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 Good news ... Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 receiving 4G/LTE over T-mobile using OTA-15 via installer
 ... will test other functions now
 @TotalSonic [Wish there were more options.], Ugh, yeah I wish there were more modern phones that Linux could be installed on.
 @strangebrew [Got the ubuntu touch phone a few years back , is the BQ aquaris one I think, is …], what do you mean "no way to install new stuff" 😳
 @TotalSonic [Good news ... Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 receiving 4G/LTE over T-mobile using OTA-15 vi …], Damn, those are yuge!!!  I can't go anything bigger han 6, I only have one hand.  Anything bigger gets too big to operate.
 👍
 @Denny_Crane69 [Ugh, yeah I wish there were more modern phones that Linux could be installed on.], that's not the issue tho, there are "modern" phones you can install UT on
 Crap - receiver's voice echoes back at them via calls on Xiaomi Redmi
 [Edit] Crap - receiver's voice echoes back at them via calls on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7
 ... so I still can't use this for a daily driver
 @TotalSonic [Good news ... Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 receiving 4G/LTE over T-mobile using OTA-15 vi …], Did they update it recently? Thats so odd. What version of android were you running before install? Did you flash back to 9? There was at least two others in here and then me that had no mobile data with installer.
 @TotalSonic [Crap - receiver's voice echoes back at them via calls on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7], does the porter know of this bug?
 @drym4rch0n [Did they update it recently? Thats so odd. What version of android were you runn …], I used Lineage 16.0-20200226
 @Fuseteam [does the porter know of this bug?], I don't know who the porter is
 @TotalSonic [I used Lineage 16.0-20200226], That's what I used as well. I wonder what the difference is. So full data with installer?
 @TotalSonic [I don't know who the porter is], uhhh hmmmmm
 this might be useful: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/lavender
 @TotalSonic [I used Lineage 16.0-20200226], Oddly enough I didn't have any echo issue when I was running it. I may flash it again tonight with the installer and see how it goes.
 @drym4rch0n [That's what I used as well. I wonder what the difference is. So full data with i …], I first installed the GSI version using TWRP, Lineage 16 then Halium 9 and the GSI.  Which had echoing voice on receiver's end. Then I flashed Lineage 16 but it wouldn't recognize my SIM card. So then I flashed UT OTA-15 via the installer.
[00:48] <ubptgbot>   Mobile data working great
 @drym4rch0n [That's what I used as well. I wonder what the difference is. So full data with i …], [Edit] I first installed the GSI version using TWRP, Lineage 16 then Halium 9 and the GSI.  Which had echoing voice on receiver's end. Then I flashed Lineage 16 but it wouldn't recognize my SIM card. So then I flashed UT OTA-15 via the ins
[00:49] <ubptgbot> taller.  Voice still echoing on receiver's end - but mobile data working great
 @TotalSonic [I first installed the GSI version using TWRP, Lineage 16 then Halium 9 and the G …], Right on. I have Lineage 17.1 on it right now, I may need to flash back to stock rom and start from scratch and see how it goes.
 @drym4rch0n [Oddly enough I didn't have any echo issue when I was running it. I may flash it …], .The echo was on the receiver's end - she was hearing her own voice echo, mine was clear
 @TotalSonic [I first installed the GSI version using TWRP, Lineage 16 then Halium 9 and the G …], if i'm reading the above page correctly the porter is danctnix
 Gotchya
 @Fuseteam [if i'm reading the above page correctly the porter is danctnix], Is he on Telegram?
 @TotalSonic [I first installed the GSI version using TWRP, Lineage 16 then Halium 9 and the G …], [Edit] if i'm reading the above page correctly the porter is @RealDanct12
 yeah he is
 @Fuseteam [yeah he is], ok, thanks - will try and get in touch with him.
 he seems to prefer discord 🤔
 So, what other maodern phones are supported by UBports now?  I did a Nexus 5, I wasn't to impressed.
 @Denny_Crane69 [So, what other maodern phones are supported by UBports now?  I did a Nexus 5, I …], the list of supported devices is at https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Denny_Crane69 [So, what other maodern phones are supported by UBports now?  I did a Nexus 5, I …], Not many but there are porters working on some cool stuff right now. Caleb is porting a OnePlus 6T, which is a great phone. I decided since I can't port or code I'm going to start donating phones to help these guys out. I'm shipping Cale
[00:54] <ubptgbot> b a OnePlus 7 Pro as soon as it comes in and I can flash the international rom and unlock the bootloader.
 @Denny_Crane69 [So, what other maodern phones are supported by UBports now?  I did a Nexus 5, I …], there are 55 devices supported and counting
 or do not consider devices of 2019 "modern"
 @drym4rch0n [Not many but there are porters working on some cool stuff right now. Caleb is po …], Me either, I'll look into doing that if I can get some good prices on some.  Thank you!!
 [Edit] or do you not consider devices of 2019 "modern"
 @Fuseteam [or do you not consider devices of 2019 "modern"], Oh I'm not that new school. 😂
 @Denny_Crane69 [Oh I'm not that new school. 😂], 😂 well steven and rickey have a redmi note 7, which is from 2019 iirc
 it has it's issues as you can see from the convo above
 @Fuseteam [there are 55 devices supported and counting], Honestly I have been using OnePlus phones for awhile now. I have experience with the 6T, the 7 Pro (my daily), and I have a few 8T's now thanks to Tmobiles promotion. They are great phones and if they can be successfully ported to UT they would be amazing daily drivers. Although
[00:57] <ubptgbot> the 8T is android 11 so that ones not an option in the near future.
 I also have a Volla Phone which is from 2020 (although based on the Gigaset GS290 from 2019).
 @Denny_Crane69 [Me either, I'll look into doing that if I can get some good prices on some.  Tha …], That would be awesome. If more people would donate phones it could really help out. Seems unfair to have them do the labor AND buy the phone, lol. I'm ordering a phone a month from here on out and just making them available to any exper
[00:58] <ubptgbot> ienced porter that wants them as long as they agree to document the way UBports wants and to take it all the way to installer status.
 @drym4rch0n [Honestly I have been using OnePlus phones for awhile now. I have experience with …], yeah true, and porting takes time too, but it'll work nicely once finished
 @TotalSonic [I also have a Volla Phone which is from 2020 (although based on the Gigaset GS29 …], there's also the fx tec prox but that was an campaign i suppose
 Well, now I have a dilemma - I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 which can get 4G/LTE but gives an echo on the receiver's end - and I have a Volla Phone which is only getting 2G but is clear on the phone calls.  Or a OnePlus One that can get 4G and clear class, but whose camera is very poor (with no zoom, flash, or autofocus), and whose gps a
[01:00] <ubptgbot> nd battery life are not good either.
 [Edit] Well, now I have a dilemma - I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 which can get 4G/LTE but gives an echo on the receiver's end - and I have a Volla Phone which is only getting 2G but is clear on the phone calls.  Or a OnePlus One that can get 4G and clear calls, but whose camera is very poor (with no zoom, flash, or autofocus), and whos
[01:01] <ubptgbot> e gps and battery life are not good either.
 @TotalSonic [Well, now I have a dilemma - I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 which can get 4G/LTE b …], I tried to find a OnePlus One everywhere. No luck. Is the battery and gps related to that specific phone or all ones with UT?
 @TotalSonic [Well, now I have a dilemma - I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 which can get 4G/LTE b …], why not both
 😂
 @Fuseteam [there's also the fx tec prox but that was an campaign i suppose], I want that model so bad. I will be ordering one eventually. I want the 8gb/256gb version.
 @Fuseteam [why not both], Swapping SIM's or having to have two lines and two phones with one is not the route I was thinking of ;)
 @drym4rch0n [I want that model so bad. I will be ordering one eventually. I want the 8gb/256g …], i would've banked on it if i could afford haha
 @TotalSonic [Swapping SIM's or having to have two lines and two phones with one is not the ro …], ah one sim card two phones hmmm
 @Fuseteam [why not both], [Edit] Swapping SIM's or having to have two lines and two phones with oneself all the time is not the route I was thinking of ;)
 i suppose the OPO is the best choice in terms of call and data but then there's the battery thingie
 @Fuseteam [i would've banked on it if i could afford haha], Did you see where they released 30 of them for preorder at $499? I freaking missed it or else I would have jumped on that.
 [Edit] i suppose the OPO is the best choice in terms of calls and data but then there's the battery thingie
 @TotalSonic [I'm wanting to go by an AT&T store and see if they'll let me try a SIM with my V …], Sounds like that's probably the least painful operation to get a solid daily driver according to your requirements, my friend.
 @drym4rch0n [Did you see where they released 30 of them for preorder at $499? I freaking miss …], if it makes you feel any better, it was sold out in hours
 @Fuseteam [if it makes you feel any better, it was sold out in hours], I have no doubts about that.
 the indiegogo campaign reached its goal in the matter of a few days
 @Fuseteam [i suppose the OPO is the best choice in terms of calls and data but then there's …], yeah, but photo taking is important to me - I had actually bought a Canon click and shoot camera to use when I was using the OnePlus One because its camera with UT are just not up to snuff to me, but it's just way more convenient to have a s
[01:07] <ubptgbot> ingle device that can do it all.
 @TotalSonic [Swapping SIM's or having to have two lines and two phones with oneself all the t …], Hell, I might need to keep my Pro 5 in my other pocket as a bricked wallet- I've seen the Volla case only has one bank card slot!
 like by the time i saw the interview with the team behind on youtube (notification squad) it was sold out xD
 Is there any model running UT that has good camera quality? Even lineageos has crap camera quality unless you use microg and gcam.
 @Fuseteam [like by the time i saw the interview with the team behind on youtube (notificati …], lol
 uh what was it again https://t.me/UT_photography
 Anyone ever dealt with this guy before?? … https://brax.me/prod/host.php?f=_store&h=rob&p=&version=
 [Edit] uh what was it again https://t.me/UT_photography?
 @Denny_Crane69 [Anyone ever dealt with this guy before?? … https://brax.me/prod/host.php?f=_store …], i believe he was in one these groups sometime ago
 @Fuseteam [i believe he was in one these groups sometime ago], He seems legit in his YT videos.
 @drym4rch0n [Is there any model running UT that has good camera quality? Even lineageos has c …], UT has none of the AI automatic photo correction that the Google/Samsung/Apple/etc. stuff enables, that allows for some of the more impressive photos to be taken from the same mid-quality sensors.  Also - I don't think UT supports the dual
[01:10] <ubptgbot>  lens portrait mode stuff yet either.  InstantPho available in the Open Store makes for a decent way to do basic image retouching on UT devices prior to posting to social media, etc. - but we could really use some developers love on camera support and the core Camera app
 Has anyone used the Volla phone in Canada yet?
 @TotalSonic [UT has none of the AI automatic photo correction that the Google/Samsung/Apple/e …], Makes sense. Seems all of the custom roms suffer this issue unless using gcam or similar.
 @TotalSonic [UT has none of the AI automatic photo correction that the Google/Samsung/Apple/e …], the thing is its more software so match that type of software is somewhat difficult
 gcam?
 google camera
 @drym4rch0n [Makes sense. Seems all of the custom roms suffer this issue unless using gcam or …], with UT devices I just want photos, zoom, focus, flash and video recording to work - which unfortunately is still not something that you get from every device.
 I have it working on my OnePlus 7 Pro with LineageOS 17.1 using microg, but it's a smidge buggy. Sometimes the screen just shows black but it will still take the picture and save it.
 hmm yeah google services :/
 Yeah not a fan. Thats why I don't have gapps.
 I do need a good camera though as I'm a skeleton builder and artist and it's hard to post a pic with noise all over it and expect people to enjoy it.
 ok, for Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 OTA-15 - photo with zoom and flash working great, video recording not working with it freezing on first frame
 @TotalSonic [ok, for Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 OTA-15 - photo with zoom and flash working great, vi …], On mine the photos had a fair bit of noise.
 @drym4rch0n [On mine the photos had a fair bit of noise.], I'm not doing any critical evaluation, but the ones I took seem really good
 Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 OTA-15 - finger print reader working great
 Hmmm..... I wonder how devel channel is on this thing.  Regressions, fixes or same??
 Going to try it now
 @TotalSonic [I'm not doing any critical evaluation, but the ones I took seem really good], yea I swear the finger print reader was faster on UT than it was on stock android. Might be in my head, but it was lightening fast.
 @drym4rch0n [yea I swear the finger print reader was faster on UT than it was on stock androi …], It's really fast on my Volla Phone too. On my Meizu Pro 5 it was clucky though (but at least we have that unit to thank for the code for finger print support being put in their by Canonical)
 @drym4rch0n [yea I swear the finger print reader was faster on UT than it was on stock androi …], [Edit] It's really fast on my Volla Phone too. On my Meizu Pro 5 it was clunky though (but at least we have that unit to thank for the code for finger print support being put in their by Canonical)
 @drym4rch0n [yea I swear the finger print reader was faster on UT than it was on stock androi …], [Edit] It's really fast on my Volla Phone too. On my Meizu Pro 5 it was clunky though (but at least we have that unit to thank for the code for finger print support being put in there by Canonical)
 its not that i'm not a fan of google services, but when an black box like that has has 200MB "user data"......yeah. tis part of why i like UT more tis a bit more open on that end
 @Fuseteam [its not that i'm not a fan of google services, but when an black box like that h …], For sure, I've spent the last year of my life moving away from big tech. It's the reason I'm here. Unfortunately they have monopolized in several areas and due to my businesses I can't fully escape just yet.
 i never used to use any google stuff really, got my first android phone last year and now i need to get myself away from it 😭
 @PiecerEdd [i never used to use any google stuff really, got my first android phone last yea …], I've been using Google so long that I had a gmail when it was invite only in beta mode. Basically watched them become the evil monster they are now. Been using Linux since 1999 though. Started with Mandrake. Always hated Microsoft. Googles
[01:56] <ubptgbot> evil kind of snuck up on me to be honest. It has a taken a long time just to get everything away from them.
 when i got this phone i was just like 'meh itll be fine ill just remove all the google stuff and run an f-droid only setup'
 of course they make that ridiculously difficult
 @PiecerEdd [when i got this phone i was just like 'meh itll be fine ill just remove all the …], Yea they aren't fans of that, lol
 @drym4rch0n [For sure, I've spent the last year of my life moving away from big tech. It's th …], yeah, true there's also the whole apps situation where most devs are on android/ios so far
 @drym4rch0n [I've been using Google so long that I had a gmail when it was invite only in bet …], this is so true, that moment when they removed the "don't be evil" clause i underestimated what that meant
 @Fuseteam [yeah, true there's also the whole apps situation where most devs are on android/ …], I think that will work it's self out like Tesla and chargers did. No other company wanted to fund the infrastructure to charging electric cars all over the world, and without it electric cars would not be a viable option. Tesla said screw it
[02:12] <ubptgbot> , we will do it. Now look, basically every major brand has electric models now and they all work with Tesla chargers via adapters. Once mobile linux is fully viable I'm sure apps will follow.  I never thought we would have Steam for Linux back in the day, but now we do.
 tbch if the android services were opensource it probably would work a lot better
 @drym4rch0n [I think that will work it's self out like Tesla and chargers did. No other compa …], i suppose that's true yeah
 focusing on the devices front will deffo help with that
 And really, as I'm sure you know well, we can do most things from the browser anyways. I have 4 instagram accounts and don't have instagram installed on my phone. Same for banking, I just login.
 hmm yeah i know that, but spending a lot of time in the welcome room showed me there a few things where the browser doesn't suffice yet sadly,then again a big part of that is because the browser needs a bit more work i suppose
 on android devices there's the part of the webengine's abilty to interface with the camera and in general there's webpush i suppose
 but we'll get there either way
 But if you use fintech/challenger banks (I do to an extent) the browser doesn't cut it. Revolut did bring out a webapp but it doesn't (yet?) cater for the full suite of products they offer- such as stocks, crypto and precious metals. Also if I'm not mistaken you need the app on an Android device just to greenlight the webapp each ti
[02:19] <ubptgbot> me- kind of defeating the purpose.
 there's that too, but if they have open APIs it should be possible to build third party apps
 I havent hit those walls yet I guess. I can do most things I personally need to do without apps. Even Pandora. But I am speaking from the point of view of being on a LineageOS phone with no gapps. Not UT.
 Also, it can be convenient to have streaming apps on your tablet- another reason why I tolerate a bit of Google in my life. It's not always possible to just watch these apps on a big screen instead.
 ive coped without the googz for a long time I can continue to do so (if I can just get 'em off this phone!) 😆
 @TartanSpartan [Also, it can be convenient to have streaming apps on your tablet- another reason …], Which streaming apps don't work or don't have alternatives without Google?
 I'd have to check, but IIRC I tried NOW TV (a UK service) in Anbox and no go.
 @TartanSpartan [I'd have to check, but IIRC I tried NOW TV (a UK service) in Anbox and no go.], search for a  playlist in .m3u format and open in vlc is my work around for streaming UK tv.
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 @drym4rch0n [I havent hit those walls yet I guess. I can do most things I personally need to …], ah i'm talking from the point of UT mostly
 NOW TV is the streaming side of Sky, which caters for movies, sports and entertainment box sets. I don't think a playlist workaround exists for it.
 ubuntu touch for Redmi 7A
 ?
 @Jefferson [ubuntu touch for Redmi 7A], Instructions for the GSI version is here https://youtu.be/kV3SAWdxhwU
 Thanks
 The testing continues - Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 receiver hearing echoing in phone calls persists in devel channel as well.  Seems a phone that is not ready to be used as daily drier yet.
 @TotalSonic [The testing continues - Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 receiver hearing echoing in phone ca …], no regressions?
 sounds like you "just" need the echo thingie to be solved
 @Fuseteam [no regressions?], still receiving 4G mobile data, although it took a minute to find it.  Video recording not working either.  This is a really nice device that can be had for very reasonable cash though - but the software it comes with (Mi UI) is total garbage - so it would be really nice to have UT eventually work as intend
[04:03] <ubptgbot> ed on it.
 yeah it does sound like a decent devicr
 [Edit] yeah it does sound like a decent device
 @Fuseteam [yeah it does sound like a decent device], I was able to get it in really great shape for $129 used including shipping.  Flashing it was a little bit of a pain (took me a little to get it unlocked) but there were no real barriers to making it happen
 For my other actually "new" device - seems it is possible that AT&T's 4g/LTE might be compatible with Volla's 850MHz receiver, going tomorrow or Monday to a store to see if it is still possible to get a SIM for a device not on their "white list" - going to ask to test before switching over my plan though.
 oh interesting development
 At least I can make clear phone calls on T-mobile with my Volla Phone at this point.  This is really a nice device - everything seems to be working as it should - apart from me currently getting mobile data that is.
 Hey - this is a pretty cool feature - when you tap the finger print scanner on the Volla Phone while in Morph browser (and some webapps as well)  it makes it go from regular to full screen (and back).  Sweet!
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 [Edit] The testing continues - Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 receiver hearing echoing in phone calls persists in devel channel as well.  Seems a phone that is not ready to be used as daily driver yet.
 @PiecerEdd [i never used to use any google stuff really, got my first android phone last yea …], If UT isn't supported look into /e/ or Lineage so you can at least get some privacy
 I still cannot find much information on f(x)tec pro x where UT is concerned. I'm trying to find out whsts working and what isn't and if it has OTA updates. I know it was ported by UBports, but died anyone know where to find this issue. They don't seem to list it anywhere. Does that mean everything works?
 Wasn't*
 Does*
 @drym4rch0n [I still cannot find much information on f(x)tec pro x where UT is concerned. I'm …], Did you see this video yet?  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgxrJj37xOs
 @TotalSonic [Did you see this video yet?  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgxrJj37xOs], I tried but I find my brains drifting off every few minutes while trying to listen to him. I was hoping to find s written list. Its odd to me of rodent exist. I hope that means it all works which would make sense since the phone developers ported it t
[08:29] <ubptgbot> hemselves and didn't have to figure out everything the hard way.
 @drym4rch0n [I still cannot find much information on f(x)tec pro x where UT is concerned. I'm …], No we did not port it, it was done by fxtec themselves. But we added it to our system image server, so yes it will receive OTA updates :)
 Sorry for the typos and auto correct issues. I'm half awake laying in bed.
 @Flohack [No we did not port it, it was done by fxtec themselves. But we added it to our s …], Good to know. Do you happen to know if everything works and it can be a daily driver? I want to order it but I don't feel like spending that much just to end up on lineage anyways.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/XaxwgpKn.png
 Hello.Tell me, for nexus5 this is a release candidate for a valid update at the moment
 @drym4rch0n [Good to know. Do you happen to know if everything works and it can be a daily dr …], No, sorry. I dont know anyone who owns it :)
 @Gog_and_Magog [Hello.Tell me, for nexus5 this is a release candidate for a valid update at the …], Sorry I dont understand your question?
 @Flohack [Sorry I dont understand your question?], Это последнее обновление на сегодня?
 @Flohack [Sorry I dont understand your question?], Is this the last update for today?
 Humm let me see
 yes looks like. We stopped doing RCs for a long time now, since we were integrating Qt 5.12 upgrade, and that would have broken your device potentially. RCs will start to roll out again if its safe to do so. … Remember RC mean Release Candidate: So sometimes when there is no scheduled release we also dont release "Release Candiates" :)
 @Lorxu [If UT isn't supported look into /e/ or Lineage so you can at least get some priv …], yeah there are none of those other android roms available that ive seen... just their stock android, UT, sailfish and debian - UT is probably the best non-android OS for this device but not feature complete yet, so i keep the dual boot going and
[10:07] <ubptgbot>  drift between them hehe
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 @Flohack , spam
 @UniversalSuperBox, who do I need to contact in regards to ubports.chat? I totally understand that ubports does not want to be responsible for such a service and therefore decides to shut it down. But please send a warning to the users first and allow them to move their account. This way the users just loose all their contacts and access to
[14:01] <ubptgbot>  all their groups.
 tis in the hands of whoever is or was maintaining the server
 hmmm i guess its not so easy for me to just add letsencrypt to my nexcloud, do we really need letencrypt for it to work with ut?
 But whoever that is must have asked whether he can use the name ubports for the domain. So somebody got to know how that is. And as it uses ubports' name, the ubports foundation should be interested in having that thing shut down in a decent way.
 wasn't it announced long ago that it was going to be shutdown?
 I was not aware of that fact. Matrix server admins can broadcast announcements to their users. That did not happen either.
 weird that that didn't happen tho
 I belive they had a discussion about it and if I remember correctly they did put out an announcement
 @Fuseteam [hmmm i guess its not so easy for me to just add letsencrypt to my nexcloud, do w …], not really, you can use `http` 😛
 @Javacookies [I belive they had a discussion about it and if I remember correctly they did put …], Last announcement from the server admin was in 2019. So no, it was not announced.
 I see
 So if you don't want to really annoy part of your community (including contributors) that relied on ubports name, please make sure to get that server up again for some weeks and get the announcement out to the users before shutting it down again.
 Was wanting to add a bit more functionality to the phone thru some apps and in this case i added one that would give me more information on battery stats, but my note 4 didn't wanted to boot after that... After a lot of attempts, removed battery, put it back, removed SD card and it booted - just a head's up if someone face same problem 😉
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 @Fuseteam [hmmm i guess its not so easy for me to just add letsencrypt to my nexcloud, do w …], hmmm why is it not so easy? I just certbot it
[14:34] <Beton> jonny: I was using ubporst.chat as my main Matrix homeserver too. I hope they will bring it back for at least one week to give people some time to move their accounts. Its not fair to shut down such service without any notification.
 @Javacookies [not really, you can use http 😛], with ip?
 @PiecerEdd [hmmm why is it not so easy? I just certbot it], my machine is not publically accessible, i don't have admin access to my router and i don't have a static ip
 ahhhh right
 fair
 @jonny [So if you don't want to really annoy part of your community (including contribut …], i don't disagree with you, tis just we have no idea what happened
 beton: i don't think it was intentional, at least there's no indication whether it was intentional or not
 @Fuseteam [my machine is not publically accessible, i don't have admin access to my router …], yes with ip, I actually had the same situation … for a time I tried using `http` which isn't exactly secure but it worked
 @Fuseteam [i don't disagree with you, tis just we have no idea what happened], I don't believe that nobody at the foundation has a clue who ran that server.
 then I searched thoroughly how to log on as admin to my router and I found a solution so I was able to properly setup ddns and stuffs 😄
 @jonny [I don't believe that nobody at the foundation has a clue who ran that server.], I just checked the group chat ( i don't really know why I'm in that group LOL) … and they indeed talked about sending a notice … I can't confirm if it was really sent though … but Dalton did sent a notice in the chat. Not sure if that was also sent
[14:48] <ubptgbot>  as an actual notice to the user
 in any case, whatever happened is most likely a misunderstanding. They did talked about it considered the users. It's not like they don't care 😅
[15:00] <ubptgbot> <Valery Snyder> Тhіs іs just а supеr gіvеаwау frоm 🚀 - https://bit.ly/39DNX6N
 @Javacookies [in any case, whatever happened is most likely a misunderstanding. They did talke …], I believe that. But nonetheless this mess happened.
 And it needs to be taken care of.
 That is why I asked for the person to contact.
 @jonny [I don't believe that nobody at the foundation has a clue who ran that server.], I know exactly who ran it but fun fact, I got his contact only on Matrix but I cant access Matrix anymore guess why? Because the server was shut down :P
 I must say it was a bad choice to let someone use our domain name for that, as we can see now, smooth transition is not guaranteed meh. So that will be a no-go in the future
 Lesson learned
 @Flohack [I know exactly who ran it but fun fact, I got his contact only on Matrix but I c …], Sure, but I guess there is a way to find out another way to contact that person, isn't it?
 I can help if needed.
 @jonny [I can help if needed.], Plz ask Krille he should have his Matrix addy
[15:17] <ubptgbot> Hysterectomize_2036 was added by: Hysterectomize_2036
 @Javacookies [yes with ip, I actually had the same situation … for a time I tried using http whi …], i mean unless you can afford linode or something, there's not much choice
[15:41] <Beton> jonny: FluffyChat's readme on GitHub says that ubports.chat was hosted by "Regionetz - ISP company from southern Germany". You can see it at the bottom of this page: https://github.com/ChristianPauly/fluffychat
 @jonny [I don't believe that nobody at the foundation has a clue who ran that server.], didn't dalton say he haven't reached the admins yet?
 i think dalton has his contact
[15:43] <Beton> So I think someone can ask owner of Regionetz.net about what happened with ubports.chat server.
 @Javacookies [then I searched thoroughly how to log on as admin to my router and I found a sol …], [Edit] i think they changed the username/password or i would've made my way in already /hackerman
 @Javacookies [yes with ip, I actually had the same situation … for a time I tried using http whi …], hmmm i maybe tis the trusted domain stuff
 ah cool that was it, added it to hosts and tried over http and it worked wheeee
 i probably need to set up an local dns somehow hmmm
 also fwiw if its on your own home network http isn't that unsafe
 yeah, just use your local IP 😄
 i wanna go back to self hosting, just don't have a good setup … when I tried it back then, I had to plug the external storage the Rpi which kind of a hassle especially that I don't have a good place to put it permanently
 @jonny [So if you don't want to really annoy part of your community (including contribut …], Look, I though the server was going to stay up until February 28. The server admins are busy right now and I'm unable to contact the hosting provider since they only speak German. I'm trying my hardest here, but everything is against me.
 @jonny [So if you don't want to really annoy part of your community (including contribut …], [Edit] Look, I thought the server was going to stay up until February 28. The server admins are busy right now and I'm unable to contact the hosting provider since they only speak German. I'm trying my hardest here, but everything is aga
[16:02] <ubptgbot> inst me.
 why are people being so ... engaging over a down server? they go down from time to time, it happens, most notable example, a website being unavailable for a little while, yeah its annoying, but no reason to be so engaging.  Dalton, I know you'll get it resolved eventually.
 It makes sense, this can be a lifeline to people's family and friends. It's a chat server.
 But if anything, it's shown me why we should never host consumer services.
 So I'll keep that in mind for the future.
 I thought we could keep it around to serve the richer bridges to Matrix. That was incorrect and foolish of me.
 @Shakendo [why are people being so ... engaging over a down server? they go down from time …], I think it is also because it seems to be not just a normal downtime … they're worried that it is down forever since that has been planned for a long time
 well the lesson I learned from hosting my own server, is you need to be transparent, and you need to have a redundant server in case one goes down
 @Javacookies [I think it is also because it seems to be not just a normal downtime … they're wor …], thats why I dont get why people are getting so engaged about it
 I don't think Matrix is quite that simple, and our volunteer admins weren't in it for that kind of experience.
 @Fuseteam [i though the ubports.chat server was no longer maintained], whops, i guess i need to move to a new matrix
 understandable, but thats standard business practice at this point for IT related aspects
 i think i was the other member on there ;p
 @Javacookies [i wanna go back to self hosting, just don't have a good setup … when I tried it ba …], i just installed nextcloud on my laptop and desktop :p … i'm now looking into if i can sync my calendar between the two using ut as an intermediatary xD
 well if your PC and laptop is open all the time then that can work 😄
 it up when i work on it :p it only works when i'm home anyway
 tho now i wonder how calendar synchronisation works
 like can i create an event on my ut device and it'll show up on my server 🤔
 ah i need to save it in the appropiate "account" hmmm
 if syncing works properly, that should what happens
 [Edit] if syncing works properly, that's should what happens
 [Edit] if syncing works properly, that's what should happen
 @jonny [@UniversalSuperBox, who do I need to contact in regards to ubports.chat? I total …], I don't have any hands on the matrix sever, and I'm not interested in hosting a huge matrix server, though I am to fault for the main groups that had previously been bridged by the ubports.chat matrix server, not being bridged.
 So anyone whose upset by that, please raise your pitchforks at me, and not the ubports.chat guys or the other members of the ubports team such as Dalton, they have enough on their plate!
[17:04] <Beton> Shakendo: I am engaged with this because it was my main Matrix homeserver and Matrix is my only chat platform to contact with my family and friends. If downtime was planned, there should be server notice at least few day before planned shutdown. Matrix have default Server Notices channel, and I didn't received any information about planned shutdown. Now I can't contact with my friends and family and don't
[17:04] <Beton> have access to my chat history.
[17:22] <Beton> Not to be misunderstood, I am not mad at UBPorts team. I appreciate that they want to help with this situation, and it gives me hope that the ubports.chat server will be back for at least few days to give people like me time to move their accounts and chat history to another homeserver.
 @Beton [Not to be misunderstood, I am not mad at UBPorts team. I appreciate that they wa …], I dont want to destroy your hopes but you must assume its wiped by now. Nowadays servers are not what you just stow away in your attic ^^
[17:27] <ubptgbot> KGN was added by: KGN
 @UniversalSuperBox [Look, I thought the server was going to stay up until February 28. The server ad …], I understand. Could you give me some contact in pm since I speak German and I am in the same time zone?
 I just received the matrix user name.
 ubports.chat is up again for a short period. So please move your accounts everyone!
[18:23] <Beton> jonny: How long until permanent shutdown?
 assume it will be within 24 hours and start now, waiting till the last minute will only result in sadness
 The server will shutdown end of february.
 That is what the hoster told me.
[18:34] <ubptgbot> John Francis was added by: John Francis
[18:38] <ubptgbot> <John Francis> Well, all went smooth enough getting UT installed on this nexus 5, I believe my only problem came from me not doing enough initial research. It doesn't seem to work with verizon. I believe the phone lacks the hardware to communicate on the bands required for that. I'm considering trying it on a samsung galaxy s4.
 @John Francis [Well, all went smooth enough getting UT installed on this nexus 5, I believe my …], I dont think the S4 is currently ported
 @jonny [That is what the hoster told me.], yeah, but as today has demonstrated, everyone should stop waiting for the shutdown and just start the process now
[18:50] <ubptgbot> Yessenia William was added by: Yessenia William
 👍🏼
[18:51] <ubptgbot> <John Francis> You are correct. S3 and note 4, pardon my confusion. I'm seeing that Verizon in general doesn't play well with Linux oses in general. Maybe ill just put this phone on a separate plan.
 s3 neo was by Florian, Note 4 was by me, the 910T has a weird issue though cause it doesnt boot to GUI at all
[18:54] <ubptgbot> <John Francis> Yeah, the note 4 varieties in general I noticed the "v" suffix isn't supported. Maybe you have insight into the problem?
 Can't connect my Note 4 to the computer. Is it some problem on mine or is general? It just charges, but won't appear on explorer...
 Also GPS is not working, but i had that problem before, so i think it is hardware related
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 quick question
 does it support nfs
 @Yo5eff [Also GPS is not working, but i had that problem before, so i think it is hardwar …], did you give GPS enough time? GPS is rather slow on UT, it can take up to an hour
 @#mimov2 [does it support nfs], uh does what support nfs?
 ubuntu touch
 @Fuseteam [did you give GPS enough time? GPS is rather slow on UT, it can take up to an hou …], Not going to lie... Didn't wait an hour 😁 … But i had that issue before with android - and this Note4 was "made" from 2 broken Notes , so i suspect some internal issue related to hardware
 @Fuseteam [uh does what support nfs?], nfs? What you mean?
 @#mimov2 [does it support nfs], I guess you can mount a share manually. Or do you mean NFC?
 @dohbee [I guess you can mount a share manually. Or do you mean NFC?], ok tnx
 @Yo5eff [Not going to lie... Didn't wait an hour 😁 … But i had that issue before with andr …], hahahaha i see
 @Fuseteam [uh does what support nfs?], Maybe he means NTFS ?
 @Yo5eff [Maybe he means NTFS ?], Nah NFS is Network FileSystem
 @Fuseteam [hahahaha i see], A good friend gave me an Note 4 with a burnt motherboard. I bought a second note 4 with broken screen and from the 2 , made 1... But maybe GPS hardware have some connection issue
 @Fuseteam [Nah NFS is Network FileSystem], Ah, ok. Learning something new everyday 😁
 @Fuseteam [hahahaha i see], [Edit] A good friend gave me an Note 4 with a burnt motherboard. I bought a second note 4 with broken screen and from the 2 , made 1... But maybe GPS hardware have some connection issue. … Used that phone for long time. The advantage is that no software could track me by gps 😂
 @Yo5eff [A good friend gave me an Note 4 with a burnt motherboard. I bought a second note …], haha to be fair in ut the indicator changes if gps is being used xD
[20:05] <ubptgbot> BiGbOgGs was added by: BiGbOgGs
 (Photo, 720x891) https://irc.ubports.com/Q8b8bcys.png Installed sensorstatus... Gps seems pretty dead
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/djr09qrT.png And , by the way, telegram app for UT hides with keyboard what I'm typing... Anyone else with same problem?
 (Photo, 720x1249) https://irc.ubports.com/z0qwRgq0.png And when try to choose a file to send, it's quite difficult to see what to choose... That's Nano tech there 😄
 But that's just for information purposes. I know that i need to inform the telegram app , as i suspect it isn't an UT problem
[20:13] <ubptgbot> <Yessenia William> Тhіs іs sоmething super І gоt x2 оf mу ЕТН!! - https://bit.ly/36KY1cj
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MoBWbF9p.mp4
[20:27] <ubptgbot> Ted Rendol was added by: Ted Rendol
 Can I send here a poll related to Ubuntu that I opened in another group?
[20:42] <ubptgbot> shpresim619 was added by: shpresim619
 @alera_on [Can I send here a poll related to Ubuntu that I opened in another group?], No, sorry, we aren't terribly interested in polls :)
 @Yo5eff [<reply to media>], go teleports
 @UniversalSuperBox [No, sorry, we aren't terribly interested in polls :)], I understand.
 @dohbee [I guess you can mount a share manually. Or do you mean NFC?], how
 @#mimov2 [how], `mount -t nfs ...`?
 https://youtu.be/OknPA1eJMeg
 @#mimov2 [https://youtu.be/OknPA1eJMeg], did it help on ut?
 probably will
 try it, me curious
 i mean if the kernel is built with nfs support, you should be able to mount a share. but some devices might have it disabled, since nfs is not generally something android phones are expected to support
 lol
 cant install nfs-common
 not avabile
 The Volla Phone in the USA saga continues:  went to my local AT&T store where one of the sale guys graciously let me pop in a SIM and try out the service.  I got fast 4G/LTE immediately, but was unable to place a phone call (no dial tone at all).  Where as on my current T-mobile plan I can place calls on the go, but am not getting anyt
[21:27] <ubptgbot> hing above 2G as far as mobile data.  I am wondering if there are any APN or other settings I need.  The AT&T guy wanted to try putting in exact APN info in, but UT's entry settings for this are not the same as what you have available in Android.
 The plot thickens!
 What is ironic is T-mobile is supposedly doing the transition to VoLTE only already, where as AT&T states they are not getting rid of 2G/3G  until early 2022.   But I believe AT&T is "white listing" devices - wonder if that has happened already and if it is just towards restricting calls rather than mobile data.
 You likely weren't getting HSPA on AT&T -
 And that's the only way it could place calls
 @UniversalSuperBox [You likely weren't getting HSPA on AT&T -], Makes sense.
 I can't attach to any network here
 @UniversalSuperBox [I can't attach to any network here], you have a Volla?
 i think i did something wrong
 @TotalSonic [you have a Volla?], Yeah
 Nikita was very interested in the error messages, because Android didn't even know what they meant.
 dpkg error read only file system
 It's really a super nice piece of hardware.
 But Mediatek makes a variant of that SoC for the US market, and the Volla Phone does not use it.
 i think the volla (gs290) doesn't support the necessary frequencies for t-mo; only for att
 @#mimov2 [dpkg error read only file system], !
 @#mimov2 [dpkg error read only file system], yes, apt is not supported on UT
 @dohbee [yes, apt is not supported on UT], what now
 @dohbee [i think the volla (gs290) doesn't support the necessary frequencies for t-mo; on …], Yeah, I thought that T-mobile could have worked for 4G with the Volla Phone via 850 & 2100MHz, but those apparently are not in use in my area.  AT&T uses a bunch of 850MHz.
 @#mimov2 [what now], ubuntu touch is not a traditional linux distro. we use a readonly rootfs and image based updates
 How I wish my Indiegogo delivery was further ahead, so I could report on how different Canadian carriers play with the Volla.
 Try Libertine for apt installation.
 @dohbee [i think the volla (gs290) doesn't support the necessary frequencies for t-mo; on …], I am getting clear phone calls with T-mobile on the Volla Phone - but how long that lasts until they shut down their 2G/3G is in question.
 @UniversalSuperBox [But Mediatek makes a variant of that SoC for the US market, and the Volla Phone …], UT is actually nicely responsive with the Mediatek chip.  It's not like one of the  latest and greatest 90MHz refresh rate Snapdragons in speed - but works great for me.
 @UniversalSuperBox [But Mediatek makes a variant of that SoC for the US market, and the Volla Phone …], [Edit] UT is actually nicely responsive with the Mediatek chip on the Volla.  It's not like one of the  latest and greatest 90MHz refresh rate Snapdragons in speed - but works great for me.
 why there is no linux like raspbery pi for phones
 ?
 you mean pinephone
 probably
 @#mimov2 [why there is no linux like raspbery pi for phones], There is - but it can only be installed on the  limited devices - such as the couple running mainline kernels (e.g. PinePhone, Librem 5).  For arm devices originally coming with Android there needs to be custom kernels made including the needed binary blobs and patches to ma
[21:56] <ubptgbot> ke the hardware on these devices actually work
 @#mimov2 [why there is no linux like raspbery pi for phones], [Edit] There is - but it can only be installed on  limited devices - such as the couple running mainline kernels (e.g. PinePhone, Librem 5).  For arm devices originally coming with Android there needs to be custom kernels made including the needed binary blobs and patches to
[21:56] <ubptgbot>  make the hardware on these devices actually work
 @#mimov2 [why there is no linux like raspbery pi for phones], there is postmarketOS and mobian and such if you want a more traditional experience, but if you are using an android device to run them, you will likely have many things not working.
 I'm wondering whether Cricket Wireless would offer any different results for me with my Volla.  It's a subsidiary of AT&T, but I wonder if they are running any different bands for 2G/3G.
 [Edit] I'm wondering whether Cricket Wireless would offer any different results for me with my Volla.  It's a subsidiary of AT&T, and apparently using the same 4G/LTE bands, but I wonder if they are running any different bands for 2G/3G.
 @dohbee [there is postmarketOS and mobian and such if you want a more traditional experie …], yea but how to port mobian
 @Fuseteam [go teleports], Tried now. It closes by itself after a few minutes 😁
 @#mimov2 [yea but how to port mobian], dunno. not the topic of this group :)
 yeah i know
 tried web os
 @#mimov2 [tried web os], This forum is for discussion of Ubuntu Touch only.
 https://ubuntu-touch-devices.netlify.app/device/hammerhead/
 Speaking of which, I just ordered what I thought was a Nexus 5 and when I got the shipping notice it was a Nexus 5x, lol. Whoops...
 Well on the bright side, the Nexus 5X has many redeeming properties
 ... wait no it doesn't
 lol
 @UniversalSuperBox [... wait no it doesn't], GIF plz
 I have a feeling that old bug would be fixed now, it's just not a good phone that I want to spend time on any more.
 You would have run into it on the Nexus 6P, the two of them are pretty similar.
 Mine has dead GPS and mobile network hardware now...
 Poof, gone.
 @UniversalSuperBox [You would have run into it on the Nexus 6P, the two of them are pretty similar.], No, 6P was slick with UI after it finally came on ;) its annoying now only because of the deepsleep issues, where notifications dont wake the phone and a press on the power button takes seconds to show a screen. Seems Alfred has similar i
[22:20] <ubptgbot> ssues on Sony, where CPU migration deadlocks in some weird way
 I'm just going to throw lineageos on it and put it right back on ebay. Been trying to find a OnePlus 1 as thats my favorite brand and I just want to play with UT but I cannot find one.
 Oh, the supply of OPOs dried up? That's concerning.
 Huh, indeed it did. Two selling per month on Swappa.
 I found a refurbished one for over $500, lmao. Not even about to spend that much on it though.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Oh, the supply of OPOs dried up? That's concerning.], Luckliy we are rolling out newer devices now.
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 Uh Vollaphone numbers slowly overtaking BQ E5 ^^
 @Flohack [Uh Vollaphone numbers slowly overtaking BQ E5 ^^], thats really good!
 I'm trying to back up my OP3 cos I'm a bit worried about an expanding battery
[23:55] <ubptgbot> trocknet_banan was added by: trocknet_banan