[00:00] <lubot> [telegram] <RikMills> Very fun :) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> this looks fun https://www.arkel-od.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Tim-Wiggins-Norway-Bikepacking.jpg)
[00:00] <wxl> i have a pic kind of like that somewhere with about that much snow except i was on an old cruiser bike i found XD
[00:01] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> pizza not lasagna (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> @teward001 don't deny it. also, go eat your lasagna)
[00:01] <wxl> pizza??? what kind of cat are you anyways? XD
[00:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> *smacks wxl again*
[00:02] <wxl> gee @teward001 you make this too easy. kind of like garfield!
[00:02] <kc2bez[m]> <wxl "this looks fun https://www.arkel"> It looks like something my son would do and love. 
[00:02] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> *accidentally's the CI infrastructure* oops.
[00:04] <teward> meh
[00:04] <teward> it's been a chaotic week cut me some slack :p
[00:05]  * kc2bez[m] sends Lenny to give teward a hug.
[00:07] <kc2bez[m]> It has been a rough one here too. Rougher than normal actually. Onward we go though. 
[00:10] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#zADb0VL1gyENGaP1GgK2ZA
[00:12] <kc2bez[m]> XD
[00:13] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> well I WAS going to run some updates to the Lubuntu CI... but maybe I"ll wait until next week to do it now
[00:13] <wxl> heheheheh
[00:13] <wxl> i'm sorry, there's no simon to pick on soooooooooooo
[00:14] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> so pick on Dan he's here :P
[00:15] <wxl> i haven't found something to pick on dan ABOUT yet
[00:15] <kc2bez[m]> He likes me :P
[00:15] <wxl> however, i do emphasize the word yet
[00:15] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> well then perhaps y'all should smack each other upside the head on the Council :P
[00:15] <wxl> how do you know we don't? XD
[00:17] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> lack of transparency means I don't know, but I can also just chaotically send you to the abyss lol
[00:18] <wxl> the abyss: home sweet home
[00:43] <wxl> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/improvements-for-hardware-support-in-ubuntu-desktop-installation-media/20606
[01:41] <kc2bez[m]> I am at a loss re bug 1910934
[01:41] <ubot93> Bug 1910934 in lxqt-config (Ubuntu) "lxqt loses natural scrolling" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910934
[01:42] <wxl> yeah i know
[01:44] <wxl> it's unfortunate there's no pid listed
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[22:40] <wxl> hey if anyone's got a trackpad available, does scrolling need to be on one of the non-disabled options for natural scrolling to work?
[22:43] <lynorian> what is natural scrolling again?
[22:43] <wxl> backwards XD
[22:43] <wxl> it drives me crazy
[22:43] <wxl> but it's the default for apple's
[22:44] <kc2bez[m]> I am not a fan either.
[22:45] <wxl> anyways this person who's having trouble with it has scrolling disabled and i'm wondering if that has an actual meaning or not
[22:46] <wxl> i can't even seem to make natural scrolling work at all in vbox
[22:47] <kc2bez[m]> Oh I follow you now. I would think scrolling needs to be enabled, yes. Let me test.
[22:49] <kc2bez[m]> Disabled does just that. Disables scrolling. I didn't notice that it took the mark off of natural scrolling though. I will try a reboot and see what happens.
[22:49] <lynorian> yes scrolling needs to be enabled for scrolling to work
[22:49] <wxl> ok then that's at least part of their problem
[22:49] <lynorian> apparently the input config gui lets you set natural scrolling on things that can't scroll
[22:50] <kc2bez[m]> After a reboot the box is still checked.
[22:51] <wxl> so setting scrolling to disabled does nothing to the setting for natural scrolling
[22:51] <wxl> but it DOES disable scrolling, right?
[22:51] <lynorian> I don't really think my steam controller has scrolling capability but the config lets me set natural scrolling for it 
[22:51] <lynorian> yes
[22:51] <wxl> so this person has a usb mouse
[22:51] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, can confirm disabled disables scrolling.
[22:51] <wxl> they likely do not have a touch area
[22:52] <wxl> maybe they have a roller wheel
[22:52] <wxl> in which case those other settings may be irrelevant
[22:52] <kc2bez[m]> Let me try that on my desktop
[22:52] <lynorian> natural scrolling works with my roller wheel
[22:52] <wxl> i.e. where "disabled" really means "disabled if a touch device, otherwise n/a"
[22:53] <wxl> lynorian: so with the roller wheel, if you have natural scrolling on and scrolling disabled, it does not work, right?
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> It already has disabled on my desktop with mouse
[22:53] <wxl> kc2bez[m]: are the other options greyed out?
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> The other options are greyed out and not available.
[22:53] <lynorian> it still  scrolls
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> yup
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> to both
[22:54] <lynorian> natural still reverses
[22:54] <kc2bez[m]> yes
[22:54] <wxl> ok well that was likely a red herring
[22:54] <wxl> although there is a "button" option in their picture
[22:54] <wxl> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/520298260/lxqt-natural-scrolling-unchecked-2.jpg
[22:55] <lynorian> I ahve the button option but am not sure what it does
[22:56] <kc2bez[m]> Gah, i can't live this way for long. My brain can't handle it.
[22:57] <wxl> "natural scrolling" is a classic case of apple's marketing genius
[22:58]  * kc2bez[m] uploaded an image: screenshot91.png (43KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aBwBMWEhPrcYoDCDukYFBOCj/screenshot91.png >
[22:58] <lynorian> making controls seems backwards is a bit disorenting
[22:58] <kc2bez[m]> I guess I have button scrolling but I have no idea what that is.
[22:58] <wxl> oh you have a button option too
[22:58] <lynorian> I also have a button option
[22:58] <lynorian> does anyone know what the button option is
[22:59] <kc2bez[m]> I don't notice any difference.
[23:00] <kc2bez[m]> I am on 20.10 so there is that too.
[23:00]  * lynorian is on 21.04 rigght now
[23:00] <kc2bez[m]> I don't have a physical machine with 20.04 right now.
[23:02]  * wxl shrugs
[23:06]  * lynorian looks at what the manual says and notices a slightly out of date screenshot 
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