[02:32] <JanC> maybe they are using some dkms driver?
[02:39] <JanC> oh, hand-built
[02:40] <JanC> probably?
[02:45] <JanC> I'd say it's an Ubuntu issue that the hardware doesn't work by default...  :)
[02:45] <JanC> but the specific bugs in a third party driver should be reported to its developer, of course
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:06] <JanC> good night  :P
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> hey JanC
[06:47] <ducasse> good morning
[09:22] <pafymyc> hi! for historic understanding of the evolution along the years, does "service apache restart2" uses upstart under the hood with 14.04, but the same command uses systemd for 15.04+?
[09:32] <tomreyn> pafymyc: do you mean "service apache2 restart"?
[09:34] <tomreyn> "service" is a wrapper script, allowing you to manage the state of services (to a degree) without having to know the init system being used.
[09:35] <tomreyn> on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, the default init system was upstart, on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS it is systemd (and systemd may have been introduced as a default with 15.04)
[09:56] <pafymyc> thanks tomreyn !
[09:56] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> hehe out of the old box
[13:30] <mendi> is core18 only for snaps or does it do something else?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> mendi: a bit more info here; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCore/Development
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> mendi: as oerheks explained, some snaps are part of the system, will influence/break your system if you purge
[13:34] <tomreyn> mendi: If you're asking about Ubuntu Core, which is really a very different system to Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server (at least so far), then yes, this supports only snaps. And I think there's only commercial support available for Ubuntu Core.
[13:35] <mendi> thank you, i was thinking of going multi-user.target, removing snap then installing gnome, I don't get why they would make gnome into a snap though
[13:38] <mendi> oh i see that's not the actual gnome
[13:38] <mendi> thanks guys
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> mendi: df -h to see all your snap /loops
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> mendi: you can also install stacer on 20.04 and experiment with snapd services if you like
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> leave the essential services/packages alone, and tweak the system the way you like
[13:43] <mendi> yeah I think I will just leave snap as it is and just install programs using apt thank you
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[13:47] <akem> Heya ,]
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> hey akem
[13:48] <akem> Whats up lotuspsychje ?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> sunday chillings
[13:49] <akem> Same here.
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> great