does that mean for the whole …], It means that those of us who use UT in the USA (and other effected areas) as a daily driver, will have to only use it as a WiFi device, and will have to go back to some variant of Android or iOS for a phone that can make phone calls and u
[20:56] <ubptgbot> se mobile data 😭
 and we need help to get VoLTE working
 it would help if some people didn't spread assumptive misinformation though
 @Drymarchon [So what happens in a few months when its gone? What does that mean for the whole …], [Edit] It means that those of us who use UT in the USA (and other effected areas) as a daily driver, will have to only use it as a WiFi device, and will have to go back to some variant of Android or iOS for a phone that can make phone call
[20:57] <ubptgbot> s (and possibly even to use mobile data, if devices are not "whitelisted") 😭
 Yup - at this point I am just in "guess I'll find out soon" mode.
 But the notices that T-mobile and other carriers which were previously all good for UT devices here in the USA are indeed very real.
 [Edit] But the notices that T-mobile and other carriers, which were previously all good for UT devices here in the USA, have made are indeed very real.
 What kind of help is needed to get VoLTE working with UT?
 @dohbee [and we need help to get VoLTE working], which, depends on some proprietary info, correct?
 Excuse my ignorance here, just trying to learn, not suggest anything, but why is it that Lineage and other roms have VoLTE but UT doesn't? How are they able to bring that technology into their builds?
 @TotalSonic [which, depends on some proprietary info, correct?], not necessarily
 and well UT isn't the only one affected
 @dohbee [not necessarily], That's good!
 Sailfish i guess has similar issue
 @dohbee [Sailfish i guess has similar issue], and Phosh/Pure, KDE Plasma Mobile and Lune as well?
 @Drymarchon [Excuse my ignorance here, just trying to learn, not suggest anything, but why is …], well android roms are still android and using all android stack for telephony. they aren't using ofono or other things
 oh ok, thank you
 @TotalSonic [and Phosh/Pure, KDE Plasma Mobile and Lune as well?], PureOS is probably using modemmanager, so it might work already. anything using ofono i guess has an issue right now
 or may have an issue
 it's not entirely clear that VoLTE doesn't work on all devices
 Yeah - it's why I ordered in a more recent device of Xiaomi Redmi Note 7, since the Volla Phone I ordered seems to be lost in a cargo ship hold since December 9.  Hoping that it will still work
 My old daily driver of Meizu Pro 5 will definitely NOT, given it doesn't even get 4G/LTE here in USA - and who knows about my backup of a OnePlus One
 Sot it seems to me that right now is the time to get normal people involved. A massive chunk of people are pretty angry with "big tech." There must be a way to use that movement and anger to push UT forward and demand the release of whats needed for VoLTE. Possibly build a following on MINDS and get more anti big tech voices involved.
[21:08] <ubptgbot> I could definitely be wrong
 well "normal people" tend to not understand anything about how cellular networks function on a technical level :)
 VoLTE isn't the only issue though. We also don't have RCS support
 Rich Communication Service?
 yes
 @TotalSonic [We would just have to contact them with the issue in order for them to formulate …], for the last part, pretty sure it's https://gsma.com
 Of course, I'm not suggesting have them do anything technical. I'm suggesting using the current anti big tech movement as means to push forward. They don't have to understand anything except the needed items are being held hostage by big companies so to speak. Make memes, groups, post about it, etc... nothing tech related. … Electric c
[21:20] <ubptgbot> ars are a good example. They have existed since cars were first invented. Been redesigned various times. Never took off. Insert hatred of pollution and big oil and global warming and Ellon used that movement and pushed forward and now Tesla is what it is. Without that movement his idea wouldn't have taken off the way it did.
 @dohbee [for the last part, pretty sure it's https://gsma.com], thanks for the info