[00:05] <pi0> seriously lol
[00:14] <pi0> matsaman: here is another question, is it possible to text to my android phone from within linux
[00:19] <jeremy31> pi0: You might be able to text using email, do a search on your cell phone provider
[00:21] <matsaman> pi0: yes, but it'd be easier to use a messaging client
[00:21] <matsaman> pi0: like with a real, non-proprietary protocol
[00:21] <matsaman> like jabber or the like
[00:22] <matsaman> then you aren't at the mercy of your phone provider, its OS, and the telecom industry
[00:22] <phillipsjk> According to the log, my computer found and corrected an ECC error before it stopped working; not a good sign.
[00:22] <matsaman> phillipsjk: :/
[00:23]  * phillipsjk has yet to look up the minimum storage temperature of board, GPU.
[00:32] <pi0> ah i see
[00:35] <pi0> gsconnect?
[00:39] <pi0> matsaman: there are so many nice ins and outs
[00:39] <pi0> jeremy31: i was thinking some sort of integration with gnome
[00:40] <pi0> however matsaman i noticed when i do simple apt install like say minicom it ads a desktop icon, how do i remove some of these?
[00:41] <matsaman> pi0: probably just delete them from your file manager, or rm them from terminal
[00:42] <matsaman> otherwise it'll be in your desktop prefs somewhere
[00:42] <matsaman> most likely, or it'll be nowhere easily accessible (which would suck and is pretty unlikely)
[00:46] <ruedii> That is weird.  What is your desktop layout?  Is it possible you are putting the app menu on the layout?   Newly installed applications go in the recently used pane on that.
[00:47] <ruedii> You might want to edit your desktop layout and see what widgets are on your desktop.  Generally I remove all widgets from my desktop.  I don't need them.  I just pin my commonly used apps to my task panel, and then access the rest through the keyword search.
[00:48] <ruedii> BTW, turn off all remote keyword search, and prune it's plugins.  It will make it much faster.  This goes for all desktops.  (Unity, GNOME, XFCE and KDE)
[00:48] <ruedii> XFCE is the only one that defaults most of them to off.
[00:48] <ruedii> KDE only has a few on that you don't need.
[00:49] <ruedii> Unity and GNOME are plain awful.
[00:50] <puff> I have a thinkpad t580 with ubuntu 18.04 LTS. It lives most of the time on my desk, with an external monitor plugged into the HDMI jack and a USB keyboard (plugged via a usb hub) and a logitech mouse (dongle plugged directly in).  Every now and then, like just now, I can't get the laptop to wake up by moving the mouse or tapping the keyboard keys.  I have to open the lid.  How do I get it to not do that?
[00:51] <ruedii> puff, do you know how to fetch the various logs from when it malfunctions like that?
[00:52] <matsaman> puff: are you intending for it to actually be in sleep mode, but wake-up-able from your peripherals?
[00:52] <ruedii> puff, still, I'll go with the most likely cause for you to try.   The most likely cause is that it's going into deep sleep mode and not waking up from peripherals.
[00:52] <puff> ruedii: I'm not sure what you mean by "fetch", if you mean do I know about /var/log/*, sure.
[00:52] <ruedii> Yeah, that's what I mean.  Just using layman's term.
[00:53] <puff> matsaman: It's plugged into the wall, so I'd like it to blank the screen and do whatever's appropriate re: conserving power and hardware life, but wake up immediately when I touch the keyboard or mouse.
[00:53] <ruedii> The most likely cause is it's going into hybernate and not waking from USB peripherals.  You probably want to set it not to go into hybernate mode instead of normal sleep.
[00:54] <matsaman> puff: so you want the _screen_ to "sleep", but not the operating system and hardware
[00:54] <ruedii> You should be able to turn off hybernate mode when plugged in. That's basically when the system completely turns itself off, but creates a reload stub in memory.
[00:54] <puff> In Settings/Power, it's set to "Automatic suspend" "When on Battery Power"
[00:55] <ruedii> You should set the default suspend mode to light suspend (S1) instead of hybernated/off.
[00:55] <puff> ruedii: Where do I set that?
[00:55] <puff> Typing "suspend" in the settings search input gets me nothing.
[00:55] <puff> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS btw.
[00:56] <ruedii> Why are you using such an old version?
[00:56] <ruedii> 20.04 is the current.
[00:56] <ruedii> Many power save bugs were addressed in 20.04
[00:57] <sarnold> puff: I have a vague memory of hearing or seeing that different BIOS systems may have "wake on suspend" options to allow configuring USB to be handled or not. I can't promise this :) I almost never see the bios screens.. but it might be worth five minutes of looking
[00:57] <puff> sarnold: Thanks
[00:58] <ruedii> Yes, I'd first try the BIOS before messing in power settings.  I also recommend updating to the latest LTS.
[01:11] <|izzie> heya, leftyfb
[01:25] <pi0> shoot gsconnect does not seem to work nicely with 20.04
[01:49] <ruedii> pi0, you may need a new build for newer matching library versions.  That's a GStreamer program, right?
[01:49] <ruedii> Sorry about the slow reply, was doing other stuff.
[01:51] <pi0> ruedii: no worries, not sure if it uses gstreamer, but i know its to connect android to linux
[01:51] <pi0> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230155/ubuntu-20-04-gsconnect
[01:51] <pi0> now i am down this rabbit hole trying to find fixes
[01:52] <pi0> not exactly sure how to approach this issue
[01:55] <ivan_on_trac> Which parameter to use to force update? sudo do-release-upgrade -> There is no development version of an LTS available
[01:55] <ivan_on_trac> 20.04 to 20.10
[01:58] <sarnold> ivan_on_trac: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[01:59] <ivan_on_trac> sarnold: I've already changed it to normal, however -> Upgrades to the development release are only
[02:03] <k_sze> Are there regularly updated stats somewhere about the usage of the various releases of Ubuntu (and other flavours like kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu)?
[02:05] <k_sze> I know there's the https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics page, but it doesn't break down by release.
[02:24] <supremekai> hey guys, I'm trying to install ubuntu 20.04 and it gives me a warning about intel rst (I already have win 10 installed in the machine) - https://help.ubuntu.com/rst - Is this specific for ubuntu 20.04? I mean, if I try to install 18.04 will I have the same issue?
[03:08] <mihael> How do I setup ppp on Ubuntu 18? I have this ppp config on Ubuntu16:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9wz5YyBj6F/
[03:14] <pyeverything> hey does anyone know how I could fix this PYTHONPATH problem in Ubuntu 20.04? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66019925/test-failed-home-mona-local-lib-python3-8-site-packages-does-not-support-pt
[03:44] <karmelsx> Which LIGHTWEIGHT distros do you recommend? I tried KDE NEON and it seemed to run significantly better on my low-end hardware.
[03:45] <karmelsx> I'm using normal Ubuntu now. Love everything about it except that it taxes my hardware too much.
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: lubuntu, xubuntu,mate
[03:48] <karmelsx> are those lighter than kde neon?
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> yes
[03:49] <karmelsx> significantly?
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: every machine is different, also the user can tweak his own system the way he wants to perform better/faster/lighter
[03:50] <karmelsx> well, i was running kde off the usb drive to try it out, and i noticed my system is taxed less, and i assume the difference is more pronounced when i have it actually installed on the ssd.
[03:50] <karmelsx> correct?
[03:50] <karmelsx> kde neon i mean.
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> karmelsx: lets continue in #ubuntu-discuss
[03:51] <karmelsx> ok, i went there.
[05:00] <tarelerulz> Having any  of you booted  Ubuntu 20.04 iso with  grub?
[05:12] <sub526> Hi all, when I tried to install a package via sudo apt install <pkg>, it prompt this message: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem", what it means? But when I triggered 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', system goes to reboot.. What could be the issue?
[05:17] <Bashing-om> sub526: Maybe get more specific firectioon on how to procedd from the terminal command ' sudo dpkg -C ; that audits the packages.
[05:17] <Bashing-om> direction*
[05:19] <sub526> Bashing-om: Shall I run   'sudo dpkg -C' instead of  'sudo dpkg --configure -a'?
[05:22] <Bashing-om> sub526: Affirmed - see what ' sudo dpkg -C ' reports.
[05:47] <sub526> Bashing-om: 'sudo dpkg -C'  resulted "The following packages have been unpacked but not yet configured." "They must be configured using dpkg --configure or the configure"
[05:48] <Bashing-om> sub526: pastebin that output so I see all of it - then we see what we can do :D
[05:48] <Bashing-om> !pastebin | sub526
[05:53] <sub526> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wn5k8Xf6d3/
[05:53] <Bashing-om> sub526: ack :D
[05:55] <ssfdre38> does anyone know how to increase the Multipass vm drive
[05:57] <Bashing-om> sub526: "hydra-drivers-dkms" raises a flag - what kernel version are you booting ' uname -r ' ?
[05:58] <sub526> Bashing-om: 4.4.0-66-generic
[05:59] <jayjo-> is there a way to list the packages considered "recommended" by an apt package? in particular for a ppa, so I'm not sure where to browse it on the web, is there an 'apt' command?
[05:59] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[06:02] <jayjo-> or, is there  way to get the recommended packages from a ppa?
[06:04] <Bashing-om> sub526: Yukkie-poo ^^ . Let us get you updated and then we what the haps be: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' . Maybe the package manager will fix it.
[06:20] <sub526> Bashing-om: sudo apt full-upgrade - does it updates the kernel too?
[06:20] <Bashing-om> sub526: Yup :D
[06:22] <sub526> Bashing-om: Oh, but I need to use 4.4.0-66-generic
[06:23] <Bashing-om> sub526: Then is above my skills to fix the broken dkms packages :(
[06:31] <quem> fresh 20.04 server install. /etc/resolv.conf points to a file that doesn't exist?! (../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf)
[06:45] <ruedii> quem, are you sure you properly installed all the dependencies?   Double check.   Also, make sure that issue isn't a temporary self-fixing issue, where the file is overwritten when the network tools initialize the network devices.
[08:16] <larsjoo> Do anyone know how it is possible for 20.04 to get 4? kernel updates in one month, and still have problems with DKMS for both Nvidia and Virtualbox?
[08:27] <larsjoo> I also do not understand why an LTS release get a poorly tested kernel upgrade mid cycle..
[08:37] <Gwalenn> Hi, by mistake I move my Vidéos/movies folder on my home. I tried to restore the link in Files, but place its name above the recycle bin (https://postimg.cc/87Dpjdwy) ?
[08:53] <larsjoo> Gwalenn: In you .config/user-dirs.dirs file you can relink
[08:58] <Gwalenn> larsjoo: thanks, i modify the file and restart
[09:09] <TJ-> Do we have a PAM or systemd-logind way to enable autologin ?
[09:24] <Gwalenn> hi, when you make a incremental archive with  : folder.tar,folder_update1.tar, folder_update2.tar , and you want to restore the up to date folder, you restore from folder_update2.tar or you need to restore one by one : folder.tar, folder_updatexx ?
[09:33] <larsjoo> Gwalenn: If you look at the -x option in "man tar" it looks like you can specify what to extract
[10:05] <cousteau> Hi, is the sudo bug patched?  How can I know if my system is affected or if it's already patched?
[10:06] <cousteau> I ran updates as soon as I read about the bug, but I don't know if they included the patch
[10:08] <ThinkT510> cousteau: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4705-1
[10:08] <cousteau> thanks :)
[10:14] <cousteau> ok so I need sudo version 1.8.21p2-3ubuntu1.4, which is available through bionic-updates and bionic-security (but not in "plain" bionic), and which happens to be the one I have installed, fortunately.  Thanks!
[10:15] <cousteau> (I guess "bionic" is "whatever comes with the installer, untouched, no updates" and "bionic-security" means "only the extremely important updates")
[10:16] <cousteau> whereas "bionic-updates" means "other updates, which are shipped separately for whatever reasons; probably legal or stability or whatever"
[10:44] <TJ-> cousteau: you can check the changelog of almost every package locally, which will reveal recent changes and their date, by using: "less /usr/share/doc/${PKG_NAME}/changelog.Debian.gz" where in this case "PKG_NAME=sudo"
[10:46] <cousteau> thanks!
[10:47] <TJ-> those changelogs are gzip compressed but usually less has been primed to pipe them through gunzip. If less complaines, you would do this first: "eval $(lesspipe)" which sets the environment variables for 'less'
[10:48] <cousteau> yeah I've seen less doing smart stuff with gzip and pdf and even doc
[10:48] <cousteau> I could also use zless directly, but in my experience `less` tends to work better and handle all the weird things for me
[10:49]  * TJ- thinks more is less :)
[10:49] <TJ-> hang on ... less is more!
[11:05] <cousteau> TJ-: I thought they were different executables
[11:48] <Hamidreza> Hi, I've changed home directory for my user before changing home directory my shell was colorfull but now when I'm connecting to server it has no color, What should I do for this problem?
[11:48] <Hamidreza> I do this by this command : sudo vipw
[13:05] <chogg> Hello.  I've been running 20.10 since it was released (and older versions for many years) on a Dell XPS 13 (9343).  Through yesterday, I had it configured to sleep if I shut the lid or left it idle for an hour on battery power.  Today I am finding that if I shut the lid or let idle even 1 *minute* it does not sleep but shuts down entirely.  I
[13:05] <chogg> haven't made any intentional configuration changes.  My battery is nearly fully charged, and runs just fine as long as I don't let it idle.  I don't remember whether or not there were any updates that I applied yesterday.  Has anyone else reported this problem?
[13:18] <chogg> Actually, glancing through syslog makes it seem like it is successfully going to sleep when the lid is closed, but failing to return from sleep?  Shortly after opening the lid I get messages in syslog like "ACPI: EC: interrupt blocked", "ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3", "ACPI: EC: event blocked", and "ACPI: EC: EC stopped".  But
[13:18] <chogg> that doesn't explain what's happening after a minute of idle time.
[13:21] <Davidian1024> hey group, i've been running into an issue with the ubuntu vagrant base box and i was hoping someone might be able to give me some advice.
[13:22] <Davidian1024> the base ubuntu vagrant base box comes without any gui installed, and i'm adding it as that's something i need
[13:23] <Davidian1024> i should mention i'm running this underl oracle virtualbox on a windows 10 laptop
[13:24] <Davidian1024> the issue is that when i install the gui and then install virtualbox additions for things like integrated copy/paste and graphics acceleration, i run into stability issues
[13:25] <Davidian1024> resizing the virtual desktop is the one i run into most often.  once i do that the graphics are typically frozen, or moving as slow as what seems to be 1 frame maybe every 30 seconds
[13:25] <Davidian1024> but the box is not crashed, i can ssh into it and shut it down usually
[13:25] <Davidian1024> i'm wondering if there's additional software i need to be installing
[13:26] <Davidian1024> i had only installed the ubuntu-desktop-minimal meta package, a few packages required by oracle virtualbox additions, and the oracle virtualbox additions itself
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:27] <Davidian1024> everything works as i would expect if i manually create a VM under oracle virtualbox using the ubuntu iso
[13:43] <Vonor> hi. kde user here. i'm using thunderbird and evolution as mail clients.in kde default apps evolution is set as default mail client. mailto: links are opened by thunderbird. can't find the place to change that.
[13:46] <pavlos> Vonor: would that be in your browser preferences? (FF has a mailto: what to do)
[13:46] <ThinkT510> probably an xdg setting to change the default
[13:47] <Vonor> omg, browser was the last place i would have looked at. i also thought it's an xdg setting i was unable to find.
[13:48] <Vonor> thanks a bunch! :)
[13:49] <ThinkT510> man xdg-mime
[13:55] <zen_coder> does anybody have some good tutorials for file access in a new mounted hard disk? I think I need to create a new group so that everybody in this group can access the hard disk
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> !chmod
[14:07] <zen_coder> I have added my self to a group which should have now read access to a dir
[14:07] <zen_coder> how can I trigger that it will get active?
[14:16] <leftyfb> zen_coder: umount the drive and remount
[14:16] <leftyfb> zen_coder: what you should be doing is mounting the drive with the proper permissions
[14:19] <quem> i fail to mount an 8tb drive using its uuid, but if i point to its device file it works fine. any ideas?
[14:19] <zen_coder> leftyfb: how can I mount a drive with right permission?
[14:19] <leftyfb> quem: wrong uuid?
[14:19] <quem> using the uuid blkid gave me
[14:20] <zen_coder> the drive is ext4 and has already data on it
[14:20] <zen_coder> I recreated a group with the id mentioned in the disk folders and files
[14:21] <quem> leftyfb: /dev/sdg1: UUID="9ecaf270-547e-4dfe-b547-8a156171e50a" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="primary" PARTUUID="bbd08b5e-d9f3-4dec-b70d-075c870b9d0f"
[14:21] <quem> tried the first uuid now. works.
[14:21] <quem> partuuid before...
[14:21] <leftyfb> zen_coder: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#Editing_Ubuntu.27s_filesystem_table
[14:26] <zen_coder> leftyfb: sorry, cannot find anything in there how to mount the hard disk with certain access
[14:27] <leftyfb> zen_coder: it's uid and gid
[14:27] <philectro> in the wiki page of raspberrypi at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi#Root_resize
[14:27] <philectro> the information is outdated
[14:28] <philectro> now it's autoresized
[14:29] <zen_coder> leftyfb: I have add in `/etc/fstab` following `/dev/sdb1    /media/newhdd    ext4    defaults    0    0`
[14:30] <leftyfb> zen_coder: https://superuser.com/questions/430707/how-do-i-configure-fstab-so-that-a-partition-can-be-used-by-different-users-simu
[14:32] <zen_coder> `/dev/sdb1    /media/mbition-icui    ext4    gid=28563    0    0` is this correct?
[14:33] <leftyfb> zen_coder: did you try it?
[14:34] <zen_coder> not yet saved the file
[14:34] <zen_coder> how can I trigger a new mount, without restarting?
[14:34] <leftyfb> zen_coder: unmount it and remount it again
[14:35] <leftyfb> zen_coder: "umount" will unmount, "mount -a" will mount everything from fstab
[14:38] <zen_coder> leftyfb: `mount: /media/newhddi: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.`
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> !arm | philectro
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> philectro: maybe someone there might ring some bells
[14:41] <leftyfb> zen_coder: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/204649
[14:42] <philectro> okay
[14:48] <zen_coder> leftyfb: `/dev/sdb1    /media/newhdd    ext4    defaults,gid=28563    0    0` still the same error
[14:48] <zen_coder> just with defaults, it works
[14:49] <leftyfb> zen_coder: grep 28563 /etc/group
[14:50] <zen_coder> `mygroup:x:28563:myuser`
[14:51] <zen_coder> maybe I need this umask?
[14:53] <leftyfb> zen_coder: try only umask, leave out the gid
[14:58] <zen_coder> umask, with which value?
[14:59] <zen_coder> leftyfb:?
[15:05] <philectro> what is showing the welcome message after ssh login ?
[15:06] <philectro> maybe i badly looked but i don't see that in bashrc
[15:07] <viktor_> hi, can anyone give me some suggestions on how to make my internal mic work? using kubuntu 18.04, lenovo y700. sound setting is showing "build-in analogue stereo"
[15:09] <philectro> viktor_: you must set the priority on the right device in the kde settings audio panel :)
[15:10] <philectro> just need some click
[15:10] <philectro> cat /etc/update-motd.d/ contains my answer
[15:10] <philectro> (not for you viktor_ )
[15:11] <viktor_> philectro: there's no default, there's only one input. actually, my headphones (bluetooth) have a mic, but that's not recognized
[15:25] <zen_coder> can anybody help me with setting up a shared hard disk on ubuntu?
[15:25] <zen_coder> so I have mounted a hard disk where every body can read/write who is in a certain group. How can I make sure that people who create files inside this disk, can be read by others in the group?
[15:26] <zen_coder> Ive read about primary and 2nd groups
[15:36] <Mordoc> quit
[15:36] <Mordoc> Sorry folks, wrong window.
[15:37] <locsmif_work> never give up
[15:38] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: how is this disk accessed?
[15:38] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: NFS?
[15:43] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: for NFS, see: https://serverfault.com/questions/240897/how-to-properly-set-permissions-for-nfs-folder-permission-denied-on-mounting-en
[16:11] <zen_coder> locsmif_work: I have ext4
[16:21] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: so how are you sharing this file system?
[16:22] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: in that case, use newgrp for every user so they share a group
[16:24] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: default umask should be 0002, so no biggie?
[16:26] <locsmif_work> Or better yet, change /etc/passwd for each participating user
[16:27] <locsmif_work> zen_coder: or better yet, use the setgid bit
[16:27] <locsmif_work> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-use-special-permissions-the-setuid-setgid-and-sticky-bits
[16:38] <locsmif_work> Anybody any idea why I cannot disconnect from my bluetooth speakers? Nor can I remove the device. Meaning I can't ever restore the failing connecting. The speaker is not at fault, it works again after I reboot and I've never had these issues with other Linux version, Windows, or smartphones
[16:38] <locsmif_work> s/connecting/connection/
[16:59] <regedit> hello, please help trying to apt-get install php7.4-sqlite3
[16:59] <regedit> php7.4-sqlite3 : Depends: php7.4-common (= 7.4.3-4ubuntu2.4) but 7.4.10-1+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1 is to be installed
[17:00] <oerheks> regedit, try apt install -f ??
[17:00] <oerheks> or run updates properly, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:00] <regedit> doing now...
[17:03] <oerheks> maybe that ppa is bugging, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.4/7.4.3-4ubuntu2.4
[17:03] <regedit> finished full-upgrade, still same error
[17:03] <regedit> anything i can do about such bugging? any way to "repair" or re-install the ppa or something?
[17:05] <regedit> i'm not sure if i might or might not have ondrej sury ppa maybe
[17:05] <oerheks> no, contact that ppa maintainer? this is beyond our power
[17:06] <regedit> if ubuntu default ppas already caught up to PHP 7.4 and such, maybe i can switch away from it 🤔
[17:06] <oerheks> yes, indeed.
[17:06] <oerheks> use ppa-purge to revert pakages
[17:07] <regedit> how do i switch away from it? safely install everything from that ppa without horribly breaking everything, and then get it all back from ubuntu repos
[17:07] <regedit> safely *uninstall
[17:07] <oerheks> !ppapurge
[17:08] <oerheks> i think you used ppa:ondrej/php    https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/
[17:10] <faLUKE> helllo. When trying to start jack with qjackctl, it says:  "ATTENTION: The playback device "hw:PCH,0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again" . How can I fix this? thanks
[17:16] <regedit> thanks oerheks will try that now
[17:17] <regedit> oerheks: hm "Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: ondrej php"
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> faLUKE: related? https://askubuntu.com/questions/224151/jack-server-could-not-be-started-when-using-qjackctl
[17:19] <zen_coder>  locsmif_work: but how can I make sure when users are creating new files on the hard disk the others in the group can read that file?
[17:22] <oerheks> zen_coder, with ACL ? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-manage-acls-on-linux
[17:22] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: I tried both the solution in your link, but could not solve
[17:22] <regedit> oerheks: might i not have other ppas after all? http://sprunge.us/GSWDq2
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> faLUKE: some other process is using your soundcard or something?
[17:23] <regedit> oerheks: that's the output from apt-cache policy
[17:24] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: I don't know how to check this
[17:26] <oerheks> regedit, weird, the only foreign ppa is https://cli-assets.heroku.com/apt
[17:26] <regedit> ah right
[17:26] <regedit> but i think that one's totally unrelated, just for heroku cli
[17:26] <oerheks> apt-cache policy php7.4-common
[17:27] <oerheks> that should give a clue
[17:27] <regedit> http://sprunge.us/MMKPCp
[17:28] <oerheks> when i look for 'php7.4-common 7.4.10-1+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1' it surely points to that ppa.. did you remove it in sources.list.d ?
[17:28] <regedit> i dont think i edited anything there... lemme grep
[17:29] <regedit> aha http://sprunge.us/7Dy0bU
[17:30] <regedit> this was at some point updated from 18.04 to 20.04 i think, maybe something left over?
[17:31] <oerheks> correct, ppa's will be disabled
[17:31] <oerheks> re-add them again?
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> faLUKE: fuser -v /dev/snd/*
[17:31] <regedit> ahh
[17:31] <oerheks> so this is a fresh upgrade?
[17:31] <regedit> oerheks: only by re-adding it can i then purge it and revert to default ubuntu ppas only?
[17:31] <oerheks> yes
[17:31] <regedit> gotcha 👌 ok trying now thanks
[17:32] <oerheks> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ondrej/php && sudo apt update
[17:32] <oerheks> ypu might want to stick with that ppa, and continue what youwere doing?
[17:32] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: nothing returned
[17:33] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: sorry
[17:33] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: with sudo I see timidity
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> faLUKE: ah, try to purge timidity-deamon?
[17:33] <regedit> oerheks: well unless default ubuntu repos have what i need? 🤷‍♂️ i think back in 18.04 i wanted latest php 7 but ubuntu repos were still stuck back a little
[17:34] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: right, thanks! meanwhile I disinstalled qjackctl, I have to install it again
[17:37] <regedit> oh wow apparently php 8 is a thing now 🤔 maybe i will stick to ondrej...
[17:46] <shinobi_> I keep losing sound because Ubuntu will change the sound card used for audio output to my USB sound interface. It seems to do this randomly. I want it to use my MB sound card for output all the time. Is there any way to lock it?
[17:54] <mbbsd> do any of you guys know why ubuntu 20.04 with GDM doesn't read ~/.xsession?
[17:54] <andi> Hey, I'd like to install ubuntu 20.04 using autoinstall. Can somebody tell me what's needed on the kernel line to set a static ip before fetching the autoinstall.yml?
[17:55] <jhartog> @shinobi_ Have you tried fixing it with pactl? https://askubuntu.com/a/1207638
[18:04] <faLUKE> lotuspsychje: I purged the timidity daemon, but problem remains
[18:15] <faLUKE> well, I try to upgrade the release
[18:25] <vmax> Is it possible and if so, howto to make a new Install from current ubuntu server  to new  separate hdd?
[18:26] <syb0rg> hi, is there anyway to make apt install the info pages for id-utils? I came across the concept of a corresponding -doc package for this type of issue, but none seems to exist for id-utils
[18:29] <syb0rg> vmax, can you access the storage device of that server without it running?
[18:30] <syb0rg> if so you can duplicate the partitioning scheme, formatting and UUIDs of the original server, copy files and I believe it should work. Or just dd old to new if the new device is big enough (easier but time consuming and worse option)
[18:31] <syb0rg> if not, you can copy the filesystem live, but that is not likely to result in a stable new system. In fact it is an all around bad idea :-)
[18:31] <syb0rg> would it not be easier to simply make a new install and duplicate any needed files and configuration from the old machine?
[18:34] <vmax> syb0rg, I have new hdd on the same server
[18:35] <syb0rg> Okay. Can you boot to a live image on your server? If so, you can try either of the two approached I mentioned
[18:36] <syb0rg> and please back up any critical data before attempting anything, or proceed at your own risk
[18:36] <vmax> I can, but would have preferred to install without restarting the server yet
[18:37] <syb0rg> and you are trying to duplicate the current install with all existing files and configuration, right?
[18:37] <vmax> no,  need fresh install on the new hdd
[18:38] <syb0rg> oh I see
[18:38] <phillipsjk> So I tried to run an mprime memory stress test on my machine, but the computer went into suspend mode invalidating the results. Have not been able to find a configuration option to disable that in XFCE.
[18:38] <syb0rg> vmax there should be methods that would work here, let me try and rememver the tool you need. I think I have done something similar once
[18:38] <phillipsjk> Would disabling screen locking work?
[18:39] <vmax> Thought first that it could be possible to run installer, but seems to require a little bit different take on this
[18:40] <syb0rg> vmax the tool for your situation is debootstrap
[18:40] <syb0rg> google something like install ubuntu with debootstrap
[18:40] <syb0rg> there are guides for you
[18:41] <vmax> ok, thanks. I'll be back with an update and most likely some questions
[18:41] <syb0rg> no guarantee I will have the answers as I have only done this once, and with a step-by-step guide. But if I am still here then I will try and help =P
[18:45]  * phillipsjk tries setting screen blanking/locking to "never"
[18:45] <syb0rg> phillipsjk, you have also looked in power settings to ensure suspend after x minutes is disabled?
[18:46] <phillipsjk> No power settings widget
[18:47] <phillipsjk> The settings I changed are in "Light Locker Settings".
[18:47] <syb0rg> I would imagine disabling screen locking is your best bet then probably. What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[18:47] <phillipsjk> 20.x
[18:48] <syb0rg> ok. there was a long-standing xfce4 bug that prevented screen-blanking settings in the GUI from working, but IIRC that was fixed in 20.04
[18:49] <phillipsjk> syb0rg, may have to look into that.
[18:50] <phillipsjk> I have to go, will see if computer is susptendfed when I get back.
[18:51] <syb0rg> ok good luck. If that doesn't work these are the notes I made for myself regarding the workaround for that bug phillipsjk https://termbin.com/7bs9
[18:52] <vmax> Is there a way to set the minimum to maximum  screen brightnessrange  in XFCE, while running power widget and redshift?
[18:52] <regedit> i like susptendfed tho
[18:53] <vmax> xrandr works and I can make the screen darker, but either power widget or redshift sets it back again
[18:59] <syb0rg> vmax I haven't messed with backlight stuff much, but what do you see in /sys/class/backlight?
[19:01] <syb0rg> my suspicion is there will be a file in there that changes when the backlight level does. So one thing you could do is write a systemd unit that monitors whatever file that may be, and sets the backlight to your desired level whenever it changes.
[19:03] <syb0rg> other than that, figure out how to disable backlight brightness control in all programs you don't want controlling it
[19:03] <syb0rg> that's only my spitball attempt at a solution, I'm not suggesting it is necessarily the best way to go =P
[19:15] <lt> how to install run ubuntu installer from iso file to a slave hdd while on debian host machine?
[19:15] <lt> is it doable?
[19:16] <oerheks> lt, maybe, but weird. just boot the iso and choose that slave as target
[19:23] <syb0rg> lt funny you should ask, someone else just had a similar question. Your best bet would be to use debootstrap rather than running the installer
[19:25] <syb0rg> I don't think being on a debian host would preclude you from installing ubuntu to the other disk but I'm not very familiar with that tool or its use
[19:27] <syb0rg> you could also potentially make a kvm virtual machine that uses that disk as its storage device and install from there, although how easy that would be I am not sure. Also, Ubuntu would install itself configured for the VM and you may need to change some stuff to boot to it bare metal, but probably not too much if anything, I'd guess
[19:28] <syb0rg> that is a weird and hacky approach though, debootstrap would be better if it can work here
[19:31] <syb0rg> unless I misunderstood your question, which I think I might have. My answer were about installing the second drive while you are booted to the first.
[19:31] <syb0rg> *installing to
[19:35] <oerheks> just make sure that you install the bootloader on the right device..
[19:37] <DocMors> has anyone a suggestion for an easy to use pdf editor, for filling in forms and signing.
[19:52] <vmax> syb0rg, /sys/class/backlight/amdgpu_bl1
[19:56] <vmax> lt, syb0rg, I also thought about virtual machine to do the trick. Still making some research though. Might wait for reboot period to make the install on separate drive
[19:59] <phillipsjk> looks like my computer is still awake after more than an hour.
[20:01] <Sven_vB> When I play MineTest 5.3.0-ppa0~ubuntu20.04.1 on Ubuntu focal on a Lenovo D330 81H3, after a few hours, USB for the docking station fails with "usb usb1-port5: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?" however, a reboot reliably fixes the problem, and without MineTest, the computer runs for weeks without problems. any ideas how to debug it further?
[20:04] <lordcirth> Sven_vB, does your laptop get hot when playing? Do you run anything else that stresses it?
[20:05] <Sven_vB> no additional programs that wouldn't have run in the comparison weeks. I'll check if I can get temperature data.
[20:20] <Sven_vB> I couldn't find sensor data. I'll try and run something else that stresses the GPU. thanks for the idea :)
[20:39] <zleap> hello
[20:41] <javi404> my bios got reset because i had to see if i had a bad memory stick, now something is complete screwed up
[20:41] <javi404> ubuntu 20.04
[20:41] <javi404> either there is a bug in chrome
[20:41] <javi404> or something i missed in the bios
[20:41] <javi404> had to turn off hardware accelartion in chrome
[20:41] <javi404> has anyone run into this?
[20:42] <zleap> i came in ehre as a user in #thunderbird is having issues with thunderbird having just upgraded
[20:42] <TJ-> zleap: 68x to 78.x ?
[20:43] <henry8> that's me probably
[20:43] <zleap> TJ-, YES
[20:43] <zleap> yes
[20:43] <henry8> lost years of emails on a recent software update, 1 February
[20:44] <TJ-> As soon as I heard of the 78 package upgrade I pinned 68.x :)
[20:44] <henry8> don't know where they are and can't even find them in my duplicity backups going back almost one year
[20:44] <henry8> what's "pinned"
[20:44] <TJ-> henry8: I pinned the thunderbird package via APT preferences
[20:44] <TJ-> henry8: what 'email' account type is it, IMAP4 ?
[20:45] <leftyfb> zleap: how did you update?
[20:45] <Sven_vB> henry8, really lost the mail, or just created a new profile and forgot the old profile's location?
[20:45] <henry8> i think all my email accounts are imap
[20:45] <zleap> i am using debian
[20:45] <leftyfb> it's probably a new profile, which is an issue when installing from snap as it's a new location
[20:45] <leftyfb> :/
[20:45] <henry8> i didn't create a new profile
[20:45] <zleap> henry8, has the issue with lost e-mails
[20:45] <leftyfb> !debian | zleap
[20:46] <zleap> i came in here as I figured the issue henry8 was having could be more of a ubuntu issue
[20:46] <henry8> so the story is, 1 February software update when i turned my computer on
[20:46] <henry8> usually I just let it run as I
[20:46] <henry8> as I've never had problems in my ubuntu history
[20:46] <leftyfb> oh
[20:47] <TJ-> henry8: can you see the IMAP accounts with "ls -latr ~/.thunderbird/*.default/ImapMail/"
[20:47] <leftyfb> henry8: how did you update thunderbird?
[20:47] <javi404> this issue is not chrome, the sluggishness is affecting discord, and even virtual studio code.
[20:47] <henry8> there was  some sort of warning about incompatibility with the new thunderbird but being an idiot i plowed ahead
[20:47] <javi404> so sluggish can't even program in code
[20:47] <javi404> had to write html in a text editor this morning
[20:47] <javi404> did a recent update break somelthing?
[20:48] <henry8> new thunderbird turned out to be a snap.io package, version 78
[20:48] <javi404> what can I do to diagnose, help, report bugs?
[20:48] <ThinkT510> !info thunderbird bionic
[20:48] <henry8> no emails, no filters, no contacts... nothing
[20:49] <javi404> henry8: I would steer clear of snap packages for anything important for now.
[20:49] <javi404> but that's just MHO
[20:49] <javi404> IMHO*
[20:49] <ThinkT510> !info thunderbird focal
[20:49] <henry8> agreed jav
[20:49] <Sven_vB> oh does it mean as long as I manage to avoid snapd, I don't need to care about my thunderbird version?
[20:49] <henry8> i uninstalled the thunderbird snap and reinstall thunderbird via apt so I'm back to version 68
[20:50] <leftyfb> javi404: please don't
[20:50] <leftyfb> henry8: hold in, I have a fix for you
[20:50] <henry8> still can't use my old .thunderbird folder though
[20:50] <leftyfb> henry8: please hold
[20:50] <javi404> leftyfb: ?
[20:50] <henry8> leftyfb, i'm all ears
[20:50] <javi404> please dont what?
[20:50] <leftyfb> javi404: don't suggest people stay clear of a completely viable package manager
[20:51] <javi404> leftyfb: fair enough, but let's be honest, if we are running bleading edge software, we are the beta testers, and qa, and im ok with that.
[20:51] <ThinkT510> to be fair he did get a warning and ignored it
[20:51] <leftyfb> henry8: snap has been around for years, it's not bleeding edge
[20:51] <javi404> what i really want to do, is figure out, why hardware acceleration is broken at the moment.
[20:51] <javi404> leftyfb: true
[20:52] <javi404> but that depends on timeframe
[20:52] <leftyfb> henry8: close thunderbird, then run :   rm -rf ~/snap/thunderbird/common/.thunderbird ; rsync -av ~/.thunderbird/ ~/snap/thunderbird/common/.thunderbird/
[20:52] <javi404> not disagreeing, i use snap
[20:53] <javi404> what can i do to diagnose my VS Code issue?
[20:53] <henry8> lefty, i can try that but don't have a "common" folder in under my snap folder
[20:54] <javi404> i mean if I can't code in ubuntu anymore, this is not good at the moment.
[20:54] <javi404> i guess i can in a vm but thats annoying
[20:54] <leftyfb> henry8: ls -l ~/snap/thunderbird/
[20:56] <henry8> not sure that did anything: rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred
[20:57] <zen_coder> how can I share the same password for a samber user and the linux user?
[20:57] <leftyfb> henry8:  ls -l ~/snap/thunderbird/  # when you run this, you don't get any rsult?
[20:57] <leftyfb> henry8: can you pastebin the output?
[20:57] <Younder> O,k took a Xavier AGX and mounted in on a Auvidea  X220 card. Needed to enable the USB ports. The default procedure from Auvida was rubbish.. Replace the kernel and the device tree and then install the kernel module. Take them to school and introduce Dynamic Kernel Module System (DKMS).
[20:58] <henry8> yeah, "no file or directory" but like i said, there is no "common" folder in my snap/thunderbird directory
[20:59] <leftyfb> henry8: you have no ~/.snap/thunderbird directory?
[20:59] <leftyfb> henry8: can you pastebin the output of ls -l ~/snap/thunderbird
[20:59] <henry8> there is a folder "47" and a symlink to "current --> 109" which i haven't been able to locate yet
[21:00] <leftyfb> henry8: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[21:00] <Younder> Bitch of a job, but now the system has updated 4.5 OS and the kernel is up to date and will remin so and till the USB ports work.
[21:00] <henry8> i have the snap/thunderbird folder in my home directory but nothing in it other than the two listings previously described
[21:01] <leftyfb> henry8: ok, try creating the common directory and rsync'ing
[21:01] <Younder> The Zed USB-3 camera works. And we can finally start to do some serious AI.
[21:01] <leftyfb> henry8: mkdir ~/.snap/thunderird/common && rsync -av ~/.thunderbird/ ~/snap/thunderbird/common/.thunderbird/
[21:02] <henry8> will do
[21:03] <eelstrebor> heh, interesting, i had a vlc icon pop up in the dashboard. turns out to be an system update notification - how could this happen?
[21:05] <henry8> done but with snap not .snap... yeah?
[21:05] <henry8> my mistake, you are saying it should be a .snap?
[21:05] <leftyfb> henry8: no, ~/snap/
[21:05] <leftyfb> sorry, my bad
[21:06] <leftyfb> it should be ~/snap, not ~/.snap
[21:06] <henry8> no worries, that's what i thought
[21:06] <ThinkT510> also mind the typo in the first thunderbird
[21:06] <leftyfb> bah, sorry, doing actual work at the same time
[21:06] <henry8> so i have ~/snap/thunderbird/common/
[21:06] <leftyfb> yeah
[21:07] <henry8> done, empty common folder
[21:07] <leftyfb> henry8: ls -al ~/snap/common/thunderbird/
[21:07] <Younder> Is you ask me snaps are a ugly and memory expensive solution to code stability. Those loop-backs are driving me crazy.
[21:07] <henry8> yep, my common folder is 776 owned by me
[21:08] <leftyfb> henry8: notice the ls -al
[21:08] <henry8> yep...
[21:08] <leftyfb> henry8: the thunderbird directory is hidden since it starts with a .   the common directory shouldn't be empty
[21:09] <henry8> i didn
[21:09] <henry8> i didn't create the .thunderbird under common... one sec
[21:09] <leftyfb> no
[21:09] <leftyfb> henry8: if it's empty, then the rsync didn't happen(correctly)
[21:09] <henry8> no?
[21:09] <henry8> let me run rsync again
[21:10] <leftyfb> henry8: rsync -av ~/.thunderbird/ ~/snap/thunderbird/common/.thunderbird/
[21:11] <henry8> that did something, .thunderbird is there now
[21:11] <leftyfb> ok, open thunderbird
[21:13] <henry8> oops, don't know if i mentioned that i downgraded back to the old version of thunderbird, i'm assuming what you are teaching me is a way to import the old school .thunderbird data into the snap package...?
[21:13] <leftyfb> :/
[21:13] <leftyfb> yes
[21:13] <leftyfb> install the snap package
[21:13] <henry8> i'll have to install the snap
[21:14] <henry8> but, strangely, even after downgrading back to thunderbird 68 I'm still unable to use my original .thunderbird for recovery
[21:14] <henry8> maybe that's for a different session : )
[21:14] <pyeverything> how can I ssh to GCP VM that is an Ubuntu image from Ubuntu 20.04 terminal?
[21:15] <leftyfb> pyeverything: ssh user@ip.address
[21:18] <pyeverything> I have the external ip address how do I find the user? leftyfb
[21:18] <henry8> lefty... i really appreciate all your help, i have to run now, taxi service for my kids... I think the rsync thing you did is the way to go but I'll have to try when i get back
[21:18] <leftyfb> pyeverything: that's a GCP question unrelated to Ubuntu
[21:18] <henry8> really appreciated and will come back to let you know how it turned out
[21:19] <henry8> surprised the the software update didn't do this automatically instead of starting me off with a brand new thunderbird install
[21:19] <leftyfb> henry8: I had the same issue
[21:20] <henry8> talk at you soon
[21:20] <oerheks> more a Q for #gcp ??
[21:21] <leftyfb> oerheks: exactly
[21:21] <oerheks> ssh client is installed, s
[21:21] <leftyfb> pyeverything: those GCP VM's are custom images with settings we do not know or control. You'll have to seek the GCP documentation for the default credentials
[21:24] <pyeverything> do you know why this command is stuck? mona@goku:~$ sudo snap install google-cloud-sdk ???
[21:24] <pyeverything> It doesn't ask for a password or do anything I CTRL+C 'd a couple times mona@goku:~$ sudo snap install google-cloud-sdk
[21:25] <oerheks> seems like you have ssh access now?
[21:25] <oerheks> but without root priv.
[21:25] <pyeverything> I am trying to setup GCP client but this package I am installing on my local machine got stuck in installation oerheks
[21:26] <oerheks> oh oke, local.
[21:26] <pyeverything> I cannot restart machine since I have been running a code since last night oerheks
[21:26] <oerheks> sudo snap install google-cloud-sdk --classic > https://snapcraft.io/google-cloud-sdk
[21:26] <oerheks> oh, is dat code running as root too?
[21:27] <pyeverything> root      177315  0.0  0.0  11572  4280 pts/2    T    16:22   0:00 sudo snap install google-cloud-sdk
[21:27] <oerheks> interesting..why are you instaling stuff while running important code..
[21:27] <pyeverything> fixed with kill -9
[21:27] <pyeverything> error: This revision of snap "google-cloud-sdk" was published using classic confinement and thus
[21:27] <pyeverything>        may perform arbitrary system changes outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually
[21:27] <pyeverything>        confined to, which may put your system at risk.
[21:28] <leftyfb> !paste | pyeverything
[21:30] <Sven_vB> if my USB problems were heat problems, should I expect USB starts to work again when my netbook is idle for a few hours?
[21:40] <Younder> I have never experienced USB heat problems. You seem to be backing the wrong horse.
[21:42] <oerheks> i would suspect dockingstation, more likely
[21:50] <pyeverything> where in GCP should I dump my ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub if I already have created my instance?
[21:52] <leftyfb> pyeverything: I use ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[21:52] <Sven_vB> Younder, yeah I'm skeptical about that, too. especially because a reboot reliably fixes it for another few hours of playing. but I strive to investigate all ideas.
[21:52] <shinobi_> is an iso the same as img?
[21:52] <admin0> hi all .. if i have a disk /dev/sdb .. how to detect what filesystem is it .. or if its even formatted
[21:53] <Sven_vB> however, while booting undocket to exclude that as a problem I discovered the touch screen isn't detected as an input device anymore. so now I'm debugging that first.
[21:53] <admin0> lsblk shows the disk .. but i know you can also directly mkfs /dev/sdb .. so checking for partitions is not what i am looking for
[21:53] <admin0> i want to know if there is a tool that can detect if a disk is formatted and if it has a filesystem in it
[21:55] <Sven_vB> admin0, there are partition editors to check whether it has a partition table. most of them can also identify some file systems.
[21:56] <Sven_vB> admin0, for detecting file systems not in a partition, there was another, I'll check
[21:57] <javi404> any idea where to start diagnosing hardware / gpu / driver issues.
[21:57] <Sven_vB> admin0, wipefs can scan for file system signatures, and kill them if desired.
[21:57] <javi404> helllo
[21:59] <pyeverything> figured had to add to metadata in gcp leftyfb
[22:04] <Sven_vB> turns out, it's definitely about the docking station. USB only gives 4.6 volts.