[23:00] <toddy> o/
[23:03] <teward> *grumble*
[23:03] <toddy> hi teward
[23:04] <toddy> Everyone here?
[23:04] <linaporras> Hi teward and toddy :)
[23:04] <jose> here
[23:04] <jose> that makes quorum
[23:04] <linaporras> Hi jose
[23:04] <toddy> hi linaporras
[23:05] <jose> let's get started
[23:05] <toddy> ok
[23:05] <toddy> #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Council Meeting
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[23:05] <toddy> #chair linaporras teward jose toddy
[23:06] <meetingology> Current chairs: jose, linaporras, teward, toddy
[23:06] <toddy> Welcome everyone to the Ubuntu Community Council Meeting!
[23:06] <toddy> We have an agenda for this meeting.
[23:06] <toddy> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-topics-community-council-meeting-20210203/
[23:07] <toddy> If you have another topics please add them to the agenda.
[23:07] <toddy> #topic Old business
[23:07] <toddy> #subtopic Local Communities Research Committee
[23:08] <toddy> #info The call for nominations of the LCRC will close Saturday, February 6, 2021 23:59 UTC.
[23:08] <jose> I believe we're missing Africa and Oceania?
[23:08] <toddy> that is this Saturday!
[23:08] <toddy> jose: yes that is true
[23:08] <toddy> the other 4 regions have nominations
[23:08] <jose> do we have anyone we could reach out for suggestions on nominations for those regions?
[23:10] <toddy> hmm, not so much ideas :(
[23:10] <jose> I don't know of a lot of people in those regions
[23:11] <jose> I could put out some social media posts asking for people in those two regions
[23:11] <linaporras> Me neither...
[23:11] <linaporras> Yes jose, that's a good idea...
[23:11] <linaporras> And maybe at the discourse  item, remark that?
[23:12] <toddy> we can update the post at the community hub
[23:12] <toddy> about that fact
[23:12] <linaporras> I agree with that!
[23:12] <toddy> and social media too
[23:12] <jose> sounds good
[23:12] <jose> I'm drafting something in social media now
[23:13] <toddy> #action jose write a post for the LCRC in social media
[23:13] <meetingology> ACTION: jose write a post for the LCRC in social media
[23:13] <jose> #link https://twitter.com/JoseeAntonioR/status/1357104913050918912
[23:14] <jose> I'll see if I can post something in linkedin but I just want to make sure it doesn't sound like a job offer
[23:14] <toddy> retweet :)
[23:15] <toddy> #action toddy write an update in the community hib about the LCRC missing regions
[23:15] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy write an update in the community hib about the LCRC missing regions
[23:15] <toddy> linkedin always sounds like job offer for me
[23:16] <jose> yeah I will make sure it's VERY explicit on that it's not one
[23:16] <toddy> ok
[23:16] <wxl> (p.s. i'm here)
[23:16] <toddy> #chair wxl
[23:16] <linaporras> jajaja I agree with u jose, clarify is not a job offer!
[23:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: jose, linaporras, teward, toddy, wxl
[23:16] <linaporras> hi wxl
[23:16] <wxl> hi lina!
[23:17] <toddy> #action jose write at linkedin about the LCRC missing regions
[23:17] <meetingology> ACTION: jose write at linkedin about the LCRC missing regions
[23:18] <toddy> ok, than we will see if we get some people from this regions
[23:18] <toddy> We have planned that we make the voting after Saturday.
[23:19] <jose> Otherwise, we're going to have to make a separate call for those regions, but I'm hopeful we'll find someone
[23:20] <toddy> ok, anything else about this topic?
[23:20] <jose> I just want to say, we've gotten some promising candidates :)
[23:20] <linaporras> I agree with jose... but in order to not delay the work of the research comitee, maybe we can agree to vote for the people of regions that have nominees, what do you think?
[23:21] <linaporras> and launch the separate call... after.. just in case we don't find people on those regions
[23:21] <jose> I'd be willing to make that compromise. Get started with what we have, and add people later on if needed.
[23:22] <toddy> yes, that sounds good.
[23:22] <jose> #link https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joseantonio-rey_local-communities-research-committee-activity-6762872891257180160-bPh5
[23:22] <toddy> So we have a vote after Saturday
[23:23] <jose> agreed
[23:23] <toddy> fine
[23:23] <toddy> #subtopic IRC Council and the current status of memberships
[23:23] <jose> hmm, nhaines is not here to report
[23:23] <teward> i'd say we can move getting the status update on that to the ML
[23:24] <jose> I just poked him elsewhere
[23:24] <teward> and just poke the heck out of nhaines
[23:24] <teward> (not everything needs to be in the meeting esp. if they aren't here)
[23:24] <toddy> agreed
[23:24] <linaporras43> Hi again, I have a tech problem.
[23:24] <jose> wb
[23:24] <jose> and sounds good
[23:24] <toddy> #topic News business
[23:25] <teward> there's one thing the past 2 weeks that landed on my plate
[23:25] <teward> TB wanted their ML 'about' changed, and that was done.
[23:25] <teward> and I also poked IRCC about the confusion RE: the two cloaks that exist on IRC.
[23:25] <teward> asked them to rediscuss and come back with their thoughts
[23:26] <toddy> teward: ok
[23:26] <teward> so that's two things.
[23:26] <teward> (i need to grab another water, back in like 30 seconds)
[23:26] <toddy> Should we talk about the Google Summer of Code?
[23:27] <jose> we can, for a little bit
[23:27] <toddy> #info Deadline for the registration of organisations for the Google Summer of Code is February 19, 2021.
[23:27] <toddy> #link https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
[23:27] <toddy> we have talk about it at the mailing list
[23:28] <jose> I personally don't think that we're at the point where we can support this since it requires direct mentorship. But we can aim to get ready to participate next year. What do you say?
[23:28] <wxl> i think google code-in is a really good project for us
[23:28] <wxl> google summer of code is better for upstreams
[23:29] <wxl> or those rare cases we have our own thing going on (snaps/snapcraft, multipass, whatever this new installer is, etc.)
[23:29] <teward> though the new stuff and etc. probably needs a Canonical eye on it
[23:29] <wxl> that's kind of what i was rthinking, too
[23:29] <teward> because IIRC the 'new installer' is being Canonical driven
[23:29] <teward> so the CC isn't the proper place for *that* discussion
[23:29] <wxl> nopers
[23:30] <toddy> should we talk about that with canonical?
[23:30] <jose> I'm working on something that will probably help with that relationship
[23:30] <jose> give me a few weeks
[23:30] <wxl> alternately we can work with upstreams
[23:30] <teward> jose: don't have time for GSoC
[23:30] <wxl> maybe after we find out who is accepted, we see if we can't organize some help for them
[23:31] <teward> making a point :P
[23:31] <jose> no no I meant the relationship, not gsoc
[23:31] <teward> ah
[23:31] <teward> err:nocontext
[23:31] <teward> :P
[23:31] <teward> *yawns*
[23:31] <toddy> :D
[23:33] <wxl> are we done with that topic?
[23:33] <toddy> I think so.
[23:33] <wxl> i have another thing i'd like to bring up
[23:33] <toddy> sorry, was a minute away
[23:34] <toddy> ok, wxl
[23:34] <wxl> i brought this up on irc but i really think we should do some sort of memorial or something in memory of infinity
[23:34] <jose> go ahead
[23:34] <wxl> ok XD
[23:34] <wxl> anyone care what or how or anything?
[23:35] <jose> maybe an annal?
[23:35] <jose> we have action items in launchpad so we can get them from there
[23:36] <wxl> ok that will do then
[23:36] <wxl> i don't think i have anything else
[23:36] <toddy> any other things?
[23:37] <toddy> #topic Any other business
[23:37] <teward> not really a CC *task* but for awareness: I did prod the TB about the recent... shall I call it "concerning chaos"... regarding the 5.8.x kernel regressions across the boards
[23:37] <teward> they pretty quickly got a post-mortem out via Discord and wxl and the Lubuntu Team also have a bulletpoint summary as well on their Discourse
[23:37] <teward> (i felt it was necessary to prod the TB and get something from SOMEONE about what 'went wrong')
[23:37] <teward> but that's just a "i did this" bullet point :)
[23:38] <jose> nice one!
[23:38] <teward> felt the Community at large needed to know :P
[23:38] <wxl> yeah great work on that teward. that was much needed
[23:38] <toddy> sounds great. :)
[23:38] <linaporras43> +1
[23:38] <teward> while we delegate the tech stuff to TB, as a community member myself seeing Ask Ubuntu have **tons** of "My hardware was working then update BOOM" stuff, i wanted to get stuff rolling ;)
[23:38] <teward> at least they're on top of things now and working to fix the regressions :P
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[23:39] <wxl> it may be true that those regressions are fixed
[23:39] <teward> i'm seeing less and less complaints, my guess is they've been trying to fix any major regressions before the .2 release, which Makes Sense
[23:39] <teward> but i'm glad the Release Team came back with a postmortem about what happened
[23:40] <wxl> i asked a few questions there and they seem to be responding so that's all good
[23:40] <wxl> and the actual problem was far more complicated that it had originally seemed
[23:40] <wxl> anywho
[23:41] <toddy> any other things/topics?
[23:41] <wxl> one other thing about the TB: the mailing list got a bunch of bounces from members
[23:41] <teward> yep.  BUT I wanted to make it known that, while I didn't go to the TB with the CC hat on to open that 'can of worms' that needed cleaned and discussed, I did express that "On behalf of the "Community AT Large"..." which sort of implies CC.
[23:41] <wxl> from what i can tell the ML removed them
[23:41] <teward> wxl: yeah, want me to check with IS on them?
[23:41] <teward> possible OldAccounts went away
[23:41] <wxl> i'm not sure we should be concerned or not
[23:41] <teward> wxl: to be fair I see bounce notifications all the time
[23:42] <wxl> yeah this seemed odd to me but that may be just me
[23:42] <teward> wxl: i don't think we need to be worried - that's from all subscribers to the TB list
[23:42] <teward> not the TB members themselves
[23:42] <wxl> there were several canonical names in there so i don't know
[23:42] <teward> (and yes the TB list DOES have a lot of subs)
[23:42] <teward> wxl: I'll reach out to IS and see if they can confirm accounts are bouncing because removals, etc.
[23:42] <wxl> i only saw the messages the one time
[23:42] <teward> other item of interest: discuss with linaporras about IRC boucners, it'll solve their timing out and exploding problems.
[23:42] <wxl> so they appeared to be fatal
[23:42] <teward> wxl: you only get once - when it says it halts delivery permanently.
[23:43] <wxl> or just use matrix!
[23:43] <teward> if we see messages agan I'll poke IS
[23:43] <wxl> that's the one
[23:43] <jose> thanks, no thanks
[23:43] <toddy> thanks, teward
[23:44] <toddy> anything else?
[23:44] <wxl> nothing from me
[23:44] <jose> I'm all good for now
[23:45] <toddy> #info The next meeting is Wednesday, February 17, 2021 23:00 UTC
[23:45] <toddy> Next chair is wxl?
[23:45] <wxl> sure i'll take it i guess
[23:45] <toddy> #action Next chair is wxl.
[23:45] <meetingology> ACTION: Next chair is wxl.
[23:45] <linaporras> I want yo chair The first meeting of march
[23:46] <wxl> does that mean i have to do the meeting notes for this one? i forgot
[23:46] <toddy> ok, linaporras
[23:46] <toddy> wxl: for this meeting here? no, that is my task I think
[23:46] <wxl> ok great
[23:46] <jose> I think you need to build the agenda for the next one and then minutes of that one too
[23:47] <wxl> right ok that's what i thought
[23:47] <toddy> ok, alright
[23:47] <toddy> than this is the end
[23:48] <toddy> #endmeeting
[23:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 23:48:03 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-02-03-23.05.moin.txt