[00:09] @drym4rch0n [Speaking of which, I just ordered what I thought was a Nexus 5 and when I got th …], Totally new to this community, and the telegram channel. This post made me realize that I just did the exact same about an hour ago lol. Bought a used nexus 5x, excitedly, thinking it was a nexus 5. [00:58] @trocknet_banan [Totally new to this community, and the telegram channel. This post made me reali …], lol, well at least I'm not the only one [01:03] @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone in the USA saga continues: went to my local AT&T store where on …], it wont have the right bands for tmobile [01:04] Yeah, I think it needs 1700 [01:07] @mateosalta [it wont have the right bands for tmobile], Volla with UT on T-mobile: phone calls currently working and clear; data limited to 2G … Volla with UT on AT&T: phone calls not able to be sent; data all good at 4G/LTE. [01:08] I'm just ordering the f(x)tec Pro X [01:08] @TotalSonic [I am getting clear phone calls with T-mobile on the Volla Phone - but how long t …], im wondering if they are dropping 2g maube just 3g?- the news was that it would be gone on the 29th - but im still able to text [01:09] @UniversalSuperBox [... wait no it doesn't], Oof [01:09] I'm waiting on a pinephone myself [01:10] @mateosalta [im wondering if they are dropping 2g maube just 3g?- the news was that it would …], I don't think they are doing a "cold" shutdown, likely there is potential corporate liability if Emergency calls don't get through from a non-transitioned shutdown - and 2G does not take up much data traffic relative to 3G - so probably the [01:10] y are keeping the 2G going for a little bit. [01:11] @TotalSonic [Volla with UT on T-mobile: phone calls currently working and clear; data limited …], same, i will have to test my att though - it did require manual configuration on my sony, and they need imei entered online [01:11] I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community [01:11] @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], Right? [01:12] if it got 4g, that would be awesome [01:12] @mateosalta [same, i will have to test my att though - it did require manual configuration on …], hmmm, if you can let me know what settings you used so I can test again would be great. Otherwise - seems I need to flash to Volla OS and change my plan to AT&T if I want to actually use it as a daily driver for the present time. [01:12] cool, will try it [01:13] @mateosalta [if it got 4g, that would be awesome], I went into an AT&T store today with my Volla and they let me try one of their SIMS - it got fast LTE from the get go - but could not place a phone call. Meanwhile - I can still place and receive phone calls on the road with my current T-mobile account. [01:14] @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], We do exist!! [01:14] @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], Raises hand (but has only ever actually used a smartphone in America once in the past decade, and also once in his lifetime) [01:15] Besides the carrier dilemma, and the minor notch indicator wonkiness (partly fixed with a few terminal commands) - have to say UT on the Volla is a super pleasure to use. [01:15] @dohbee [Yeah, I think it needs 1700], Then this is encouraging: [01:15] https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/telus-canada [01:16] @UniversalSuperBox [I always forget that there are actually Americans in the community], And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol [01:16] I don't mess with Texas and Texas leaves me alone [01:17] lol [01:17] @TotalSonic [Besides the carrier dilemma, and the minor notch indicator wonkiness (partly fix …], what are you doing with the notch [01:17] @drym4rch0n [And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol], Differences: Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!" — Person insults Florida -> Floridians: "lol, and that's not even the worse, here check this out, you're not going to believe this...." [01:18] @TartanSpartan [https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/telus-canada], I think not [01:18] Why not? [01:18] @mateosalta [what are you doing with the notch], There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax … Simply run the script in this repo as the phablet user: … `wget -O apply-notch-hax.sh https://git.io/JtIpG … chmod +x apply-notch-hax.sh … ./apply-notch-hax.sh` [01:19] @TotalSonic [Differences: Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!" — Person insults Flor …], lol [01:19] @TartanSpartan [Why not?], Villa doesn't do 1700 [01:19] i was trying to hack the qml, make the bar go down a bit further to line up with the notch [01:19] @mateosalta [what are you doing with the notch], [Edit] There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax … Simply run the script in this repo as the phablet user: … `wget -O apply-notch-hax.sh https://git.io/JtIpG` … `chmod +x apply-notch-hax.sh` … `./apply-notch-hax.sh` [01:19] @TotalSonic [There is a fix for the margin display - https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-n …], ooo, cool [01:20] True, but it does 2100, 2600, and 850. [01:20] @dohbee [Villa doesn't do 1700], Volla does 2100, which is not reliably distributed (T-mobile uses 2100 a little bit, but I am not getting it here). Volla also uses 850 (which is what AT&T uses) [01:22] @drym4rch0n [And Texans. A joke you may not get...lol], [Edit] Differences: Person insults Texas -> Texans: "fight me!" — Person insults Florida -> Floridians: "lol, and that's not even the worst, here check this out, you're not going to believe this...." [01:25] (Photo, 369x800) https://irc.ubports.com/JgM5aBri.png Something occurred to me looking at this view for notched phones. [01:25] We have the mobile signal, wifi, volume, battery and time indicators to the right of the notch. [01:26] AbuMubarak1378 was added by: AbuMubarak1378 [01:26] But what happens when you use UTTT to put a battery percentage next to it's indicator (as I find essential to do)? [01:26] Or use a mobile hotspot? Or have two SIMs? Or all three of these together? [01:27] that needs work [01:28] the idea is to have a kind of word wrap spacer somehow [01:28] I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one that wishes the apps back button was reachable with the right hand thumb instead of the top left corner for easier single handed use? [01:29] push ones that are underneath the notch to the other side, it would be complicated [01:29] (Photo, 369x800) https://irc.ubports.com/w6gM9H5H.png Right, because I guess the inference from this "before patch" screenshot is that using two SIMs will cause one's signal strength to be obscured under the notch. [01:31] oh, i also like turning the indicator pannel black it blends with the notch and corners nicely [01:32] (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/WNgHu0p0.png [01:32] Current view with the Volla [01:32] How much difference is between android and ubuntu touch in terms of battery life. Pls some one answer [01:33] @mateosalta [oh, i also like turning the indicator pannel black it blends with the notch and …], Isn't this done by default? [01:33] Whoops - the screenshot doesn't show the notch - doh! [01:33] ^Yeah that threw me for a sec :P [01:34] @TartanSpartan [Isn't this done by default?], systems color is dark grey [01:34] @TotalSonic [], Looking good [01:34] Ahhh. [01:34] Gotcha. [01:35] What's the max number of apps we can pin to the launcher these days? [01:38] GusTavo was added by: GusTavo [01:40] @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], is hard to make a universal back button [01:41] i was thinking we could change the qml on the theme level for uuitk apps - but for everything else it is up to the app [01:42] @TotalSonic [Volla does 2100, which is not reliably distributed (T-mobile uses 2100 a little …], But I think both are required [01:42] @TartanSpartan [What's the max number of apps we can pin to the launcher these days?], There us no max? [01:42] Well, I guess however much RAM you have [01:43] i suppose if it gets slow or crashes lomiri on boot you reached the max ;p [01:46] I thought testing it a couple of years ago it capped out at 10 or 12. That, and/or opening other apps which weren't pinned could mess with those intended to be pinned. [01:48] works fine here [01:49] (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/PTaQijb0.png [01:49] over 20 its fine [01:49] @TartanSpartan [I thought testing it a couple of years ago it capped out at 10 or 12. That, and/ …], It's scrollable [01:50] I guess I'll have to boost my number of pins when my Volla finally arrives! Anticipation is exponential. [01:56] @TotalSonic try out the youtube app, I did some changes for volla, filling the screen fullscreen, and fullscreen button when taping the fingerprint [01:57] I need to try and center the video, or anchor it to bottom instead though [01:57] InvictusBoom was added by: InvictusBoom [01:57] Here's the Volla where you can see the notch and indicator margin fix [01:57] (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/0CBFmNcH.png [01:57] Here's the Volla where you can see the notch and indicator margin fix [01:58] looks good [01:58] That's with battery percentage and Weather Indicator on. [01:59] It obscures the networking indicator. [01:59] [Edit] The notch obscures the Network indicator. [02:00] Pic taken with Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 running UT. It's UT device insanity over here. [02:01] @mateosalta [@TotalSonic try out the youtube app, I did some changes for volla, filling the s …], yeah - the tapping the finger print scanner to engage full screen (and back off) for YouTube Webapp and Morph browser works great. [02:02] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/S34vpOfr.png [02:03] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LP6vWuFh.png [02:03] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kUlVRIDz.webp [02:03] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4Y6ILOm1.webp [02:04] Good photo documentation guys. [02:35] R7 was added by: R7 [03:32] Oshinex was added by: Oshinex [03:42] @Yo5eff [], use TELEports or Webtelegram from the store … maybe that's an unmaintained app? … or maybe you're on a pinephone? [03:58] @Yo5eff [], That doesn't look like teleports [04:01] yeah maybe he's using a pinephone … I just checked and webtelegram has issue with the keyboard … I think is because there's a know issue with the pine devices on scaling of qqc2 and qtwebengine [04:41] Hello everyone. Tell me why when I try to write saves to the ril_subscription.conf file from under root in the terminal, the terminal gives me a save error, because the file system is read-only. How can I write the saves to a file? [04:44] yuzhangren2020 was added by: yuzhangren2020 [05:27] @Yo5eff [Tried now. It closes by itself after a few minutes 😁], eh? [05:33] @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], its an open problem yeah [05:37] @Javacookies [use TELEports or Webtelegram from the store … maybe that's an unmaintained app? … or …], I was using Telegram Web. Then installed TELEports and it was closing by itself , but now it seems to be holding without closing. It's an Samsung Note 4 [05:37] @DennoGram [Hello everyone. Tell me why when I try to write saves to the ril_subscription.co …], hi, please keep in mind that changes to the rootfs will be overwritten on update, with that out of the way you can remount rootfs as rw to test changes directly on the phone [05:38] @mateosalta [That doesn't look like teleports], No, that was Telegram Web [05:40] (Photo, 1280x1198) https://irc.ubports.com/AuTKoPVB.png [05:41] Webtelegram seems to be the most decent web version of telegram in the store. Content hub also works on it though like I mentioned, it has scaling issue on the pinephone [05:42] I'll be testing a lot of stuff for sure - at least the tools i'll be needing. What is the best way to reinstall UT in case something breaks up badly? From recovery? [05:44] as long as you don't modify the rootfs, i don't think you can break it that easily xD [05:48] installer if it's not booting … if you just want to refresh your root, you can switch channels on the device [05:50] or ssh in a system-image-cli it iiuc [05:50] oh yeah, another option [05:50] [Edit] or ssh in a `system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots` it iiuc [05:51] and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps shouldn't need such a reset [05:51] @Fuseteam [as long as you don't modify the rootfs, i don't think you can break it that easi …], Yup. Ubuntu is usually strong... On my computers been doing stuff that would make me have to reinstall windows at least a few times... And computers had broke - change disk to another one and still working 😂 … Also was a great thing to install [05:51] on family & friends laptops. Rarely they now need assistance [05:51] [Edit] and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps installs shouldn't need such a reset [05:52] yeah tis great especially if they aren't too dependant on certain software [05:53] @Javacookies [installer if it's not booting … if you just want to refresh your root, you can swi …], UBports installer can handle it without the need to reinstall android first? I only can get connection to PC if i boot in recovery mode... [05:54] yes it can [05:56] @Fuseteam [and that's only if you modify the rootfs, apps installs shouldn't need such a re …], I try to avoid doing "dumb things" , but sometimes, specially when going "first steps" to learn how to use, things go wrong... Many years ago, i had to reinstall windows 95 3 times in first month i had first PC... That thing was "fragile" 😂 [05:58] one thing i like about ubuntu touch is that the "system files" sizes is guarenteed to not be more than— [05:58] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Gd1W9p3R.png [05:58] wait 3.5? eh? o.O [06:00] that doesn't seem right 🤔 [06:10] @Fuseteam [hi, please keep in mind that changes to the rootfs will be overwritten on update …], thank you, everything worked out [06:17] Can i use anbox in redmi note 7 aka lavender? [06:21] @Fuseteam [yes it can], Can someone with a Samsung Note 4 tell me if it connects with computer when turned on? Just to make sure it is not just in mine that i have that problem... [07:02] @Fuseteam [one thing i like about ubuntu touch is that the "system files" sizes is guarente …], The calculations are a bit wrong yes ;) [07:48] @TotalSonic [What is ironic is T-mobile is supposedly doing the transition to VoLTE only alre …], According to AT&T, their 3G/2G stays up until Feb 1, 2022 for existing pre-paid customers with a 3G handset. New accounts and Post-paid have been denied or getting kicked off since Jan 19 2021. Anyone not on their whitelist is getting [07:48] kicked off, as is the fate of the pinephone. They have not made it clear if they will allow devices back on as data devices. … Put in an AT&T sim and it will work for a few minutes. Then you'll get a text message saying you do not have a compatible HD Voice device. Access denied, click this link for details... I've gotten it, so have others [07:49] As of this moment, T-mobile's 3G network is still up, with no explanation from T-Mobile. So, yes, it's just speculation, but maybe they blinked [07:55] What a waste of resources. Imagine the pile of electronic garbage being dumped right now [08:14] Tragic waste. I donated my Nexus 5 to another member, and have a box of devices to send to recycling. And a box, of Samsung's I haven't five through yet. All rejects customers didn't want because of this. Mostly, all functional otherwise [08:14] [Edit] Tragic waste. I donated my Nexus 5 to another member, and have a box of devices to send to recycling. And a box, of Samsung's I haven't gone through yet. All rejects customers didn't want because of this. Mostly, all functional otherwise [08:21] We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way around this problem - pretty please @Cibersheep [08:23] Google Voice for web works as an alternative. But you'll only get notifications when the window is open and screen on - no web push for Morph [08:23] I had a good, and cheap, VoIP solution if linphone was available for 64bit [08:24] https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep [08:24] VoIP.ms is a good option [08:28] @rocket2nfinity [VoIP.ms is a good option], Thanks for the linkm Yeah - the lack of ringing unless phone is active is a problem, but better than having just a data only device. [08:28] @rocket2nfinity [VoIP.ms is a good option], [Edit] Thanks for the link! Yeah - the lack of ringing unless phone is active is a problem, but better than having just a data only device. [08:32] T-Mobile has clarified that they will let your device stay on as a data only device as long as it can do LTE data. From the complaints online, AT&T likely will not. And no, Cricket won't help. I've seen half a dozen complaints of being cut off with various devices capable of VoLTE but not on the list. [08:59] @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has clarified that they will let your device stay on as a data only dev …], Well, looks like I need to convert my Volla to Volla OS, and change plans to AT&T, if I want to actually use it as a daily driver, rather than just a tinkerer's device. But UT is really my preferred mobile OS, by far. [09:01] Trying to decide the same with my N6P. I have others for daily drivers. Just would like to totally switch over to UT. I really dislike android 10 [09:03] I've had the option to buy a OnePlus6T for a while now, but don't want to take it if the port for it doesn't improve to include network and audio [09:12] Themetaleye was added by: Themetaleye [09:18] Can I ask, since Ubuntu touch is "promoted" as a privacy friendly system. What is the difference between UT and Lineage? (Using encryption, no root, no gms, anti ultrasound bacon, no sensors(software), tor, and FOSS apps without trakers only.....). Does it have any battery usage or privacy or security advantage? [09:24] @Themetaleye [Can I ask, since Ubuntu touch is "promoted" as a privacy friendly system. What i …], Absolutely no data is sent to Google whereas even with ungoogled android it is [09:37] Hello, is there support for VoLTE and VoWiFi for the LGE Nexus 5? Im running ubuntu 16.04 [09:39] So basically its lineageos with full linux shell and apps, am I right? [09:40] I hope I'll be able to help soon. This project is like when cm came out, revolutionary [09:41] @TotalSonic [We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way aroun …], Indeed … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/compile-linphone-ubuntu-touch/-/merge_requests/2 [10:05] @drym4rch0n [lol, well at least I'm not the only one], seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is this futile and one should rather use it for experimenting with AOSP roms? [10:35] derkotanImigos_oybi was added by: derkotanImigos_oybi [10:36] @hafedh [Hello, is there support for VoLTE and VoWiFi for the LGE Nexus 5? Im running ubu …], No,there is not yet support for those protocols on UT yet,except for devices like the PinePhone, but there are efforts to enable it - although I am fairly sure the Nexus5 cannot be supported for those. [10:36] @trocknet_banan [seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is t …], Nexus 5x is not supported for UT, only Nexus 5. [10:37] Too bad😢, guess need to find a newer phone that supports UT protocols [10:39] @cibersheep [Indeed … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/compile-linphone-ubuntu-touch/-/merge …], Sorry for my ignorance, are these open issues, or is it possible to build this if one has the ability at this point? [10:41] @TotalSonic [Nexus 5x is not supported for UT, only Nexus 5.], thank you for elaborating! would you know what would happen if I just flashed a nexus 5x with ubports anyhow? I read somewhere that there's a similar problem for the nexus 6P as for the 5x but that 6P does seem to work with ubports meanwhile - is there any hope I could [10:41] still make it work? :D (sorry for the extreme n00b questions) [10:44] @trocknet_banan [thank you for elaborating! would you know what would happen if I just flashed a …], The image for Nexus 5 will NOT work on Nexus 5X - you will be unable to boot an os - they are different devices internally. Nexus 6P has a port that is a work in progress though. [10:45] @TotalSonic [The image for Nexus 5 will NOT work on Nexus 5X - you will be unable to boot an …], I see, I see.. bummer x) - thanks a lot for the information! [10:45] Unfortunately the Nexus 5X hit big barriers in efforts to port it, and I am fairly certain will never be supported [10:47] @TotalSonic [Sorry for my ignorance, are these open issues, or is it possible to build this i …], This member of the community was working trying to make the libs build. … We could use some help to finish it [10:48] @rocket2nfinity [According to AT&T, their 3G/2G stays up until Feb 1, 2022 for existing pre-paid …], i do prepaid [10:49] @cibersheep [This member of the community was working trying to make the libs build. … We could …], I wish I could help but sadly lack the ability. I am glad to donate to bounties if that can help though [10:50] @mateosalta [i do prepaid], Seems they are not allowing people to activate new 3G dependent accounts though. [10:51] ah, well guess i got in on time before that [11:14] @TotalSonic [I wish I could help but sadly lack the ability. I am glad to donate to bounties …], I understand. Thank you [11:53] Woooow! https://bit.ly/39BN9z1 … Musk posted about bitcoin … 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 [11:54] mhkarimi83 was added by: mhkarimi83 [11:55] Hello … I want ubuntu touch for galaxy note 5 … Please help me … TNX [13:06] @mhkarimi83 [Hello … I want ubuntu touch for galaxy note 5 … Please help me … TNX], http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html [13:06] @TotalSonic [http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubport …], Note 5 has no gsi support [13:08] @mhkarimi83 [Note 5 has no gsi support], Best to ask at https://t.me/ubports_porting [13:08] Thanks [13:51] AT0M0S was added by: AT0M0S [14:05] @DennoGram [thank you, everything worked out], if it works, and it fixes some issue, maybe submit a pr? [14:05] @Flohack [The calculations are a bit wrong yes ;)], how does it calculate it anyway? [14:07] @TotalSonic [We really could use an arm64 build of Linphone right now as a possible way aroun …], https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/linphone-simple/-/issues/49 [14:07] @Fuseteam [how does it calculate it anyway?], I dont know but what it should do is: … - Retrieve size of sd storage (total storage) … - Retrieve size of cache + system partition => Call it "system reserved" … - Retrieve size of all Ubuntu files in data partition => "Occupied by Ubuntu Touch" … - retrieve all other sizes [14:08] The actual result does not cater for system and cache partiton being not usable for the user [14:12] ah i see guess that's another thing to look into for my bucket list thanks [14:13] [Edit] ah i see guess that's another thing(#storageusage) to look into for my bucket list thanks [14:16] @trocknet_banan [seriously lol, sigh! do you still plan on using the nexus 5x for ubports or is t …], Futile according to Dalton. I'm just going to put LineageOS on it and stick it back on ebay. [14:20] According to legends many have attempted to port, none of succeeded. the nexus 5x is truly the dragon of the Ubuntu Touch world [14:21] hmmm looks like these hashtags are client specific 🤔 [14:22] @Themetaleye [So basically its lineageos with full linux shell and apps, am I right?], No. It is not android at all in that sense. You can't run android apps. The AOSP part we use where needed is very minimal (no Java stuff) to use the proprietary drivers necessary to have working hardware on those devices. It is run in a container. And a [14:22] GNU/Linux system is run on top, using a compatibility library where needed, to talk to Android HAL. Ubuntu Touch is also not a traditional linux distro, so don't expect to use it like you would use Ubuntu on your PC either. [14:40] @dohbee [No. It is not android at all in that sense. You can't run android apps. The AOSP …], Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was hoping to have some non proprietary drivers for socs in future [14:42] @Themetaleye [Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was h …], if you want only open drivers, look at Pinephone perhaps. It does not use any android parts at all. And no, even in the future, Ubuntu Touch is not a traditional distribution, even when it can be installed on traditional PC hardware. [14:43] @Themetaleye [Not even in future? Can't it run on desktop like any other linux distro? I was h …], android apps may work with anbox but it will be limited and not everything is guarentee to work, Ubuntu Touch has not been ported for the desktop yet, and as rodney says it will still have a readonly rootfs, apt will still not be supported [14:45] @drym4rch0n [I'm new, so ignore this if theres a good reason for it, but am I the only one th …], ha ha no only one...but [14:45] @TartanSpartan [], These notches are just all sort of sad aren't they, it bugs me that you even need to work on this, BAN THE NOTCH [14:49] @Bharatwaj.S [How much difference is between android and ubuntu touch in terms of battery life …], It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 min. [14:50] @Ted Rendol [It is difficult to be precise depending on many factors but by feeling about 30 …], eh? i can run ubuntu touch an entire week without charging and minimal use xD [14:51] I think UT can be better on standy battery but can be a bit worse on actual use [14:52] @PiecerEdd [These notches are just all sort of sad aren't they, it bugs me that you even nee …], sadly, the next UT devices will mostly have the notch since phones has it for the past like 3 years? [14:53] ban the notching by moving the top edge down :p [14:53] I think that's really the easiest and simplest way to handle it [14:54] yeah probably the simplest, not sure about it being the easiest tho [14:56] well it's definitely easier than putting complicated logic which may complicate future developments as well [14:57] yeah but how do we actually move the top edge? what does that involve? [14:58] I understood thank you 🙏😉✌️ [14:58] it's not just the top notch that's a problem [14:59] the rounded corners as well [14:59]