[02:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> https://9to5linux.com/meet-the-ubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hippo-artwork-by-sylvia-ritter-made-with-krita
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> lucky it fits on my screen :p
[03:51] <karmelsx> Hello
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: a liveusb should be slower then the physical install on ssd
[03:51] <karmelsx> i have 12gb of ram that is quickly consumed by ubuntu and i have a low-end processor.
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> usb speed vs sata
[03:51] <karmelsx> so i think the kde neon is a big improvement for me.
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> what cpu do you have?
[03:51] <karmelsx> because it runs significantly better on the usb drive than does my ubuntu on the ssd.
[03:52] <karmelsx> Intel Pentium 3805U 1.9 GHz
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> that doesnt make sense karmelsx
[03:52] <karmelsx> what doesn't make sense?
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> runs better from a live
[03:52] <karmelsx> the kde neon runs better on the usb drive than ubuntu runs on the installed ssd
[03:52] <karmelsx> ubuntu is using the latest gnome. i have the latest ubuntu installed, not the stable, but the latest 20 version.
[03:53] <karmelsx> so i think kde neon is significantly better for my hardware than normal ubuntu.
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> kde isnt known as being lightweight
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> and gnome these days likes more then 4GB ram
[03:54] <karmelsx> i have 12gb of ram.
[03:54] <karmelsx> "There is absolutely no reason to install it, since it uses the same package repositories as Ubuntu and you can transform any Ubuntu install into a Ubuntu MATE install."
[03:54] <karmelsx> how do i make my ubuntu into ubuntu mate, and is that a good idea vs installing ubuntu mate?
[03:55] <karmelsx> says about kde neon: "It's a really sparse, bare-bones system, no automatic driver install for example. It can be quite hard for someone not used to Linux."
[03:55] <karmelsx> yet when i plugged in my printer when testing kde neon on the usb, it detected it right away, and my printer is very old.
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: you can test any desktop flavour ontop an ubuntu base/flavour but if you like one, we usually reccomend to clean install it
[03:57] <karmelsx> so you think lubuntu is significantly better for lower end hardware than kde neon?
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> yes
[03:58] <karmelsx> i used to use ubuntu mate, and then along the way i moved to regular ubuntu. the ubuntu is nicer than ubuntu mate, but it's taxing my hardware too much.
[03:58] <karmelsx> which do you like better and why, lubuntu or ubuntu mate?
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> tweak your system yourself karmelsx
[03:58] <karmelsx> tweak it how?
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> i ran gnome on ubuntu for years with 2GB ram on an amd 3200+
[03:58] <karmelsx> the gnome 3 seems the culprit with cpu and memory leaks. after i have the system running for a while, even when i close all the applications, it benefits from a fresh restart.
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: sudo apt install haveged preload stacer bleachbit
[03:59] <karmelsx> you don't think gnome leaks more memory and cpu than kde?
[03:59] <karmelsx> gnome is based largely on javascript from what i know. kde maybe is coded better?
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: tweak startup applications, disabled unwanted systemd services, uninstall unwanted packages, use light weight apps
[04:01] <karmelsx> i installed the bleachbit now
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> shred your system from junk files with stacer and bleachbit
[04:01] <karmelsx> seems quite a sophisticated tool for experts
[04:02] <karmelsx> what's a safe way to remove startup services?
[04:02] <karmelsx> why would unwanted packages i'm not using affect my daily performance?
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: depends on your use case
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> i disable cups from laptops that doesnt need printing for example
[04:03] <karmelsx> i need printing though
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> braille support...
[04:03] <karmelsx> this bleachbit seems mainly a cleaner
[04:03] <karmelsx> not sure how it's going to help my performance
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> every bit helps karmelsx
[04:04] <karmelsx> so what do you like, lubuntu or ubuntu mate and why?
[04:05] <karmelsx> not sure gnome 2 is better for me than gnome 3.
[04:05] <karmelsx> gnome 2 is really old. at least with kde neon i get the latest kde plasma code.
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> i like lubuntu best for older machines, but thats my opinion
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> a lot of users love mate and xubuntu aswell
[04:06] <karmelsx> what's better about xubuntu vs lubuntu?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> gnome classic can also still be installed from the repos
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> personal likings karmelsx cant compare apples with pears
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> every flavours has pros and contras
[04:08] <karmelsx> are you a ubuntu dev?
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> no karmelsx im a volunteer helping a bit here and there
[04:48] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[07:06] <ducasse> good morning
[07:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> puff: did you pick a flavour yet?
[11:52] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Is it tomorrow? 20.04.2?
[11:53] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember the day
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: lsb_release -a
[11:53] <marcoagpinto> what?
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> type it in your terminal
[11:54] <marcoagpinto> I don't have the VM runnin
[11:54] <marcoagpinto> I don't have the VM running
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> oh are you spying us from windows again ehh
[11:54] <marcoagpinto> I use Windows
[11:55] <marcoagpinto> my VMs are only to compile my app and visit dangerous sites
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> let me show you mine, Description:	Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[11:55] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[11:55] <marcoagpinto> it is out then
[11:55] <marcoagpinto> good to know... thanks
[11:57] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaa... I don't want to go on holiday any more this year
[11:57] <marcoagpinto> because one needs to do the COVID test at work when we return
[11:57] <marcoagpinto> luckily it gave negative, but it is too much stress
[14:42] <Maik> marcoagpinto: 20.04.2 isos will be released on the 4th of february, tomorrow
[14:42] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[14:42] <marcoagpinto> cool
[14:42] <Maik> those running a LTS release are already on 20.04.2 because of the updates
[14:42] <marcoagpinto> I ran the VMs and they had .2 in the about window
[14:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:43] <Maik> the daily builds of yesterday are being tested at the moment
[14:43] <Maik> Ubuntu MATE looks ready to go