[00:01] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Yeah, I'll have to run Xubuntu off my flash drive and see if my system crashes.
[00:03] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Good place to start the troubleshooting - this can be a very long process to find the fault :(
[00:03] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: As I'm troubleshooting the freezing issues, I'll try to use Xubuntu as best as I can before it freezes.
[00:04] <dabblerdude> I mean, besides the freezes, Xubuntu seems to work fine.
[00:06] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: I like simple, fast  and configurable :) xfce for the win.
[00:11] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: I remember somebody told me that Xubuntu has the most compatibility compared to the other Ubuntu distro derivatives.
[00:12] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Not really true - is only a tool and is only as good as what you apply it to. But it is great at what it does :P
[00:31] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Do you know any Ubuntu distros that are stable and not buggy?
[00:32] <dabblerdude> At least ones that are for audio/video production?
[00:33] <matsaman> if you want
[00:34] <matsaman> if you want more stable Ubuntu, you want Debian
[00:34] <matsaman> Ubuntu doesn't have a stable branch — it sources from Debian's unstable branches
[00:36] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ .
[00:36] <dabblerdude> I've used that distro before. Last time I used it, I had lots of problems with it.
[00:38] <dabblerdude> What about KXStudio? Is that a good one?
[00:38] <dabblerdude> @Bashing-om
[00:38] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Not used - can not comment :)
[00:45] <matsaman> dabblerdude: KXStudio is Ubuntu
[00:45] <matsaman> dabblerdude: what problems are you having?
[00:48] <ruedii> My GPU is having trouble detecting my monitor.  How do I tell it which output to look on the monitor at default?
[00:50] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Also, another question, do you know what hwe means? Like the package "linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04?"
[00:52] <Bashing-om> !hwe | dabblerdude
[00:53] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: ^^ Good to support new(er) hardware.
[00:56] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: I like the sound of hwe. Maybe that could help repair my freezing issue.
[00:57] <dabblerdude> Well, because X has a newer version.
[00:58] <dabblerdude> matsaman: What happens when I run Xubuntu is that I'll be in the middle of doing something and all of a sudden, my desktop freezes. I can only move my mouse cursor and access TTYs.
[01:02] <sarnold> dabblerdude: are you using gnome or something else?
[01:03] <dabblerdude> sarnold: I'm using XFCE.
[01:03] <sarnold> ah
[01:03] <dabblerdude> XFCE4.
[01:03] <matsaman> dabblerdude: sounds like a graphics driver issue
[01:04] <dabblerdude> matsman: I've tried to reinstall the latest graphics drivers for my GPU but that didn't do anything.
[01:07] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Do you think using an HWE kernel will help solve this freezing issue I've been having?
[01:07] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: log_file: /var/log/gpu-manager.log show any hints ?
[01:07] <deltab> dabblerdude: have you had that hardware working well with other software?
[01:08] <dabblerdude> deltab: Yeah, I think so.
[01:08] <deltab> recently?
[01:08] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: As to HWE on older hardware - nope I do not see that as a solution.
[01:09] <dabblerdude> deltab: Yeah, recently. Most of the programs that I use on a daily basis have been working well.
[01:12] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Here's the GPU Manager file log    https://pastebin.com/0zzeUi8i
[01:13] <SneakyNick> hi
[01:13] <matsaman> hi Sneaky
[01:14] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Yukkie "Is nvidia kernel module available? no" --- is secure boot disabled to alow the module to load ?
[01:15] <dabblerdude> SneakyNick: Hello!
[01:15] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Yes, Secure Boot is disabled.
[01:16] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: What shows ' lsmod | grep nvidia ' ?
[01:17] <dabblerdude> nvidia_uvm           1015808  0
[01:17] <dabblerdude> nvidia_drm             57344  4
[01:17] <dabblerdude> nvidia_modeset       1228800  8 nvidia_drm
[01:17] <dabblerdude> nvidia              34041856  422 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset
[01:17] <dabblerdude> drm_kms_helper        184320  1 nvidia_drm
[01:17] <dabblerdude> drm                   491520  7 drm_kms_helper,nvidia_drm
[01:21] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: Now that you can talk again :) That says the module is available - so why did it not load is the question.
[01:22] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: I don't know why the module's not loading.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: So back to what is loaded ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[01:26] <ruedii> to the person with questions about a studio distro, I would like to note that it has been my experience low ram systems perform very badly with the low latency kernel.
[01:27] <ruedii> Since studio distros presume you have enough resources to run the low latency kernel they default to it.  Try switching to the generic kernel for better stability on systems lacking either CPU time or RAM.
[01:27] <ruedii> To put it simply: Swapping KILLS low latency systems.
[01:28] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Actually, one thing I didn't do when I was installing Xubuntu was creating a swap partition. I didn't even modify the swap file in Xubuntu either.
[01:29] <ruedii> I highly recommend setting up ZSWAP at least, if not also enabling ZRAMFS based swap.
[01:30] <dabblerdude> ruedii: Then again, I'm running 8GB of RAM on my system as well.
[01:30] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: My experience is generally what the system creates is good - smartty that it is :P - 'free' can tell the tale.
[01:31] <ruedii> Yeah, the loopback swap file works pretty good now.  It didn't used to.
[01:32] <ruedii> I believe ZSWAP is on by default now.  However, ZRAMFS based swap also helps.  Just 512MB-1GB of ZRAM swap will allow your less frequently used background tasks to be swapped out for compressed RAM most of the time.
[01:32] <dabblerdude> https://pastebin.com/uaCyErWp
[01:32] <sarnold> ruedii: oh really? I don't recall seeing that in release notes or changelogs anywhere
[01:32] <ruedii> Still, don't use the low latency kernel with 8GB of RAM. It runs risk.
[01:33] <ruedii> sarnold, I didn't either, but my modules saw it installed somehow.
[01:33] <dabblerdude> ruedii: Running JACK with that kernel stops all the Xruns I get with using the generic kernel, though.
[01:33] <dabblerdude> I could put more RAM in my system, though.
[01:33] <ruedii> Yeah, more RAM generally solves it.
[01:34] <ruedii> Or an Intel Optain SSD for swap if they still sold them.
[01:34] <ruedii> I hope they stopped selling them because they are releasing something better.  That was Intel's best product.
[01:34] <sarnold> yeah I'm sad I never got any of them :(
[01:35] <ruedii> I'm an AMD guy, and I'll admit that until 2 years ago, Intel ruled the Single Thread CPU market.   After they lost that Optain was where they had major potential as cutting edge.
[01:36] <ruedii> I hope it's just that they are moving the Optane memory production to a different foundery and needed to cut consumption.
[01:36] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: the dpkg output looks sane to me - will take one smarter than I to see why that driver does not load :(
[01:36] <ruedii> Or they are moving to a new, even better tech.
[01:36] <sarnold> they've still got optane datacenter memory, I'm *hopeful* that comes down to my level soon :) but .. I'd be happier if it comes to AMD, too...
[01:37] <ruedii> There are a few other techs AMD has that might work.  I hear AMD has patents for various inductive 1T-NVSRAM types.
[01:37] <ruedii> Most are LVSRAM, not NVSRAM though.
[01:38] <ruedii> Low-Volatility, not Low-Voltage.
[01:39] <ruedii> anyhow, anyone familiar with AMDGPU boot problems.
[01:39] <sarnold> I just really liked the idea that itmight be possible to have a terabyte of storage that's *almost* as fast as memory, doesn't require writing in huge blocks, etc..
[01:40] <ruedii> Well, 4K blocks will be standard, mostly for addressing.  Otherwise indexing gets insane, and you get performance penalties for bank select.
[01:41] <sarnold> even 4k blocks beats ssd's gigantic erase blocks
[01:41] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: Should I reinstall my system? Or diagnose my RAM? I've had it since 2014.
[01:41] <dabblerdude> I tested my RAM with Windows Memory Diagnostic and it didn't pick up any errors.
[01:42] <ruedii> Try memtest86+  Sadly it requires a non-UEFI boot.  (Someone needs to port it to UEFI.  Maybe someone could convince Samsung it would be useful.)
[01:43] <dabblerdude> ruedii: That must be why when I run memtest86+, it crashes after a few seconds. XD
[01:43] <ruedii> memtest86+ has had issues lately.  It needs a serious update.
[01:44] <ruedii> I'm half tempted to take a look at the code myself.
[01:44] <ruedii> However, teaching myself UEFI programming would be a massive task.
[01:45] <ruedii> I'm a programming polyglot so any mish-mash of code is workable for me, and refactoring is a breeze, but learning APIs is not fun.
[01:45] <Bashing-om> ruedii: The why is proprietary: http://www.memtest86.com/ .
[01:46] <ruedii> Yes, the former memtest86 that they drew a LOT of code from went proprietary.
[01:46] <ruedii> Hence no source codebase for updates.
[01:47] <ruedii> I'm thinking they just need to feature strip certain unnecessary diagnostic functions, such as SPD data and cache data.
[01:47] <ruedii> That way there is no worry about updating, and the core program can be brought down in size.
[01:48] <dabblerdude> @ruedii Is memtest86+ a better application than Windows Memory Diagnostic when it comes to detecting memory errors?
[01:50] <sarnold> ruedii: you could make a lot of nerds happy if you tackle that :D
[01:51] <ruedii> I'm currently looking for a better starter task though.  My skills are very rusty.
[01:51] <ruedii> I'm thinking of starting by helping with the refactoring effort over at OpenRTC2.
[01:51] <sarnold> makes sense, it feels like jumping in the deep end there..
[01:52] <ruedii> The problem is that any project large enough to peak my interest is jumping in the deep end.
[01:52] <dabblerdude> Bashing-om: I'm not having any freezing issues right now. I'm starting to wonder if having that linux-lowlatency package installed on my system is what's causing the freezes.
[01:54] <ruedii> I experienced freezes in numberous games on linux-lowlatency.  What I found is if you run below 20% free memory margin on Linux-lowlatency or end up with something in swap that generates a wait on access, your system nearly freezes.
[01:55] <ruedii> Basically the low latency sacrifices stability against out of resources for improved latency when there is plenty of resources.
[01:55] <ruedii> The same thing happens if you get prolonged CPU usage on a high priority thread, BTW.
[02:07] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: There is that "Is nvidia kernel module available? no" needing addressing :(
[02:08] <Bashing-om> dabblerdude: There is that "Is nvidia kernel module available? no" needing addressing :(
[02:16] <ruedii> I'm going to try a complete reinstall.  Hopefully that will help . . .
[02:17] <ruedii> I think unetbootn installed a bad version of syslinux on my install drive and then it cascaded from there.
[02:18] <sarnold> oh my.. I thought syslinux was really just for installers / live images etc
[02:18] <raccoon_dog> Unetbootin is probably not a idea. On Windows, Rufus is better, and in general Etcher does a good job.
[02:19] <raccoon_dog> s/a idea/a good idea
[02:20] <ruedii> rufus was giving me bad installs for some reason.  I don't know why.  I just created a new drive from my rescue system to install a new one.  After that, I'm going to create an install of Xubuntu on USB as a minimalist rescue system.
[02:21] <ruedii> For future problems.
[02:21] <ruedii> I normally use Kubuntu, but Xubuntu is smaller and more reliable for rescue systems.
[02:21] <ruedii> Xubuntu is my second favorite distro.
[02:22] <ruedii> Welp time to reboot!
[02:24] <jwash> i spin up and destroy kvm virtual machines frequently. is there a good guide on doing virt-clone?
[02:25] <matsaman> jwash: probably
[02:25] <matsaman> you need hardware virtualization?
[02:26] <jwash> not sure what you mean by hardware virtualization, i'm fine with splitting resources of the host
[02:27] <matsaman> most likely you should look at lxc instead of kvm, then
[02:29] <jwash> ok, i'll look at it
[02:30] <jwash> i don't like docker, it works but it's a pain
[02:30] <matsaman> docker is pretty bad indeed
[02:31] <matsaman> kvm is good, but it's massive overkill if you don't need hardware virtualization
[02:31] <matsaman> lxc is probably what you want
[02:31] <jwash> does it offer the strict separation that kvm does?
[02:39] <deltab> no; it's an enhancement of the separation of processes
[02:41] <deltab> normal processes have their own memory but share the filesystem, network interfaces, view of other processes (pid namespace), etc.
[02:42] <deltab> but linux now allows processes to have their own portions of each of those, all running on the same kernel
[03:01] <kontra2> how to check system logs
[03:02] <coventry> I have a lubuntu 20.04 machine which took an update last night, and now can't unlock the LUKS-encrypted drive when I wake it up/reboot it. I am able to unlock the drive if I boot into the machine and mount the drive manually. Have there been any LUKS/cryptsetup issues with recent ubuntu updates?
[03:03] <kontra2> how to check system logs plz
[03:05] <coventry> Problem solved; needed to clean under the shift key. :)
[03:05] <kontra2> waiting for a favorable reply
[03:07] <sarnold> kontra2: journalctl, view /var/log/* etc
[03:07] <sarnold> coventry: *woot* :) scary :)
[03:08] <sarnold> coventry: I was moments away from a reinstall over my LUKS system one day for a very similar reason
[03:13] <ruedii> Now this is crazy.  I shut down my computer, put back in my other GPU, reboot and it works.  This is, of course, after the install disk I was going to reinstall from decided to suddenly stop working on the second reboot.
[03:14] <ruedii> Oh well, it works now.
[03:16] <sarnold> ruedii: hmm, do you have firmware for the 'new' amdgpu available?
[03:16] <sarnold> ruedii: iirc the firmware is *not* optional for amdgpu
[03:39] <ruedii> It works now.
[03:39] <ruedii> The other card was the older one, BTW.  I was using it to isolate the problem.
[03:39] <sarnold> ahhhh
[03:39] <ruedii> I think I had either a bad monitor or a monitor adapter.
[03:39] <sarnold> I wouldn't be surprised if the older card wasn't supported by amdgpu either, depending upon how old it was
[03:40] <sarnold> but if you only used it because you had trouble with the new one... then yeah, bad monitor or adapter is pretty compelling
[03:40] <ruedii> Nope, it should have been an Rx480.
[03:41] <ruedii> As of the other issues, I think some of my BIOS  settings are causing issues too.
[03:41] <ruedii> The monitor I'm using is currently too big for my desk, but I was just thinking I really only need to make a custom mount for it to work.
[03:42] <ruedii> $30 worth of brackets and such could save me $150 on a new monitor.
[03:43] <ruedii> If the monitor was what was bad.  This monitor is nicer anyway.  My dad brought it over when he heard my monitor might be the problem.  It was just lying around.  He used ot use it when he telecommuted to work, but he's retired so he doesn't need an oversized monitor.
[03:45] <ruedii> It sucks that it is literally a centimeter (or half inch) too big for my upper desk nook, so I have to put it on my lower desk, making it too low for my neck and occupying all my desk space.
[03:46] <sarnold> ohhh man. is it easier to modify the monitor or the desk? :)
[03:47] <sarnold> bad positioning for your neck is a recipe for weeks of pain
[06:06] <ruedii> sarnold, the mount for the monitor is the easiest to modify.
[06:06] <kontra2> how to check cpu temperature?
[06:06] <ruedii> kontra2, any number of system tools.
[06:07] <deltab> 'sensors'
[06:07] <kontra2> like neofetch?
[06:07] <ruedii> sensors is the simplist.
[06:09] <kontra2> is it gui?
[06:10] <ruedii> Sensors is a quick command line readout.
[06:11] <kontra2> command to add plz
[06:11] <ruedii> it's part of the lm-sensors package.
[06:12] <deltab> apt install lm-sensors
[06:16] <kontra2> my system is shutting down. where to check in logs for possible causes?
[06:21] <deltab> maybe  journalctl -b -1
[06:24] <kontra2> my system is shutting down while downloading where might be the problem?
[07:18] <joyce72> Hi, so I am running Ubuntu MATE 20.04 LTS, and 2 days ago, something happened where I tried to put my laptop into suspend
[07:18] <joyce72> the laptop froze up, so I did a hard power off
[07:19] <joyce72> after restarting, I am getting a "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'. " and a grub rescue prompt
[07:20] <joyce72> I have followed the instructions here (https://askubuntu.com/questions/397485/what-to-do-when-i-get-an-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-disk-hd0-error), even creating a separate /boot partition to no avail
[07:21] <joyce72> I am still getting the same issue at boot, OR I get the usual grub menu
[07:21] <joyce72> but it doesn't load any of of the kernel options
[07:22] <joyce72> instead showing the same error and then also "you need to load the kernel first"
[07:28] <Aryan> E: Package 'libvirt-bin' has no installation candidate
[07:29] <Aryan> E: Package 'libvirt-bin' has no installation candidate
[07:29] <Aryan> I'm trying to install libvirt-bin.
[07:31] <Aryan> Solved! nevermind.
[09:08] <drzacek> hello there
[09:08] <EriC^^> hello
[09:09] <drzacek> I have upgraded my system last night, and now my vnc doesn't work
[09:12] <drzacek> it looks like .Xauthority is not created
[09:19] <drzacek> http://paste.debian.net/1183687/ here's the service status
[09:30] <adrian_1908> I'm still on 18.04 and want to know if 20.04+ uses systemd to schedule updatedb runs. Can someone check if `updatedb.service` and `updatedb.timer` on exist their system?
[09:31] <adrian_1908> *exist on
[09:38] <ThinkT510> adrian_1908: if they did exist where would they be located?
[09:39] <adrian_1908> ThinkT510: /lib/systemd/system/ (If `locate updatedb.service` doesn't find them, I doubt they're there)
[09:41] <ThinkT510> adrian_1908: I don't see them there. Also doesn't come up when using find from /
[09:42] <adrian_1908> ThinkT510: Ok, thanks for checking. Not sure how Ubuntu does it then, still anacron, or differently named files?
[09:46] <adrian_1908> ThinkT510: Just one more question, does the file `/etc/cron.daily/mlocate` exist on your 20.04+?
[09:48] <ThinkT510> adrian_1908: it does not
[09:48] <adrian_1908> Ok, that's where it's handled on 18.04 apparently.
[09:57] <drzacek> dudes, what creates/updates the .Xauthority file?
[09:58] <drzacek> I thought it\s the dm, upon login? Any reason why it stopped doing that after upgrade?
[09:58] <EriC^^> drzacek: look at the logs of the DM if ithas any
[09:58] <EriC^^> /var/log/lightdm or gdm etc
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> !xauthority
[09:59] <drzacek> I am able to log in just fine, but the x11vnc doesn't work (worked fine before upgrade yesterday)
[10:00] <drzacek> http://paste.debian.net/1183695/ log
[10:01] <drzacek> like, it doesn't even make sense, why does the log looks like it stopped completely, when I am currently logged in
[10:02] <drzacek> oh wait, cause it uses gdm3
[10:02] <EriC^^> drzacek: look at the vnc log i guess
[10:03] <drzacek> http://paste.debian.net/1183697/ service status, don't know where the log is located
[10:08] <EriC^^> drzacek: is the vnc password file correct?
[10:08] <EriC^^> i found this https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=10426#comment-3274
[10:09] <drzacek> EriC^^, hmmmm
[10:10] <drzacek> is it possible that the password file got overwrittten/removed on upgrade?
[10:13] <drzacek> so the password file seems to be fine
[10:15] <drzacek> ah, so they also didn't found any solution in that link
[10:16] <drzacek> https://askubuntu.com/questions/945412/how-to-create-xauthority-file-in-ubuntu-gnome-17-04#977057 uh oh
[10:19] <drzacek> so it has xauthority in /run/user/1000/gdm
[10:19] <drzacek> is it okay to just symlink ~/.Xauthority to /run/user/1000/gdm ?
[10:24] <drzacek> wait, so in theory it should use the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY variables, so I just need to remove the -xauth parameter, lets check if this worked
[10:32] <drzacek> okay, so this didn't worked, it took some random file in var. I just pointed it to the run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority in the systemd service and now it works
[10:32] <drzacek> thanks for help
[10:37] <drzacek> another question - how is the MOTD called?
[10:37] <drzacek> it's not in the /etc/motd file anymore, it's just a bunch of scripts in /etc/update-motd
[10:38] <drzacek> any nice n easy way to call the motd from shell?
[10:44] <perdent> Can I get debug version of ubuntu iso?
[10:46] <perdent> I need to build the kernel myself then?
[10:50] <EriC^^> drzacek: you could use runparts
[10:51] <EriC^^> run-parts /etc/update-motd.d
[10:51] <drzacek> runparts?
[10:51] <drzacek> oh, nice
[10:52] <drzacek> but it looks like it requires sudo for some of the scripts there
[10:52] <drzacek> maybe I'll just add my custom /etc/motd and cat it from bashrc
[10:54] <locsmif_work> The ubuntu packaged composer available isn't 2.0. I can install for with a bunch of PHP commands but I'd rather have a Composer 2.0 deb package. Is this available anywhere?
[10:57] <grady> hi, i can rotate my second screen on tty terminal, something to add to /boot/config-* but what?
[10:57] <grady> *how
[11:13] <tarelerulz> Have any of you  booted an iso from grub? Is 20.10 iso made to do that? Oh I have looked  at Unbuntu official page on the subject os iso booting and those settings  don't  work.
[11:39] <hoover> morning folks! Can somebody help with a weird lvm problem?
[11:39] <hoover> (Ubuntu server 20.04 btw)
[11:41] <grady> just ask
[11:42] <hoover> I created a logical volume in a volume group, initialized it using xfs, all good. I was able to mount the volume and have been using it for about 30 days. Now, after a reboot, the volume / filesystem seems to have disappeared. I can still see the device path but when trying to mount it I get the following error:
[11:42] <hoover> # mount /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 /backup
[11:42] <hoover> mount: /backup: special device /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 does not exist.
[11:42] <hoover> (I hope pasting 2 lines is not frowned upon :-))
[11:43] <hoover> fdisk -l still shows the device just fine:
[11:43] <hoover> Device                          Boot Start        End    Sectors  Size Id Type
[11:43] <hoover> /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1       2048 1258291199 1258289152  600G 83 Linux
[11:43] <EriC^^> hoover: what does "ls -l /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 /backup" show
[11:44] <EriC^^> better use pastebin or the bot will ban you hoover
[11:44] <hoover> the device file in /dev/mapper doesn't exist...
[11:44] <hoover> however it is listed in fdisk's output as a valid device.
[11:45] <EriC^^> try "sudo vgchange -ay" i guess
[11:47] <hoover> I'm seeing both volumes but still cannot mount the 2nd one...
[11:48] <hoover> lv path is shown as /dev/server/backup, just like the other one (lvol0) which mounts just fine
[11:48] <hoover> would I need to reboot after "vgchange -ay" by any chance?
[11:50] <grady> just try mount
[11:50] <dingo766> looking for some help with a cronjob, any one able to assist? It's very simple, I think I am just missing something obvious.
[11:50] <hoover> mount: /backup: special device /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 does not exist.
[11:51] <grady> show your fstab/mount
[11:51] <hoover> I'm a bit worried because the type is listed as "Linux":
[11:51] <hoover> /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1       2048 1258291199 1258289152  600G 83 Linux
[11:52] <hoover> I'm currently trying to mount the volume manually. I have the blkid commented out in /etc/fstab (the entire line in fact)
[11:53] <grady> show your command
[11:53] <hoover> # mount /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 /backup
[11:53] <hoover> mount: /backup: special device /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 does not exist.
[11:53] <hoover> root@zifneu:~# mount /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 /backup
[11:54] <grady> those damn mappers
[11:54] <hoover> Indeed....
[11:56] <hoover> I'll try one more reboot...
[11:57] <grady> "lvm lvs"?
[11:57] <hoover> standby
[11:58] <hoover> It's a physical server so it'll take a few minutes :-)
[12:01] <grady> and does lvm starting with the boot?
[12:02] <hoover> yep, I have another volume that mounts fine
[12:03] <grady> so the partition in that drive on lvm shows as *linux on fdisk? no lvm indications anywhere?
[12:04] <grady> if so, just try mount it directly from /dev/sd* and look what you see there, perhaps it isnt on lvm after all.
[12:04] <dingo766> how do you message someone in chat (focus on them in irc?)
[12:04] <ThinkT510> dingo766: like this
[12:05] <ThinkT510> dingo766: if you mean to message them in private then you'd best ask them for permission first
[12:05] <grady> just /msg nick
[12:05] <dingo766> aye like that think
[12:08] <EriC^^> dingo766: type the first few letters of their nick and hit tab to complete it
[12:08] <dingo766> ThinkT510, test is this it?
[12:09] <ThinkT510> dingo766: yup
[12:09] <dingo766> ThinkT510, weird that it doesnt come up red. But cool.
[12:10] <ThinkT510> dingo766: messages sent to you are the only ones that will be highlighted in your client
[12:10] <WaV> dingo766: When you are highlighted, it is a function of your IRC client to highlight your name in red to let you know that someone is trying to contact you.
[12:12] <dingo766> ThinkT510,  thanks for the basic help =p
[12:13] <dingo766> WaV,  thanks for the help as well
[12:13] <ThinkT510> dingo766: no worries
[12:13] <hoover> yep, it shows as Linux but I'm seeing both lvs in "lvdisplay"
[12:14] <hoover> what I don't understand is why fdisk still shows /dev/mapper/server-backup-part1 when there's no special device for that partition in /dev/mapper
[12:21] <dingo766> looking for some help with a cronjob, any one able to assist? It's very simple, I think I am just missing something obvious.
[12:22] <mra90> I've just inastalled qemu by sudo apt-get install qemu but afte that "qemu" is still unknown command in the shell
[12:22] <mra90> why is that?
[12:23] <mra90> It happens for other packages as well
[12:27] <EriC^^> mra90: type "echo $PATH"
[12:27] <mra90> EriC^^, shouldn't package installer update my PATH during installation?
[12:27] <EriC^^> no
[12:28] <mra90> also how can I find where that qemu was "instaled"
[12:28] <mra90> I try whereis qemu
[12:28] <EriC^^> type "dpkg -L qemu | grep bin"
[12:28] <EriC^^> and "echo $PATH" and it should give the full story
[12:29] <mra90> "dpkg -L qemu | grep bin" -> no output
[12:29] <mra90> I see only doc directories for qemu in "dpkg -L qemu
[12:31] <mra90> so what is wrong with that installation?
[12:35] <mra90> ok I have noticed that in fact shell recognizes qemu-xxx
[12:38] <hoover> /dev/sdb has is the entire raid (1,4TB) and its partition type is indeed "Linux". Can I simply change this to "lvm"?
[12:38] <hoover> Device     Boot Start        End    Sectors  Size Id Type
[12:38] <hoover> /dev/sdb1        2048 2929359451 2929357404  1.4T 83 Linux
[12:38] <hoover> I used "pvcreate /dev/sdb" and then extended the vg with the physical device
[12:39] <hoover> (sorry, pvcreate /dev/sdb1 of course)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:54] <hoover> Also on the working lvm volume I'm not seeing a "Disklabel type: dos" and no "Disk identifier: 0xc98bdc95"
[12:55] <hoover> while those values are shown for the non-working lv
[13:28] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[13:28] <silv3r_m00n> i am connecting to mysql on my server via a tunnel, like this, ssh -N -L 3336:127.0.0.1:3306 root@myserver.com
[13:29] <silv3r_m00n> and then using phpmyadmin on my local machine to work, but its slow, is there some way to speed it up
[13:39] <hoover> Ok, no chance recovering the backup lvm volume, I created a new one in its on volumegroup now. I hope this one survives the next reboot %-/ Thanks for your help all!
[14:20] <sammyg1321> Hi Guys! Im trying to enroll my fingerprint using https://github.com/3v1n0/libfprint and to get the sensor working, but i keep getting this output when running the initializer https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9KmctWYR6h/. Any ideas?
[14:35] <isomari> greetings, how can I format a HD as raw? no dos or gpt signature.
[14:36] <EriC^^> isomari: mkfs.something /path/to/device
[14:37] <EriC^^> e.g. mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdX
[14:37] <EriC^^> but why would you do that?
[14:45] <isomari> EriC^^: kubernetes requires a raw file system for clustering. Drives with signatures seems to refuse to join a cluseter unless they are raw.
[14:45] <EriC^^> isomari: oh ok
[14:46] <lordcirth> isomari, wierd. You can't add a partition? I guess it's made for cloud storage, where block devices are logical
[14:46] <EriC^^> isomari: can't you point them to /dev/sdx1 as the 'disk' ?
[14:49] <isomari> EriC^^: that's produces unpredictable results. K9 wants to see raw. I did it once a while back but I forgot how I did it. Now even if I use wiprfs, I still see a gpt signature.
[14:49] <isomari> k8 not k9
[14:53] <EriC^^> isomari: maybe 'fixparts' program can help removing the gpt data
[14:54] <EriC^^> i think mostly it's a table at the start and a backup table at the end of the disk, if you zero out of the disk at the start and use seek to remove at the end it all gpt should be gone
[15:24] <daysun> how do I know if there are config files to check?
[15:24] <daysun> after upgrades
[15:27] <isomari> EriC^^: I'll give it a shot and see. Thanks
[15:27] <EriC^^> isomari: ok, no problem
[15:28] <EriC^^> daysun: what do you mean by to check?
[15:30] <InvisibleRasta> whats the right way to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.10
[15:30] <InvisibleRasta> i tried with do-release-upgrade but im getting a bunch of errors
[15:31] <daysun> EriC^^: conflicting config files when you've got locally configured ones
[15:31] <daysun> EriC^^: I'm really relaly tired so there may be some inreadable nonsense written here
[15:31] <InvisibleRasta> here is a paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b8Sny9Pt5W/
[15:32] <daysun> Thank you InvisibleRasta. I will consume that
[15:32] <EriC^^> daysun: i see what you mean, im not sure if its for all packages but usually like for grub if there's a new /etc/default/grub and you have one configured it'll ask what you want to do while installing
[15:34] <InvisibleRasta> seems appstream is complaining
[15:39] <daysun> EriC^^: I mostly run unattended upgrades :3
[15:40] <daysun> I understand. Usually it'll ask for interaction.
[15:40] <daysun> That's different from pacman (arch).
[15:44] <EriC^^> yup, i just found the info here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/138751/unattended-upgrades-and-modified-configuration-files
[15:45] <EriC^^> seems even in unattended it asks for it, in the answer there's a way to configure it to do certain actions so it continues, fwiw
[15:45] <EriC^^> daysun: ^
[15:53] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm using Xfce on Ubuntu focal. a game got stuck, how can I quit it? the machine still is alive, the animations in the game continue in their normal way (clouds slowly drifting). the text input cursor in the game's text box still blinks. however, I get no visible effect from typing, or moving the mouse. networking has stopped (SSH dead and no ICMP echo replies). agetty on ttyUSB0 no longer responds. OOM kill via sysrq is enabled and
[15:53] <Sven_vB> usually kills that game if it gets stuck, but today it doesn't. what can I do to regain control?
[15:54] <InvisibleRasta> daysun:  have you been able to fully consume that
[15:55] <gordonjcp> Sven_vB: does ctrl-alt-F1 bring up a terminal?
[15:55] <Sven_vB> gordonjcp, nope. all window manager shortcuts have no effect either.
[15:55] <oerheks> sven, goto tty1, login, and check with ps aux  for processes and kill it?
[15:56] <gordonjcp> Sven_vB: ctrl-alt-Fkey is X rather than WM, but okay
[15:56] <Sven_vB> oerheks, ctrl-alt-f{1..8} have no visible effect
[15:56] <gordonjcp> Sven_vB: just pull the plug then
[15:56] <Sven_vB> gordonjcp, yeah, I added that because if I could switch to workspace 4, there'd be a terminal window
[15:56] <gordonjcp> right, but that ought to switch to a console
[15:57] <gordonjcp> Sven_vB: what's the game, incidentally?
[15:57] <oerheks> indeed, kill the session.
[15:57] <Sven_vB> MineTest 5.3.0-ppa0~ubuntu20.04.1
[15:58] <InvisibleRasta> im not sure on how to get the update donde from bionic to focal https://dpaste.org/k6Wj
[15:58] <Sven_vB> gordonjcp, yeah, I tried switching to consoles. sorry if that still wasn't clear.
[15:59] <oerheks> InvisibleRasta, run proper updates first; sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # and reboot, then try upgrading from the menu again
[16:00] <oerheks> from lts to lts
[16:00] <InvisibleRasta> oerheks:  my system is up to date
[16:00] <ioria> InvisibleRasta, see if this helps : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233417/upgrade-from-18-04-to-20-04-stucked-with-problem-executing-scripts-aptupdate
[16:01] <oerheks> line 25 ?? no, you are not up2date
[16:01] <InvisibleRasta> oerheks:  https://dpaste.org/uy72
[16:04] <oerheks> oh, after that upgrade attempt, a lot of sources are disabled
[16:05] <InvisibleRasta> should i add the focal sources_
[16:08] <gordonjcp> Sven_vB: 240V reset time
[16:17] <Sven_vB> done. unfortunately there's nothing in syslog that could explain it. not even entries about wifi, albeit I unplugged the antenna. (I had hoped re-plugging it could bring network back.)
[16:18] <Sven_vB> ignore previous message, the system clock is very off
[16:28] <Sven_vB> seems like there was a temporary hardware failure in the docking station connector. that would explain all the symptoms.
[16:30] <enigmavbomb> Hello. We're a security minded company that is being alerted by our CVSS monitoring that linux-aws-5.4-headers-5.4.0-1029 are vulnerable but theres no fix? It's been a while. Should we not expect to see remediation?
[16:30] <enigmavbomb> And we're running Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
[16:31] <shinobi> I keep getting disconnected from wifi where it will not reconnect without me selecting the network again. Where do I view network errors / logs?
[16:32] <Sven_vB> enigmavbomb, do you have details about the vulnerability, maybe a CVE number?
[16:32] <enigmavbomb> Sven_vB Yep https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2021-1052
[16:33] <enigmavbomb> Sven_vB Actually: CVE-2021-1052, CVE-2020-28374, CVE-2020-14351, CVE-2020-16120, CVE-2020-4788 All apply.
[16:40] <Sven_vB> enigmavbomb, seems like no-one with a good answer is here at the moment. if you need quick help, commercial support channels could be a better option.
[16:40] <enigmavbomb> Sven_vB I'll try server fault and commercial. Worth a shot:)  I learned docs first, IRC 2nd, then everything else
[16:46] <quem> hi. got an old machine running ubuntu 18.04. i have the OS on a 16GB SD card, and /var, /tmp and swap on a usb key. the latter recently failed and now i'm forced into recovery mode when i try to boot
[16:46] <quem> i guess it's due to the loss of /var.
[16:47] <quem> one of the last messages when it tries to boot is "Failed to start Load AppArmor profiles" or something like that
[16:52] <Sven_vB> quem, I guess various services need a tmp to work, especially if systemd tries to create private homes for them etc.
[16:52] <Sven_vB> quem, you could try using a tmpfs for /tmp
[16:53] <quem> Sven_vB: i've replaced the dead flash memory and made /tmp and /var partitions on it
[16:54] <Sven_vB> quem, have you updated fstab to point to the new tmp?
[16:54] <quem> yes
[16:54] <Sven_vB> quem, does the new tmp show up in output of "mount"?
[16:55] <quem> no, but i assumed that was due to it being in recovery mode. it seems to be using tmpfs
[16:56] <Sven_vB> try "umount /tmp ; mount /tmp"
[16:57] <Sven_vB> oh also make sure you edit the fstab on disk. the /etc/fstab in recovery mode is probably the one from initramfs. actually you may need to regenerate the initramfs as well.
[16:58] <quem> oh, it rememebered the fstab between boots though?
[16:58] <Sven_vB> then I might confuse what recovery mode is.
[16:59] <oerheks> i see 5.4.0.1037 in proposed http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-aws-5.4/linux-aws-5.4_5.4.0-1037.39~18.04.1/changelog
[16:59] <quem> Sven_vB: then we're two. :P
[16:59] <quem> can't mount /tmp even though the uuid is correct...
[17:00] <Sven_vB> quem, does "mount /tmp" give an error message?
[17:00] <quem> yeah... "can't find UUID=4359...."
[17:01] <quem> ohhh!
[17:01] <Sven_vB> quem, I'd try a tmpfs for tmp until you have your system back running, then it's easier to fix.
[17:01] <quem> noticed a typo after re-reading it half a dozen times
[17:01] <quem> 6 for b.... (i wrote it on paper.)
[17:02] <Sven_vB> :) in such cases it's useful to have a serial shell, so you can copy/paste repair commands using a working machine.
[17:02] <quem> now i could mount /tmp but not /var.... *looks for typo again*
[17:03] <Sven_vB> anyway, to me it seems to be a bad idea to use a flash memory stick for /tmp
[17:03] <quem> damn.. my handwritten 0 looks like a d. i write like shit.
[17:03] <quem> yeah i agree.
[17:03] <quem> tmpfs is pure RAM right?
[17:03] <Sven_vB> my fstab has: tmpfs    /tmp    tmpfs   defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777,size=512M 0 2
[17:03] <quem> i had disabled swap on it.
[17:04] <quem> ahh. nice.
[17:04] <quem> but /var on it is fine?
[17:04] <Sven_vB> yes
[17:04] <Sven_vB> my /var holds webspaces and mail. a tmpfs would not suffice there.
[17:04] <quem> ah.
[17:05] <Sven_vB> I'm not sure if there could be edge cases where tmpfs might "leak" data to a disk, but as I understand it, it usually tries to keep data in RAM.
[17:06] <quem> how do i disable swap permanently again?
[17:06] <Sven_vB> and other than a swap partition, I'd wonder where it could write the data
[17:06] <quem> ah
[17:06] <Sven_vB> just don't have a swap partition.
[17:06] <quem> oh. :P
[17:07] <Sven_vB> in theory you could have a swap in filesystems, but you'd probably know it if you had configured that.
[17:07] <Sven_vB> OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised if Ubuntu could detect Windows swap files and use them.
[17:12] <quem> Sven_vB: rebooting now. fingers crossed. :)
[17:15] <dstathis> I'm having an issue with ca-certificates on ubuntu 20.04 that I can't figure out. I have 2 20.04 installations with identical package versions of ca-certificates (20201027ubuntu0.20.04.1). Yet when I run "update-ca-certificates", they generate different files. One makes a working file and the other makes a broken file. Does anyone know if there is a config somewhere that controls the behavior of
[17:15] <dstathis> this command? Is this possibly a bug?
[17:16] <quem> Sven_vB: now i got "Failed to mount Mount unit for core, revision 10583.".. and tossed into recovery mode again. :<
[17:18] <oerheks> dstathis, update-ca-certificates just adds your added certificates, it does not update the bundl from repositories
[17:18] <oerheks> so, what certs did you ads??
[17:19] <dstathis> oerheks I didn't add any certs (at least manually). Where are these defined?
[17:20] <oerheks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man8/update-ca-certificates.8.html
[17:21] <oerheks> and some more reading https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97244/list-all-available-ssl-ca-certificates
[17:21] <Sven_vB> quem, no idea what a "Mount unit for core" is, and my search engine doesn't either.
[17:22] <Sven_vB> oh it seems to be snap-core-*.mount, I think you can ignore that
[17:23] <Sven_vB> I don't use snaps anyway :)
[17:23] <quem> how do i tell the system to ignore that too so it can boot properly? :D
[17:24] <dstathis> thanks oerheks
[17:26] <lordcirth> quem, "systemctl disable snapd" ought to work, I think
[17:28] <Sven_vB> systemd should really show unit names additinoally, if the previous boot failed.
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> try stacer to manage your systemd services GUI
[17:29] <dstathis> oerheks looks like I had a cert in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates. Removing it fixed the problem. Thank you so much
[18:06] <neckutrek> is there a tool i can use to script a custom ubuntu installation and create a iso image for it? I'm thinking sort of like a Dockerfile
[18:07] <neckutrek> but an iso i can dd to a bootable media
[18:09] <leftyfb> neckutrek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization   # first result on google when searching for "ubuntu custom iso"
[18:10] <leftyfb> neckutrek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization   # 2nd result
[18:10] <leftyfb> neckutrek: https://linuxhint.com/customize_ubuntu_iso_create_spin/   # 3rd result
[18:10] <puff> I have a fairly old HP scanner that I've been using on my thinkpad 520 running an older version of ubuntu.  I just tried to plug it into my newer thinkpad running ubuntu 18.04 LTS and Simple Scan is saying no scanner found.
[18:10] <neckutrek> leftyfb thank you thank you
[18:11] <puff> When I plug the USB cable in and unplug it, the scanner makes motor noise, so *something* is happening...
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> puff: you might need to install a higher hplip version
[18:11] <puff> lotuspsychje: aha.
[18:12] <puff> Doh, it's an Epson Perfection V200 Photo
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> puff: so no HP eh?
[18:13] <puff> yeah
[18:13] <puff> https://dans-things.com/index.php/2019/01/16/how-to-get-epson-perfection-v200-photo-flatbed-scanner-working-with-ubuntu-18-04-1/
[18:13] <puff> Well, I have an HP CM3530 MFP scanner/printer, that I need to figure out how to get working, one of these days.
[18:13] <puff> Really I want to set up a raspberry pi or something to be a print/scan server for it.
[18:16] <catbehemoth> most of the documentation about joining AD with ubuntu refers to realm (sssd), I need to create shares with samba on the same box, am I better off not using realm at all and simply use winbind or use it with --membership-software=samba --client-software=winbind? I can't see to find any documentation discussing both in one go. It either join AD with realm or share stuff with samba and winbind.
[18:16] <catbehemoth> Nothing like red hat docs that have you use winbind or sssd depending on your needs. Will redhat 8 instructions work on ubuntu?
[18:18] <eelstrebor> anybody using webcamoid on ubuntu 18.04? the package manager installs a version that keeps crashing at startup and the .run file from the developers website starts up but behaves in a bizarre fashion
[18:20] <oerheks> eelstrebor, something like this ? https://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg5842641.html
[18:20] <shinobi> Does the Videos application play DVDs?
[18:21] <oerheks> shinobi, yes, after you did the dvd tweak
[18:21] <shinobi> oerheks: what tweak?
[18:21] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[18:21] <oerheks> sudo apt install libdvd-pkg && sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[18:21] <oerheks> and restart the media app
[18:24] <tete_> hi, i have the mainline kernel and wondering if anyone else has problems with the nvidia driver since 5.10.9 or so?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> eelstrebor: webcamoid working on 20.04, no crashes here
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> tete_: are you using mainline kernel(s) for a specific reason?
[18:29] <tete_> yes because my sound card was not supported, there were some bugs with the jack detection etc. which got fixed later
[18:29] <oerheks> without more info, like nvidia driver, and what gpu...
[18:29] <tete_> 1080ti, atm 450 driver, just switched to 460
[18:30] <tete_> for testing i switched to 460 if it compiles but seems like i get the same error (at least the dialog popped up with an error)
[18:30] <oerheks> 5.10 is a test kernel, so it is not likely one of us is runing that.
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> 'problems'
[18:33] <tete_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pW7wRpVBFx/ a bit different error but guess its just incompatible
[18:33] <tete_> so i have to stay with 5.10.9
[18:34] <oerheks> and why lowlatency? linux-headers-5.10.12-051012-lowlatency
[18:35] <tete_> because i play guitar
[18:35] <oerheks> ...
[18:35] <tete_> ...? i need that for guitarix etc.
[18:35] <shinobi> oerheks: I did as the article prescribed and still have no luck playing dvds.
[18:36] <eelstrebor> lotuspsychje, i tried upgrading to 20.04 but had problems with it - i don't remember what issue i had but i wasn't happy having to roll back to 18.04.5
[18:36] <eelstrebor> especially the server box
[18:36] <oerheks> shinobi, i do not recall to do so, but maybe you need to run updates again?
[18:36] <shinobi> ok
[18:37] <oerheks> else, try some different dvd´ s, some will not play. as stated in the wiki.
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> see also vlc player
[18:37] <oerheks> gnome-mpv should do great, but vlc is more populair
[18:39] <puff> Sigh... I've been using Unix for over 30 years and printing and scanning is *still* a pain in the ass...
[18:39] <shinobi> oerheks - Error - The playback of this movie requires a DVD source plugin which is not installed. (But it doesn't tell me which one :)  )
[18:39] <tete_> puff, especially over wifi/lan with samsung printers ;)
[18:40] <oerheks> shinobi, tried a reboot too?
[18:40] <ioria> Shibe, totem is based on gstreamer (you probably need gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly); but check if ubuntu-rerstricted-extras is installed; if not install and reboot
[18:41] <ioria> shinobi, ^^ totem is based on gstreamer (you probably need gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly); but check if ubuntu-rerstricted-extras is installed; if not install and reboot
[18:41] <shinobi> oerheks - not yet. I will at a better time
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> puff: are you trying to get the epson working or the hp?
[18:42] <puff> lotuspsychje: The epson.
[18:42] <shinobi> iora - already is. I'll reboot in a short while. Hopefully that's it
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> puff: the device might be too old, out of databse perhaps?
[18:43] <puff> lotuspsychje: Aha, I think it's working.
[18:43] <puff> lotuspsychje: Found the driver file, downloaded it, ran install.sh, ran Simple Scan, no scanner found.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> the no scanner found has been problematic a lot
[18:44] <puff> lotuspsychje: However, just now I unplugged/replugged the power and then the USB cable, then re-ran install.sh, then opened Simple Scan and now it works.
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[18:48] <puff> Me too, I just wish it didn't involve so many dead chickens.
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> puff: 18.04 has a few known bugs about that, also the hplip higher version needed for some hp models for example
[18:52] <puff> Yeah
[18:52] <puff> I really need to upgrade to the more recent version, but I'm in the middle of a project and I also want to swap a larger drive in before I do that.
[18:52] <puff> Really, I guess I'll just swap the larger drive in and install from scratch to the newest version.
[18:52] <puff> Though I'm seriously thinking about going back to xubuntu.
[18:54] <puff> Not to start a holy war or anything, but I decided to give the standard Ubuntu UI a try this time, just on general principles and in part so I wouldn't be lost if I have to help somebody running Unity.
[18:54] <puff> Wait, is Unity dead? Or more to the point, if I move to the latest Ubuntu will the desktop look more like classic pre-Unity ubuntu or more like Unity?
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> lets continue in #ubuntu-discuss puff
[18:54] <puff> ok
[19:06] <pendarsoheil> why is there an extra extend partition in ubuntu
[19:36] <EriC^^> pendarsoheil: pastebin 'sudo parted -ls'
[19:51] <bunnyapocalypse> Hi. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 20.10 onto a USB drive. It hangs at "Almost finished copying files" every time though
[19:55] <nikolam> bunnyapocalypse, tried with another USB image? Booting into Live Desktop and then running install or doing install without bootig into desktop? Try installing directly, without booting to Live session.
[19:55] <EriC^^> bunnyapocalypse: there's a button at the bottom to the left that opens the terminal, you might be able to see what it's hanging on
[19:56] <EriC^^> also are you letting it do the integrity/checksum when the live usb starts booting?
[19:57] <bunnyapocalypse> I've tried both methods of installation (from live and without going to live), and I have let it do the integrity check at boot as well.
[19:58] <bunnyapocalypse> I did open the terminal monitor there, but didnt see anything that seemed to have gone very wrong
[19:58] <TJ-> bunnyapocalypse: it might help to use "Try Ubuntu" install method so you can run a Terminal and then monitor the kernel log with "journalctl -k -f" in case I/O errors are being reported
[20:50] <dabblerdude> Hey everyone.
[20:50] <sarnold> wb
[20:51] <dabblerdude> sarnold: Thank you.
[21:14] <dabblerdude> Hey Bashing-om, if you're online right now, I got some output from dmesg after my desktop froze up: https://imgur.com/a/vbm2hOf
[21:16] <dabblerdude> As I was looking at the output from dmesg, I kept seeing the words "kernel taint" in there.
[21:17] <sarnold> dabblerdude: hmm, I think I've heard that nvidia + vbox has troubles
[21:18] <dabblerdude> sarnold: I do have the latest version of Virtualbox installed on my PC. Did you see the output?
[21:18] <sarnold> dabblerdude: yeah, it's because I saw the output that I'm thinking you might want to try unloading the virtualbox modules for a while and see if that helps
[21:22] <jfcaron_> I am trying to build a really old software package, in the ./configure step it says configure: error: Cannot find GLIB: is glib-config in path?
[21:22] <jfcaron_> glib-config is not in path and I don't know what package provides it.
[21:23] <jfcaron_> It says it need GLIB - version >= 1.2.0 which I'm pretty sure I beat by like 15 years.
[21:25] <sarnold> jfcaron_: there are old packages from 2004--2007 in here that might help http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glib1.2/
[21:26] <sarnold> it might be easier to install an ancient release
[21:28] <jfcaron_> hrm
[21:28] <jfcaron_> I guess no one has needed a live audio spectrogram since 2007.
[21:28] <dabblerdude> sarnold: By unloading the virtualbox modules, do you mean uninstall Virtualbox completely?
[21:30] <sarnold> dabblerdude: if that's the easiest way to do that, yeah
[21:31] <dabblerdude> sarnold: I'm not sure how to individually unload the Virtualbox modules.
[21:31] <sarnold> jfcaron_: why I've used two different tools for that on my android phone in the last year :)
[21:31] <jfcaron_> I've tried on my iphone but the apps are all crap.
[21:31] <sarnold> dabblerdude: better is to keep them from loading in the first place -- unloading kernel modules is not a safe operation. (You can usually get away with it, but it's by accident only. :)
[21:31] <jfcaron_> They don't let you pause the display, or they just display a single note, not the spectrum.
[21:32] <jfcaron_> And obviously since it's iOS they don't let you actually get the numbers out.
[21:33] <dabblerdude> sarnold: How do I keep them from loading, then? All I can think of is to get rid of Virtualbox completely.
[21:34] <sarnold> dabblerdude: there's an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf that is read by modprobe -- but if they make explicit insmod calls in a startup script or something similar, you might have to take more drastic actions
[21:41] <dabblerdude> sarnold: I don't want to take any risks. I might consider using VMWare Player if Virtualbox is giving me problems.
[21:43] <sarnold> dabblerdude: I have to imagine that'll give the same problems -- mixing two out of tree kernel modules that do *deep* kernel things is going to be strange
[21:43] <sarnold> dabblerdude: using libvirt with qemu is probably a better choice
[21:44] <dabblerdude> sarnold: libvirt? Is that another virtualization program?
[21:46] <sarnold> dabblerdude: yeah, there's some notes on using it at https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/virtualization-libvirt
[21:47] <sarnold> dabblerdude: you also might like to install the virt-manager package, I find it very friendly
[21:48] <dabblerdude> Libvirt is one option for me. I could also use Virtualbox on Windows since I'm dual booting on my system.
[22:04] <r1ppa> I have 2 servers behind company proxy, one works the other fails to apt update with the apt.llvm.org repo added, keep getting certificate verification failed. I have added the ca certs and verified all /etc/ssl/certs on the working machine then ran update-ca-certificates on the other machine and still get the error, any ideas?
[22:17] <oerheks> i recall a ca-certificates update today, 10 revoked
[22:18] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4719-1
[22:23] <jpmh> I want to be able to position cursor and things like that in a bash script - I do not want to hard code for any particular terminal.  How can I generate the appropriate sequences from I assume terminfo?
[22:27] <locsmif_work> jpmh: somewhat .. euh... ugly way: https://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x361.html
[22:28] <jpmh> locsmif_work: no - that hard codes for ansi terminals - this is what I want to avoid
[22:28] <locsmif_work> jpmh: tput then?
[22:29] <locsmif_work> Or is that ANSI also? No idea.
[22:29] <jpmh> locsmif_work: I can see how to clear wirth tput - how do I do other things like cursor address?
[22:29] <locsmif_work> jpmh: http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_adv_tput.php
[22:29] <jpmh> no - tput I think is WHAT I WANT
[22:30] <locsmif_work> I'm not sure it isn't ANSI
[22:31] <jpmh> locsmif_work: no -is is what  I need I thik, just cant find how to send commands
[22:31] <locsmif_work> https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/037
[22:31] <locsmif_work> Ok it's good, that source is Greg who I trust completely
[22:32] <locsmif_work> Oh, lol, but he disagrees down the page, hahaha
[22:32] <locsmif_work> Oh well...
[22:34] <jpmh> locsmif_work: I have tput clear and tput cup x y for clear and position - I just want the other capabiity names I think
[22:34] <locsmif_work> Actually, and I apologise, I'm not quite clear on who supports what in that discussion. It *appears* Greg is actually on your side.
[22:43] <jpmh> locsmif_work: I found it: https://www.gnu.org/software/termutils/manual/termutils-2.0/html_chapter/tput_1.html#:~:text=Portable%20Terminal%20Control-,tput%20%3A%20Portable%20Terminal%20Control,the%20terminal%20type%20being%20used.
[22:46] <locsmif_work> Unfortunately I don't get the highlighting I think that is supposed to cause when visiting the page, but if you're trying to say it's indeed portable, then yes
[22:50] <ruedii> Your best bet for moving the cursor and such is just using curses output.
[22:51] <ruedii> There are several utilities in the curses bundled for shell scripts.
[22:51] <ruedii> and even more that use curses.
[22:59] <phillipsjk> So my computer has been displaying this for over 2 days, so I think it is frozen (did not want to interrupt drive activity light): https://phillipsjk.ca/images/IMG_20210131_1736240.jpg
[23:00] <phillipsjk> I made to mistake of posisbly changing two things: was testing for damage after having it exposed to -20C overnight (pest control). Bt I also allowd proposed updates to proceed.
[23:02] <phillipsjk> My configuration is not completely supported: madm RAID 1, and rocm drivers are installed. I was assuming RAID rebuild due to improper shut-down; but with health disks that should have completed after 10 hours.
[23:04] <phillipsjk> I am thinking maybe trying to load an older kernle would help if a new one was incompletely installed. (Probably want to check drive health with a rescue CD first).
[23:05] <phillipsjk> But if that is a commom point to get stuck on boot, that info would be helpful.
[23:08] <phillipsjk> possibly related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1836914
[23:11]  * phillipsjk is not even sure what those snap FS are even supposed to do.
[23:21] <phillipsjk> OK, looks like power cycling allowed it to boot this time. Looking like video card failure again. I'll keep a closer eye on the temperature for retesting, but want to check logs first.
[23:43] <phillipsjk> Ok, installed smartmontools and both drives passed the short self-test.
[23:44] <matsaman> good, then you've learned the only lesson there is to learn regarding smartmontools & SMART data: they're a waste of time
[23:45] <sarnold> lol
[23:46] <phillipsjk> matsaman, I am running redundant drives using a filesystem that does not do checksums on all the data. If a drive fails, I want to know so I can replace it.
[23:47] <matsaman> "redundant drives"?
[23:47] <phillipsjk> RAID 1
[23:48] <matsaman> okay, well
[23:48] <matsaman> are you doing that so your whole system has better data access speeds, at the cost of hardware lifespan?
[23:48] <matsaman> because that's what RAID is for
[23:50] <phillipsjk> my BSD system just uses ZFS "# zpool scrub zroot" ... "zpool status" is all I need to do to check integrity.
[23:50] <matsaman> you can use zfs with Ubuntu if you like
[23:50] <phillipsjk> I want to avoid licensing issues.
[23:50] <matsaman> or btrfs, which less mature but will probably outlast zfs in the long term
[23:51] <matsaman> what licensing issues?
[23:51] <phillipsjk> NoT GPL compatible.
[23:51] <matsaman> mmm, I prefer GPL software myself, but what does ZFS's license really do that is a problem for you?
[23:52] <matsaman> there's probably a btrfs analogue to 'zpool status', however
[23:52] <matsaman> https://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/battle-testing-data-integrity-verification-with-zfs-btrfs-and-mdadm-dm-integrity.html
[23:52] <phillipsjk> I don't have a problem with the license, but it is incompatible with the GPL use by the linux kernel.
[23:52] <matsaman> https://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/battle-testing-data-integrity-verification-with-zfs-btrfs-and-mdadm-dm-integrity.html#btrfs-drive-failure
[23:53] <matsaman> phillipsjk: that's not an actual problem, as evidenced by so many people using ZFS with so many distros
[23:53] <matsaman> it's a problem for ZFS's longevity, IMO
[23:53] <matsaman> because people will want to contribute to GPL software more, but
[23:53] <matsaman> not really a problem for you personally using it, now, if you want
[23:54] <phillipsjk> We should nove this oftopic.
[23:54] <pi0> i install minimal version of ubuntu, however i do not have miminuze nor the middle option in my apps https://i.imgur.com/ySJtm5o.png
[23:54] <matsaman> not really anything else to say on the matter anyway
[23:54] <pi0> just the (x)
[23:54] <matsaman> pi0: are they not on the top left side?
[23:55] <matsaman> pi0: or if you hover over the bar?
[23:55] <pi0> unfortunately they aren't on the left
[23:55] <pi0> and nothing happens when i hover over them
[23:56] <matsaman> pi0: this is plain 'Ubuntu' flavor?
[23:57] <matsaman> pi0: perhaps this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/651347/how-to-bring-back-minimize-and-maximize-buttons-in-gnome-3
[23:58] <pi0> whoop
[23:58] <pi0> whew
[23:58] <pi0> i didnt know what to do
[23:58] <pi0> worked!!!
[23:59] <matsaman> cool
[23:59] <matsaman> lovely GNOME, always changing the rules