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| seb128 | juliank, hey, did you see bug #1912718 which claims to be a regression from the recent oem changes | 08:39 |
| ubottu | bug 1912718 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager: clicks do not toggle checkboxes for "Remove old kernels"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912718 | 08:39 |
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| juliank | seb128: people claim a lot, half the time it's wrong. I don't have any insight into this feature and what it does | 10:42 |
| juliank | you can see it's been tagged incoming, so it'll be discussed next thursday | 10:43 |
| juliank | like why blame the oem changes and not the hwe kernel grouping changes | 10:44 |
| seb128 | SRU team ^ we might want to back that update out of focal-updates or .2 until the regression is sorted out | 10:47 |
| seb128 | sil2100, ^ fyi | 10:47 |
| seb128 | juliank, one week to wait is really suboptimal with the LTS .2 coming | 10:48 |
| juliank | the update is already phased at 0% | 10:49 |
| juliank | it's not like anyone gets it | 10:49 |
| juliank | i just autoremoved my kernels yesterday, so I'm not going to be helpful | 10:50 |
| seb128 | juliank, did we land apt phasing in focal? if not any apt user would still get the updated version... | 10:51 |
| juliank | no | 10:52 |
| seb128 | also the .2 ISO doesn't care about the phasing % | 10:52 |
| juliank | yes | 10:52 |
| seb128 | it's going to include the current versions | 10:52 |
| juliank | I don't have insight into this, but holding back the update from .2 seems like the wrong approach | 10:53 |
| seb128 | it's fine if you don't want to handle that regression, still I think it should be on the release team list to check before .2 | 10:53 |
| seb128 | right, shipping a regression in a LTS point release is also the wrong approach | 10:53 |
| juliank | seb128: I can confirm the bug in hirsute | 10:57 |
| juliank | seb128: yeah this is a regression from the linux hwe change, as it now matches versioned packages rather than meta packages | 10:59 |
| juliank | So I guess we gotta add a tag to bug 1902025 | 11:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1902025 in update-manager (Ubuntu Groovy) "hwe kernel not scoped under "Ubuntu Base"" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1902025 | 11:01 |
| juliank | seb128: So I can revert those changes, in SRUs at least, the devel change history is harder to revert... | 11:06 |
| juliank | but maybe bdmurray and JawnSmith want to actually fixi t | 11:07 |
| juliank | We do have another regression report that causes phasing to go to 0% which I don't understand | 11:07 |
| juliank | https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/eac836e467681c6b96247949de5b356d6c3da968 | 11:07 |
| juliank | people apparently using the synaptic backend (despite aptdaemon being installed) | 11:08 |
| juliank | did they remove their aptd binary? | 11:08 |
| juliank | weird | 11:08 |
| juliank | (they certainly don't set the environment variable forcing aptdaemon as we can see in ProcEnvironment file) | 11:09 |
| juliank | Should be fixed too | 11:09 |
| juliank | but arguably we have no way to collaborate on SRUs of update-manager | 11:10 |
| juliank | there is no repo, so I can't commit a fix and have the others commit their fixes :/ | 11:10 |
| seb128 | juliank, those reports are from LXQt desktops | 11:11 |
| seb128 | so that flavor is probably not installing aptdaemon? | 11:11 |
| juliank | seb128: Dependencies says "aptdaemon 1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu32.3" | 11:11 |
| juliank | that's why I said, they both have aptdaemon installed and not set the variable, so how do they enter the codepath :D | 11:12 |
| seb128 | juliank, you don't know if they have not set the variable, I think the ProcEnviron is only listed a selected set of variables | 11:13 |
| seb128 | otherwise you would have things like XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP in there | 11:13 |
| seb128 | or XDG_DATA_DIRS | 11:13 |
| juliank | ah | 11:13 |
| seb128 | juliank, that's the environment variable that sets the backend? | 11:13 |
| juliank | UPDATE_MANAGER_FORCE_BACKEND_SYNAPTIC=1 | 11:14 |
| sil2100 | I don't have context, what regression are we talking about? | 11:14 |
| juliank | I think making it "return" or "pass" instead of "raise NotImplementedError" | 11:14 |
| juliank | sil2100: We have two | 11:14 |
| seb128 | sil2100, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1912718 is the one I'm concerned about for desktop | 11:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1912718 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager: clicks do not toggle checkboxes for "Remove old kernels"" [Undecided,New] | 11:15 |
| juliank | sil2100: A regression from bug 1902025 means kernels are not autoremoved anymore (bug 1902025), and another regression from the oem stuff causes crashes for users forcing synaptic backend | 11:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1902025 in update-manager (Ubuntu Groovy) "hwe kernel not scoped under "Ubuntu Base"" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1902025 | 11:15 |
| seb128 | sil2100, I think it should be resolved for .2 | 11:15 |
| juliank | I don't know what the right answer for bug 1902025 is | 11:16 |
| juliank | but certainly matching all kernel packages when we're trying to find meta packages isn't | 11:16 |
| juliank | Reverting that change is easy which means hwe kernels won't be scoped under Ubuntu base again, but meh | 11:16 |
| juliank | I don't know if we can just revert the upload | 11:17 |
| juliank | that'd be something to discuss with the OEM team, as I don't know what people agreed upon | 11:18 |
| sil2100 | Well, I'd revert the change if anything if we know this particular change caused the regression | 11:19 |
| sil2100 | Since backing off the package from focal-updates is really not that helpful | 11:19 |
| juliank | Laney can reproduce the other issue - the NotImplementedError, but I don't have luck so far | 11:19 |
| juliank | ah I need to be on an enabled system | 11:20 |
| sil2100 | Reverting all the changes, well, as juliank mentioned, this upload has more changes than just this so it's troublesome | 11:20 |
| juliank | We can wait a couple hours and give bdmurray and jawnsmith a chance to fix it | 11:20 |
| juliank | the hwe kernel regression | 11:21 |
| juliank | but I'm not sure what the right solution is there | 11:21 |
| juliank | Let's see | 11:23 |
| juliank | * UpdateManager/Dialogs.py: do not mention livepatch settings when the | 11:25 |
| juliank | interface is not installed, thanks to Sebastien Bacher for the patch. | 11:25 |
| juliank | (LP: #1807900) | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1807900 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager suggests to use Livepatch, which is not available" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1807900 | 11:25 |
| juliank | ugh | 11:25 |
| juliank | extracting those individual changes and _not_ reverting them is hard | 11:25 |
| juliank | There is a ton of test changes that I can't trace to anything | 11:26 |
| Laney | make a branch this time | 11:27 |
| Laney | seriously | 11:27 |
| juliank | Laney: I'm mostly talking about hirsute, which has a branch :D | 11:27 |
| juliank | a bzr branch | 11:27 |
| juliank | and everything is in "release" merge commits | 11:28 |
| juliank | How do I revert a commit in bzr even? | 11:29 |
| juliank | As I said, fixing the SRUs is easy, it's not split over 20 commits there | 11:30 |
| juliank | I want to revert changes 2900.2.* | 11:33 |
| juliank | which come after 2901 | 11:34 |
| Laney | I think you bzr merge the inverse of them, or something like that | 11:34 |
| Laney | juliank: https://git.launchpad.net/~laney/update-notifier/commit/?id=b6f277875d95130ab0b5bc9a5e4d26511f25a3d4 any comment? I didn't realise apt.Cache() could fail, but it can and this error has stopped phasing :> | 11:35 |
| juliank | No matter what I do, it also reverts the change in 2900 | 11:36 |
| juliank | ugh it was a silent reformatting in a release commit | 11:37 |
| Laney | need to get better at vcs discipline ¬_¬ | 11:38 |
| juliank | I think I got it now | 11:39 |
| juliank | Laney: Well that's the way bzr is supposed to be used and that's why git won :D | 11:40 |
| juliank | rebasing and producing clean commits rather than just have huge numbers of fixups in merges | 11:41 |
| juliank | running autopkgtest now for hirstue | 11:43 |
| sil2100 | juliank: give me a sign once you have something for update-manager! I'm leaving it in your hands o/ | 11:43 |
| juliank | sil2100: Please remove update-manager 20.10.2 from groovy, it only contained the broken change | 11:45 |
| juliank | sil2100: Or should I upload higher-versioned revert so people get update? | 11:46 |
| sil2100 | juliank: I think it makes more sense to do a versioned revert, because this one has been around for quite a while now | 11:51 |
| juliank | sil2100: ack | 11:51 |
| juliank | focal is running autopkgtests now | 11:54 |
| Laney | look at my ping now >:| | 11:55 |
| juliank | though to be fair, I compared against the 20.04.10.3 upload I created (which was replaced) | 11:55 |
| juliank | huh | 11:56 |
| juliank | git-ubuntu is missing the 20.10.3 upload | 11:56 |
| rbasak | juliank: which package? | 12:01 |
| rbasak | update-notifier? | 12:01 |
| juliank | rbasak: update-manager | 12:01 |
| rbasak | It's in the queue. I can bump priority if you'd like? | 12:02 |
| rbasak | Queue size is 189 - mostly language-pack-* | 12:03 |
| juliank | rbasak: Nah, I worked around locally | 12:03 |
| juliank | :D | 12:03 |
| rbasak | OK! | 12:03 |
| juliank | sil2100: update-managers for focal, groovy ready | 12:03 |
| sil2100 | juliank: thanks! Will look in a moment! | 12:04 |
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| * Laney times out on feedback from juliank and uploads | 12:39 | |
| juliank | Laney: I did not have any comment, all was good, fwiw | 12:39 |
| Laney | thanks, same effect then :> | 12:39 |
| Laney | silly bugs are silly | 12:40 |
| Laney | heh we have two different tagging schemes going on in update-notifier git | 12:47 |
| Laney | doko: just saw https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PythonNoSemanticInterpositionSpeedup on LWN, have you/we considered doing the same? | 12:57 |
| doko | Laney: how would that help? the interpreter is not linked with the shared libpython | 12:59 |
| Laney | k thanks for the feedback | 13:00 |
| sil2100 | 13:57 < sil2100> juliank: hey, do we have a bug for the commit_oem issues with the synaptic backend? | 13:02 |
| sil2100 | 13:58 < sil2100> Since I'd like that linked in with a separate tracking bug if anything | 13:03 |
| sil2100 | 14:00 < sil2100> The error tracker report doesn't seem to have a bug yet | 13:03 |
| Laibsch | Hello, long-time Ubuntu contributor here. I've always had an interest in LTS and I'd like to become an LTS dev. Alas, my wiki page says immutable. Is this a common problem? I thought a wiki page was still part of the application. | 13:04 |
| Laibsch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie | 13:04 |
| rbasak | Laibsch: try logging out and logging in again to the wiki please | 13:04 |
| Laibsch | Sure | 13:04 |
| Laibsch | Good to see some of the old names still around ;-) | 13:04 |
| doko | Laney: there's also #948802, now replied to | 13:05 |
| Laibsch | rbasak: It's still immutable. | 13:05 |
| Laibsch | Last touched in 2014. | 13:05 |
| rbasak | There were some spam issues in the wiki AFAIK, which meant that people had to be approved, which was basically done for every real person. | 13:06 |
| rbasak | Let me see if I can find that. | 13:06 |
| sil2100 | juliank: I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1913732 via the error tracker | 13:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1913732 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/update-manager:NotImplementedError:<lambda>:on_button_install_clicked:start_install:_start_pane:start:commit_oem" [Undecided,New] | 13:07 |
| Laibsch | rbasak: FWIW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda is immutable for me as well. | 13:08 |
| Laibsch | I'm logged in via Ubuntu One. | 13:08 |
| rbasak | Laibsch: sorry I can't find a reference. I think either your login is screwed up somehow (bug in wiki.ubuntu.com?) or you need to belong to some "I'm not a spammer" team. Could you ask in #canonical-sysadmin please? | 13:09 |
| Laibsch | ocf | 13:09 |
| Laibsch | ofc | 13:09 |
| Laibsch | thx | 13:09 |
| GunnarHj | Laibsch: You need to be a member of ~ubuntu-wiki-editors. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide#Contributing | 13:09 |
| rbasak | Ah, thanks. | 13:09 |
| rbasak | I was looking at my own memberships. I'm not a member! | 13:09 |
| Laibsch | I guess not many people applying for elevated privileges these days anymore | 13:09 |
| Laibsch | rbasak: Haha, that's classic. | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | Spam makes everything terrible | 13:10 |
| Laibsch | nice! ;-) | 13:10 |
| Laibsch | Yes, spam sucks | 13:10 |
| rbasak | It's just anti-spam. I believe the bar for membership of that team is low :) | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | I suspect that the actual permissions are the union of ~ubuntu-wiki-editors and a few other teams | 13:10 |
| GunnarHj | rbasak: As a dev you are a member of ubuntu-members, which also gives edit access to the wikis. | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | There we go | 13:10 |
| rbasak | That explains it. Thanks :) | 13:10 |
| sil2100 | juliank: ok, added it to your changelog entry and re-uploaded | 13:11 |
| Laibsch | popey: You are listed as the admin of that team. Maybe you can have a look and approve r0lf for wiki editing? (notice the zero instead of o) | 13:11 |
| popey | hello there | 13:12 |
| Laibsch | Hi, that was fast! | 13:12 |
| popey | Done! | 13:12 |
| Laibsch | I need wiki edit rights for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie | 13:12 |
| Laibsch | Thanks! | 13:12 |
| popey | Might need to logout / back in, and refresh the page | 13:13 |
| popey | Sacrificing chickens in chalk pentagrams is optional and may also help. | 13:13 |
| Laibsch | Yup, that worked. Thanks a bunch. | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | Silly, chickens are for SCSI | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | Wiki needs goats | 13:14 |
| Laibsch | bdmurray: while we are at it, would you be so kind to renew my membership in https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad (It's been pending for a while, I've been a member for about a decade or so, but dropped out last year) | 13:24 |
| Laibsch | https://launchpad.net/~r0lf is my LP handle | 13:24 |
| Laibsch | hggdh: you were the last one to renew my membership in November 2019. Maybe you can pull the switch again this time for me for bugsquad? | 13:41 |
| sil2100 | juliank, seb128: can one of you confirm that the reverted update-manager in focal-proposed fixes the regression? | 13:43 |
| juliank | sil2100: Sorry I somehow did not get notifications | 14:06 |
| sil2100 | Laibsch: hey! We see that you have added your name to both the SRU developer and MOTU applications to the DMB Agenda | 14:07 |
| juliank | ah it seems i turned them off | 14:07 |
| sil2100 | Laibsch: sadly this is not enough information for us to consider your applications - please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess and prepare all necessary steps | 14:08 |
| sil2100 | Laibsch: thank you! | 14:08 |
| Laibsch | I'm in the process of doing that, just securing my slot | 14:09 |
| sil2100 | Laibsch: there's not too many applicants usually, so just feel free to add your name once you have the base application and a date at which you'd want to apply | 14:10 |
| sil2100 | For now I have removed your name from the agenda - but just re-add it with the application link and date | 14:11 |
| teward | Laibsch: as a DMB member I would rather you get your application in order first before you put it on the agenda, taking into account sil's statements :) | 14:12 |
| teward | sometimes getting the apps in line takes longer than you expect ;) | 14:12 |
| teward | *points at Eickmeyer as an example* took him 3 months to get his application in order :P | 14:13 |
| teward | ('course i use that as an extreme example - i know why there was a delay there) | 14:13 |
| rbasak | FWIW, I'd prefer to give some latitude here. If an application is ready soonish, I'm not bothered what order things happen in. | 14:13 |
| teward | *shrugs* guess i'm a stickler for getting ducks in order :P | 14:15 |
| rbasak | Getting an application in ends up annoyingly circular sometimes. | 14:15 |
| rbasak | I remember being asked by potential endorsers "What's the meeting date" "I don't know I'm supposed to get endorsements first" etc. | 14:15 |
| rbasak | So to avoid sending applicants around in circles, even if the formal process doesn't require that, I prefer just to let them sort out their ducks in whatever order they want :) | 14:16 |
| sil2100 | Well, yes, but in this case there was no date and no application started | 14:30 |
| seb128 | sil2100, sorry I can't easily do that today, I don't have a focal setup to trigger the bug handy and that's not a quiet day :-/ | 14:47 |
| hggdh | Laibsch: done | 15:39 |
| Laibsch | hggdh: Thank you so much!! | 15:40 |
| sil2100 | juliank: so will you be able to somehow easily verify LP: #1912718 today? | 15:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1912718 in update-manager (Ubuntu Hirsute) "update-manager: clicks do not toggle checkboxes for "Remove old kernels"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1912718 | 15:49 |
| juliank | sil2100: gotta boot a focal vm and install some old kernels | 16:00 |
| juliank | mark them auto, then run update-manager | 16:00 |
| juliank | Of course, if somebody else already has a VM that would save some effort :D | 16:00 |
| juliank | Ugh guess I dcan just boot live disc, too | 16:00 |
| juliank | sil2100: I verified that bug, maybe Laney can check the other one? I fail getting OEM packages to appear in the first place atm | 16:18 |
| juliank | it's weird | 16:18 |
| Laney | you can just write oem-qemu-meta to $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/ubuntu-drivers-oem.package-list probably | 16:19 |
| juliank | Laney: nvermind, my update-manager was too old :D | 16:20 |
| Laney | /o\ | 16:20 |
| juliank | Laney: Oh well, this crashed too | 16:23 |
| juliank | ah | 16:23 |
| juliank | ugh | 16:23 |
| juliank | no synaptic installed | 16:23 |
| juliank | I should really drink some tea | 16:23 |
| Laney | hahahaha | 16:23 |
| Laney | having a good afternoon over there | 16:23 |
| Laney | I have no idea how much the synaptic backend actually works | 16:24 |
| juliank | I'm going to kill that backend in hirsute soon | 16:24 |
| juliank | Not sure if anything is happening, but oh well, it's not crashing | 16:24 |
| juliank | It doesn't seem to do anything | 16:26 |
| juliank | The one in release pocket works but throws an AttributeError | 16:28 |
| juliank | damn it | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | uh | 16:32 |
| juliank | I alt+f4d gedit in the vm, but I actually alt+f4d the vm | 16:34 |
| juliank | Today is really not the day for this | 16:34 |
| juliank | This is going to remain broken one way or the other, we can't really fix it | 16:35 |
| juliank | as in, you see the oem packages but they do nothing | 16:36 |
| Laney | I guess you get the stuff next time | 16:40 |
| Laney | or is it really nothing, like they're in the list but not installed? | 16:40 |
| juliank | Laney: So current commit fixes the crash but never launches synaptic, gets stuck idling in main loop | 16:41 |
| juliank | Laney: Have to call action_done | 16:41 |
| juliank | from commit_oem | 16:41 |
| juliank | Then it basically ignores installing oem pacakges | 16:41 |
| Laney | oh I see, yeah, you have to move from PRE_INSTALL to INSTALL | 16:43 |
| Laney | annoying | 16:43 |
| juliank | Laney: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8mrT3tfWjr/ | 16:46 |
| juliank | Laney: copied from live focal system, so already pre-verified :D | 16:46 |
| juliank | uploaded | 16:47 |
| sil2100 | New update-manager | 16:51 |
| sil2100 | yay | 16:51 |
| juliank | sil2100: At least it's already verified, so we don't need more time than building it :D | 16:52 |
| sil2100 | Weeeeeeeeell, the process requires testing the built binaries! Though uh, this is python so whatever | 16:52 |
| juliank | :D | 16:52 |
| juliank | It's close enough | 16:52 |
| juliank | Next day we do something like this, please let it be a day where I'm not half dead | 16:53 |
| juliank | Sleep tracking looks great, but it was a terrible night | 16:54 |
| juliank | Laney: don't we also need your new update-notifier for .2? | 16:58 |
| juliank | ah I guess it's more meh than the crashes in update-manager | 16:59 |
| juliank | :D | 16:59 |
| Laney | no particular opinion there, do you think you can get into that situation from an image? | 16:59 |
| Laney | i seem to remember that update-manager is somehow disabled there actually but that could be wrong | 16:59 |
| juliank | probably the notifications are turned off | 16:59 |
| juliank | Anyhow I think I'm done for now, and will hop on Zwift to get some 20km virtual cycling in - 3 days left in this month and 54 kilometers left to reach my 400 km goal | 17:00 |
| juliank | Also need to find free space in the kitchen to actually make dinner :/ | 17:01 |
| sil2100 | Ok, the action_done stuff looks legit, accepting | 17:01 |
| juliank | :) | 17:01 |
| sil2100 | plz mark verified once it's all built and shiny | 17:01 |
| juliank | I'm out for like 1-2 hours with a break in the middle I can check in | 17:02 |
| juliank | but it's a busy evening :/ | 17:02 |
| bdmurray | Laney: Are you good with https://code.launchpad.net/~jawn-smith/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/396616 now? | 17:13 |
| Laney | sure, I can approve | 17:16 |
| bdmurray | I can do the uploads just wanted to make sure you are happy with it. | 17:16 |
| Laney | I dunno what prompted the latest 'no system bus is present' stuff though, the desktop will not work at all if that's the case | 17:17 |
| Laney | but surrrrrrrrrrre | 17:17 |
| bdmurray | It failed to build | 17:17 |
| Laney | commented with a suggestion to squash it all and approved, cheers | 17:18 |
| bdmurray | thanks! | 17:19 |
| jdstrand | xnox: yeah, that's what I was going to resort to depending on what rick_h said (not sure how this is expected to work) | 18:41 |
| juliank | bloody alt+f4 hell in vms | 20:14 |
| juliank | sil2100: verified the bugs, actually reverified them properly :D | 20:20 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 20:21 |
| juliank | it took a bit longer than planned, seems I was not fast enough making dinner or post-ride finish up :/ | 20:22 |
| sil2100 | juliank: thank you! Will release soonish, even though it's Friday - but uh, better this than the regression | 20:22 |
| sil2100 | No worries, I also went AFK for some exercise earlier ;) | 20:22 |
| juliank | woohoo - exercise :) | 20:22 |
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