 @drym4rch0n [Speaking of which, I just ordered what I thought was a Nexus 5 and when I got th …], Totally new to this community, and the telegram channel. This post made me realize that I just did the exact same about an hour ago lol. Bought a used nexus 5x, excitedly, thinking it was a nexus 5.
 @trocknet_banan [Totally new to this community, and the telegram channel. This post made me reali …], lol, well at least I'm not the only one
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone in the USA saga continues:  went to my local AT&T store where on …], it wont have the right bands for tmobile
 Yeah, I think it needs 1700
 @mateosalta [it wont have the right bands for tmobile], Volla with UT on T-mobile: phone calls currently working and clear; data limited to 2G … Volla with UT on AT&T: phone calls not able to be sent; data all good at 4G/LTE.
 I'm just ordering the f(x)tec Pro X
 @TotalSonic [I am getting clear phone calls with T-mobile on the Volla Phone - but how long t …], im wondering if they are dropping 2g maube just 3g?- the news was that it would be gone on the 29th - but im still able to text
 @UniversalSuperBox [... wait no it doesn't], Oof
 I'm waiting on a pinephone myself
 @mateosalta [im wondering if they are dropping 2g maube just 3g?- the news was that it would …], I don't think they are doing a "cold" shutdown, likely there is potential corporate liability if Emergency calls don't get through from a non-transitioned shutdown - and 2G does not take up much data traffic relative to 3G - so probably the
[01:10] <ubptgbot> y are keeping the 2G going for a little bit.
 @TotalSonic [Volla with UT on T-mobile: phone calls currently working and clear; data limited …], same, i will have to test my att though - it did require manual configuration on my sony, and they need imei entered online
 I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], Right?
 if it got 4g, that would be awesome
 @mateosalta [same, i will have to test my att though - it did require manual configuration on …], hmmm, if you can let me know what settings you used so I can test again would be great.  Otherwise - seems I need to flash to Volla OS and change my plan to AT&T if I want to actually use it as a daily driver for the present time.
 cool, will try it
 @mateosalta [if it got 4g, that would be awesome], I went into an AT&T store today with my Volla and they let me try one of their SIMS - it got fast LTE from the get go - but could not place a phone call.  Meanwhile - I can still place and receive phone calls on the road with my current T-mobile account.
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], We do exist!!
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], Raises hand (but has only ever actually used a smartphone in America once in the past decade, and also once in his lifetime)
 Besides the carrier dilemma, and the minor notch indicator wonkiness (partly fixed with a few terminal commands) -  have to say UT on the Volla is a super pleasure to use.
 @dohbee [Yeah, I think it needs 1700], Then this is encouraging:
 https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/telus-canada
 @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol
 I don't mess with Texas and Texas leaves me alone
 lol
 @TotalSonic [Besides the carrier dilemma, and the minor notch indicator wonkiness (partly fix …], what are you doing with the notch
 @drym4rch0n [And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol], Differences:  Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!"  — Person insults Florida -> Floridians: "lol, and that's not even the worse, here check this out, you're not going to believe this...."
 @TartanSpartan [https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/telus-canada], I think not
 Why not?
 @mateosalta [what are you doing with the notch], There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax … Simply run the script in this repo as the phablet user: … `wget -O apply-notch-hax.sh https://git.io/JtIpG … chmod +x apply-notch-hax.sh … ./apply-notch-hax.sh`
 @TotalSonic [Differences:  Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!"  — Person insults Flor …], lol
 @TartanSpartan [Why not?], Villa doesn't do 1700
 i was trying to hack the qml, make the bar go down a bit further to line up with the notch
 @mateosalta [what are you doing with the notch], [Edit] There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax … Simply run the script in this repo as the phablet user: … `wget -O apply-notch-hax.sh https://git.io/JtIpG` … `chmod +x apply-notch-hax.sh` … `./apply-notch-hax.sh`
 @TotalSonic [There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-n …], ooo, cool
 True, but it does 2100, 2600, and 850.
 @dohbee [Villa doesn't do 1700], Volla does 2100, which is not reliably distributed (T-mobile uses 2100 a little bit, but I am not getting it here).  Volla also uses 850 (which is what AT&T uses)
 @drym4rch0n [And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol], [Edit] Differences:  Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!"  — Person insults Florida -> Floridians: "lol, and that's not even the worst, here check this out, you're not going to believe this...."
 (Photo, 369x800) https://irc.ubports.com/JgM5aBri.png Something occurred to me looking at this view for notched phones.
 We have the mobile signal, wifi, volume, battery and time indicators to the right of the notch.
[01:26] <ubptgbot> AbuMubarak1378 was added by: AbuMubarak1378
 But what happens when you use UTTT to put a battery percentage next to it's indicator (as I find essential to do)?
 Or use a mobile hotspot? Or have two SIMs? Or all three of these together?
 that needs work
 the idea is to have a kind of word wrap spacer somehow
 I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one that wishes the apps back button was reachable with the right hand thumb instead of the top left corner for easier single handed use?
 push ones that are underneath the notch to the other side, it would be complicated
 (Photo, 369x800) https://irc.ubports.com/w6gM9H5H.png Right, because I guess the inference from this "before patch" screenshot is that using two SIMs will cause one's signal strength to be obscured under the notch.
 oh, i also like turning the indicator pannel black it blends with the notch and corners nicely
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/WNgHu0p0.png
 Current view with the Volla
 How much difference is between android and ubuntu touch in terms of battery life. Pls some one answer
 @mateosalta [oh, i also like turning the indicator pannel black it blends with the notch and …], Isn't this done by default?
 Whoops - the screenshot doesn't show the notch - doh!
 ^Yeah that threw me for a sec :P
 @TartanSpartan [Isn't this done by default?], systems color is dark grey
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], Looking good
 Ahhh.
 Gotcha.
 What's the max number of apps we can pin to the launcher these days?
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 @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], is hard to make a universal back button
 i was thinking we could change the qml on the theme level for uuitk apps - but for everything else it is up to the app
 @TotalSonic [Volla does 2100, which is not reliably distributed (T-mobile uses 2100 a little …], But I think both are required
 @TartanSpartan [What's the max number of apps we can pin to the launcher these days?], There us no max?
 Well, I guess however much RAM you have
 i suppose if it gets slow or crashes lomiri on boot you reached the max ;p
 I thought testing it a couple of years ago it capped out at 10 or 12. That, and/or opening other apps which weren't pinned could mess with those intended to be pinned.
 works fine here
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/PTaQijb0.png
 over 20 its fine
 @TartanSpartan [I thought testing it a couple of years ago it capped out at 10 or 12. That, and/ …], It's scrollable
 I guess I'll have to boost my number of pins when my Volla finally arrives! Anticipation is exponential.
 @TotalSonic try out the youtube app, I did some changes for volla, filling the screen fullscreen, and fullscreen button when taping the fingerprint
 I need to try and center the video, or anchor it to bottom instead though
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 Here's the Volla where you can see the notch and indicator margin fix
 (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/0CBFmNcH.png
 Here's the Volla where you can see the notch and indicator margin fix
 looks good
 That's with battery percentage and Weather Indicator on.
 It obscures the networking indicator.
 [Edit] The notch obscures the Network indicator.
 Pic taken with Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 running UT.  It's UT device insanity over here.
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic try out the youtube app, I did some changes for volla, filling the s …], yeah - the tapping the finger print scanner to engage full screen (and back off) for YouTube Webapp and Morph browser works great.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/S34vpOfr.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LP6vWuFh.png
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kUlVRIDz.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4Y6ILOm1.webp
 Good photo documentation guys.
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 @Yo5eff [<reply to media>], use TELEports or Webtelegram from the store … maybe that's an unmaintained app? … or maybe you're on a pinephone?
 @Yo5eff [<reply to media>], That doesn't look like teleports
 yeah maybe he's using a pinephone … I just checked and webtelegram has issue with the keyboard … I think is because there's a know issue with the pine devices on scaling of qqc2 and qtwebengine
 Hello everyone. Tell me why when I try to write saves to the ril_subscription.conf file from under root in the terminal, the terminal gives me a save error, because the file system is read-only. How can I write the saves to a file?
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 @Yo5eff [Tried now. It closes by itself after a few minutes 😁], eh?
 @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], its an open problem yeah
 @Javacookies [use TELEports or Webtelegram from the store … maybe that's an unmaintained app? … or …], I was using Telegram Web. Then installed TELEports and it was closing by itself , but now it seems to be holding without closing. It's an Samsung Note 4
 @DennoGram [Hello everyone. Tell me why when I try to write saves to the ril_subscription.co …], hi, please keep in mind that changes to the rootfs will be overwritten on update, with that out of the way you can remount rootfs as rw to test changes directly on the phone
 @mateosalta [That doesn't look like teleports], No, that was Telegram Web
 (Photo, 1280x1198) https://irc.ubports.com/AuTKoPVB.png
 Webtelegram seems to be the most decent web version of telegram in the store. Content hub also works on it though like I mentioned, it has scaling issue on the pinephone
 I'll be testing a lot of stuff for sure - at least the tools i'll be needing. What is the best way to reinstall UT in case something breaks up badly? From recovery?
 as long as you don't modify the rootfs, i don't think you can break it that easily xD
 installer if it's not booting … if you just want to refresh your root, you can switch channels on the device
 or ssh in a system-image-cli it iiuc
 oh yeah, another option
 [Edit] or ssh in a `system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots` it iiuc
 and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps shouldn't need such a reset
 @Fuseteam [as long as you don't modify the rootfs, i don't think you can break it that easi …], Yup. Ubuntu is usually strong... On my computers been doing stuff that would make me have to reinstall windows at least a few times... And computers had broke - change disk to another one and still working 😂 … Also was a great thing to install
[05:51] <ubptgbot> on family & friends laptops. Rarely they now need assistance
 [Edit] and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps installs shouldn't need such a reset
 yeah tis great especially if they aren't too dependant on certain software
 @Javacookies [installer if it's not booting … if you just want to refresh your root, you can swi …], UBports installer can handle it without the need to reinstall android first? I only can get connection to PC if i boot in recovery mode...
 yes it can
 @Fuseteam [and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps installs shouldn't need such a re …], I try to avoid doing "dumb things" , but sometimes, specially when going "first steps" to learn how to use, things go wrong... Many years ago, i had to reinstall windows 95 3 times in first month i had first PC... That thing was "fragile" 😂
 one thing i like about ubuntu touch is that the "system files" sizes is guarenteed to not be more than—
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Gd1W9p3R.png
 wait 3.5? eh? o.O
 that doesn't seem right 🤔
 @Fuseteam [hi, please keep in mind that changes to the rootfs will be overwritten on update …], thank you, everything worked out
 Can i use anbox in redmi note 7 aka lavender?
 @Fuseteam [yes it can], Can someone with a Samsung Note 4 tell me if it connects with computer when turned on? Just to make sure it is not just in mine that i have that problem...
 @Fuseteam [one thing i like about ubuntu touch is that the "system files" sizes is guarente …], The calculations are a bit wrong yes ;)
 @TotalSonic [What is ironic is T-mobile is supposedly doing the transition to VoLTE only alre …], According to AT&T, their 3G/2G stays up until Feb 1, 2022 for existing pre-paid customers with a 3G handset. New accounts and Post-paid have been denied or getting kicked off since Jan 19 2021. Anyone not on their whitelist is getting
[07:48] <ubptgbot> kicked off, as is the fate of the pinephone. They have not made it clear if they will allow devices back on as data devices. … Put in an AT&T sim and it will work for a few minutes. Then you'll get a text message saying you do not have a compatible HD Voice device. Access denied, click this link for details... I've gotten it, so have others
 As of this moment, T-mobile's 3G network is still up, with no explanation from T-Mobile. So, yes, it's just speculation, but maybe they blinked
 What a waste of resources. Imagine the pile of electronic garbage being dumped right now
 Tragic waste. I donated my Nexus 5 to another member, and have a box of devices to send to recycling. And a box, of Samsung's I haven't five through yet. All rejects customers didn't want because of this. Mostly, all functional otherwise
 [Edit] Tragic waste. I donated my Nexus 5 to another member, and have a box of devices to send to recycling. And a box, of Samsung's I haven't gone through yet. All rejects customers didn't want because of this. Mostly, all functional otherwise
 We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way around this problem - pretty please @Cibersheep
 Google Voice for web works as an alternative. But you'll only get notifications when the window is open and screen on - no web push for Morph
 I had a good, and cheap,  VoIP solution if linphone was available for 64bit
 https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep
 VoIP.ms is a good option
 @rocket2nfinity [VoIP.ms is a good option], Thanks for the linkm Yeah - the lack of ringing unless phone is active is a problem, but better than having just a data only device.
 @rocket2nfinity [VoIP.ms is a good option], [Edit] Thanks for the link! Yeah - the lack of ringing unless phone is active is a problem, but better than having just a data only device.
 T-Mobile has clarified that they will let your device stay on as a data only device as long as it can do LTE data. From the complaints online, AT&T likely will not. And no, Cricket won't help. I've seen half a dozen complaints of being cut off with various devices capable of VoLTE but not on the list.
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has clarified that they will let your device stay on as a data only dev …], Well, looks like I need to convert my Volla to Volla OS, and change plans to AT&T, if I want to actually use it as a daily driver, rather than just a tinkerer's device. But UT is really my preferred mobile OS, by far.
 Trying to decide the same with my N6P. I have others for daily drivers. Just would like to totally switch over to UT. I really dislike android 10
 I've had the option to buy a OnePlus6T for a while now, but don't want to take it if the port for it doesn't improve to include network and audio
[09:12] <ubptgbot> Themetaleye was added by: Themetaleye
 Can I ask, since Ubuntu touch is "promoted" as a privacy friendly system. What is the difference between UT and Lineage? (Using encryption, no root, no gms, anti ultrasound bacon, no sensors(software), tor, and FOSS apps without trakers only.....). Does it have any battery usage or privacy or security advantage?
 @Themetaleye [Can I ask, since Ubuntu touch is "promoted" as a privacy friendly system. What i …], Absolutely no data is sent to Google whereas even with ungoogled android it is
 Hello, is there support for VoLTE and VoWiFi for the LGE Nexus 5? Im running ubuntu 16.04
 So basically its lineageos with full linux shell and apps, am I right?
 I hope I'll be able to help soon. This project is like when cm came out, revolutionary
 @TotalSonic [We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way aroun …], Indeed … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/compile-linphone-ubuntu-touch/-/merge_requests/2
 @drym4rch0n [lol, well at least I'm not the only one], seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is this futile and one should rather use it for experimenting with AOSP roms?
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 @hafedh [Hello, is there support for VoLTE and VoWiFi for the LGE Nexus 5? Im running ubu …], No,there is not yet support for those protocols on UT yet,except for devices like the PinePhone, but there are efforts to enable it - although I am fairly  sure the Nexus5 cannot be supported for those.
 @trocknet_banan [seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is t …], Nexus 5x is not supported for UT, only Nexus 5.
 Too bad😢, guess need to find a newer phone that supports UT protocols
 @cibersheep [Indeed … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/compile-linphone-ubuntu-touch/-/merge …], Sorry for my ignorance, are these open issues, or is it possible to build this if one has the ability at this point?
 @TotalSonic [Nexus 5x is not supported for UT, only Nexus 5.], thank you for elaborating! would you know what would happen if I just flashed a nexus 5x with ubports anyhow? I read somewhere that there's a similar problem for the nexus 6P as for the 5x but that 6P does seem to work with ubports meanwhile - is there any hope I could
[10:41] <ubptgbot> still make it work? :D (sorry for the extreme n00b questions)
 @trocknet_banan [thank you for elaborating! would you know what would happen if I just flashed a …], The image for Nexus 5 will NOT work on Nexus 5X - you will be unable to boot an os - they are different devices internally. Nexus 6P has a port that is a work in progress though.
 @TotalSonic [The image for Nexus 5 will NOT work on Nexus 5X - you will be unable to boot an …], I see, I see.. bummer x) - thanks a lot for the information!
 Unfortunately the Nexus 5X hit big barriers in efforts to port it, and I am fairly certain will never be supported
 @TotalSonic [Sorry for my ignorance, are these open issues, or is it possible to build this i …], This member of the community was working trying to make the libs build. … We could use some help to finish it
 @rocket2nfinity [According to AT&T, their 3G/2G stays up until Feb 1, 2022 for existing pre-paid …], i do prepaid
 @cibersheep [This member of the community was working trying to make the libs build. … We could …], I wish I could help but sadly lack the ability. I am glad to donate to bounties if that can help though
 @mateosalta [i do prepaid], Seems they are not allowing people to activate new 3G dependent accounts though.
 ah, well guess i got in on time before that
 @TotalSonic [I wish I could help but sadly lack the ability. I am glad to donate to bounties …], I understand. Thank you
 Woooow!  https://bit.ly/39BN9z1  … Musk posted about bitcoin … 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
[11:54] <ubptgbot> mhkarimi83 was added by: mhkarimi83
 Hello  … I want ubuntu touch for galaxy note 5  … Please help me … TNX
 @mhkarimi83 [Hello  … I want ubuntu touch for galaxy note 5  … Please help me … TNX], http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 @TotalSonic [http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubport …], Note 5 has no gsi support
 @mhkarimi83 [Note 5 has no gsi support], Best to ask at https://t.me/ubports_porting
 Thanks
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 @DennoGram [thank you, everything worked out], if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?
 @Flohack [The calculations are a bit wrong yes ;)], how does it calculate it anyway?
 @TotalSonic [We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way aroun …], https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/linphone-simple/-/issues/49
 @Fuseteam [how does it calculate it anyway?], I dont know but what it should do is: … - Retrieve size of sd storage (total storage) … - Retrieve size of cache + system partition => Call it "system reserved" … - Retrieve size of all Ubuntu files in data partition => "Occupied by Ubuntu Touch" … - retrieve all other sizes
 The actual result does not cater for system and cache partiton being not usable for the user
 ah i see guess that's another thing to look into for my bucket list thanks
 [Edit] ah i see guess that's another thing(#storageusage) to look into for my bucket list thanks
 @trocknet_banan [seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is t …], Futile according to Dalton. I'm just going to put LineageOS on it and stick it back on ebay.
 According to legends many have attempted to port, none of succeeded. the nexus 5x is truly the dragon of the Ubuntu Touch world
 hmmm looks like these hashtags are client specific 🤔
 @Themetaleye [So basically its lineageos with full linux shell and apps, am I right?], No. It is not android at all in that sense. You can't run android apps. The AOSP part we use where needed is very minimal (no Java stuff) to use the proprietary drivers necessary to have working hardware on those devices. It is run in a container. And a
[14:22] <ubptgbot> GNU/Linux system is run on top, using a compatibility library where needed, to talk to Android HAL. Ubuntu Touch is also not a traditional linux distro, so don't expect to use it like you would use Ubuntu on your PC either.
 @dohbee [No. It is not android at all in that sense. You can't run android apps. The AOSP …], Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was hoping to have some non proprietary drivers for socs in future
 @Themetaleye [Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was h …], if you want only open drivers, look at Pinephone perhaps. It does not use any android parts at all. And no, even in the future, Ubuntu Touch is not a traditional distribution, even when it can be installed on traditional PC hardware.
 @Themetaleye [Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was h …], android apps may work with anbox but it will be limited and not everything is guarentee to work, Ubuntu Touch has not been ported for the desktop yet, and as rodney says it will still have a readonly rootfs, apt will still not be supported
[14:45] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], ha ha no only one...but
 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], These notches are just all sort of sad aren't they, it bugs me that you even need to work on this, BAN THE NOTCH
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Bharatwaj.S [How much difference is between android and ubuntu touch in terms of battery life …], It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 min.
 @Ted Rendol [It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 …], eh? i can run ubuntu touch an entire week without charging and minimal use xD
 I think UT can be better on standy battery but can be a bit worse on actual use
 @PiecerEdd [These notches are just all sort of sad aren't they, it bugs me that you even nee …], sadly, the next UT devices will mostly have the notch since phones has it for the past like 3 years?
 ban the notching by moving the top edge down :p
 I think that's really the easiest and simplest way to handle it
 yeah probably the simplest, not sure about it being the easiest tho
 well it's definitely easier than putting complicated logic which may complicate future developments as well
 yeah but how do we actually move the top edge? what does that involve?
 I understood thank you 🙏😉✌️
 it's not just the top notch that's a problem
 the rounded corners as well
 and notches aren't always centered
 or even notches any more. sometimes it's a cut-out (like a circle only for the camera)
 oh and the notch isn't always at the top in usage either :x
 right
 I think the holes are that disruptive like the notches
 @Fuseteam [yeah but how do we actually move the top edge? what does that involve?], I'm thinking of maybe adding a device configuration for margins  for the top (notch) and maybe for the corners as well.
 thinking for a solution makes me feel more anger for crearing unnecessary probelems just make phones look "good"
 a proper solution is going to be the same as what android does, so we would take the masking image file provided for android on that device, derive some values from it, and apply those to the system somehow. how they should be applied though, i am not entirely sure
 @Javacookies [I'm thinking of maybe adding a device configuration for margins  for the top (no …], but what about when the device is rotated?
 @Javacookies [thinking for a solution makes me feel more anger for crearing unnecessary probel …], this is what I meant.. its terrible that you (or anyone else) is now putting in real effort to to work around this, when really it should've been 'don't cut stupid holes in screens' 😛
 what do Android phones do when they're rotated and notched? I think iPhones basically just blank out that part of the screen don't they, or is that only for 'fullscreen' stuff
 that's masking file may be key 🤔
 Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can Ubuntu touch be installed on a OnePlus 3t and function properly? … Any help would be appreciated.
 @ggio01 [Say which os is this], wait kali wtf
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], it depends on what you need
 this thread may help you @InvictusBoom : https://forums.ubports.com/category/52/oneplus-3-3t
 @PiecerEdd [what do Android phones do when they're rotated and notched? I think iPhones basi …], i think it depends, but in a lot of things you just have a notch in whatever you're looking at
 @Fuseteam [it depends on what you need], @Fuseteam It helps me to know what it does not support so I will be able to make an informed decision.
 Thank you for the link.
 I used the OnePlus 3 for a while. Good device, except for video recording has not gotten enabled yet
 @InvictusBoom [Thank you for the link.], glad the link is helpful 👍
 @dohbee [a proper solution is going to be the same as what android does, so we would take …], yeah  but I feel like it's not worth the time to implement complicated things that may even make future developments more complicated as well. … Notches so far are not showstoppers anyway. Let's just let these devices passs until we see again
[15:24] <ubptgbot>  devices without them 😄
 curved edges are also an issue (though perhaps slightly less complicated to deal with for lomiri)
 yeah those too and they also vary
 let'
 [Edit] It's decided, next ports should only target Sony devices 😆
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 heres me thinking I'm safe from this madness... my Cosmo Communicator has rounded corners!! nooo
 @drym4rch0n [Futile according to Dalton. I'm just going to put LineageOS on it and stick it b …], haha thanks for the info, sigh, I guess I'll have to do the same.. or I'll keep it to play around with some custom aosp roms. I'm such a noob that I feel like any kind of technical engagement with a phone is instructive :D
 @Fuseteam [According to legends many have attempted to port, none of succeeded. the nexus 5 …], thank you too for the info! I see that I have to come to terms with the situation of having bought a useless phone then xD
 @Ted Rendol [It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 …], Higher or lower. And what about things like standby time and power consumption
 ime higher in terms of standby time, lower in screentime
 well, no decoding/gpu accel for video in browser, so it's all cpu, which will eat battery
 i don't think that's the full scope 🤔
 no, but given the amount of apps in UT that are webapps, it makes a significant difference
 yeah true
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 is that possible to install ubuntu touch on xperia z5 ?
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 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machine/phone
[17:21] <ubptgbot>  designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but that one is running Win 10.  Linux is such a better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development. … Bit of a warni
[17:21] <ubptgbot> ng... the Precision z Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:22] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is such a better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development.
[17:22] <ubptgbot> … Bit of a warning... the Precision z Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:23] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is a much better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development.
[17:23] <ubptgbot> … Bit of a warning... the Precision z Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:23] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is a much better desktop environment... especially when it comes to development.
[17:23] <ubptgbot> … Bit of a warning... the Precision Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 @InvictusBoom [Hi everybody. … I am using iphone and Samsung and I want to switch to Linux. … Can U …], [Edit] I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the biggest mistake people make is they buy a machine built for MS Windows, and then expect to run Linux it.  If you want to run Linux, buy a machin
[17:24] <ubptgbot> e/phone designed to run Linux, or whatever OS you plan on running. … My personal favorite Linux machines are the Dell Precision Mobile Workstations.  I've been using the M4600 and the M4800 for years running Linux.  Currently use a 7530 to develop at work, but they make us run Win 10 on that one.  Linux is a much better desktop environment... espec
[17:24] <ubptgbot> ially when it comes to development. … Bit of a warning... the Precision Mobile Workstations are professional machines, which average around $3,000 new, and can get up to $7,000 new if you deck them out.  However, you can buy them about 5 years old for way less, and they're still powerhouses.
 My laptop came without an OS so I guess it doesn't count, but I think is fair to assume it was thought with windows in mind
 but I run linux in it just fine
 it runs better than windows 10
 [Edit] it runs better than windows 10 actually
 [Edit] My laptop came without an OS so I guess it doesn't count, but I think is fair to assume it was thought with windows in mind since it's an HP
 Linux will run on most everything, but there are too many little gotchas that can pop up with machines built for another OS.
 either way, this group is about Ubuntu Touch, not random linux distros on random hardware :)
 hello, I'm trying to reinstall anbox but it says I don't have enough space in `/var/cache/apt/archives/`
 @flaburgan [hello, I'm trying to reinstall anbox but it says I don't have enough space in /v …], I remember I had that problem last time but don't remember how I solved it
 @flaburgan [hello, I'm trying to reinstall anbox but it says I don't have enough space in /v …], are you on devel image? it already has everything needed to set up anbox. just run `anbox-tool install`
 I'm not on `devel` image anymore because I was afraid of the Qt migration regressions. Did the situation stabilize apart from dekko?
 yes it's pretty stable. dekko is the only major issue (and it's almost fixed)
 okay, then I will try to come back on `devel`
 @LoneRanger4 [I've been using Linux exclusively on my personal machines for 14+ years, and the …], lemme tie this back to Ubuntu Touch: if we ever port Ubuntu Touch to the desktop, what would we need? would we need to build system images specifically for specific hardware?
 isnt that normal ubuntu?
[17:49] <Shadowbird2468> I'm planing to get my first linux phone sometime soon. I was wondering if applications work crossed between different distros like Ubuntu Touch and Mobian e.g.?
 @Fuseteam [lemme tie this back to Ubuntu Touch: if we ever port Ubuntu Touch to the desktop …], That's a dubious hypothesis. There's little need for an OS designed to be efficient on and work with phone hardware on "desktop".
 Shadowbird2468 no because everybody has an opinion on what's considered "good"
 Well, "it depends." some applications are able to be recompiled for other platforms but the same binary? probably not.
 Hi folks. Is there a command-line way to check battery charge (in mAh, not in percentage) on a Nexus 5?
 In `/sys/devices/f9923000.i2c/i2c-84/84-0036/power_supply/battery` I can see the original charge by design (2300 mAh) but not the max now.
 @alan_griffiths [That's a dubious hypothesis. There's little need for an OS designed to be effici …], I personally think a phone that will work as my desktop is where it needs to go.  Phones have more than enough computing power to fulfill that role these days.  I had high hopes for "Ubuntu for Android" … https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
[17:58] <ubptgbot> =wzc0uMXGFBY … . … .
 @alan_griffiths [That's a dubious hypothesis. There's little need for an OS designed to be effici …], i mean; we have a desktop mode and the ui designed to be convergent, i think it could work well. aside from traditional package management not being supported
 @LoneRanger4 [I personally think a phone that will work as my desktop is where it needs to go. …], i think to get that we need to get Ubuntu Touch on the regular desktop first, that way more people can port/package applications for ubuntu touch
 especially given that it does not work with traditional package management, at the very least we'd need to recompile packages with the `--prefix=/path/to/some/bind/mounted/folder`flag
 [Edit] especially given that it does not work with traditional package management, at the very least we'd need to recompile packages with the `--prefix=/path/to/some/bind/mounted/folder` flag
 the more i think how to improve the convergent application ecosystem, the more interested i become in attempting to port ubuntu touch to a "desktop" PC, even if just to see how well it stacks up to traditional distros
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[18:06] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @ggio01 [<reply to media>], What the distro?  … And themes?
 @أحد الإخوة [What the distro?  … And themes?], that discussion was moved i think
 @Fuseteam [the more i think how to improve the convergent application ecosystem, the more i …], i mean that was canonical's original dream, one OS to rule them all... this is why we had snaps and ubuntu core,  it was all part of that vision originally
 @PiecerEdd [i mean that was canonical's original dream, one OS to rule them all... this is w …], well yeah, that's why i think UT should also be fully ported to the desktop, not just lomiri
 there's a generic amd64 image. go install it
 @dohbee [there's a generic amd64 image. go install it], there is?
 guess i should look for an ssd or hdd to test it then 🤔
 doesn't work great i guess, but it's there and people have flashed it to laptop or such
 it's not in the installer yet, soooo `dd`?
 what's the driver situation like? has it got a fairly standard linux kernel so it'd be expected to work on a laptop (as long as there's no weirdness/rando drivers needed?)
 well it's built for qemu. so you have to extract the disk image and then write it to a drive, yeah
 i didnt know theres amd64 either, sounds interesting 😁
 ah the qemu image
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-
[18:57] <ubptgbot> ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working intermittently,
[18:57] <ubptgbot>  but I will experiment more.
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], [Edit] Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/com
[18:57] <ubptgbot> munity-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), …  where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working inter
[18:57] <ubptgbot> mittently, but I will experiment more.
 oh cool
 @dohbee [are you on devel image? it already has everything needed to set up anbox. just r …], so now I should use `anbox-tool app-install` instead of adb?
 @flaburgan [so now I should use anbox-tool app-install instead of adb?], i guess either will work
[19:32] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> After installing ubuntu tutch he is stop on logo google  … My phone is nexus 6p
 it didn't work, but adb install works
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <أحد الإخوة> @flaburgan [it didn't work, but adb install works], That for me?
 No for rodney
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/tdDaHFwu.png
 Through it isn't helpful, damn banks
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 @flaburgan [Through it isn't helpful, damn banks], EU? i guess it needs to do things with SIM in secure environment
 Bank apps don't tend to work on android if the bootloader is unlocked, same with services like paypal
 dunno. all mine work fine
 @dohbee [EU? i guess it needs to do things with SIM in secure environment], SIM? It just tries to access the secure keystore I think
 Thats odd, I couldn't use paypal on the opo a few years back when I used android on it, because the bootloader was unlocked
 Some countries' banks use the SIM toolkit, which is a standard that is technically usable on any device with a SIM. But I think most of the world uses the Android Keystore, which is an API provided by Android.
 Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app is running on has not been modified.
 Anbox will never pass SafetyNet
 ```def is_safe(): …     return true```
 It involves cryptography and stuff
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app i …], yeah my bank app won't even run on a rooted android, there used to be a Magisk module that could fake it but even that doesn't work anymore
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app i …], Every single bank app in México uses SafetyNet. So frustrating because they don't even have an web page to manage the money on my accounts. Only through the app. And I like to use UT and on other phone Android without Google Play service
[20:18] <ubptgbot> s.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some banks go further and use Android SafetyNet to ensure the device their app i …], [Edit] Every single bank app in México uses SafetyNet. So frustrating because they don't even have an web page to manage the money on my accounts. Only through the app. And I like to use UT and on other phone I use Android without Google
[20:18] <ubptgbot>  Play services.
 Only solution I found is to use a basic phone with GooglePlay services only for bank apps. Of course that is not ideal and annoying sometimes hehe
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], [Edit] Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/com
[20:26] <ubptgbot> munity-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), … sudo vi /etc/ofono/ril_subscription.conf … [Settings] … #EmptyConfig=false … #Identity=radio:radio … #3GLTEHandover=true
[20:26] <ubptgbot>  … #SetRadioCapability=auto … SetRadioCapability=off … emptyPinQuery=false … radioPowerCycle=false … confirmRadioPowerOn=false … useDataProfiles=true … [ril_0] … transport=binder:name=slot1 … name=slot1 … [ril_1] … transport=binder:name=slot2 … name=slot2 … and main.conf … sudo vi /etc/ofono/main.conf … [ModemManager] … AutoSelectDataSim=always … a
[20:26] <ubptgbot> nd reboot and phone …  where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working intermittently, but I will experiment more.
 @Fuseteam [if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr?], [Edit] Yes, of course. I will be happy to help those who have the same problem. For the build on the Sony Xperia 10 Plus i 4213 smartphone, the mermaid build was very well established via TWRP. The image took the last one from this page (https://gitlab.com/ubports/com
[20:27] <ubptgbot> munity-ports/android9/sony-xperia-10/sony-kirin/-/jobs?scope=finished). After installation, the cellular network does not work, but there is a comment on the link (https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin/14), … sudo mount -o remount,rw / … sudo vi /etc/ofono/ril_subscription.conf … [Settings] … #EmptyConfig=false … #Identity=radi
[20:27] <ubptgbot> o:radio … #3GLTEHandover=true … #SetRadioCapability=auto … SetRadioCapability=off … emptyPinQuery=false … radioPowerCycle=false … confirmRadioPowerOn=false … useDataProfiles=true … [ril_0] … transport=binder:name=slot1 … name=slot1 … [ril_1] … transport=binder:name=slot2 … name=slot2 … and main.conf … sudo vi /etc/ofono/main.conf … [ModemManager] …
[20:27] <ubptgbot>  AutoSelectDataSim=always … and reboot and phone …  where it is indicated which file should be corrected, that both SIM cards have earned. Bluetooth is still working intermittently, but I will experiment more.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Some countries' banks use the SIM toolkit, which is a standard that is technical …], i suppose in the long run UT will need to offer similar API :x
 Hello folks, I'll try again with a different phrasing of my question... is there a way to check if my N5 battery is damaged? I'm thinking about replacing it but I'm not sure if I'll see a significant increase in battery time.
 Alright chaps, could I bring this article to your attention? UBPorts features very prominently: https://www.cyberpunks.com/location-tracking-apps-vs-niche-mobile-operating-systems/ Possibly the most complete actual Ubuntu Touch review ever written.
 IDK why it as Sailfish as a headline image though
 tbf that's a screenshot from Dr Strangelove :P
 @Gorsh2 [Hello folks, I'll try again with a different phrasing of my question... is there …], idk but on N5 don't expect more than a day, depending on your usage
 @lduboeuf [idk but on N5 don't expect more than a day, depending on your usage], It's usually less than that...
 data on, wifi,  video ?
 No, the usual. Data on (3g only, unless I really need LTE speed); wifi only when needed... Little or no video at all.
 iirc, mine was discharged less than a day
 [Edit] iirc, mine was discharged in less than a day
 Any places where i can find yumi stickers as png or gif ?
 You may want to go through the UBPorts forums
 [Edit] You may want to go through the UBports forums
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 there's a yumi png here: https://ubports.com/design-guidelines - no idea if it'ss under any sort of license that would prevent you using it for what you're planning though
 🖖 hope someone knows: can Ubuntu Touch also be installed on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 Pro?
 @Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem [🖖 hope someone knows: can Ubuntu Touch also be installed on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 …], uhhh note 7 yes note 7 pro? not sure
 Will get the non pro to b sure
 @Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem [Will get the non pro to b sure], if you going to get a device please consult devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 installation will be easier with devices supported by the ubports installer
 I did, since the pro and non pro are allmost identical, but pnly the non pro is listed.. anyway, just placed the order
 @Fuseteam [if you going to get a device please consult devices.ubuntu-touch.io], being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it is installable via installer, either, i think
 @dohbee [being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it is installable via installer, eit …], true but that list also show if it is supported by the installer
 @dohbee [being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it is installable via installer, eit …], [Edit] true but that list also shows if it is supported by the installer
 @David [Alright chaps, could I bring this article to your attention? UBPorts features ve …], Very nice and accurate article
[22:15] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> @fredldotme [I wouldn't recommend Halium 9 ports as a daily driver phone as long as it's suff …], I recently grabbed a Pixel3a and have been testing on Bell Canada ... No programming knowledge but comfortable on linux ... Let me know if I can help with debugging?  (I have Mobile 3G data stable, working SMS ...).  On 4G/"L", it cycles
[22:15] <ubptgbot>  on and off quickly (~ every 6 seconds).
 so no UBports team on FOSDEM ?
 [Edit] so no UBports team at FOSDEM ?
 @lduboeuf [so no UBports team at FOSDEM ?], Is FOSDEM going to be in person or just virtual this year?
 virtual it seems
 @Fuseteam [uhhh note 7 yes note 7 pro? not sure], The Note 7 Pro can be flashed with the GSI image but is buggy.  Regular Note 7 is supported by the UBports installer and works better.  http://www.mardy.it/blog/2021/01/ubuntu-touch-porting-notes-for-the-redmi-note-7-pro.html
 @Thecatsarenotwhattheyseem [🖖 hope someone knows: can Ubuntu Touch also be installed on Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 …], The Note 7 Pro can be flashed with the GSI image but is buggy.  Regular Note 7 is supported by the UBports installer and works better.  http://www.mardy.it/blog/2021/01/ubuntu-touch-porting-notes-for-the-redmi-note-7-pro.htm
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 @TronFortyTwo [Very nice and accurate article], I thought so. Thank you very much