[00:02] <Bashing-om> abesab: See too: ' apt depends ubuntu-gnome-desktop ' .
[00:30] <|izzie> hello all... ubuntu 20.04 doesn't recognize my printer.  Can someone help, please
[00:33] <krytarik> abesab: Yes, you are right on both accounts, the latter of which is also why the 'gnome' variant of it at the time was made a metapackage that depends on the 'ubuntu' one - the dedicated Gnome flavor of Ubuntu was ceased then.  So I'd just install 'ubuntu-desktop' now and be done.
[00:38] <jayjo> I have a webcam that after an extended period of time, sometimes about 24 hours but it varies, the webcam becomes unavailable to webrtc clients and to things like "cheese" for testing. After a restart it works OK. Is there a way to look into why the device is not found after a certain period of time? Are all webcams of a certain character devices handled by a certain tool or kernel driver to start looking?
[00:45] <jayjo> it shows up in `lsusb` whether or not it's usable or not
[01:20] <kinghat> has anyone worked with refined or clover boot managers to get nvme support on older devices?
[01:23] <kinghat> you basically just add nvme drivers to the bootloader so you can boot from nvme drive, but why cant you add that to ubuntu?
[01:24] <kinghat> or is it because since the bios doesnt support it you need to use the bootloader w/nvme support to jump start the ubuntu boot?
[01:46] <wr> does 20.10 have a mini iso?
[01:53] <sybariten> does ubuntu (or lubuntu) typically do automount of USB devices? I'm talking mounting it all by itself without me touching the desktop, but after having inserted the stick/drive
[01:53] <Bashing-om> wr: So far i have found: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/20.10/ - https://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ :D should I keep looking for you ?
[01:53] <sybariten> cause i see the partitions with "mount", but i didnt explicitly do anything. And they seem to have a mountpoint under /media/
[01:56] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Yes - see: ' man gvfs-mount ' .
[01:57] <Ares_Exe> In RH I can use podman generate systemd to generate a file that I can run through systemd, is there something similar under ubuntu with docker?
[01:57] <sybariten> Bashing-om: ah. OK, hm. thanks. Actually i would like to unmount everything thats automounted then...
[01:58] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Never done it - but I bet there is a udev rule that will do that.
[01:59] <sybariten> aha aha
[02:00] <wr> Bashing-om, those links above 1GB
[02:01] <sybariten> Bashing-om: they are mounted under /media/lubuntu/ and i'm guessing that the "lubuntu" there is a user and not an OS name? Cause i also have a user with that name. It was what i entered the desktop with, but i'm loggin in over ssh with another user now. And that user doesnt seem to easily access the things that were automounted then
[02:04] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Security - in that no other can access another's files. You can change those ownerships however.
[02:24] <sybariten> Bashing-om: yeah i think i'll just manually umount a list of devices (partitions) that i get through some hack of a script
[02:25] <sybariten> or is there a log of what was automounted, that i can look directly at?  programmatically
[02:35] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Maybe look in /var/log/auth.log.1 ?
[02:43] <sybariten> Bashing-om: hmmm good suggestion but i think i only see the mount of the original usb disk i booted from
[02:44] <sybariten> not disks i have connected afterwards
[02:45] <Bashing-om> sybariten: grep the syslog ?
[02:58] <sybariten> Bashing-om: yep, there is some hint there, for sure. thanks. Interestingly enough, what i can see by looking for "mounts" of *sd* , is only the unmounts. However, these devices has also been mounted again after that, but then i think i only see references to the mount points. If you understand.
[02:59] <sybariten> like this. seems to be using the "Started Clean" for a mounting process, because this is exactly at the time it was inserted i think.        Feb  1 01:02:22 lubuntu systemd[1]: Started Clean the /media/lubuntu/F6E6-8BFF mount point.
[02:59] <sybariten> F6E6blabla is then the name of the drive/mountpoint
[03:02] <Bashing-om> sybariten: the UUID F6E6-8BFF is indicative of a Windows file system - might get a bit more complex to mess about with under a linux system.
[03:03] <sybariten> well no, its... fine... the aim here is only to find the device names (for instance /dev/sdf1) of things that have been automounted, and unmount them
[03:06] <sybariten> i'll ask in #linux too and then ill hit the sack. Thanks for now!
[03:41] <Lutin> Why does ubuntu change a netplan yaml when I clone a disk ?
[03:42] <Lutin> Because UUID changed or so ?
[03:42] <Lutin> I have seen that more often and such change is weird to me
[03:46] <Lutin> aha I see
[03:46] <Lutin> the clone is a snapshot
[03:47] <fdelacruz> i just installed ubuntu and the firt ssh i get Permission denied (publickey).
[03:48] <fdelacruz> removed and one server with the same ip from known_hosts to no avail
[03:49] <fdelacruz> it just adds the new server ip but denies me access
[04:12] <fdelacruz> why am i getting denied from my new local server?
[04:12] <fdelacruz> what can i change on the client cause i have no access to the server yet
[04:26] <deltab> fdelacruz: it's been configured to expect publickey login, and you didn't provide the corresponding private key
[04:27] <dabblerdude> Hey everyone.
[04:27] <dabblerdude> How's it going?
[04:28] <deltab> fdelacruz: run ssh -i with the private key file, or run ssh-agent, run its output, and ssh-add the key file
[04:29] <fdelacruz> deltab: that wont affect my other keys
[04:29] <fdelacruz> github mainly
[04:34] <deltab> fdelacruz: oh, if you already have an ssh-agent running, you can just add to that
[04:40] <fdelacruz> deltab: this is all from my mac
[04:41] <fdelacruz> i have no access to my ubuntu server
[04:41] <deltab> how did you set it up?
[04:46] <fdelacruz> ssh -i with my private key did yield any good new
[04:47] <fdelacruz> deltab: on a RP4
[04:48] <fdelacruz> tried a couple of other linuxes and this is the only giving me a headache
[04:48] <fdelacruz> i guess its secured
[04:48] <fdelacruz> but no word of it in the guides
[04:50] <deltab> fdelacruz: how did you get the image that's installed?
[04:53] <fdelacruz> deltab: i got it from raspberrypi.org
[04:54] <TJ-> fdelacruz: did you enable the ssh server ?
[04:55] <fdelacruz> TJ-: i havent been able to login once
[04:55] <TJ-> fdelacruz: as in https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[04:55] <TJ-> fdelacruz: see "2. Enable SSH"
[04:56] <TJ-> fdelacruz: or maybe you need to do 3
[04:58] <treats68> Anyone know any secrets to fixing a mic that has perpetual low.  If I'm yelling at my computer, on playback it's barely audible.
[04:59] <treats68> I've tried all the various inputs and used pavucontrol.
[05:02] <fdelacruz> TJ-: i just tried 3
[05:02] <fdelacruz> earlier followed this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9lH4R_TSrs
[05:03] <fdelacruz> didnt know that 4hrs later id be stil at it
[05:03] <deltab> fdelacruz: your options are to turn on password login by editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config, or to put your public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[05:04] <fdelacruz> deltab: the content of my id_rsa.pub
[05:05] <deltab> fdelacruz: yes
[05:05] <deltab> a line starting "ssh-rsa AAA..."
[05:07] <fdelacruz> deltab: no cigar
[05:07] <fdelacruz> i wonder if this is a mac thing
[05:09] <deltab> fdelacruz: it's a your-server thing: it's configured to require a key, so you have to give it a key
[05:09] <fdelacruz> right which key?
[05:09] <fdelacruz> its configured like that by default
[05:09] <deltab> so who configured it?
[05:10] <fdelacruz> i just installed it
[05:10] <fdelacruz> ubuntu??
[05:10] <fdelacruz> this is a headless install btw
[05:11] <deltab> well I don't know how you got into this situation, but you'll need to edit one of those two files, or overwrite the whole image
[05:12] <deltab> did you give a public key when you installed it?
[05:13] <fdelacruz> no
[05:13] <deltab> could someone else have logged into it first?
[05:13] <fdelacruz> i flashed the microSD card and that was it
[05:14] <fdelacruz> put it inside teh RP4
[05:15] <deltab> I can only suggest doing that again then
[05:18] <fdelacruz> deltab: thanks
[05:49] <ASDX> is there a some good doco on what's required for 'autoinstall'? or some way to verify your user-data file before attempting an install?
[08:22] <wiiw> I use fvwm, how to auto getFocus when launch a program ?
[08:27] <Hash> In order to do disk passthrough, do you have to start vbox as root? I created a vmdk using -rawimage as sudo, and when I try to load the vmdk in virtualbox, it says no permission or something. What should one do in this situation? Start vbox as root or is there a setting which allows disk passthrough as user?
[09:25] <damaltor> hi all
[09:40] <deltab> Hash: if it's running as a different user, you could allow that user access using chmod, chown, or setfacl
[09:42] <Hash> deltab: I added the user to the 'disk' group
[09:43] <Hash> Thank you
[09:43] <Hash> I think I got it so far. Will test more tomorrow
[10:42] <loru> Hello everyone. On the latest 20.04 freshly updated, rebooted my server, "unknown filesystem btrfs" for my /home, I'm left out lol. Do you guys have an idea? I'm on kernel "5.4.0-65-generic #73-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 18 17:25:17 UTC 2021", if that helps
[10:48] <ripper> according to this page              https://askubuntu.com/questions/1237337/how-to-install-ldoce5-viewer-on-ubuntu-20-04-64-bit
[10:48] <loru> fixed with a modprobe, will add it at boot
[10:48] <loru> cheers guys
[10:48] <loru> <3
[10:49] <ripper> i have problem with the sound part
[10:49] <ripper> appsrc.emit('push-buffer', Gst.Buffer.new_wrapped(self._data[:size].data()))
[10:50] <ripper> could you please help me ?
[10:50] <ripper> the buffer doesn't play sound
[10:50] <ripper> i have aoss file installed too
[10:51] <ripper> Do you know how to set the script to play sounds with aoss not buffer?
[10:58] <Monotoko> if I want to modify my sources, am I still okay modifying sources.list directly or is there something else these days? (I'm working off 10 year old knowledge...)
[11:04] <lotus|NUC> !sources | Monotoko
[11:05] <Monotoko> Thanks, for some reason the default setup is going to cn.archive.ubuntu.org which points to us.archive.ubuntu.org and is *very slow* in China
[11:05] <Monotoko> I've just switched it to a local mirror...
[11:06] <cbreak> maybe the great firewall's out of capacity, blocking all the Tibet or Taiwan news
[11:07] <Monotoko> oh, it's always been very slow downloading anything from outside... it's a delibrate annoyance
[11:07] <cbreak> if you verify hashes / signatures, then local mirrors should be fine.
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> Monotoko: could it be your side, like router/firewall/vpn/proxy?
[11:07] <cbreak> as far as data integrity goes
[11:08] <Monotoko> lotuspsychje: I've moved a few times and it's been like this for years, no VPN on right now... I've got about 700mb of updates
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Monotoko: if you sure its not your side you could ask for known issues at the #ubuntu-mirrors crew
[11:09] <Monotoko> sure, I can put in a report
[11:10] <ASDX> is there a some good doco on what's required for 'autoinstall'? or some way to verify your user-data file before attempting an install?
[11:14] <ripper> Does the {http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu} repository harmful to be in my repository list and get update?
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> ripper: what are you trying to do exactly?
[11:17] <ripper> I think i've been adding it by downloading some softwares before and today i suddenly noticed it in my udate repository list.so i just want to know if it is normal to have it there or not?
[11:18] <ripper> update*
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> ripper: see the reccomended ubuntu sources on the factoid above ^^
[11:32] <ripper> lotuspsychje: i found it.I've added it when i wanted to install python.Do i still need it in my source list to be updated to get the python packages or not?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> ripper: before you add other sources, use apt-cache search foo to see if it lists your favorite package
[11:33] <ripper> ok
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> ripper: usualy we dont reccomend adding external sources or ppa's then the default ones
[11:38] <ripper> i see.thanks
[11:39] <damaltor>  
[11:39] <ripper> i'm affraid of being installed other packages from that ppa
[11:40] <ripper> without i know
[11:44] <EriC^^> ripper: that repo is supposed to be used to update EOL ubuntu
[11:44] <EriC^^> if you have to use it to download something old i'd remove it from the sources.list just in case
[11:45] <ThinkT510> ripper: python is a very important component of the base system in ubuntu. You really don't want to be changing the version. A lot of things will very likely break.
[11:47] <ripper> ThinkT510: i see.but i've needed to use this package by the way.https://askubuntu.com/questions/1312070/sound-issue-of-ldoce5-viewer-written-in-python3-using-gstreamer
[11:51] <ripper> i've needed it as an old dependencies to install and use that package
[11:51] <ThinkT510> ripper: looks like ldoce5 hasn't seen any development since 2018. If it is using python2 then you are better off looking for an alternative.
[11:55] <ThinkT510> ripper: looks like the 2018 commit was a simple fix, the rest of the commits seem to be from 7 years ago. I think it is an abandoned project.
[11:56] <ripper> ThinkT510:Do you mean the python2 will cause some instability in system?
[11:58] <ThinkT510> ripper: python2 is end of life, any software written in python2 will need to be ported to python3. I guess a lot of software in python2 is going to get abandoned due to lack of use.
[11:58] <ripper> i see
[12:06] <Younder> I just install Ubuntu 20.10 on  a 8Gb raspi 4. Found there are almost no snaps because the desktop version is so new. The command line utilities are much more complete as the Ubuntu server version has been around for some time.
[12:07] <Younder> Anyhow manage to install visual studio code and compile it from source. Any good recipe on how to make it into a snap?
[12:11] <oerheks> VS-code is amd64 only??? https://snapcraft.io/code
[12:39] <Younder> oerheks, yes. Ubuntu take 4 Gb to run and there seems no reason to make a arm32 version.
[12:42] <Younder> oerheks, VSC is written in javascript which is portable. The UI is blink engine which is ported to arm. The real problem is it needs python 2 which you need to download on 20.10. Also some clash between nodejs and the packages yarn download need to be untangled.
[12:43] <Younder> blink-engine is in chromium, opera etc
[12:46] <oerheks> python2 is EOL, so i guess you want to use the version from https://code.visualstudio.com/download
[12:46] <oerheks> good luck with that
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:37] <slingamn> i'm trying to find reverse dependencies of a package in hirsute
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> slingamn: apt policy packagename is what you need?
[13:40] <slingamn> hmm, i don't actually have hirsute installed
[13:40] <slingamn> i'm trying to get this information from a website or something
[13:44] <oerheks> slingamn,  so check out launchpad + package + hirsute?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[13:45] <slingamn> i'm having trouble finding that information on either launchpad or packages.ubuntu.com
[13:47] <oerheks> yes?
[13:47] <oerheks> we have trouble finding out what package
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> whats the magical package name slingamn
[13:48] <slingamn> python3-requests
[13:48] <slingamn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute/amd64/python3-requests
[13:49] <slingamn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/python3-requests
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> !info python3-requests hirsute
[13:50] <Hamidreza> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/msz9trzTSB/'
[13:51] <Hamidreza> I would appreciate if you help me on : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/msz9trzTSB/
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> no crosspost please Hamidreza
[13:51] <Hamidreza> lotuspsychje, I'm sorry I just update it
[13:54] <oerheks> apt-cache rdepends <package>
[13:55] <BluesKaj> hirsute is actually valid, it's just not an official release OS atm, still under development
[13:57] <random_programme> Hi, I am trying to ssh into an Ubuntu VM and I am getting this error -
[13:57] <random_programme> connect to host *IP* port 22: Network is unreachable
[13:57] <random_programme> Does this mean that the VM is down or does it mean that the VM has crashed? Can theVM be restored if it’s the latter?
[13:58] <oerheks> I would question the host, \ random_programme
[13:58] <oerheks> did ssh work before?
[13:59] <random_programme> oerheks ssh was working before and I was running a command in the VM before the connection timed out. And from then on, I couldn't ssh into it again
[14:25] <leftyfb> random_programme: can you ping it?
[14:38] <svct> Hello, I have libx264-155 package preinstalled and I have a program which needs an older version libx264-152, should I uninstall the 155 version and then install the 152 or leave the 155 installed? I just don't want to break anything in case it's a dependency for a lot of things or smth
[14:41] <drzacek> Hello there
[14:42] <svct> hi
[14:42] <drzacek> so I have some pendrive-distro here with, what looks like, ubuntu system
[14:42] <drzacek> trying to get python3 via apt install shows, that only python3.5 is available, which is a bit too old
[14:43] <drzacek> so could any of you kind sirs explain to me how do I tweak the sources.list to get the current "stable"?
[14:43] <drzacek> apparently the debian versioning scheme with "stable/testing/unstable" doesn't work here
[14:45] <drzacek> http://paste.debian.net/1183580/ where "stable" is, was "xenial" or something before
[14:46] <svct> you can download the latest python3 from their website https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-391/
[14:47] <drzacek> sure, but I assume everything here is a bit out of date
[14:48] <svct> wdym?
[14:48] <drzacek> on the system I am on right now
[14:48] <svct> ooh
[14:48] <drzacek> I just want to dist-upgrade
[14:48] <svct> sorry I can't help then
[14:48] <drzacek> but don't know what codename I need to put in sources.list
[14:48] <drzacek> k
[14:53] <Maik> drzacek: create a new pendrive install with the latest LTS (20.04 focal)?
[14:54] <drzacek> would rather not
[14:54] <TJ-> drzacek: altering sources.list isn't a good way to release-upgrade. Should use "release-upgrade" tool itself
[14:54] <drzacek> any issues with upgrading from older version?
[14:54] <drzacek> release-upgrade? what's that
[14:54] <TJ-> drzacek: best would be to reset sources.list to the matching entries, then use "do-release-upgrade"
[14:55] <drzacek> keep in mind those are my first 10 minutes on ubuntu
[14:55] <TJ-> drzacek: you can discover the actual installed release with "cat /etc/lsb-release"
[14:56] <drzacek> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS"
[14:56] <SneakyNick> Hello everyone. I hope you're enjoying life.
[14:57] <SneakyNick> I'm one of those who still suffers from post traumatic stress following canonicals decision to abort unity.
[14:58] <TJ-> drzacek: this may give you some more understanding: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/upgrade-introduction
[14:58] <leftyfb> !ot | SneakyNick
[14:58] <svct> you can still use unity tho SneakyNick
[14:58] <svct> oh
[14:58] <drzacek> TJ-, thanks
[15:02] <SneakyNick> okay. I have an issue. I can't load UEFI Firmware setup. I have tried ALL the usual approached. And I have never had this problem before. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu using an UEFI boot menu, not grub. In the menu I got 'setup' as one of the options. When I select it, the system respons as if I'm clicking on a broken link.
[15:02] <SneakyNick> I have tried Lenovo forum, but without any responses so far: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-Yoga-Series-Notebooks/UEFI-firmware-setup-not-loading-even-when-using-novo-button/m-p/5063632
[15:03] <Roey> hi
[15:04] <SneakyNick> It's a strange issue. Do you understand? It's as if you select 'setup' but it simply won't load.
[15:04] <Roey> None of my Bluetooth output devices appear to be able to pair successfully with my computer..  pavucontrol only says "Establishing connection to PulseAudio.. please wait"
[15:04] <Roey> hi stoo SneakyNick
[15:04] <Roey> *hi too
[15:05] <SneakyNick> Anyone got ANY suggestions for where I should be looking for troubleshooting? My own suggestion is virtualbox. Thinking something related to Secure Boot might affect. Pure speculation.
[15:06] <drzacek> have you checked in bios if the secureboot thingy is active?
[15:06] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: what does virtalbox have to do with your dual boot issue?
[15:08] <TJ-> SneakyNick: have you tried a complete cold power-off on in case it clear some broken state that is retained during a warm boot
[15:09] <SneakyNick> the issue is about UEFI setup not being available even when selected, that it won't load. My mentioning of Virtualbox is pure speculation, nothing worth attention if you got another suggestion.
[15:10] <SneakyNick> I have ofc tried to power off. But you are maybe talking about removing battery?
[15:12] <SneakyNick> Battery is physically unavailable, but I have turned it completely off, several times.
[15:14] <SneakyNick> This is the weirdest problem I have ever encountered.
[15:18] <SneakyNick> The reason I mentioned Virtualbox at all, is because installing it in Ubuntu triggered some Secure Boot software, which prompted me to enter a password which I afterwards had to verify upon next boot. I have no rational reason for it to be significant other than it be an interaction between OS and UEFI.
[15:21] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: virtualbox was probably complaining that virtualisation wasn't enabled in the bios
[15:22] <SneakyNick> I'm fantasizing Virtualbox may alter a switch in UEFI or similarly. Pure speculation. As far as I am aware, the setup software is stored in NVRAM (chip, not hard drive) but the boot screen upon where I select 'setup' is stored at the UEFI partition. I don't know, but perhaps the UEFI partition is altered. I certainly hope not the NVRAM has been changed. Don't think it's likely, but I don't know - at all.
[15:24] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: virtualbox requires kernel modules to be installed. if you had secure boot enabled then that would change the signature of the kernel hence why it asked you too reboot
[15:25] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: https://askubuntu.com/a/831241/1151311
[15:25] <ThinkT510> secureboot and enabling virtualisation are the only 2 things that would touch your bios
[15:29] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: i think you can load the firmware from grub if you can access that
[15:30] <EriC^^> if you run "fwsetup" in the grub command line
[15:31] <SneakyNick> well, I don't have grub. But I suppose I could install it.
[15:32] <SneakyNick> unless i do have it, unsure how it would be in a single boot system, which is what i suppose ubuntu is looking at since uefi handles booting.
[15:37] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: does F12 not work on the lenovo? isnt that for one-time boot menu
[15:38] <chalcedny> Hi, I'm still trying to fix my husband's computer.  https://pastebin.com/nNmQeVFn
[15:39] <SneakyNick> My grub file got GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 but still, no grub menu is present during boot.
[15:40] <TJ-> SneakyNick: it sounds like somehow, the Lenovo has got corrupted NVRMA if the firmware Setup option has broken
[15:40] <TJ-> SneakyNick: by default the menu is hidden ... tap Esc key to see the menu
[15:40] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: try holding shift when the pc boots
[15:40] <TJ-> (first thing I enable is  GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="menu"
[15:41] <SneakyNick> yeah i'll hold shift. Wish me good luck i'll be back.
[15:41] <TJ-> GRUB can't detect shift toggle when doing UEFI - UEFI only reports key-down/key-up not toggle key status (Shift/Ctrl/Alt) hence using Esc
[15:42] <fdelacruz> deltab: i figured out what was the problem
[15:43] <fdelacruz> i had misconfigure the network-config
[15:43] <fdelacruz> my access point to be exact
[15:55] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: so you can boot to the desktop but everything is unusually large?
[15:56] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, pretty much. Today I put a different keyboard on it, because the keys were sticky. Now it gave me a login prompt, so i typed the password and now it says:No Video Input | Enter Sleep Mode
[15:59] <chalcedny> I'm still logged into it over here.
[15:59] <notobvious> on ubuntu 20.04 "download and install automatically" is selected in software updates but it isn't installing automatically just downloading and prompting for installation. any ideas?
[16:01] <oerheks> "and prompting for installation." ? so what is your issue?
[16:01] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: are you intent on fixing the install? would it be an option to extract what you need off the drive and reinstall?
[16:01] <lordcirth> oerheks, they want it to install automatically, presumably
[16:01] <notobvious> yes i do
[16:01] <oerheks> i am sure there is no need to hit a key to install updates, it is part of the install itself
[16:02] <lordcirth> notobvious, try: "sudo apt install unattended-upgrades && sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades"
[16:02] <oerheks> .. and even if you had to press a key, what is the issue?
[16:02] <notobvious> oerheks, so by "automatic" it means you do it with the mouse?
[16:02] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, my husband got another hard drive, and ordered a ubuntu dvd, but it hasn't come yet.
[16:03] <lordcirth> oerheks, what if one wants security updates to happen when one isn't there?
[16:03] <notobvious> if this is the default setting and there isn't wrong with my installation, i am fine with it tbh
[16:03] <notobvious> *anything wrong
[16:04] <oerheks> lordcirth, oh, i thought unattended-upgrades is standard
[16:04] <oerheks> good spot
[16:05] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, he actually needs some stuff like the firefox profile
[16:05] <chalcedny> could i get that with commands?
[16:05] <lordcirth> I don't run Ubuntu desktop much, just server, so I don't know the GUI way
[16:05] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: if you had a livecd/usb you could boot that and then mount the disk and copy what you need
[16:06] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, he probably ordered it from china on a boat.
[16:06] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: you don't have any other computers you could make live usb from?
[16:07] <chalcedny> ive got 3 computers running windows. downloading here is a very bad idea.
[16:10] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: but its ok to connect to irc and ask for help?
[16:10] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, irc is a low-bandwidth thing. Downloaging isn't.
[16:11] <lordcirth> chalcedny, FYI, in future you may be able to get updated ISOs with less bandwidth, using zsync
[16:11] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, rural america is deprived of modern amenities, such as cable.
[16:13] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: so your display issue is with regard to the proprietary nvidia driver?
[16:13] <chalcedny> lordcirth, very interesting.
[16:14] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, it might be.
[16:15] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: if you can boot into the system then see what the following outputs: lsmod nv*
[16:15] <chalcedny> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[16:16] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: lsmod will list the kernel modules currently loaded
[16:16] <chalcedny> kewl
[16:16] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, chull@vir:~$ lsmod nv*
[16:16] <chalcedny> Usage: lsmod
[16:17] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: sorry: lsmod | grep nv*
[16:18] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, ah ok :)
[16:18] <irl25519> Hi everyone. I have a weird issue and looking for ideas on how to fix it. After a recent apt upgrade, my desktop is showing all the files in my home folder. But I'm not expecting to see any files on my desktop. Is there some gconf/dconf variable I should set?
[16:19] <irl25519> I don't have a $HOME/Desktop directory. Since i don't have one then it should show no files on my desktop, rather than the contents of my home folder :)
[16:20] <gp5st_> Hello. I have an Ideapad 3 and I installed a fresh download of Ubuntu 20.04. The trackpad isn't working. I'm not sure where to begin debugging the issue. xinput only shows the XTEST pointer. Under keyboard is the XTEST keyboard, power buttong, video bus, power button, integrated camera, ideapad extra buttons, at translated set 2 keyboard
[16:20] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, https://pastebin.com/Wb18LiyH
[16:20] <oerheks> irl25519,  weird problem, are you running mint or ubuntu?
[16:21] <irl25519> ubuntu 20.04
[16:21] <irl25519> yeah, totally weird
[16:21] <irl25519> wish i knew which package did that
[16:21] <oerheks> no Desktop folder .. maybe a good idea to reistall?
[16:22] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: looks like nouveau is already loaded. I was going to suggest trying that if you were using the nvidia driver.
[16:22] <irl25519> that's a last resort after this channel :)
[16:23] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: what does uname -a say?
[16:23] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, let's see?
[16:23] <irl25519> @oerheks might be easier just to apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop and then install the package again
[16:24] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, chull@vir:~$ uname -a
[16:24] <chalcedny> Linux vir 5.4.0-53-generic #59~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 21 12:14:56 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:27] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: 18.04.1 goes back a little. the current is 18.04.5. You're probably not ging to like my suggestion but have you made sure you've installed all available updates?
[16:29] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, that isn't apt to cause more problems?
[16:29] <gp5st_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1910184 I'm guessing is a bug that's been submitted.
[16:30] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: you should always be up to date for security reasons and bug fixes. Your issue might be solved with an update
[16:31] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: if you are on 18.04.1 you might have a lot of updates to go through
[16:31] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, he should be on 20.04 ..
[16:32] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: 5.4 is the default kernel for 20.04 but your uname says you are on 18.04.1
[16:33] <chalcedny> that is royally messed up.
[16:33] <genii> hwe 18.04 kernel
[16:33] <chalcedny> he was / is definitely on 20.04
[16:33] <Panther> Why does the updater keep grabbing 5.8 kernels?
[16:34] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: did you atone point do an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04?
[16:34] <oerheks> gp5st_, twhat guide are you following for that Lenovo IdeaPad 3
[16:34] <chalcedny> he hasn't been using the computer for a couple of months
[16:34] <oerheks> this post might have 2 fixes https://askubuntu.com/questions/1249298/lenovo-ideapad-3-14are05-touchpad-not-working-ubuntu-20-04
[16:34] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, possibly.
[16:35] <gp5st_> oerheks, I don't have a guide. I've just installed from a USB drive
[16:35] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: if it hasn't been used for months then you certainly have updates to get
[16:35] <SneakyNick> I almost bricked my laptop. Only way I managed to enter OS, was by pressing a special key and select system UEFI recovery, which to make a long story short, doesn't work but it did at least alter UEFI boot order making Ubuntu partition boot first, before the boot menu and anything. Someone suggested I'd be able to access BIOS setup through a GRUB command. Was this a qualified suggestion, or a wild guess? Is it because of something relating to Secure Boot?
[16:35] <oerheks> other solution;  disable uefi, reverse to bios https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=333538
[16:36] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: typically that would be the first thing you should do to see if your problem is already addressed in an update
[16:36] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, maybe november. not all that long.
[16:36] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: you'd be surprised
[16:37] <gp5st_> oerheks, ok, I'll try blacklisting that driver
[16:38] <chalcedny> ThinkT510, remind me the command for update and upgrade?
[16:38] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: sudo apt-get update
[16:38] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:38] <ThinkT510> i that order
[16:38] <ThinkT510> in
[16:39] <SneakyNick> I'm a little scared, because Secure Boot blocks USB from booting with backup systems. So, I need to get it right. The suggestion for BIOS setup being available through GRUB implies that it is ubuntu which is blocking setup from being available in the first place then?
[16:39] <gp5st_> ok, so I tried to install openssh-server and it claims it has unmet dependencies?
[16:40] <gp5st_> (so that I can do this from my laptop which has a mouse and I can copy/paste)
[16:40] <ThinkT510> chalcedny: update fetches the latest information from the repositories while dist-upgrade actually downloads and installs the packages
[16:41] <chalcedny> gp5st_, openssh-server is amazingly useful.
[16:42] <gp5st_> chalcedny, it is, but this is a virgin ubuntu 20.04 install....why are there missing dependencies that it can't figure out?
[16:42] <gp5st_> ah, it seems openssh-client was installed via snap
[16:43] <gp5st_> by default? why
[16:43] <chalcedny> gp5st_, the serever needs more stuff.
[16:44] <gp5st_> chalcedny, no, it needed a different version of the client but it couldn't update the client because it was installed with snap
[16:44] <oerheks> err, why update the client?
[16:44] <oerheks> did you run a proper apt full-upgrade?
[16:44] <gp5st_> i don't know. I just tried to install the server
[16:45] <SneakyNick> Unsure why, but it makes sense to me that BIOS setup would be available in GRUB if it is some Secure Boot thing with Ubuntu blocking it in the first place.
[16:45] <gp5st_> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:45] <gp5st_> and it claims there are no updates it needs
[16:45] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: ubuntu can't block the uefi firmware from loading, secureboot only means that it wont boot an efi file that isnt signed, eg grubx64.efi vs shimx64.efi
[16:46] <irl25519> Think I found the solution to my issue by the way. For some reason XDG_DESKTOP_DIR in ~/.config/user-dirs.dir had been set to $HOME. Not sure how. But that's what i needed to alter to fix it
[16:46] <oerheks> oke, you installd the server, did you follow a guide to setup a client?
[16:46] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: did you try accessing the uefi firmware via grub by typing 'fwsetup' ?
[16:47] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: if it still doesnt work and none of the keys that are supposed to access the bios work perhaps you should consider reinstalling the uefi firmware somehow and first maybe trying to reset the CMOS
[16:48] <gp5st_> oerheks, what guide? `apt-get install openssh-server`
[16:49] <SneakyNick> No, I almost bricked. Doing backup of some files now, before further attempts.
[16:50] <oerheks> a good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[16:53] <gp5st_> I'm quite confused why you think that link is helpful, esp when the first non-404 link's 2nd line is to apt-get install openssh-server
[16:53] <SneakyNick> Eric: Updating grub almost rendered my system useless. Not sure why exactly. But doing update-grub affected the uefi boot menu.
[16:55] <oerheks> gp5st_, 2nd url is all you need?
[16:55] <gp5st_> oerheks, you obviously didn't read my initial complaint
[16:56] <oerheks> yes, complaints is all i read :-(
[16:56] <oerheks> why?
[16:57] <gp5st_> the issue was apt wouldn't install it because it appears the default client is a snap and it couldn't reconcile the version that is installed by default with the server install. I had to purge the client and then install the server and client
[16:59] <gp5st_> sorry, this trackpad has put me in a bad mood because i'm installing linux because windows refuses to work without a microsoft account because of something called s mode and to install without a MS account I had to turn off the router to prevent it from connecting to the wifi because it won't give you the option to disconnect. I'm just in a foul mood this morning; I'm sorry. It's been 3 hours on this laptop for my kid that he
[16:59] <gp5st_> needs for school and I havn't been able to do my own work yet
[17:04] <lordcirth> gp5st_, consider removing snapd entirely to prevent further problems
[17:05] <gp5st_> oerheks, ok, so a couple of rabbit holes down to update hte kernel and then https://askubuntu.com/a/1276453 you pasted above works
[17:05] <gp5st_> not sure what `pci=nocrs` on the grub cmd line, but it seems to have worked
[17:06] <SneakyNick> A more general newbie question. Shouldn't GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 make the grub menu available? To me it seems like it is often the case the menu is still unavailable.
[17:07] <SneakyNick> why would that be the case, unless there is another contradictory line further down ofc.
[17:08] <SneakyNick> It seems quite simple, right?
[17:09] <lordcirth> SneakyNick, I would check for other timeouts, yes. Where are you setting it?
[17:11] <SneakyNick> where? in the etc defaults grub file, which on my system is pretty much as if it was a fresh install. And doing a update-grub afterwards ofc.
[17:12] <SneakyNick> I'm also confused over both grub and grub2 being available on my system, which is a remake of ubuntu 21.04 (the version with unity desktop installed)
[17:12] <lordcirth> SneakyNick, there are several places it can be set. Check the final result in /boot/grub/grub.cfg (?) for "timeout"; if there is anything but your =10, you can track it down from there
[17:18] <Aryan> Hi, when I install a package, where can I find the installation file?
[17:18] <ThinkT510> !heir | Aryan
[17:19] <ThinkT510> !hier | Aryan
[17:19] <lordcirth> Aryan, dpkg -L <pkg>
[17:20] <SneakyNick> the /boot/grub/grub.cfg is a scripted file, a little hard to read easily, but anyway. Thanks.
[17:21] <SneakyNick> Anyone got a comment on why both grub and grub2 is available? I suppose it is default on Ubuntu 21.04.
[17:21] <SneakyNick> grub and grub2 are distinct pieces of software, yes?
[17:21] <lordcirth> SneakyNick, no need to read it all, just grep or use less with /
[17:21] <Aryan> ubottu: I mean the .deb file
[17:21] <Aryan> ThinkT510: ^
[17:22] <Aryan> where can I find the .deb files?
[17:23] <lordcirth> Aryan, /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:23] <oerheks> locate *.deb
[17:25] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: what's "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" give?
[17:25] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: also run 'cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:26] <gp5st_> sorry, battery went
[17:27] <Jakethepython> Good afternoon, This may not be a chat for the channel but i am using Teams on Ubuntu 20.4 and i cannot upload files from any other directory other than Downloads
[17:27] <SneakyNick> the first question:   https://termbin.com/yxb5
[17:28] <SneakyNick> the second one is maybe too long for outputting it onto chan
[17:29] <oerheks> Jakethepython, softwarecenter > installed > teams > permissions is the most likely place to change that.
[17:30] <SneakyNick> think it will become ugly if i attempt to paste into chan.
[17:30] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: that is what the termbin links are for
[17:31] <lordcirth> Jakethepython, how did you install Teams?
[17:31] <Jakethepython> Through the Software center
[17:32] <oerheks> snap
[17:34] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces
[17:34] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management
[17:35] <oerheks> 2 helpfull links to understand why snaps are great
[17:40] <SneakyNick> heres cat grub: https://termbin.com/mlxv
[17:41] <SneakyNick> if you're thinking about the menu, i'd think it should at any rate be available through using right shift or escape during boot.
[17:44] <SneakyNick> Regarding accessing bios setup from grub. Would it be the same as rebooting ubuntu into firmware setup? As in doing ***systemctl reboot --firmware-setup***
[17:45] <SneakyNick> Or would access from grub be different, since it is earlier or something?
[17:46] <SneakyNick> grub is loaded before the kernel, while i guess systemctrl would promote an action done after kernel loading. Have no idea, thinking loud.
[17:47] <SneakyNick> I'm 43 years old and still a newbie :)
[17:52] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: only grub2 is installed, but there's grub (legacy bios) and grub efi installed
[17:52] <jadax> I have a patch to one of the modules and I would like to build it against current running kernel (5.8.0-41), what's the best way to go about it?
[17:53] <jadax> should I be using git vs apt-get to get sources?
[17:54] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: the /etc/default/grub seems kind of off, try setting GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 and GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> jadax: do you have an ubuntu bug ID about that yet?
[17:54] <EriC^^> then update-grub, no idea regarding your question regarding systemctl vs grub's fwsetup
[17:55] <SneakyNick> oh. Serious? So when I'm using update-grub, I should have been doing update-grub2 ?
[17:55] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: no, same thing
[17:55] <SneakyNick> ok
[17:57] <SneakyNick> grub even added an entry for UEFI settings menu
[17:57] <jrg> there isn’t a proxmox channel?
[17:57] <jrg> what is the world coming to?
[17:57] <SneakyNick> Feel it strange, that update-grub is same as update-grub2
[17:58] <SneakyNick> odd, weird, if not just aesthetically.
[17:59] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: update-grub actually just runs grub-mkconfig with /boot/grub/grub.cfg as the output file, its just a convenience
[17:59] <EriC^^> some distros dont even have update-grub and you have to grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:01] <SneakyNick> ok, i'll try to reboot now. Hope to be able to get in here again.
[18:06] <SneakyNick> grub menu didn't load. And holding right shift didn't do any either.
[18:08] <EriC^^> type 'cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:08] <SneakyNick> And also, I'm pretty sure that after doing update-grub, the uefi menu is messed up at some level. I'm able to boot directly into Ubuntu and that's it. No windows.
[18:09] <SneakyNick> https://termbin.com/inqz
[18:09] <EriC^^> what do you mean by uefi menu?
[18:09] <SneakyNick> the menu which handle dual boot,
[18:10] <SneakyNick> I'm dualbooting, and the menu which selects system is produced by uefi software.
[18:10] <SneakyNick> it should have read 'uefi boot menu' instead of 'uefi menu'
[18:12] <EriC^^> oh ok so the uefi menu of the pc, not grub
[18:12] <EriC^^> ubuntu for sure did not touch that after 'update-grub' that only writes /boot/grub/grub.cfg and no more
[18:13] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: can you type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999' ?
[18:13] <EriC^^> also did you try pressing 'esc' to see if grub shows up?
[18:15] <SneakyNick> After I did update-grub, I was unable to do anything, like I said my laptop almost bricked. Only option available was a special reset menu, which provided me a 'system recovery' option, which doesn't work since recovery partition doesn't exist. However, selecting the system recovery option did alter the booting order(mysteriously), which then changed from 'uefi boot menu' first to 'ubuntu' first.
[18:16] <SneakyNick> https://termbin.com/b45b
[18:18] <SneakyNick> yes i tried pressing esc, could be i should try it more. But I think I should have made it if it was correct, but not completely sure.
[18:18] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: try adding this line to /etc/default/grub
[18:18] <EriC^^> GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=$GRUB_TIMEOUT
[18:18] <EriC^^> then sudo update-grub
[18:19] <EriC^^> what happens currently if you press Windows in the uefi boot menu?
[18:19] <SneakyNick> I'll put it at the end of the file, if it matters.
[18:19] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: also please type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:21] <SneakyNick> The uefi boot menu isn't working, I suppose. At least it didn't after doing the grub update. And yes, I acknowledge it seems strange, but we are in strange-land. As I wrote out on lenovo forum, I have been able to select setup, but the system behaves as if selecting setup is like clicking on a broken link.
[18:23] <SneakyNick> parted -ls : https://termbin.com/fdmo
[18:25] <SneakyNick> I'm pretty much sure that if I change the uefi boot order into showing boot menu first, it won't boot.
[18:26] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: you could change the uefi file that boots from ubuntu if you wanted, using efibootmgr
[18:27] <SneakyNick> yeah i know, change boot order or make new entries.
[18:27] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: i didnt understand though, if you press F12, you should get the one time boot menu, do you get that? and from there can you choose windows or ubuntu or uefi usb, etc?
[18:28] <EriC^^> and you're saying there if you choose windows it just doesnt do anything?
[18:29] <SneakyNick> not sure exactly what you mean. What I said, is that a working system turned into a non-working system after doing grub-update.
[18:29] <SneakyNick> f12?
[18:29] <EriC^^> ok
[18:30] <SneakyNick> I suspect it is related to Secure Boot.
[18:30] <SneakyNick> Right now I don't have a boot menu, it goes directly into ubuntu.
[18:32] <Some_Person> Got a weird issue. Whenever I print something, I get 2 extra pages with this error on them: "Invalid page range: Drum\\\ Unit device-uri=lpd"
[18:32] <Some_Person> How do I stop this?
[18:37] <SneakyNick> I could try to do a one time boot directly into into windows,
[18:38] <SneakyNick> Eric^^ if that was what you meant
[18:38] <SneakyNick> Check if I'm able to boot into windows directly,
[18:38] <SneakyNick> I'll do that.
[18:42] <SneakyNick> Eric^^ I could do a single boot into windows.
[18:43] <SneakyNick> Perhaps it turns out the boot menu works after all.
[18:43] <SneakyNick> the uefi boot menu
[18:43] <EriC^^> aha
[18:43] <SneakyNick> Just stranged it didn't
[18:43] <SneakyNick> Not sure I want to try it
[18:44] <SneakyNick> I'll try it, a one time boot into the boot menu
[18:47] <SneakyNick> Eric^^ what have we, the uefi boot menu worked for the single boot
[18:48] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: what exactly is the issue you're having? it hasnt been very clear to me
[18:48] <SneakyNick> Setup is unavailable.
[18:48] <EriC^^> ok so you cant access your bios is what you're saying
[18:49] <SneakyNick> UEFI firmware settings is unavailable
[18:49] <SneakyNick> correct.
[18:49] <EriC^^> ok great
[18:49] <EriC^^> try to reset your CMOS maybe, or update/reinstall your firmware
[18:49] <SneakyNick> I'm able to select it in multiple ways, but it is as clicking on a broken link, metaphorically.
[18:50] <EriC^^> ok perhaps try in ##hardware ?
[18:50] <EriC^^> this has nothing to do with update-grub / secureboot i can tell you that for sure
[18:50] <SneakyNick> And I suspect the problem can be associated with virtualbox.
[18:51] <SneakyNick> The problem originated in parallell with my use of virtualbox, and secure boot - as far as I'm able to see.
[18:51] <oerheks> some uefi bios versions only work properly with a password set
[18:52] <SneakyNick> Not hundred percent sure. Don't use bios setup every day.
[18:54] <SneakyNick> It wonder if your reasoning re connecting to setup through grub may have something to it.
[18:54] <EriC^^> huh
[18:55] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: ah, i guess it's worth a shot
[18:55] <EriC^^> SneakyNick: did you try adding the last lines i pasted to grub?
[18:55] <EriC^^> the recordfail ? then update-grub
[18:56] <SneakyNick> It's fluffy, but I wonder if secure boot sign the startup drivers, and that there are continiued verifications being done, based on the signings from secure boot.
[18:56] <Stadtpirat> Should 'apt upgrade' update from 20.04.1 to 20.04.2? It doesn't work for me, but I'm on WSL2, so maybe there's a difference? Or does 'apt upgrade' not even do that?
[18:57] <SneakyNick> yes, I added GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=$GRUB_TIMEOUT to the end of grub file.
[18:57] <leftyfb> !wsl | SneakyNick
[18:57] <Stadtpirat> Oh, I didn't know there's a special channel for that. Thanks mate!
[18:58] <SneakyNick> yes, then i updated grub
[18:59] <SneakyNick> ubottu, how nice. Maybe I should try to install windows 10 instead of my beloved 8.1
[18:59] <leftyfb> Stadtpirat: sorry, that was meant for you, not search_social
[18:59] <leftyfb> Stadtpirat: sorry, that was meant for you, not SneakyNick
[19:00] <leftyfb> Stadtpirat: but yes, on a normal Ubuntu installation, a regular apt upgrade should get you the latest point release
[19:02] <SneakyNick> Question now is how to access grub on a single boot system
[19:03] <oerheks> esc or left shift
[19:03] <SneakyNick> never mind what i said about single boot.
[19:03] <oerheks> !grub
[19:03] <SneakyNick> ok, i'll give esc and shift a couple of more tries,
[19:03] <SneakyNick> ok, i'll give esc and shift a couple of more goes
[19:03] <oerheks> that is, *if* there is grub installed in WSl i have no clue
[19:11] <leftcase> I'm having a really odd problem. Using Xubuntu 20.04.1 I joined an Xbox One controller to my computer using bluetooth. When I press the home button on the controller it opens Edge on my computer, if Edge is already open, it opens a new tab. I'm not really sure where to start trying to figure this out. Does anybody have any suggestions?
[19:11] <Stadtpirat> leftyfb, Yeah, it worked now. Don't know what I did wrong before.
[19:12] <Stadtpirat> I'm trying to do diff two files but I want to ignore (not compare) lines that start with a semicolon (;). I tried the following command to no avail:'diff -I "^;" /etc/php/7.2/fpm/php.ini /etc/php/7.4/fpm/php.ini'
[19:12] <Stadtpirat> Anyone seeing an issue with the command? It still diffs the entire content.
[19:17] <SneakyNick> dudes i tried holding, pressing repeatedly, left shift, right shift, esc - grub won't load
[19:19] <SneakyNick> I don't have very much software installed, its a fairly vanilla system.
[19:19] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: are you sure it is installed on the harddrive you are trying to boot from?
[19:20] <SneakyNick> I only have one drive, but partition? Unsure how to answer your question.
[19:21] <SneakyNick> I'm booting from the efi partition.
[19:21] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: grub needs to be installed to the root of the whole harddrive (sda) rather than any partition (sda1)
[19:21] <SneakyNick> Which passes the thing further to the ubuntu partition.
[19:22] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: yes
[19:23] <SneakyNick> Are you suggesting this type of chain won't work?
[19:23] <SneakyNick> uefi boot loader --> grub
[19:23] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: I don't know where you have grub installed
[19:24] <SneakyNick> how do i formally check? But I absolutely expect it to be installed on the only partition available with ubuntu on it.
[19:25] <SneakyNick> Don't remember specifically, but I suppose it was handled automatically by ubuntu installer.
[19:25] <DaCheat> Quick question -- on 18.04 having a heck of a time dealing with pkg-config not behaving as expected, mainly this: "invalid flag in pkg-config --libs: -Wl,--export-dynamic"
[19:25] <DaCheat> version is 0.29.1
[19:28] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: by default grub would have been installed to /dev/sda (assuming you have one harddrive)
[19:28] <SneakyNick> Sure.
[19:28] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: and if you have windows on it too then you would see grub whenever you boot
[19:29] <SneakyNick> Yeah, but the boot menu has been handled by UEFI boot management, so I've never seen a grub menu here as far as I can recall.
[19:31] <ThinkT510> if uefi was configured to boot your one harddrive then it should pass you onto grub
[19:31] <ThinkT510> are you sure you don't have a small ssd too?
[19:32] <SneakyNick> Yes, suppose you're right. No I only got one drive, wish you were correct (128 gig)
[19:32] <ThinkT510> is it an nvme device or sata?
[19:33] <SneakyNick> no idea, its a fairly cheap system from 2016
[19:34] <SneakyNick> There is something odd going on and I suspect it's associated with secure boot.
[19:34] <ThinkT510> secureboot is often more trouble than its worth
[19:35] <SneakyNick> It's a little scary, because now I for instance can't use my external rescue usb-sticks
[19:35] <SneakyNick> Can't boot external os
[19:36] <ThinkT510> and that is frustrating because you know it is your device and you want to access it
[19:36] <SneakyNick> The only usb stick which works, is the one with a windows installer on.
[19:36] <SneakyNick> well, I'm a little worried about not being able to handle it, so in worst case to brick the system
[19:38] <ThinkT510> I have a laptop with secureboot and I disable it. I bought the laptop and it is my device. Microsoft doesn't decide what I get to do with my hardware (which is essentially what you are allowing if you keep secureboot enabled).
[19:38] <SneakyNick> It's strange, when I try to select uefi setup, the system responds. It pauses for a brief time and screen blackens, as if setup is about to load, but instead I'm sent back to the boot-menu.
[19:39] <SneakyNick> Yes, I want to disable secure boot, but for doing so, I need to access bios setup.
[19:40] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: you'll need to consult your manufacturer's documentation on how to do that for your device.
[19:41] <SneakyNick> Thinking it could be a chance I could access it from grub, but it seems like grub menu is difficult to get to appear.
[19:41] <ThinkT510> grub is a bootloader, uefi passes to grub (never the other way around)
[19:42] <ThinkT510> depending on the manufacturer of the device some uefi implementations are very buggy (so your worry about bricking the system is very valid)
[19:42] <SneakyNick> Yes ThinkT510, I think it seems like you got it right.
[19:43] <SneakyNick> Well, getting a grub menu should be doable.
[19:44] <SneakyNick> It doesn't seem like a hardware problem.
[19:45] <SneakyNick> Because, the system works.
[19:46] <SneakyNick> I read, write - edit. No instabilities or randomness worth nothing if context is hardware malfunction.
[19:47] <SneakyNick> I did try ***systemctl reboot --firmware-setup*** but it didn't work.
[19:48] <agile_prg> I cannot find the command loginctrl on ubuntu 20.0.1
[19:48] <agile_prg> any ideas where it went
[19:48] <agile_prg> ?
[19:49] <sarnold> agile_prg: what does this command do?
[19:49] <SneakyNick> I'm not sure, but I wonder if I tried to reinstall everything, if the secure boot stuff could end up blocking something, for instance block me from installing linux.
[19:49] <sarnold> agile_prg: oh, heh, are you looking for loginctl(1) ?
[19:50] <agile_prg> the name of the executable is loginctrl is all I know
[19:50] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: that is essentially what it is designed to do. hence why you can only boot a windows usb stick
[19:50] <SneakyNick> As of now, I'm not allowed to use a usb-stick with ubuntu on it. I don't know, but seems like I'd need access to bios setup and turn off secure boot.
[19:50] <sarnold> agile_prg: where did you find this name?
[19:50] <sarnold> agile_prg: I can't find anything in any ubuntu source package with the name 'loginctrl'
[19:50] <agile_prg> https://askubuntu.com/questions/180628/how-can-i-logout-from-the-gui-using-cli
[19:50] <SneakyNick> Hence, reinstalling system might not serve me well.
[19:51] <sarnold> agile_prg: that page only discusses loginctl, not loginctrl
[19:52] <SneakyNick> Another question btw: When applying the command systemctl reboot --firmware-setup it doesn't need a sudo password,
[19:52]  * agile_prg hides in intense embarassment, I was not here, this never happened!
[19:52] <SneakyNick> It enables system to reboot without sudo password.
[19:52] <sarnold> agile_prg :) hehe
[19:53] <sarnold> SneakyNick: it'll use polkit to determine if the user requesting the reboot has privileges that way
[19:53] <SneakyNick> Or maybe it was just me who just had entered sudo password earlier, never mind.
[19:54] <sarnold> SneakyNick: that'd only work if you used sudo on the command
[19:55] <SneakyNick> I also want to add: same result if I try to access bios setup from a ms win perspective. It seems to work fine, I for instance reboot into setup from the windows installer usb, but setup turns out to be unavailable.
[19:58] <SneakyNick> What do you folks think of me if I suggest this problem of accessing setup to be related to virtualbox?
[19:59] <SneakyNick> I have no clue, but thinking it can have set off a switch or something
[19:59] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: the ability to access your BIOS has absolutely nothing to do with Virtualbox being installed on one of the drives
[19:59] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: you should be able to access your BIOS even if you physically remove the drive containing Virtualbox or any other piece of software on it
[20:00] <oerheks> leftyfb +1
[20:00] <oerheks> i think this have been told before?
[20:01] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: at this point, if you cannot access your BIOS, this is a hardware/firmware/BIOS issue and not related to Ubuntu
[20:01] <oerheks> check the vendor manual
[20:01] <leftyfb> also possible user/usability issue
[20:02] <treats> I'm fighting a strange behavior.  My audio levels aren't working as expected.  Rythmbox is working great, so I'm using that as a benchmark.  Playing media through the default video player or VLC produce a volume that's audible but noticably lower than rythmbox.  I've used pulseaudio, done a fair bit of searching, but I haven't been able to
[20:02] <treats> shake this issue.
[20:03] <treats> Additionally, my mic levels are extremely low, to the point of being unisable.  I can hear me on playback, but the levels are so low it's practically off.
[20:04] <treats> Ubuntu 20.04 on the Swift 3 AMD
[20:04] <SneakyNick> I am able to access bios. The efimngr software informs me that the boot order is stored in NVRAM.
[20:05] <SneakyNick> Some of the issue, I suppose, is that BIOS (UEFI) is partly on hard drive and partly on chip.
[20:06] <sarnold> I've never seen bios-things on drives before
[20:06] <foxide> Nothing regarding BIOS or UEFI resides on a disk. It's all firmware.
[20:06] <oerheks> sarnold, toshiba had such solution, 486 era
[20:07] <sarnold> oerheks: omg why
[20:07] <foxide> The binary that it executes may be on-disk, but BIOS/UEFI do not.
[20:07] <oerheks> because license
[20:07] <foxide> s/do not/are not/
[20:07] <SneakyNick> The reason I'm suggesting Virtualbox, is because it's the only software i have which seem to interact with bios. More specifically, Secure Boot, which seems to me as a plausible candidate for why the system is selective about how setup is accessed.
[20:07] <oerheks> virtualbox interact with uefi bios? grinn
[20:07] <oerheks> no
[20:08] <SneakyNick> It seems to me that - on my system - Secure Boot regulates access to setup.
[20:08] <foxide> It does not.
[20:09] <oerheks> i am not sure what the real problem is now,  it seems all small talk to me
[20:11] <SneakyNick> I'll investigate more and hope it's okay if I come back and ask general questions and or share findings.
[20:13] <SneakyNick> who got the intellectual side of eufi covered, is it intel+microsoft?
[20:13] <ThinkT510> SneakyNick: virtualbox does not touch your bios. installing virtualbox in linux requires kernel modules which will change the signature of the kernel (thus affecting secureboot).
[20:14] <ThinkT510> secureboot requires the kernel to have a certain signature, to prove it hasn't been tampered with (which is the whole point of secureboot)
[20:14] <SneakyNick> is it sort of like a hash?
[20:14] <sarnold> a chain of hashes, sortof
[20:15] <sarnold> the secureboot bios verifies the bootloader, the bootloader verifies the kernel, the kernel verifies kernel modules
[20:15] <SneakyNick> great.
[20:17] <SneakyNick> what i was thinking earlier, is that my system seems to believe setup is attempted accessed by unsigned software, hence it won't load. Pure speculation ofc. Based on loose associations.
[20:17] <SneakyNick> Thanks for great help!
[20:30] <leftyfb> SneakyNick: Might I suggest disabling secureboot completely
[20:51] <foxide> SneakyNick: UEFI setup access occurs before anything involving secureboot happens. You've got this backwards.
[20:54] <Hash> A chain of me's?
[20:54] <Hash> Sister, you can't even handle one of me.
[20:55] <Hash> Wrong channel...
[20:56] <foxide> Hash: I now have additional questions.
[21:16] <treats> Is there a list of compatible laptops floating around?  I just tried the Acer Swift 3 AMD, which is nice and nearly there, but I can only troubleshoot for so many hours before giving up.  I'd love an AMD laptop that's light with a good battery to work with Ubuntu (or another popular flavor of Linux I suppose).
[21:16] <treats> The Librem 14 looks nice, but it's $$$$
[21:16] <SneakyNick> foxide: I understand what you're saying. I don't have any detailed information, but if I try to make it fit anyway, I'd end up with something like this: What if the software used for generating e.g the current uefi-boot-menu leaves a 'mark', meaning the software regulating access to setup will be able to decide whether access to setup (access to turn off secure boot) was signed or not. That the software used to turn off secure boot will need to be
[21:16] <SneakyNick> verified. Makes sense.
[21:18] <sarnold> treats: there's a https://certification.ubuntu.com/ -- but note that sometimes it reflects *preinstalled* versions of ubuntu and you'd have a bad time if you try to reinstall
[21:18] <treats> So some of them installed then tweaked it until it worked and called it a day?
[21:23] <sarnold> more like fiddled with device drivers, etc, but yeah
[21:23] <cluelessperson> I'm looking for laptop suggestions that would support ubuntu well.
[21:24] <SneakyNick> it feels sometimes like there are 'swiches' in play. Sometimes there is a lag, just a reboot is needed etc etc
[21:26] <SneakyNick> Horribly imprecise language of course, but perhaps you're able to rephrase it even if you don't agree?
[21:27] <treats> cluelessperson System76 is the only one I know shipping native https://system76.com/laptops/lemp10/configure
[21:27] <cluelessperson> I've had a lot of success with modern thinkpads
[21:27] <SneakyNick> Or where you playing with me? That it's obvious?
[21:28] <SneakyNick> Software is a somewhat secret industry isn't it.
[21:28] <SneakyNick> illuminate home league.
[21:30] <SneakyNick> Won't discuss it here and now, with you, but I have been having problems with my dear ubuntu being hacked. That I've been spied on. Probably by some gov people, whatever that means.
[21:32] <SneakyNick> Almost got kicked once from a linux channel, for discussing how surveillance works. How to protect myself kind of exchange, with a little complaining over software devs playing along with the folks spying on me.
[21:33] <SneakyNick> anyway. uefi bios, setup. Virtualbox.
[21:37] <foxide> SneakyNick: None of that works the way you just said it did.
[21:37] <foxide> SneakyNick: Sorry to be blunt about it, but you do not have a solid grasp of how UEFI, secure boot, etc. work.
[21:47] <regedit> hello, trying to SSH to some machine from my local computer works, but trying to ssh from another server keep resulting in "Connection refused"
[21:47] <regedit> how can i troubleshoot this?
[21:49] <zen_coder> I (with admin rights) have mounted a new hard disk. However I can still not access it (permission denied) How can I mount a hard disk so every user can access it?
[21:52] <sarnold> regedit: connection refused could be a firewall set to REJECT packets, on any of the machines involved -- either end point, any routers or firewalls in the middle
[21:53] <sarnold> zen_coder: what filesystem is on the new drive? does this filesystem have permissions? are they correctly configured?
[21:53] <javi404> I don't remember, does ubuntu have a memtest on the boot cd?
[21:53] <regedit> sarnold: so if the destination machine is working fine from my local computer, does that mean the above mentioned "another server" is the one with the problem? how can i confirm this
[21:53] <zen_coder> the hard disk has already data and is formated with ext4
[21:56] <Bashing-om> javi404: Memtest is not supported for UEFI - proprietary there is: http://www.memtest86.com/ <- proprietary offering for the UEFI systems.
[21:56] <zen_coder> sarnold: ?
[21:57] <javi404> i don't need UEFI, 10 year old machine.
[21:57] <javi404> but if there is an iso
[21:57] <javi404> I can add it to my vtoy usb disk
[21:57] <javi404> flash drive rather
[21:57] <javi404> i have ubuntu 20.04 on a workstation that keeps crashing every few days
[21:57] <Bashing-om> javi404: Then yes there is memtest.
[21:58] <javi404> it's fucking 58 degress in that office so not heat and now it's annoying
[21:59] <javi404> Bashing-om: it seems like memtest86 and memtest86+ are 2 different things, a fork?
[22:02] <hggdh> javi404: please mind your language
[22:03] <Bashing-om> javi404: So far as I can see - memtest86 is the UEFI proprietary offering, whereas memtest86+ is the bios opensource version.
[22:04] <MartyMcFlyJr> hy
[22:09] <javi404> Bashing-om: that's what it looks like, thanks for confirming
[22:10] <javi404> just downloaded it
[22:10] <javi404> on to the ventoy usb, let's see if there is really something up with this sytem.
[22:22] <zen_coder> sarnold: hi?
[22:27] <sarnold> javi404: there is, iff you boot into legacy / CSM mode -- the free memtest doesn't run on uefi
[22:27] <sarnold> regedit: it might take some bisecting to figure out -- try ssh from other hosts in the same network, other hosts not in the same network, etc
[22:30] <sarnold> zen_coder: if the filesystem is ext4, then you 'just' need to set permissions on the files so that everyone can interact with them; you might want to set the group owners on all directories on the filesystem, and set the setgid bit on all the directories, to encourage the processes to create new files with the group of the directory, rather than users' individual groups
[22:30] <sarnold> zen_coder: this *might* require also mounting the filesystem with the 'bsdgroups' mount option. I can't recall if that's necessary or sufficient..
[22:33] <cluelessperson> hi there, when I return from suspend, ubuntu takes several minutes to reconnect to wifi
[22:33] <regedit> sarnold: turns out host (namecheap) had outgoing ports closed, had to ask support to open mine 👍 thanks
[22:33] <cluelessperson> I find that when I restart network-manager, it reconnected immediately.
[22:35] <sarnold> regedit: aha! that'll do it :)
[22:36] <charolastra> why is apt mixing up the versions of a package. says "libmysqlclient21 is already the newest version (8.0.23-1ubuntu20.04)." while apt-cache show also shows a "Version: 8.0.23-0ubuntu0.20.10.1" for that package. is it because of the "1" infront of "ubuntu"?
[22:37] <charolastra> and a related question: can i see from which source a package was installed from?
[22:42] <Bashing-om> charolastra: Mu mirror update this day: "Unpacking libmysqlclient21:amd64 (8.0.23-0ubuntu0.20.04.1) over (8.0.22-0ubuntu0
[22:42] <Bashing-om> .20.04.3) ..."
[22:42] <Bashing-om> my*
[22:44] <charolastra> so that should spread and an update will be available soon?
[22:45] <Bashing-om> charolastra: Depends - where did you get the package from ' apt policy libmysqlclient21 ' .
[22:46] <SneakyNick> foxide: you didn't have to tell everyone how far off I am and how poor my understanding is. I've been working a lot for this.
[22:46] <charolastra> it says: *** 8.0.23-1ubuntu20.04 100 <br> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:46] <SneakyNick> foxide: anyway, still - thanks for telling me.
[22:48] <SneakyNick> Are the workings of UEFI for instance zecret? I mean, the level of knowledge I'm aspiring at for solving my silly little problem?
[22:48] <Bashing-om> charolastra: More of interest here is the 500 lines(s).
[22:49] <charolastra> right, here's the output: https://pastebin.com/PMPW4Njs
[22:51] <Bashing-om> !info libmysqlclient21 groovy | charolastra
[22:53] <Bashing-om> charolastra: Humm ,,, ^^ ... what sjows ' sudo apt update ; sido apt upgrade ' ?
[22:53] <Bashing-om> shows*
[22:53] <dabblerdude> Hello everyone.
[22:53] <dabblerdude> Hey bashing-om.
[22:54] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Welcome back - issues ?
[22:55] <charolastra> nothing unusual: https://pastebin.com/PSDt13gL
[22:55] <ax562> Hello dabllerdude
[22:58] <Bashing-om> charolastra: Yeah looks same - is the package manager in a happy state ' sudo dpkg -C ' - returns to prompt only ?
[22:58] <charolastra> yeah
[22:58] <sarnold> charolastra: try: apt policy libmysqlclient21   -- this will show you which versions are 'newest' in the various configured repositories and pockets
[22:59] <charolastra> sarnold: already linked that output above
[23:00] <Bashing-om> sarnold: https://pastebin.com/PMPW4Njs - mirror not synced up ?
[23:04] <dabblerdude> Hey Bashing-om.
[23:04] <dabblerdude> I got disconnected for a second.
[23:04] <dabblerdude> Anyway, what I was trying to say was that I tried out the terminal commands you gave me and they didn't seem to work.
[23:04] <madkapu> P
[23:04] <madkapu> :P
[23:04] <dabblerdude> I'm still getting those freezes.
[23:05] <madkapu> How do I quit.
[23:05] <jeremy31> madkapu: /quit
[23:05] <sarnold> charolastra: that version number seems like it comes from http://repo.mysql.com/apt/ubuntu/pool/mysql-8.0/m/mysql-community/mysql-community_8.0.23-1ubuntu20.04.dsc -- did you install this from oracle manually? or previously have their repository configured?
[23:05] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: In regards to a proprietary driver for an Nvida card ?
[23:06] <dabblerdude> Also, whenever I boot up Xubuntu with the linux-lowlatency kernel, the system freezes completely at the login screen and I have to do a hard reboot.
[23:08] <dabblerdude> @Bashing-om: But with the regular generic kernel I've been using, I've been getting those regular desktop freezes I told you about. Has Xubuntu been always buggy?
[23:08] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Any hints 'journalctl -b -0 ' <- shows messages from the current boot.
[23:09] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: I have used (x)ubuntu since the 14.04 release - solid as a rock on my system ( once a nvidia driver was available in 14.04).
[23:13] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: "sysop@2004x-c:~$ lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga >> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK208B [GeForce GT710] [10de:128b] (rev a1)" :D
[23:13] <charolastra> sarnold: that might have been the case because mysql-workbench was buggy so i looked for other versions. i'll try to uninstall all mysql stuff
[23:14] <SneakyNick> hi, i got a question about practical everyday use of secure boot. On my system it is enabled, and when I try to use an external usb-stick with ubuntu on it, I am prompted with a message about 'enrolling' it.
[23:14] <SneakyNick> The blue screen says i have to remember to make sure its a genuine key before enrolling it.
[23:14] <SneakyNick> what does it all mean ?
[23:15] <deltab> SneakyNick: booting from an external drive?
[23:15] <SneakyNick> its when i select an option 'enroll key from disk' or 'enroll hash from disk'
[23:15] <SneakyNick> yes
[23:15] <SneakyNick> booting from external drive, yes.
[23:16] <SneakyNick> it begins with ERROR verification failed, and a code for security violation
[23:16] <SneakyNick> then the two options, key or hash - from disk.
[23:19] <SneakyNick> if I select key, I'm presented what seems like a hardware address. PciRoot(0)/Pci(0x10,0x0)/Usb(0x1,0x0)/HD(Part1,Sig30E4FE9F)
[23:20] <sarnold> SneakyNick: did you perchance try to enroll a new key before a reboot? eg executing mokutil yourself, installing a dkms package, etc?
[23:20] <deltab> right, identifying the PCI bus, USB port, and USB stick partition
[23:20] <SneakyNick> Anyone knows what is going on? The PciRoot-stuff is presented as some value I'm supposed to select. I didn't dare, I turned power off.
[23:21] <SneakyNick> Okay, but where would it lead - would it require me to set a password or something, or what?
[23:21] <charolastra> sarnold: seems to have fixed it, thanks
[23:21] <sarnold> charolastra: nice :)
[23:21] <SneakyNick> Or is it just for making me okay it, that I have to report the usb stick as okay and trustworthy?
[23:22] <sarnold> SneakyNick: it leads to, iirc, a big blue screen that asks you to confirm adding the new key to your secureboot configuration
[23:22] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS
[23:22] <sarnold> the images aren't loading for me yet but iirc there's images on this page
[23:23] <SneakyNick> So its basically about adding the usb stick to the family of trusted software?
[23:23] <sarnold> SneakyNick: I have no idea where the usb stick comes from, it might be entirely unrelated even..
[23:25] <SneakyNick> :)I'm terrified of secure boot. Afraid of digging myself into a hole I won't get out of.
[23:29] <vimart> Hi everyone
[23:30] <sarnold> hi vimart
[23:30] <sarnold> SneakyNick: I *hope* the bios has a way to reset keys somehow
[23:32] <vimart> Hello sarnold , how's your day?
[23:32] <sarnold> any day above the ground is a good day, right?
[23:33] <vimart> oh yeah, defo
[23:33] <SneakyNick> If I understand you correctly, it's basically about secureboot asking me if the usb-stick is okay. Which sounds weird, since I thought the thing was about making a centralized authority decide what's trustworthy or not.
[23:33] <SneakyNick> the usb stick with an operation system, I should add.
[23:36] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: I'm back again. This time, I just got another desktop freeze.
[23:38] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Looks at the boot log ' journalctl -b -0 ' ?
[23:41] <deltab> SneakyNick: no, it's about you as the owner of the machine deciding which software can run on it
[23:41] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/9L76rvEN
[23:41] <deltab> SneakyNick: hence (as I've just found out) 'MOK', for Machine Owner Key
[23:41] <dabblerdude> This is the output from the "journalctl -b -0" command.
[23:42] <jeremy31> SneakyNick: Usually easier to just disable Secure Boot
[23:44] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: One page of many - Have a looksee through the whole log and see if anything jumps out at you.
[23:45] <dabblerdude> Reading that log, nothing stands out to me.
[23:47] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Then all I can suggest is to open a terminal on the same screen you are working - where you can see output - and in this terminal run ' journalctl -f ' to watch the system in real-time.
[23:47] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: That'll be a useful command. Thank you!
[23:48] <deltab> SneakyNick: one of the things secure boot guards against is an attacker bypassing OS protections by booting the machine with their own OS; hence it needs you to tell it which OSes it should allow
[23:50] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Freezing is NO fun - took me forever to find that I had my drives misswired to correlate with my SATA controller. Freezes are hard to isolate.
[23:50] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: I was seriously going to consider switching to a different distro.
[23:52] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: can not hurt to see what happens with Booting "try ubuntu" form a live environment. Isolates to a system config/hardware issue.
[23:59] <SneakyNick> thanks for informing me about secure boot.