[15:31] <Arrow88> is Lubuntu a full os like Ubuntu?
[15:31] <Arrow88> I am installing on a macbook pro, and wonder what to choose
[15:32] <Arrow88> new ssd drive, older machine, i7 or i5 cpu
[15:32] <Arrow88> I think I will find all I need in lubuntu
[15:32] <Arrow88> there are no restrictions on packages available?
[15:33] <Arrow88> how to sort out the bootup?
[15:35] <Arrow88> does in have a universally working player for web tv channels ?
[15:35] <Arrow88> I went for lubuntu
[15:35] <Arrow88> I think the machine will run well with basic Ubuntu or Debian too
[15:36] <Arrow88> I went for 19.04
[15:36] <Arrow88> I love talking to my self
[15:39] <dsc_> you will have the same packages available via `apt install` just as ubuntu
[15:40] <dsc_> you can try `sudo apt install -y vlc` for a videoplayer
[15:42] <Arrow88> I'm trying to burn iso on a mac
[15:52] <wxl[m]> Lubuntu is Ubuntu
[15:52] <wxl[m]> Both are a collection of packages in the Ubuntu archive
[15:53] <wxl[m]> AFAIK Intel Macs don't need any special treatment
[15:54] <wxl[m]> I've never used such a thing but you can search the archives
[15:54] <wxl[m]> 19.04 is EoL
[15:54] <wxl[m]> Not sure where you downloaded that or even got the idea to use it
[15:56] <wxl[m]> You will find few if any Mac users/owners here
[15:56] <wxl[m]> But again DO NOT USE 19.04
[16:00] <wxl[m]> Arrow88: If you insist on using it, you will get no updates or support. That includes security updates
[16:02] <dsc_> sudo will work .... for everyone!
[16:06] <Maik> Arrow88: which means you'll have a unsupported and vulnerable system if you install and keep using 19.04. Go with a LTS release like 20.04 if you are a newcomer.
[16:10] <wxl[m]> It won't work to get you updates on an old release as the sources aren't there to pull from
[16:14] <wxl[m]> <Arrow88 "I love talking to my self"> This
[16:14] <dsc_> haha
[16:15] <dsc_> btw wxl, Re: my networking issue ... I installed `linux-oem-20.04-edge` instead and now I'm on 5.10 and everything works
[16:25] <wxl[m]> I suspect it's the OEM aspect that makes it stable
[17:14] <Arrow88> lost connection
[17:14] <Arrow88> can not identify network, "probably not DHCP protocol"?
[17:14] <Arrow88> how I know what I have
[17:16] <kc2bez[m]> Arrow88: where did you download from, you mentioned 19.04 earlier.
[17:16] <Arrow88> from the offical lubuntu site
[17:17] <Arrow88> 18. behaves the same though
[17:17] <kc2bez[m]> we don't have a link to 19.04
[17:17] <kc2bez[m]> lubuntu.me/downloads
[17:18] <Arrow88> well, direct dowload from that site
[17:18] <Arrow88> https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[17:19] <kc2bez[m]> that is not our site ^
[17:19] <kc2bez[m]> lubuntu.me is the official site
[17:20] <kc2bez[m]> It is even in the channel topic
[17:20] <Arrow88> well, I downloaded from the lubuntu.net
[17:21] <kc2bez[m]> that won't work and is not supported. 19.04 is EOL a while ago
[17:21] <Arrow88> so, groovy gorilla?
[17:21] <kc2bez[m]> or focal fossa
[17:21] <Arrow88> so groovy gorilla?
[17:22] <Arrow88> hmm
[17:22] <kc2bez[m]> 20.04 or 20.10 are both supported
[17:23] <dsc_> whats the story behind lubuntu.me vs lubuntu.net
[17:23] <dsc_> looks like some ancient wordpress install
[17:23] <dsc_> making people download old stuff ;p
[17:24] <kc2bez[m]> It is sort of a long one and a bit off topic for the channel but it is not official and not up to date.
[17:24] <kc2bez[m]> The internet is hard to erase.
[17:25] <Arrow88> sorry about the messup
[17:25] <Arrow88> eol means not supported anymore?
[17:26] <kc2bez[m]> it is confusing, it isn't your fault.
[17:26] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, EOL means end of life product.
[17:26] <Arrow88> back in a bit, need to burn the iso
[17:27] <wxl[m]> It's also not under the control of the Lubuntu Team, Ubuntu project and/or Canonical
[17:28] <wxl[m]> For all practical purposes, it's entirely unrelated to Lubuntu
[17:29] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, that is a better summary, thanks wxl.
[17:46] <Arrow88> booting 20.
[17:46] <Arrow88> efi boot
[17:51] <Arrow88> can you get stuck in the live bootup?
[17:51] <apt-ghetto> Yes, that is possible
[17:54] <Arrow88> in 20. the md5 sum in checked on default
[17:54] <Arrow88> the burn was checked though
[17:56] <Arrow88> how old is 19.04?
[17:56] <apt-ghetto> 19.04 is too old
[17:57] <Arrow88> I redid it and went for Gorilla
[18:13] <Arrow88> anyone remember how keyboard settings works in Gorilla 20
[18:14] <Arrow88> where is country selecton for keyboard?
[18:14] <Arrow88> It was in the prestage of 19.04
[18:15] <Arrow88> in 20.10 it just booted up
[18:15] <Arrow88> went right for md5 check
[18:15] <Arrow88> and into live
[18:15] <Arrow88> any clever lubuntu guys around?
[18:15] <Arrow88> am I still here?
[18:17] <Arrow88> should I try debian or work with the situation?
[18:17] <kc2bez[m]> From the menu Preferences -> LXQt Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Layout
[18:17] <kc2bez[m]> You can also select it in the installer.
[18:19] <Arrow88> Thans
[18:19] <Arrow88> sorry, I was a bit slow there
[18:55] <Arrow88> hi
[20:21] <arrow888> is bootup the same on ubuntu or lubuntu=
[20:21] <arrow888> I am in live running lubuntu now
[20:22] <arrow888> this is after an attempt to install, but boot up goes into a folder with a question mark
[20:23] <arrow888> is there something I can do from the live session, or do I need to run a second install and delete harddrive?
[20:29] <guiverc> what release of Lubuntu?   (boot up varies on release too, but yes the bulk of the boot up is identical in Ubuntu & all flavors such as Lubuntu)
[20:29] <guiverc> arrow888, ^
[20:30] <arrow888> 20.10
[20:31] <arrow888> I am searching for info on what might be the issue, macbook issue
[20:32] <guiverc> boot up is identica for 20.10 for all boxes (older boxes used to boot differently from same ISO if booting on BIOS or uEFI mode... 20.10 is identical for lubuntu/ubuntu on all boxes)
[20:33] <arrow888> is there a way to check the ssd detection ?
[20:35] <arrow888> so, not an easy problem to handle
[20:35] <guiverc> sorry arrow888 I don't know, you've already asked on #ubuntu... be patient is all I can suggest
[20:36] <arrow888> ubuntu support forum has a separate section for apple hardware, and I though it wasnt that much of a difference thesed days¨
[20:36] <arrow888> true
[20:38] <guiverc> arrow888, many apple devices have various unique things (security chips that vary on model for example); normal pc users won't know about such things
[20:40] <arrow888> UEFI
[20:42] <arrow888> I find some apple support, but not linux directed issues
[20:47] <Maik> arrow888: stop cross posting, keep it in one channel. Either here or in #ubuntu, not both.
[20:48] <arrow888> ok
[20:51] <arrow888> what is UEFI option on macs, would they overrule a lubuntu install?
[21:20] <wxl> speaking of apple differences, i read correlium's blog post about getting ubuntu running on the m1 mac mini and it sounds like the entire architecture of their SoC is completely unlike anything else. remember their motto: think different
[21:21] <wxl> apple doesn't really want their users changing the things that fundamentally make an apple an apple and that includes the OS
[21:21] <arrow88> true, yet it runs on many of them
[21:21] <wxl> so there are occassionally little tricks you have to hunt and hunt and hunt for
[21:21] <wxl> you have to get really good at reading between the lines and figuring things out on your own
[21:22] <wxl> keeping an old mac running was what originally brought me to lubuntu but it was a total pain
[21:22] <wxl> i rejoiced when we stopped having images specific to macs
[21:22] <arrow88> I was hoping to find a mac user partial to linux
[21:23] <arrow88> replacing the boot ware on macs,
[21:23] <wxl> they are few and far between
[21:23] <wxl> it's really a lot of hassle
 there are a billion problems with booting Linux on Macs
 there's a TON of 'workarounds' you have to do
 there's a lot of 'nuances' and 'tweaks' and other things you have to do
 it's NOT TRIVIAL to get *nix onto a Mac
[21:24] <wxl> you might hear that from a lot of people, but i'm telling you as someone who has done it
 unless you're talking about virtualization
[21:24] <wxl> you might want to try ##linux even
[21:25] <wxl> i wasn't using an intel mac so can't help you there but i do know that there was some key i had to hold to get to the boot selection screen
[21:26] <wxl> i think it was option
[21:26] <arrow88> I once had lubuntu on an old ibook G5
[21:26] <arrow88> years ago
[21:26] <arrow88> it ran find, and booted fine
[21:26] <wxl> mine was a powerbook g4
[21:27] <arrow88> some issues with media player, streamed youtube, but not everything
[21:27] <wxl> it had a broadcom wifi chip so that was always a problem
[21:27] <arrow88> I had one of those late white ibooks
[21:28] <wxl> i also know you will get to that whole question mark screen if the image isn't valid
[21:28] <arrow88> this is yet an old mac, i5 or i7 cpu, and I was told there were no longer any issues with linux on the, nor windows
[21:28] <arrow88> md5 check came out fine
[21:29] <wxl> so you must (i mean you need to do this anyways, but) make sure that the ISO is valid and you must make sure the installation media is equally valid after you've copied it over
[21:29] <wxl> ^ note that means checking the md5 of the iso is NOT enough
[21:29] <wxl> if you don't, you get the old question mark
[21:29] <wxl> the biggest problem with macs in the past was the fact that they used ppc chips, which was super strange
[21:30] <wxl> there was also a wee era of the intel macs where they had some bizarre efi implementation that required its own image
[21:31] <arrow88> there is reFind to redo the mac UEFI
[21:31] <arrow88> I think ppc is only for servers today, and very powerfull stuff
[21:32] <arrow88> something to do with longterm data storage and safety
[21:32] <arrow88> I don't really know how it works
[21:35] <arrow88> ooohhhh, it is booting
[21:39] <arrow88> and updating
[21:58] <Dragon2> what irc client is good in lubuntu?
[21:58] <wxl> quassel comes with it assuming you're in 20.04 or greater
[21:59] <wxl> (technically 18.10 or greater but if you're on anything between 18.04 and 20.04 it's EoL so you shouldn't be ont hat)
[21:59] <Dragon2> I`m in 20.10
[22:00] <Dragon2> didn`t lubuntu used to have a package manager?
[22:00] <Dragon2> maybe that was another distro
[22:00] <wxl> uhhhh
[22:00] <wxl> EVERY verion of ubuntu has a package manager
[22:00] <Dragon2> software downloads
[22:00] <Dragon2> lol
[22:00] <wxl> that's what package managers do
[22:00] <Dragon2> sorry, it`s been so long since
[22:02] <Dragon2> in linux there was seamonkey, seagull, chromium, vivaldi, ...
[22:02] <Dragon2> this time it was firefox
[22:02] <wxl> well lubuntu is linux so that's all still relevant
[22:03] <Dragon2> addblockers in firefox, is in package manger or direct in browser
[22:07] <Dragon2> that is me in quassle
[22:07] <dragon2_> hi
[22:07] <kc2bez[m]> browser extensions are installed through the browser.
[22:09] <wxl> um, you install browser extensions in the browser
[22:09] <wxl> they are NOT packaged
[22:12] <dragon2_> thanks
[22:15] <dragon2_> how do you check hardware and specks?
[22:15] <wxl> `lshw` works nicely
[22:16]  * dragon2_ looks for lshw
[22:16] <wxl> open terminal
[22:16] <wxl> `sudo lshw`
[22:19] <dragon2_> a long list
[22:20] <wxl> well it's a long list of all your hardware, yes
[22:24] <wxl> you could so `sudo lshw -html > ~/foo.html` and then go to location `file:///home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/foo.html` in your browser
[22:29] <dragon2_> nice