[00:10] do i need a boot partition guys [00:10] grub install fails [00:17] boot-repair fails too because of no efi [00:17] added a /boot but still fails [00:18] could it be that im trying to use the minimal installation [00:23] Is there an apt command to load the original config files for a service? [00:26] should i install the bootloader to efi partition [00:26] mendi: Yup - no can do UEFI: mini system in UEFI mode >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD . [00:27] is 500MB enough for the efi partition [00:28] mendi: Plenty big - recommends I have seen say Size: 100~250MB . [00:29] thank you [00:29] the installer does not warn users that an efi partition is required [00:29] last 20.10 [00:30] maybe it assumes people still use mbr [00:49] Hi all. I have recently installed focal on two SSDs on my machine. The EFI menu entries appear to be being fought over by the two installs. I have dpkg-reconfigure'd grub-efi on both to not update the menu, however every time I add an entry to boot into the primary install, I end up in the secondary install and the UUID for the entry I'd created previously has changed to the secondary. This happens very reliably. If anyone [00:49] has any suggestions on things I can try please I would be much obliged <3 [00:58] gazby: I too multi-boot ubuntus - my means to control grub is by disabling /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober in my secondary systems. [00:58] Awesome! Thank you mate I'll give it a try :) [01:00] gazby: ' sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ' in those secondaries. then of course [01:00] ' sudo update-grub ' in the primary to effect the changes. [01:08] Hey guys, quick question. I want to automatically back up a particular folder on my computer. I need 7 days worth of backups, how would you guys recommend I achieve this? [01:09] The source and destination are both on the same drive. [01:10] DreamPCs: I use https://github.com/laurent22/rsync-time-backup for that purpose. Adding it as a cron should work for the automation aspect. [01:11] The `--strategy` switch controls the ageing out of older versions. [01:11] Awesome! [01:11] Thanks! I'll look into it now. [01:12] 👍 === vlm_ is now known as vlm === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:30] It seems as though the efi boot menu adjustments happen during grub or boot somehow. I shutdown from the main install with 3 entries just the way I want them, and by the time I've booted into secondary and back into main there's four new entries and the part IDs for the original three have all been changed to the secondary. [02:31] I tried to get them to show up under different names, and I edited the GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR var in /etc/default/grub to accomplish that. I wonder if that's what messing it up. [02:31] ok so it sees the card 2b:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82599ES 10-Gigabit SFI/SFP+ Network Connection (rev 01) [02:31] but i do not see it anywhere === denningsrogue7 is now known as denningsrogue [02:35] jrg: Where are you looking? Nothing in `ip link`? [02:36] no. i checked ifconfig too not seeing it anywhere [02:36] Also, does `lspci -k` indicate a driver is assigned? [02:36] my guess is the intel SFP+ module does not load by default or something? [02:36] Yeah, my guess also. [02:36] Kernel driver in use: ixgbe [02:36] oh it does [02:38] Anything in dmesg for "ixgbe"? [02:39] oh i'm sorry. it is there. it renamed it. i was looking for ixgbe0 or something like that and i guess it changed it to enp43s0 [02:39] Ah yeah, that's the "prefictable" interface naming lol [02:39] predictable* [02:40] yah haha [02:40] personally i like it when they just keep the name of the driver so you can tell them apart easier === de-facto_ is now known as de-facto [02:57] gazby: thanks a ton. it's working now. i have smb mounts going through the 10gb card now [02:58] gazby: There is the tool "efibootmgr" to manage EFI entries. [02:58] !info efibootmgr focal | gazby [02:58] gazby: efibootmgr (source: efibootmgr): Interact with the EFI Boot Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 17-1 (focal), package size 27 kB, installed size 91 kB (Only available for amd64; i386; ia64; armhf; arm64; armel; x32) [03:04] jrg: 👍 [03:05] Bashing-om: Yeah that's what I'm using to manipulate the entries. Currently attempting a clean-out of the ESP and reinstalling grub to see if that gets me anywhere. [03:30] anyone creating his own ubuntu docker images based on Ubuntu ? I wonder about systemd... best would be if it's not there I guess but using apt-get installed packages you are sticked ? [03:30] docker is kinda stupid, but [03:31] if you're going to use it, it's hard to make a good argument to use Ubuntu with it [03:31] Debian non-desktop would be better [03:31] and many people use super cut-down distros, too [03:32] matsaman I think you never used docker in HA enviroments ? It's awesome... I come fromvery large deployed and provisioned clusters... this is uch better and more flexible and really MUCH faster and less overhead. [03:32] yes that is what I try to figure out... non-desktop is already there ? [03:33] super cut down means all deps need to be compiled manually mostly and I wonder if I really win something there except diskspace [03:38] Lutin: it's literally impossible for docker to be less overhead [03:38] Lutin: anyway, if you want to avoid systemd and a non-desktop distro is giving you systemd, you should find another distro [03:39] there are versions of Debian without systemd, like Devuan, IIRC [03:39] and there are distros that are less tyrannical about forcing systemd upon users, too, like Gentoo [03:39] matsaman yeah I have seen them. [03:39] Docker is really less overhead... KVM is nice but everthing around it mostly sucks [03:40] did you look at lxc? [03:42] matsaman that's almost the same as docker... to be precise... LXC runs docker images perfectly fine... not advised tho [03:44] it's not, docker is a clusterfsck managed by clowns [03:44] :-D [03:44] it's true they can both get you software level virtualization, I guess [03:49] matsaman you are making no sense at all [03:51] https://thehftguy.com/2016/11/01/docker-in-production-an-history-of-failure/ [03:51] not much has changed since 2016, IME [03:52] matsaman LOL 2016! [03:52] That was even the same with KVM and all others [03:52] Been there done that [03:53] I mean kvm is hardware virtualization, so no, that is not correct [04:01] oh in that case inded [04:01] indeed [04:02] * matsaman shrugs [04:03] bug I will checkout Alpine [04:03] at least now the Steam issue with CentOS... I'm so happy I started to do docker... I was using oVirt in the past very heavily [04:04] alpine is very popular [04:05] but it's certainly a cut down PITA if you ever have to do anything in it [04:05] it's also an OS [04:05] so you're virtualizing an entire OS [04:05] which is more than is required [04:05] if you have a GNU/Linux host, you can virtualize without virtualizing an entire guest OS [04:19] hello [04:20] hi [04:20] hi mat [04:21] anyone knows how to join Ubuntu into an Active Directory? [04:28] Clearing out ESP seems to have stopped the boot entries getting muddled all the time, but grub opens to a prompt now and even after manually booting and trying every variation of installing grub-efi-amd64, grub-install and update-grub I can't get it to stop. Any hints would very welcome <3 [04:34] gazby: I avoid UEFI nonsense whenever possible, which remains quite frequently these days [04:36] Hello everyone. [04:41] dabblerdude: hi [04:51] I tried going back a version with my video driver to try to remedy those desktop freezes I've been getting. [04:51] It didn't work. [04:52] nvidia? Did you try nouveau? Did you try nvidia's? [04:52] So next, I'll try out the "dmesg" and "journalctl -xe" commands. [04:54] matsaman: Under "Additional Drivers," I tried out the latest proprietary Nvidia driver for my GPU, which was version 460. [04:55] latest isn't always correct [04:55] Then I tried the version before 460, which was 450. I had another desktop freeze happen. [04:55] if you go to nvidia's website, the driver page, it'll tell you which version is correct [04:55] other than that, nouveau is very good [04:55] Also, no, I haven't tried nouveau for troubleshooting this issue. [04:55] well nouveau would be an entire replacement driver [04:56] I have another version of the driver I can use, but it's a little outdated; it's version 390. [05:00] matsaman: What's going on with my system is that, sometimes, my desktop freezes, but I'm able to move my mouse cursor and access TTYs. [05:00] dabblerdude: What release and kernel are you on ? [05:01] dabblerdude: like I said, check nvidia's driver site for the _correct_ version of the driver for your hardware [05:01] which is not always the latest version [05:01] if that doesn't work, and even if it does, it's worth trying nouveau instead [05:01] Bashing-om: Xubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, Linux Kernel 5.4.0-65-generic. [05:03] dabblerdude: All good then as DKMS issues are not present on the 5.4 kernel. pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' let's see here what version driver is installed and IF there is now a conflict. [05:06] Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/iekU3T9K [05:09] dabblerdude: There is a conflict: "linux-modules-nvidia-460-5.4.0-64-generic " with the 390 version driver. Let's also verify the driver version that is recommnded - lspci -k | grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - . [05:09] Well, I just installed the 390 driver not too long ago. [05:09] Bashing-om: Could that be a reason why you're seeing a conflict there? [05:11] dabblerdude: The thing is that the 460 version did not cleanly purge. [05:12] https://pastebin.com/45RCttDp [05:12] Bashing-om: Here's the log from the lspci command. [05:15] dabblerdude: Nvidia does recommend the 460 version driver: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/170134/en-us . [05:17] Bashing-om: Under "Additional Drivers," I see that the 460 version is there, but I'm not sure if it's 460.39 or not. [05:18] dabblerdude: dabblerdude: We take it :) Nvidia says "Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package." [05:21] dabblerdude: Try - With secure boot disabled ! - ' sudo apt remove --purge nvidia-* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' and reboot to see the effect. [05:22] Bashing-om: I'll try out that command. Executing this will get me the latest version of the driver, right? [05:22] 460? [05:23] dabblerdude: Yup - system is some kind of smart and will choose to install the 460 version driver from what it has to choose from. [05:24] Bashing-om: That's good to hear. Well, I'll try out that command and report back if there any other issues. [05:24] dabblerdude: :D - we are here to help. [06:09] i need some help with linux dir paths [06:10] i have a folder that changes names but has s costant name infront [06:10] like name-2021 name-2022 etc [06:11] i need a binary from it to be used with cp [06:11] i tried cp /name-*/binary but looks like i cant use asterisk to replace the folder name [06:11] i get an error i cannot stat [06:11] any help? [06:13] cp: cannot stat : No such file or directory [06:20] Ntemis, what OS & release, and don't forget * matches any characters so it may not mean what you intended) [06:21] is a 20.04 [06:21] is a script that runs on 20.04 [06:22] basically @guiverc i need to replace the last numbers of a uboot package [06:22] uboot-2021-01 [06:22] so i dont need to rename each time i upgrade it [06:23] something like cp uboot-";"/ that takes whatever comes after uboot name will do [06:25] I don't understand what you want, but '?' comes to mind [06:25] sorry I don't have time to assist either [06:25] so if i use cp uboot-?/binary /here/ will work?> [06:26] nope [06:27] it doesnt [06:30] ? means a single character; or you could `find -exec` but I don't understand your aim [06:42] Hello. I was running GNOME on Ubuntu but recently switched to i3 window manager. I just select it from the login screen and it's working very well. But anyone where how I can make it so so that the laptop doesn't suspend when the lid is closed? [06:43] I reckon it has something to do with systemd/elogind but I have no idea for sure. [06:54] Looks like I had to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf [07:20] ksynwa look onnpower management is my suggestion [08:10] hi, i just started with ubuntu latest version, i have problem with wine, it doesnt work, i tried troubleshooting with info from variuos sites and still doesnt work [08:12] seamammal: hi there. generally, "it does not work" is not a way to get support here, because no one can work with this amount of information. but wine is a special beast, it may not be possible to help you even when you provide more details. [08:12] !wine [08:12] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [08:13] ok will do that and tell u what happened thanks [08:14] i had ubuntu again in 2011 and i had the ubuntu version of that time and wine worked fine never gave me any problems , then i had windows, recently i deleted windows and put ubuntu and im suprised how beastly wine is cause before it worked ok. thanks [08:15] !virtualizers [08:15] There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications [08:15] !cedega [08:15] cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega [08:15] @vmware [08:15] !vmware [08:15] VMWare is not available in the Ubuntu repositories. Consider using !QEmu or !VirtualBox as alternatives. Instructions for installing VMWare manually are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware [08:16] rfm, Ntemis: sorry for the late answer, missed your answers. (question was why the fzf doc files were missing) [08:17] I installed fzf via „apt install fzf“, so I assumed the doc files (and therefore the autocompletion files) should be in there, too. As said, dpkg lists them (isn’t this showing all files which are included in the package/were copied?) [08:22] seamammal: if your hardware is good enough, you could run windows in a VM under Ubuntu. [08:25] i will deinstall it first and see then how it goes thanks [08:25] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/K8pj1qDg/w2.png [08:35] Hi! [08:35] Before systemd, what was "service apache2 restart" doing? I remeber it was calling /etc/init.d/... [08:36] Was it what we call "upstart" or is it something else? [08:37] or was it called supervisord? [08:37] pafymyc: upstart [08:37] upstart [08:37] and before that sysvinit [08:38] matsaman, for ubuntu 14.04, was it upstart? [08:38] yeah [08:38] ^ [08:38] $ which service => /usr/sbin/service [08:38] 'service' is on top [08:39] what do you mean by on top? [08:39] doesn't indicate strictly whether it's upstart or systemd [08:39] cat /usr/sbin/service: # A convenient wrapper for the /etc/init.d init scripts. [08:39] well there you have it [08:40] but it does not mention upstart [08:40] indicates nothing in particular, like I said [08:40] you can use 'service' with more than one init system [08:40] pafymyc: sudo ls -l /proc/1/exe [08:40] dpkg -l | egrep -i 'systemd|upstart' [08:41] on 14.04, /proc/1/exe -> /sbin/init [08:41] so it's not systemd, but i don't know exactly what we call "upstart" [08:41] upstart is upstart [08:41] it's an init system [08:42] ohh it's like sysinitv? [08:42] it's an alternative to sysvinit, yes [08:42] as is systemd (although systemd has so much feature creep it does a lot more) [08:43] iirc systemd started with 15.04 [08:43] thanks matsaman! as a TL;DR, 14.04: upstart, 15.04+: systemd and when was the older system? [08:43] Anyone here who manually install nvidia-XXXX-.run? [08:43] pafymyc: 6.10 [08:43] How can I update/install a newer version of the driver? [08:44] pafymyc: sorry, 6.10 was first with upstart [08:44] so <6.10 was regular sysvinit [08:44] doev: download it, do the .run again [08:44] doev: or switch to the in-repository version [08:44] or use nouveau [08:45] matsaman, ohhh thanks! [08:45] but what about cuda? does it still fit the new version? [08:45] because I have /etc/init.d/* i always thought 14.04 had "sysvinit" [08:45] doev: probably, but I'm sure nvidia's website would say [08:45] "init.d" => sysvinit, but so, this is wrong? [08:46] pafymyc: proof, I suppose, that even Canonical is less bonkers than Red Hat when it comes to trying to reinvent the init system [08:46] I should go with the nvidia-docker container and don't care about cuda on the host. [08:46] pafymyc: I don't know, if you've got upstart and you probably have, then it's probably wrong, yes [08:46] pafymyc: dpkg -l | grep -i upstart [08:49] matsaman, upstart is done by canonical, or is it a debian specific init? [08:49] canonical [08:49] but most things from Canonical die because they don't really have the developers [08:49] so when Debian switched to systemd so did Ubuntu [09:05] Maybe someone else has a hint: Installed fzf on ubuntu 20. dpkg -L tells me there is a file in /use/share/docs/ from this package which I need. But the file is not there. How can this be? [09:05] fub: maybe you need to install a doc related package for fzf [09:05] EriC^^: but there is only the „fzf“ package [09:05] oh [09:06] also, why does dpkg -L fzf list this file then? [09:06] right [09:06] whats the name of the file [09:06] !info fzf [09:06] fzf (source: fzf): general-purpose command-line fuzzy finder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.20.0-1 (focal), package size 932 kB, installed size 3024 kB [09:08] its "/usr/share/doc/fzf/examples/key-bindings.zsh" [09:08] !find /usr/share/doc/fzf/examples/key-bindings.zsh [09:08] Package/file /usr/share/doc/fzf/examples/key-bindings.zsh does not exist in focal [09:09] $ dpkg -L fzf | grep key-bindings.zsh [09:09] /usr/share/doc/fzf/examples/key-bindings.zsh [09:10] did you maybe move it out of the way after installing the package? [09:10] thanks matsaman for the info [09:10] no, its a completly fresh installation I am setting up [09:10] in a docker container [09:11] so "service apache restart2" uses upstart under the hood with 14.04, but the same command uses systemd for 15.04+? [09:11] tomreyn: https://dpaste.org/WTxj [09:11] the file is indeed containe din the fzf amd64 binary package for 20.04 LTS [09:14] fub: if the file had been moved previously, the package not purged, and that's where you started the actions displayed on your pastebin post, this woul dbe the expected outcome. [09:14] tomreyn: but as you can see in the paste, its a complete fresh ubuntu container [09:14] pafymyc: anything before ubuntu 16.04 LTS is not supported here (see /topic). for historic discussion, you could try #ubuntu-discuss [09:16] fub: hmm, yes, that's surprising. maybe this is not a default ubuntu image? [09:17] fub: what's the output of "apt-cache show fzf" [09:17] particularly "Filename" [09:18] Filename: pool/universe/f/fzf/fzf_0.20.0-1_amd64.deb [09:18] complete output: https://dpaste.org/RGHN [09:20] tomreyn, it's not for support, it's just for historic understanding of how things changed along the years [09:20] EriC^^: when I download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/fzf/fzf_0.20.0-1_amd64.deb, do an md5sum, its the same as the hash in the paste from me [09:20] pafymyc: see, and this channel is just for support. [09:21] fub: i have the file here [09:21] When I download it, the key-bindings.zsh is in there [09:21] So the only possibility is that apt is removing it after installing it?! [09:22] fub: that's why i'm asking about your ubuntu docker image. related? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973570 [09:22] Debian bug 973570 in fzf "fzf: keybinding files should be installed under /etc" [Normal,Open] [09:23] tomreyn: interesting, maybe this is related [09:23] unfortunately it happens on a daily basis that people ask for support with something they think is ubuntu and must behave like ubuntu because it said "ubuntu" somewhere when they set it up. but it isn'T. [09:24] and then you have these lengthy gussing games here until we find out, sometimes after hours, that's not actually ubuntu [09:24] okay, I did not know the docker ubuntu image is different [09:24] yeah, know what you'Re running [09:25] I did look at /etc/issue so I assumed its a default ubuntu [09:25] if you don't know how it was setup in the first place you can't know it's ubuntu, and moreover, you can't trust it. === chovy is now known as mywsbbot [09:27] so this is why its not copied: https://dpaste.org/GrzC === mywsbbot is now known as chovy [09:33] I emptied this file, it works now, thanks for your help! [10:12] i can use mkvmerge to trim a video, but that will cut a bit at the end and another bit at the beginning. Now, I want to get rid of 4 sections within a mkv file: I want to get rid of minutes 4 to 6, 18 to 21, 1:34:01 to 1:35:56... and still have a single mkv file in the end. Is mkvmerge the tool for this? === sauvin_ is now known as Sauvin [12:52] frad: maybe a question for ##linux or #ubuntu-studio also have volunteers with media editing [12:53] Hi people, somebody knows a bash script for ffmpeg for convert all files and subfolders? I found so far only this bash script > https://ghostbin.com/paste/bocDf [12:56] Hi folks [12:59] tollosz1: a question for ##linux or ##ffmpeg perhaps? [13:00] hi guys is there any way to install Pop Shop on ubuntu? [13:01] pop shop? do you have an URL? [13:01] https://github.com/pop-os/shop [13:02] it's pop-os's shop, it's much more superior than our snap store because it lets you choose if you want the deb or the snap [13:02] oh pop os, not supported here, join #system76 for that [13:03] it is their adapted ubuntu spinnoff [13:03] hey, i have a ubuntu server VM. which packages do i have to install to convert/adapt it to an desktop system? just sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop? [13:04] or is there anyway to revert back to the deb store? i really hate snaps [13:04] mendi: to divide snaps from apt packages you can divide snap-store vs gnome-software and synaptic [13:05] mendi, nope. [13:05] not our project, ask #system76 [13:05] i meant the pre 20.04 shop [13:05] that didn't have those nasty snaps [13:07] Deknos: you could try asking #ubuntu-server, but i think its better/faster to install clean, depending of your use case ofc [13:07] apt install gnome-software seems to have done the trick thanks lotuspsychje [13:08] welcome [13:09] some apps still appear as coming from snapcraft.io though, do I have to remove them from apt lists? [13:09] snaps are not stored in apt lists, they are seperate [13:09] if you don't like snaps, hop distro [13:11] isn't there any other way of removing snaps [13:13] I'm installing Ubuntu 20.04.1 on VirtualBox. I open Software Updater, it installs most updates properly. It gets to linux-headers-5.8.0-41-generic and it doesn't go any further. I can't open any application (nothing happens after I click them) and if I hard-reset the machine, wallpaper and all the icons, textures and applications are gone from the [13:13] GUI. During the process of software update, system keeps writing to the disk constantly (in the amounts of gigabytes) before I hard-reset it. [13:14] https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-20-04/ [13:14] will try this thanks [13:15] @razorback, change distro or VM software [13:15] could also be a bug [13:15] wait gnome is a snap in ubuntu? [13:16] mendi, yes, some parts are snaps [13:16] tollosz1: ahah, I'm acutally installing Ubuntu VM on an Ubuntu host. [13:17] hello, i finaly tried to upgrade my ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04, update-manager was not willing to go through for some reason, so i tried the old fashion way of updating /etc/apt-sources.list to replace bionic with focal and things didn't go well, so i'm in a tty now, trying to give the right directions to apt to get out of there, it seems one of the issues is python3 versions incompatibilities, python3 and [13:17] libpython3 depend on python3.6 but a lot of python3 libs are asking for 3.8, apt policy does show me an update of python3/libpython3-dev to 3.8, but apt is not willing to install it, and it's not willing to uninstall python3 either (as many many things depend on it of course), any direction? [13:18] @razorback, tried the terminal? Or just the GUI updater? [13:19] i did try a long list of packages to remove and reinstall later, but it's seems that's as low as i'm able to go in amount of conflicts http://sprunge.us/CIn6Nm [13:19] tollosz1: " old fashion way of updating /etc/apt-sources.list " is NOT the recommended way [13:19] tollosz1: currently the GUI updater, on the third try it seems to have moved beyond that package so I'll see what happens [13:19] err [13:19] tshirtman [13:19] Maik: yeah i guess [13:19] but update-manager was not cutting it :| [13:20] tollosz1: my reply wasn't mean't for you :) [13:20] :p [13:20] I would say its a bug [13:20] tshirtman: there are many tutorials out there on you to do it properly [13:20] you/how [13:21] got distracted here... doh [13:21] hm, no worries, i tend not to rely on tutorials, as i've seen how wrong they can be on the stuff i know about [13:22] .s gme [13:22] GME: $ 313.02 -11.98 -3.69% After Hours Volume: 1.73M [13:23] chovy: no bots here [13:23] Maik: but i'll dig, do you think it's salvageable, or should i cut my losses and install again? (though i would prefer to avoid that, as that would mean a lot of things to tweak again) [13:23] lotuspsychje: ok [13:25] what is core18 used for [13:25] I wonder is executing that tutorial messes up your system [13:25] s/is/if/ [13:26] tshirtman: what does this report? "LANG=C apt-get -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=true -f install" [13:28] mendi: snap info snap-name-here [13:29] "Runtime environment based on Ubuntu 18.04" [13:29] do snaps run on top of core18? [13:29] TJ-: http://sprunge.us/7Y5JJA [13:29] !discuss | mendi [13:29] mendi: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [13:30] thanks I'm just trying to make sure I don't break anything while unsnapping my system [13:32] how to make sure the wireless card installed properly? [13:32] i see wlp5s0 on ifconfig [13:32] chieta: check; sudo lshw -C network to check [13:33] chieta: at bottom driver=.... [13:33] TJ-: i went on with it, but no dice http://sprunge.us/oLO1CA [13:34] lotuspsychje: network disabled... but listed ar9285 wireless Network adapter [13:34] from Qualcomm Atheros [13:35] chieta: can you pastebin for the volunteers to see please? [13:35] tshirtman: there's a sneaky workaround than may help you, if you can install and run LXD containers [13:35] please wait lotuspsychje [13:36] TJ-: i have docker working apparently [13:36] and i do have a 20.04 image in there [13:36] tshirtman: as in, create a 20.04 container with the same set of packages in it you need on the host, then copy the essential parts into the host to 'fix' the severe breakages until the host can recover on its own. You'd need a 'system' container (LXD) rather than application container (Docker/LXC) [13:37] ah, i have no experience with these, but i can have a look, thanks :) [13:37] * enyc meows [13:37] hrrm 20.04.2 soon [13:38] tshirtman: creating an LXD 20.04 container is relatively easy, assuming lxd will initially 'init' ("lxd init") and choose 'dir' storage when asked, accept defaults for all others [13:39] tshirtman: then you create a new container with "lxc launch ubuntu:20.04 u2004" and enter it with "lxc exec u2004 bash" [13:41] TJ-: thanks, container creation in progress [13:43] will it take significant space on my system? as i only have 5G free right now, but i can make space :) [13:43] nevermind, i'm in :) [13:43] lotuspsychje: https://bpa.st/B2NYO [13:44] enyc: already on 20.04.2 like all the users who run the LTS release and kept updating as should [13:44] network disabled on wireless card [13:44] TJ-: so i get the copy of manually selected packages from my current system, install these there and resolve possible conflicts, and then sync the two systems somehow? [13:45] chieta: does your wifi have a switch? is your system up to date to latest? [13:45] tshirtman: because it is 'dir'ectory storage, once you've ensured it has everything you want, you could 'exit' it and then copy dirs/files out of it to the host, files will be at, or near, /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/storage-pools/default/containers/u2004/rootfs/ [13:46] Maik: o thats interesting I guess its' just new-disk-images being finalized now? [13:46] tshirtman: if you create a 20.04 container it'll be pristine and perfect. It may already be sufficient to enable you to fix python3 on the host sufficiently to help the host recover and complete the release-upgrade [13:47] enyc: new iso's will be released february 4th [13:47] why would you need a new iso if you run 20.04 already and updated them [13:48] Maik: wouldn't but interestied in what process going on still =) [13:48] the iso's are just up to date images with applied bugfixes [13:48] lotuspsychje: this is lenovo g460 ... it must be fn+F5 but not working [13:48] any idea? [13:48] Maik: not quite that simple, may have hwe kernel and so on [13:48] chieta: uname -a please? [13:48] enyc: nope [13:48] but the button f5 do work [13:48] driverversion=5.4.0-26-generic firmware=N/A ... [13:49] i hardly found the switch [13:49] enyc: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/improvements-for-hardware-support-in-ubuntu-desktop-installation-media/20606 [13:49] Linux lubuntu 5.4.0-26-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 20 16:58:30 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [13:49] !uptodate | chieta [13:49] chieta: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [13:50] chieta: what does this show? "pastebinit <( rfkill list )" [13:50] enyc: the installer chooses which kernel you get [13:50] afaik [13:51] but that's more a discussion for in -discuss i guess [13:51] Maik: there have been lots of complaints about ryzen etc. not booting (hence not installable) in k5.4 [13:56] i sthere any advice for a vpn for ubuntu? [13:56] i already have vpn for windows but i swtiched to ubuntu and now my windows vpn doesnt work as i didnt figure out wine yet [13:56] is there a very cheap or free vpn for ubuntu [13:57] seamammal: there are several vpn clients on both apt and snap [13:57] for a price i guess [13:57] seamammal: but we focus more on ubuntu support questions in this channel [13:57] seamammal: very much suspect trying to ''wine'' a windows client is not a good idea at all, network interfering, etc... [13:57] ok nop [13:57] so you say my windows vpn wouldnt work anyways in wine/ubunut [13:57] seamammal: Linux has many VPN options built in; most recent and most peformant is Wireguard [13:57] nice to know [13:57] seamammal: searching the web gave any results? [13:58] i will have to buy an ubuntu vpn [13:58] maik yes but its confusing which one is the best [13:58] seamammal: more traditional is openvpn although that is less performant [13:58]