[02:32] maybe they are using some dkms driver? [02:39] oh, hand-built [02:40] probably? [02:45] I'd say it's an Ubuntu issue that the hardware doesn't work by default... :) [02:45] but the specific bugs in a third party driver should be reported to its developer, of course [02:58] good morning [03:06] good night :P [03:09] hey JanC [06:47] good morning [09:22] hi! for historic understanding of the evolution along the years, does "service apache restart2" uses upstart under the hood with 14.04, but the same command uses systemd for 15.04+? [09:32] pafymyc: do you mean "service apache2 restart"? [09:34] "service" is a wrapper script, allowing you to manage the state of services (to a degree) without having to know the init system being used. [09:35] on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, the default init system was upstart, on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS it is systemd (and systemd may have been introduced as a default with 15.04) [09:56] thanks tomreyn ! [09:56] you're welcome [10:50] hehe out of the old box [13:30] is core18 only for snaps or does it do something else? [13:30] mendi: a bit more info here; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCore/Development [13:32] mendi: as oerheks explained, some snaps are part of the system, will influence/break your system if you purge [13:34] mendi: If you're asking about Ubuntu Core, which is really a very different system to Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server (at least so far), then yes, this supports only snaps. And I think there's only commercial support available for Ubuntu Core. [13:35] thank you, i was thinking of going multi-user.target, removing snap then installing gnome, I don't get why they would make gnome into a snap though [13:38] oh i see that's not the actual gnome [13:38] thanks guys [13:38] mendi: df -h to see all your snap /loops [13:41] mendi: you can also install stacer on 20.04 and experiment with snapd services if you like [13:42] leave the essential services/packages alone, and tweak the system the way you like [13:43] yeah I think I will just leave snap as it is and just install programs using apt thank you [13:43] good idea [13:47] Heya ,] [13:48] hey akem [13:48] Whats up lotuspsychje ? [13:48] sunday chillings [13:49] Same here. [13:50] great