 @TotalSonic [That would be great to see happen. Maybe for OTA-17?], some might break some features, im thinking a 'morph flags' app could be a cool thing to look into making
 things like dark mode are already there
 such an app would be unconfined wouldn't it.......
 ....dark mode?
 like dark mode detection?
 like inverting the webpage colors
 eh? morph can force a dark mode?
 that sounds dangerous 🤔
 @Fuseteam [such an app would be unconfined wouldn't it.......], yep, but i think we can get away with asimple desktop file change
 i love the dark reader firefox addon... it doesn't just invert colours it actually themes all the sites in a nice dark mode style
 @mateosalta [yep, but i think we can get away with asimple desktop file change], i dunno, wouldn't it be better to expose the settings in morph somewhere?
 like the "about:config" in firefox
 certain ones - at first i was thinking of a advanced 'all the flags' type of developer tool
 that's what i was thinking morph was missing, developer tools xD
 You would probably want to send those flags through cpp instead of editing the desktop file.
 so errm... how do  you actually change these 'flags' in morph? is it just a case of launching it with certain CLI arguments?
 @PiecerEdd [i love the dark reader firefox addon... it doesn't just invert colours it actual …], kindof similar - you have a few options for how it changes the color, and what it does with images
 c++?...........oh that's what you mean with editing desktop files 💭
 [Edit] c++?...........oh that's what mateo means with editing desktop files 💭
 [Edit] c++?...........oh that's what Mateo meant with editing desktop files 💭
 actually editing the desktop files also sounds interesting to adjust webapps
 @arthurabdulin [Hi Brian! In the UK on EE network mobile data does not work on Volla running UT. …], * FIXED * … By brian  … Run in Terminal: … /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-context-property 0 Protocol ip
 [Edit] actually editing the desktop files also sounds interesting to adjust webber apps
 @Fuseteam [c++?...........oh that's what Mateo meant with editing desktop files 💭], there are a few places to send the flags
 @mateosalta [there are a few places to send the flags], oh?
 @arthurabdulin [* FIXED * … By brian  … Run in Terminal: … /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-context-pro …], something tells me this is a nudget that is at risk of being buried @UniversalSuperBox
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 @TotalSonic [I would love to be able to get my lavender to not have echoing audio on receiver …], I'm not the maintainer of that port, but I got the device recently, I will see if it can be reproduced for me
 @NotKit [I'm not the maintainer of that port, but I got the device recently, I will see i …], Thanks - I messaged the porter on their Discord channel but haven't heard anything substantial back yet.
 hm, so logically, if I call lavender, I should be able to move lavender to another room, and still hear my own voice when talking with the other device?
 @NotKit [hm, so logically, if I call lavender, I should be able to move lavender to anoth …], The call when placed by the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7  phone running Ubuntu Touch (sender) hears both sender's and receiver's voice as clear - but the person receiving the call (on Android phone) has heard their own voice echoing in these calls, and
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 does it happen only for outgoing calls or both?
 @NotKit [does it happen only for outgoing calls or both?], I haven't tested incoming calls yet - need to do that. But it's happened consistently on outgoing calls - on stable and devel/
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 @TotalSonic [The call when placed by the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7  phone running Ubuntu Touch (sen …], happens on my 3t a3000 (us model)
 might be that a noise cancelation mic picking up and instead looping back
 @mateosalta [might be that a noise cancelation mic picking up and instead looping back], i think that is the likely problem. When I record with the Recorder app on it my voice plays back clear though
 ...so maybe a problem with ofono on the devices??  Just guessing
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 @TotalSonic [i think that is the likely problem. When I record with the Recorder app on it my …], The oneplus one and oneplus 3 also have problems with calling. Both are unusable for daily use
 @Nicktl [The oneplus one and oneplus 3 also have problems with calling. Both are unusable …], The oneplus one on stable should work fine, I used this over 2 years as daily. Why would you think so
 @Flohack [The oneplus one on stable should work fine, I used this over 2 years as daily. W …], Daily? Wow.... I wish I could to use the pixel 2 xl  like you
 Because basic functionality like calling should work to consider it stable. It works with cm but with ubports it didnt
 @Flohack [The oneplus one on stable should work fine, I used this over 2 years as daily. W …], 2 devices here, works fine
 I now use a nexus 5 for the time being
 I hope to use the op3 in the future
 @NikosPantelaros [Daily? Wow.... I wish I could to use the pixel 2 xl  like you], Pixel 2XL is on the move. I published an early port, though for the few days I invested it already works quite well. So giver it a few months, it will become ready ;)
 I have already installed it on the phone and I have been impressed ...
 Is anyone working on the op3 port at the moment? I did not see any commits for years in the repository of the original porter
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 @Nicktl [Is anyone working on the op3 port at the moment? I did not see any commits for y …], Vince from time to time, but he seems not to be in this group. I will ask him
 The repository from vince has not seen any commits for years
 @Nicktl [The repository from vince has not seen any commits for years], Yes he just told me thats the wrong repo ^^
 @Flohack [Vince from time to time, but he seems not to be in this group. I will ask him], I'm here
 @vince1171 [I'm here], I cant mention you sorry ^^
 Strange
 @vince1171
 @Nicktl [Is anyone working on the op3 port at the moment? I did not see any commits for y …], For the latest op3 code you need to look at the halium's repo
 https://github.com/Halium/android_device_oneplus_oneplus3
 but yes, I'm not very active right now
 Thanks i will take a look at it
 @Nicktl [The oneplus one and oneplus 3 also have problems with calling. Both are unusable …], The OnePlus One has absolutely no problems with making clear calls here in the USA - I've used it as a daily driver for a year, and I am actually back to using it now.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mFMXBOLq.png
 who thinks we can customize the prompt on ut? XD
 which prompt?
 the bash prompt :p
 and when will the cult following of flick keyboard starts?
 i'm not satisfied with the url layout yet
 @Fuseteam [the bash prompt :p], you mean the passcode requirement in the terminal? … what's a bassh prompt???
 [Edit] i'm not satisfied with the url layout yet tbh
 @Javacookies [you mean the passcode requirement in the terminal? … what's a bassh prompt???], the `phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~` thingie
 I see, I will be challenging myself to use it exclusively for one week once it lands 😆
 @Fuseteam [the phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~ thingie], ahhh, aren't those the username and device name?
 @Javacookies [I see, I will be challenging myself to use it exclusively for one week once it l …], ha! i honestly should finish up soon, hopefully i can do that for ota 17
 @Javacookies [ahhh, aren't those the username and device name?], yup now look at my screenie
 the whole `username@devicename:path/to/current/directory` is called a bash prompt
 are they easily changed without impact to other stuffs?
 the `home` directory uses the username right?
 yep, i didn't really change the username and devicename xD
 @Fuseteam [the whole username@devicename:path/to/current/directory is called a bash prompt], oh okay, new knowledge for me 😄
 @Fuseteam [yep, i didn't really change the username and devicename xD], so what are they? likke an alias or nickname that's just there for display?
 i just went into my bashrc and changed the PS1
 Yes, just google "how to change bash prompt"
 [Edit] i just went into my bashrc and changed the PS1 xD
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], theres lots of options in .bashrc, presumably that works in UT just the same?
 @PiecerEdd [theres lots of options in .bashrc, presumably that works in UT just the same?], yep pretty much
 not sure how the color part works tho
 or rather why it isn't currently working as it does appears to be included in the bashrc
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 ohw i see there's a commented out "force_color_prompt" variable xD
 then maybe something to add in the terminal app
 create a feature request and maybe I'll try to do it since it looks fun especially if you can change the colors 😄
 the feature is already there
 `vi ~/.bashrc` and have at it
 i think tobiyo tried that but the colouration didnt work?
 Color would also depend on support from the terminal emulator.
 using fish with this terminal is really nice
 many of the things it does, like shortening directories, and the visual autocomplete work really nice on the phone
 what's fish?
 cant believe i never thought of using fish, genius
 did you install it via apt?
 @PiecerEdd [i think tobiyo tried that but the colouration didnt work?], it did work i just needed to change a variable
 i'll post a screenshot after i've customized mine
 @Javacookies [what's fish?], a bash alternative
 ahh cool
 *reboots phone into UT so I can mess with the prompt*
 @Javacookies [what's fish?], https://fishshell.com/
 how did you install it on UT though? just do r/o mount and apt install it?
 i think, maybe harder on the new root sizing?
 muahahahahaha
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gD5BZsvJ.png
 it looks better on the phone btw
 the transparancy thing :)
 hehe nice and colourful
 yeah hehe
 if you turn on tablet mode you get to see your background :)
 now i wonder what directories are involved with fish
 @mateosalta [if you turn on tablet mode you get to see your background :)], that's the point yes xD
 maybe i should just do that for maximum bling
 @mateosalta [if you turn on tablet mode you get to see your background :)], i had no idea! my phone being a weird aspect ratio defaults to 'tablet mode' but the opacity is turned up... ill play with that too
 say whoa~
 ah, so you can do side stage in landscape? try three finger swiping a app to the right
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/cFhkSTR7.png
 @mateosalta [ah, so you can do side stage in landscape? try three finger swiping a app to the …], yeeppp, and the browser has tabs up top too
 hehe the transparency plays weird with side stage
 i think i should post this on /r/ubuntu phone hehehehe
 cool, need to look into making a setting for sidestage seperate from the phone/tablet mode
 [Edit] i think i should post this on /r/ubuntuphone hehehehe
 the 'drag using 3 fingers' thing stays underneath rather than showing my wallpaper
 it would be nice to have transparency working in stage mode tbh
 but i bet that more difficult than it sounds
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Mc2g7GWb.png
 yay my change to the update page made it into dev
 oops wrong one
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9VvVc5Dq.png
 oh, that is funny
 eyyyy transparency works xD
 oddly it works fine the other way roun
 [Edit] eyyyy transparency works in sidestage xD
 @Fuseteam [but i bet that more difficult than it sounds], maybe just a if statment to see if a app is in the stage, then set that background non visible
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/O6Q2m0ev.png
 @mateosalta [maybe just a if statment to see if a app is in the stage, then set that backgrou …], eh? i think it has to do how the surface works in stage mode
 @PiecerEdd [<reply to media>], i'm guessing that three finger swipe thing is always underneath the sidestage
 they are probally just drawing the app over that image
 yeah its odd hehe
 it probably also means the full wallpaper is left
 kinda nice that it works in tablet mode tho 🤔
 presumably it works in windowed too?
 for the phone I think they started unloading the background to save resources
 I was actually wondering why there's a background when the device isn't detected as a tablet
 eyyy
 I tried hardcoding some of my devices and it seems to be behaving the same anyway
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/cNZqU4n6.png
 thats some nice transparency on that terminal hehe
 and the terminal with opacity definitely looks cool with the wallpaper shown at the back 😄
 @PiecerEdd [presumably it works in windowed too?], yes the above is windowed mode
 would be easier to make a app that shows your background
 @mateosalta [for the phone I think they started unloading the background to save resources], oh that kinda makes sense
 sidestage should really be an optional feature … it can be like a split screen feature for UT
 just think of the hacks we were doing for the app launcher type of apps
 Erm... no... the problem is just that the side stage has its own background, and that goes over your normal background
 Because no one ever planned for an app to be transparent
 It's not malicious lol
 not even the terminal? lol
 @Javacookies [sidestage should really be an optional feature … it can be like a split screen fea …], you mean, rather than it only being available for tablets?
 and yeah we know tis not malicious xD
 @PiecerEdd [you mean, rather than it only being available for tablets?], yes
 especially since newer devices are very tall
 @UniversalSuperBox [Erm... no... the problem is just that the side stage has its own background, and …], yep, things are placed on top :)
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's not malicious lol], it's PC gone mad is what it is!!
 @UniversalSuperBox [Erm... no... the problem is just that the side stage has its own background, and …], is the background unloaded for the staged mode?
 I don't think so
 does side stage even work in portrait orientation?
 @PiecerEdd [does side stage even work in portrait orientation?], uh doubt that tbh
 @Fuseteam [is the background unloaded for the staged mode?], well... my terminal is 'correctly' transparent when its the main application in sidestage, its only got the text underneath when it's the 'smaller' application
 @PiecerEdd [well... my terminal is 'correctly' transparent when its the main application in …], with staged mode i meant in the "normal" phone form factor
 @Fuseteam [is the background unloaded for the staged mode?], not for tablet, is why when we hack in tablet mode for the phone, suddenly transparency starts working :)
 hmm
 you can  force tablet mode in tweak tool though cant you by changing the scaling?
 when i change the scaling slider to '12' on my phone it turns into desktop mode
 presumably on a phone thats in phone mode, a similar slide will change it to tablet mode
 @Fuseteam [with staged mode i meant in the "normal" phone form factor], I think so? not sure why the background wouldn't show otherwise, if not it should be, is a common performance trick, even from nokia days
 insdead of drawing layers over each other, get rid of things that are not visible :)
 @mateosalta [I think so? not sure why the background wouldn't show otherwise, if not it shoul …], dalton says no :p
 got desktop mode with my dinky bluetooth mouse rollin' now im  the world's smallest hacker
 i had no idea dsktop mode supported edge snapping too
 I don't think being tagged as a "tablet" can be manipulated y changing the scaling
 I believe it's configured in the device confirguation
 well, it tags it as desktop if you scle it down enough so i dont see why not (and if I scale it up it turns to phone mode too)
 @PiecerEdd [i had no idea dsktop mode supported edge snapping too], it does since like many many years ago and it even has the 3 finger tap to also move and show resize UI
 @PiecerEdd [you can  force tablet mode in tweak tool though cant you by changing the scaling …], tablet mode is a separate mode really
 well that's at least how I remember the code … I've thought about this discussion before so I've already looked at the code 😄
 @PiecerEdd [i had no idea dsktop mode supported edge snapping too], tap a app with three fingers
 3 finger tap is nice!
 tap or drag 😉
 @PiecerEdd [well, it tags it as desktop if you scle it down enough so i dont see why not (an …], because its separate scaling up and down is somewhat related to external display support
 but yeah the browser turns into 'phone mode' if I jack my scaling up... then i turn it down to default and its tablet mode, then i turn it down further and its desktop mode
 another one I want though is a "game" or "immersive mode" where all these gestures are disabled so apps that uses many gesture like games can be used without conflicts
 so presumably on another device where 'phone mode' is the default... turning the scaling down accordingly would see similar changes
 many things are simply basing on screen or app's dimensions … there are things that are controlled via device configuration
 tablet mode -> plugged in -> desktop mode … phone mode -> plugged in -> desktop mode … phone mode -> ??? -> tablet mode
 @Javacookies I have an idea you might be able to help with
 ohh, if only anything you think of can become a reality in a snap...oh wait
 in morph, when you play video of a diffrent aspect then the screen
 @Javacookies [another one I want though is a "game" or "immersive mode" where all these gestur …], sounds like an anbox mode to me :p
 @Fuseteam [tablet mode -> plugged in -> desktop mode … phone mode -> plugged in -> desktop mo …], How
 @Javacookies [ohh, if only anything you think of can become a reality in a snap...oh wait], oh snap
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0cDtwSMA.mp4
 @NikosPantelaros [How], how how?
 uprgade to 20.04 snap! … switch to wayland snap!
 how do i connect it to desktop mode?
 @mateosalta [in morph, when you play video of a diffrent aspect then the screen], do you have more info? I'm waiting LOL
 on some phones there is a button that will fit or fill to the screen size, I did a hack on the youtube app that fills the video, maybe there could be a buttton in morph on the fullscreen indicator bar
 @Fuseteam [tablet mode -> plugged in -> desktop mode … phone mode -> plugged in -> desktop mo …], OK... here's exactly what I've done, please try this and report back... install/open UT tweak tool, go on the 'scaling' option... mine 'defaults' to 21 and its in tablet mode with sidestage and browser tabs etc... if I turn it down to 12, i
[15:47] <ubptgbot> t turns into a desktop (regardless of if its plugged into an external display), if I turn it up to 30, it turns into phone mode with no sidestage and no visible browser tabs
 fun fact, /snap is an writable path in ubuntu touch xD
 @NikosPantelaros [how do i connect it to desktop mode?], does your device support external displays?
 @mateosalta [on some phones there is a button that will fit or fill to the screen size, I did …], you mean something like zooming in if the device is 18:9 but the video is 16:9?
 yep
 I do not know and sorry for my silly question my phone is6 pixel 2 xl
 you dont need external displays to see desktop mode
 just turn the scale down 😆
 I see, that could be cool but I have no idea how to implement it in the top of my head right now 😅
 @NikosPantelaros [I do not know and sorry for my silly question my phone is6 pixel 2 xl], there are no such thing as silly questions
 @PiecerEdd [you dont need external displays to see desktop mode], why not just switch usage modes?
 @NikosPantelaros [I do not know and sorry for my silly question my phone is6 pixel 2 xl], I don't think any pixel phone supports wired external display
 that's what i do :p
 or yes, change usage modes, but usage modes only do windowed or staged, cant choose between tablet and phone mode, gotta do scale change for that
 plus desktop mode is pretty terrible with default scaling because the bars are too big
 there'
 you can only do tablet mode with devices that configured to allow it tho
 duuuude ive literally just told you it works
 you turn scaling up for phone, down for tablet
 works on my device just fine
 it doesn't work on the E5 :p
 @Fuseteam [there are no such thing as silly questions], could you help me by saying what this arrangement might be
 could you help me by saying what this setting could be ???
 @PiecerEdd [works on my device just fine], your device is configured that way
 @NikosPantelaros [could you help me by saying what this arrangement might be], so according to @Javacookies your device may not support external displays
 i doubt it is any fancy configuration on the device's part, the port for my phone is very incomplete 😆
 which phone? maybe it's really configured as tablet
 @PiecerEdd [i doubt it is any fancy configuration on the device's part, the port for my phon …], exactly :p
 its a cosmo communicator... the scaling appears as tablet by default but if i turn it up it turns to phone mode 😆
 @Javacookies [which phone? maybe it's really configured as tablet], cosmo communicator iirc
 Ok thanks
 I see...it's quite a big device so I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentionally configured as tablet
 waaaaait now im just confused
 sidestage still works when its in phone mode
 wait, hol' up how do you even differentiate between "tablet mode" and "phone mode"
 so i guess REALLY, what I'm seeing
 apps change slightly
 in tablet mode, my browser has visible tabs
 whereas in phone mode they're hidden in the up-swipe thing
 @PiecerEdd [sidestage still works when its in phone mode], then they configured it as a tablet :)
 that's just scaling man
 hmmmm.. OK... so what I'm seeing isn't the lomiri desktop itself changing
 just the apps
 your phone is just in tablet mode 😂
 *mind blown*
 thats so weird 😆
 the apps are build to adapt to different screensizes
 they are "convergent" xD
 they probally did that to get the sidestage, that is a keyboard phone right?
 yeah they probably did that on purpose
 i am an idiot, i apologise
 yeah... keyboard, and landscape mode
 can't wait for the fxtec :) I backed the new one
 i imagine its used in one orientation in practice
 it's a clam shell design so it's mostly landscape I guess
 yeah even on android the orientation doesn't work very well, its very janky, the orientation switch on ubports doesn't even work im just stuck in landscape (which is fine by me)
 @mateosalta [can't wait for the fxtec :) I backed the new one], I wouldn't confirm nor deny that I got one myself too 😂
 lol, i've been geting most the phones :p
 @PiecerEdd [yeah even on android the orientation doesn't work very well, its very janky, the …], the orientation switch, locks the orientation in one orientation tho
 oh yeah
 but turning the lock off and rotating, doesnothing
 just to clear the confusion … there's really just staged mode and windowed mode … there's no tablet mode … side-stage is just enabled in landscape when the device is tagged as "tablet"
 @PiecerEdd [but turning the lock off and rotating, doesnothing], sounds like they disabled it
 kinda understandable as it wouldn't work well in practice
 it makes certain apps behave badly (it does so in Android too)
 not sure if lomiri has a way to force orientation change outside app's desktop file configuration
 for example Chatter the IRC app, I can't scroll down on the initial setup screen to add an IRC server 😆
 not in ut tho, apps should kinda work in both portrait or landscape
 have to turn on desktop mode and made the window big to 'scroll down' in that app hehe but once its setup it works fine
 @mateosalta [lol, i've been geting most the phones :p], you do! so anyone out there that needs to test something … ask him! 😆
 @Javacookies [not sure if lomiri has a way to force orientation change outside app's desktop f …], there were some gsettings values, but I don't think they were implemented
 @Javacookies [not sure if lomiri has a way to force orientation change outside app's desktop f …], guess they didn't add an accelerometer or something
 @Fuseteam [not in ut tho, apps should kinda work in both portrait or landscape], for the most part yes, there are a couple of outliers
 I found those and thought it would be easy to make a orientation force app, but the setting didn't work
 bug reports ✨
 @PiecerEdd [for the most part yes, there are a couple of outliers], bug reports ✨
 @mateosalta [there were some gsettings values, but I don't think they were implemented], I'm actually looking for a way to force orientation change in an app on run time
 i don't think ut can do that
 there is the old - just rotate the app
 let the ui flow free ;)
 @Fuseteam [bug reports ✨], yeah, its one of those where I only came across it once and worked around it and then forgot about it until this very conversation so of course my laziness stopped a bug being reported
 @PiecerEdd [yeah, its one of those where I only came across it once and worked around it and …], go forth and report
 @mateosalta [there is the old - just rotate the app], really? I can't remember that
 maybe we can check its code😄
 lets see if i can find examples, mostly games did that
 I always found the desktop file way to be disorienting, if you open the app - but then want to close it, you have to rotate the phone to use the gesture
 yeah actually
 @Javacookies [maybe we can check its code😄], actually now i think about it doesn't tuxracer force an orientation?
 @mateosalta [I always found the desktop file way to be disorienting, if you open the app - bu …], I'm looking for it because I'm thinking of adding a rotate button when morph is in fullscreen (i.e. fullscreen video) so user can rotate even if rotation is locked … I actually thought you were going to this when you asked about video and
[16:11] <ubptgbot>  morph earlier 😄
 probably with its desktop file
 @Fuseteam [actually now i think about it doesn't tuxracer force an orientation?], probably with its desktop file
 @Javacookies [I'm looking for it because I'm thinking of adding a rotate button when morph is …], uh i dunno if we want that 🤔
 @Fuseteam [actually now i think about it doesn't tuxracer force an orientation?], not the best example, the app is rotated, but they force the other orientation
 @Javacookies [probably with its desktop file], doubt it you can set the orientation from within the app
 @mateosalta [not the best example, the app is rotated, but they force the other orientation], ......eh?
 @Fuseteam [go forth and report], fiiineeeeee, thanks to you im sorting out my gitlab account that i forgot the password to! ☺
 @PiecerEdd [fiiineeeeee, thanks to you im sorting out my gitlab account that i forgot the pa …], go go go xD
 btw for those curious this is desktop mode in with default scaling https://t.me/ubports/321702
 @Fuseteam [uh i dunno if we want that 🤔], why though? … I hate when I'm on youtube and I'm locked on portrait and I go to fullscreen and I unlock rotation and rotate. … everything I do is for me you know 😂
 hehe
 @Javacookies [why though? … I hate when I'm on youtube and I'm locked on portrait and I go to fu …], wait wait i forget what happens when you open a video in fullscreen in morph
 it goes to fullscreen? 😆
 but does it rotate or is it portrait fullscreen?
 it stays to whatever orientation you are
 @Javacookies [I'm looking for it because I'm thinking of adding a rotate button when morph is …], css?
 well there are other ways like rotating the while UI while in fullscreen but of course rotating the shell is better so the user won't be confused with the gestures when in that state
 [Edit] well there are other ways like rotating the UI while in fullscreen but of course rotating the shell is better so the user won't be confused with the gestures when in that state
 @Javacookies [it stays to whatever orientation you are], hmmm
 @Javacookies [well there are other ways like rotating the UI while in fullscreen but of course …], ohw right there's a difference between the two
 I think the phone shell should always be in the orentation user is holding (unless they lock it)
 that's the behavior right now but there are people who likes locking rotation (like me 😄)  but there are times you want to rotate for just a moment
 ah that's what tuxracer is doing
 anyway, I'm still experimenting on that 😄
 @Javacookies [that's the behavior right now but there are people who likes locking rotation (l …], unless the app locks in desktop file, then is really confusing for mounted devices, or if you accidently open something :)
 speaking of experimenting since the terminal is unconfined i wonder if it would just grab the background and use that to fake transparency in "phone mode" 🤔
 @Fuseteam [go go go xD], ook, reported... I can't actually remember what other apps are affected
 starting to see what mateo meant with and if statement somewhere.....
 maybe some of these? https://code-boxx.com/lock-screen-orientation/
 [Edit] starting to see what mateo meant with an if statement somewhere.....
 @PiecerEdd [ook, reported... I can't actually remember what other apps are affected], 🎉 if you forgot the other apps tis what it is xD
 its actually a lot worse on android
 there are loads of apps affected by it
 eh?
 including my banking app (oof, that old 'banking app' excuse eh)
 my banking app doesn't work in landscape well at all
 it basically behaves as though its only displaying the top half of the app, and then doesn't let you scroll down
 ah worse on android, i misread that
 brb
 drives me up the wall 😆
 actually I kind of agree, apps shouldn't lock into a specific orientation … we want convergent design so let's enforce it 😁
 @mateosalta [maybe some of these? https://code-boxx.com/lock-screen-orientation/], I've seen this code in the log, looks like morph already tries to execute that when  going fullscreen on a video but it says that it isn't supported in the device … `screen.orientation.lock()`
 https://puddleofcode.com/til/how-to-rotate-screen-in-qt5-qml
 yup that's one way … and  `OrientationHelper` can also help (pun intended 😆)
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 but like I mentioned, this isn't the best way since the shell is still not rotated … although I;d accept it if there's really no other way right now
 @Javacookies [but like I mentioned, this isn't the best way since the shell is still not rotat …], but if you locked it in the indicator it shouldn't rotate right?
 just the app
 yes, jsut the contents of the app
 this looks intresting
 https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-webenginewidgets-videoplayer-example.html
 Hi, I have been in contact with Jeroen Baten about helping out with documentation. He suggested I reach out to @kiazennn to get started but I can't seem to find anyone on telegram with that username. If someone could help me find this person(or anyone in charge of documentation for the project)  that would be really great, thanks!
 @Kaizennn
 ^
 Ok so I guess that is their username... when I checked it didn't bring anyone up. I'll try again. Thanks for confirming.
 welcome! looks like you had a letter switched around
 try clicking on the one I pasted
 I did, and sent him a message. much appreciated!
 @Javacookies [yes, jsut the contents of the app], oh, I wonder if something like this has effect -  export QT_QPA_EGLFS_ROTATION=90
 what does it do? 😅
 we aren't using eglfs though right?
 @mateosalta [https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-webenginewidgets-videoplayer-example.html], i'm reading this now..looks interesting indeed
 @mateosalta [we aren't using eglfs though right?], yeah, I don;t think so
 I did come up with a wayland check, to get fullscreen going on pinephone in the same app :)
 https://github.com/mateosalta/cuddly-bassoon/blob/cpp/main.cpp
 my mind can't digest it right now 😅 … but thanks for these, I'll definitely check them 👍
 speaking of which what about going fullscreen when morph is playing a video and the phone is rotated?
 I think a feature of chromimum on android
 I saw a flag, but had asterisk
 @Fuseteam [speaking of which what about going fullscreen when morph is playing a video and …], automatically? I don't quite get it 😅 … morph already goes fullscreen if you switch the video to fullscreen
 many pages have this feature
 @Javacookies [automatically? I don't quite get it 😅 … morph already goes fullscreen if you swit …], yes automatically like youtube does on android
 what about --main-frame-resizes-are-orientation-changes
 @mateosalta [I think a feature of chromimum on android], wait it is?
 https://peter.sh/experiments/chromium-command-line-switches/#main-frame-resizes-are-orientation-changes
 @mateosalta [what about --main-frame-resizes-are-orientation-changes], oh my
 When a page tries to do it in Morph Browser an error is thrown
 @Fuseteam [yes automatically like youtube does on android], you mean the app or youtube on a browser? … I feel like I don't want that to happen all the time
 @Javacookies [you mean the app or youtube on a browser? … I feel like I don't want that to happe …], it the browser
 which android version? my HTC with Android 8 doesn't do it 😅
 oh wait, that's Brave
 @Javacookies [you mean the app or youtube on a browser? … I feel like I don't want that to happe …], you don't? to me it sounds way easier to press play and rotate and to exit you rotate back to portrait
 @Javacookies [you mean the app or youtube on a browser? … I feel like I don't want that to happe …], [Edit] you don't? to me it sounds way easier to press play and rotate to landscape and to exit you rotate back to portrait
 or just swipe up to start scrolling :)
 still no with chrome 😅
 @Fuseteam [you don't? to me it sounds way easier to press play and rotate to landscape and …], I understand it more now and I guess it can indeed be useful
 just needs a reliable way of knowing that a video is playing and how to fullscreen the video
 wait what if there are multiple videos playing?
 @Javacookies [you mean the app or youtube on a browser? … I feel like I don't want that to happe …], i mean that feature of youtube the app could be a feature for videos in morph in general
 @Javacookies [wait what if there are multiple videos playing?], ......who in there right mind would do that 😂
 this is more convenient but seems to be more complicated to implement so I don't like it 😝
 @Javacookies [wait what if there are multiple videos playing?], [Edit] ......who in their right mind would do that 😂
 @Fuseteam [......who in their right mind would do that 😂], autoplay ads LOL
 convenience »»»»complications
 @Fuseteam [i mean that feature of youtube the app could be a feature for videos in morph in …], okay so it is indeed a feature of app and not the browser?
 @Javacookies [autoplay ads LOL], gotta block 'em all lol
 @Javacookies [okay so it is indeed a feature of app and not the browser?], no, the browser in other phones has it too
 the way locked rotation works in android is actually pretty nice, generally
 @Javacookies [okay so it is indeed a feature of app and not the browser?], i don't tend to use the browser for videos tbh so i dunno about that side tbh
 eh, I feel like going to fullscreen and rotate is more intentional with not much extra steps 😄
 @dohbee [the way locked rotation works in android is actually pretty nice, generally], but locking seems to default to portrait
 unless a video is played
 @Fuseteam [i don't tend to use the browser for videos tbh so i dunno about that side tbh], it'll affect webapps as well
 @Javacookies [eh, I feel like going to fullscreen and rotate is more intentional with not much …], play and rotate is intentional no?
 @Javacookies [it'll affect webapps as well], i know :p
 @mateosalta [no, the browser in other phones has it too], oh okay, I guess my HTC is just too old for that
 I think is up to the website to use it too
 aha! android has the same issue I got when I was experimenting with the rotation … the video sometimes doesn't goes into position when rotating...though on UT, it's all the time 😅
 That should be fixed on all devices and zoom levels now
 @mateosalta [I think is up to the website to use it too], wait are we talking about rotating while playing a video and automatically goes to fullscreen and rotate or fullscreen and it automatically rotates? … because the latter happens on my HTC. It seems to detect the aspect ratio of the video to determine if the screen needs to rota
[17:07] <ubptgbot> te
 oh wait, this is what you mentioned earlier 😅
 @Fuseteam [unless a video is played], not exactly
 @Javacookies [wait are we talking about rotating while playing a video and automatically goes …], both, but yes - the first one happens on some websites
 so those are implemented by the sites and not the browser?
 feature used by the website, but depends on a feature the browser has I think
 yeah it seems
 the javascript I mentioned earlier is appraently not supported by morph or UT
 probably the error mentioned by dalton
 yeah, I've just seen that like earlier today or yesterday 😄
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1288332
 hm, says fixed
 I wonder how difficult to support it though I guess the more important thing iis to support forcing oriientation via app
 "Expose Mir surface orientation property to QML"
 apps should only list what orientations they support
 and user can specify what orientation they want, if app supports it
 yeah, but we need something to force it at run time to get something like how android automatically rotates the shell for example in the browser when playing a video
 but it doesn't do that
 android doesn't automatically rotate and full screen video playback
 It sure can, though. Pressing the Fullscreen button in the YouTube app changes the screen orientation if needed, despite what it was previously.
 the app is not the browser
 pretty sure just rotating it fullscreens the video
 youtube app is doing something different
 @Javacookies [yeah, but we need something to force it at run time to get something like how an …], I don't think we want it to rotate the shell, just the video
 @mateosalta [I don't think we want it to rotate the shell, just the video], shell needs rotating too. otherwise things get weird
 yeah especially with lomiri since gestures are side sensitive
 in which you want the gestures to always be the way you hold the device
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 hm, is the xenial branch of morph building with clickable for anyone
 there's an issue with qt5.9 images in clickable for amd64 … but it should be fine for other archs
 hm
 maybe some changes for the new qt have it in a state - luckily the deb works fine, just was very easy with clickable :)
[18:52] <Shadowbird2468> hey, what was the page url mentioned at the end of the last Ubuntu Touch Q&A video, that needed romanian translation? my wife could check it, she is romania-english translator
[18:54] <Shadowbird2468> I have difficulties hearing the whole url properly ^^
 I think here: https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports-website/#languages
[18:54] <Shadowbird2468> okey, ty!
 oh, I think this was the big one: https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports-docs/#languages
 the documents site
 it does list romamian there
[18:57] <Shadowbird2468> yea, alright
 my teleports notifcations are really late recently … maybe because I have many active UT devices right now 😅
 Hello … Why unity8 is so unastabl
 [Edit] Hello … Why unity8 is so unastable?
 because it's Lomiri now 😛
 which device?
 Desktop
 On ubuntu 18.04
 ahh, because there's not much effort done on the desktop side
 although there are efforts on running Lomiri on other distros like Manjaro and debian and those efforts will help on the desktop side I believe
 Firefox
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 Hello!
[19:41] <ubptgbot> Fulmine29 was added by: Fulmine29
 hi
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @TotalSonic [The call when placed by the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7  phone running Ubuntu Touch (sen …], That’s also happening with me on redmi note 7
 i have samsung galaxy A10 its possibile to install ubuntu touch?
 Question, I have a OnePlusOne from spare pieces that is an only offline device and I love using it to watch videos and read... How can I load a PDF viewer onto it offline such as with APKs?
 @By brian All rights reserved [That’s also happening with me on redmi note 7], Maybe you could ask the porters to look into this as well - I've asked, but the more that do, then perhaps it will get some greater incentive to look for a fix - you can contact DanctNIX at - https://discord.com/channels/370595587097362454/445958410580525058
 i have samsung galaxy A10 its possibile to install ubuntu touch?
 @Fulmine29 [i have samsung galaxy A10 its possibile to install ubuntu touch?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/  follow the community's work and stay higher on the list ;)
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @TotalSonic [Maybe you could ask the porters to look into this as well - I've asked, but the …], Yeah I’m on his discord I’ll message him in a bit seems a common problem
 @mh4Speech [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/  follow the community's work and stay higher on …], mmh not listed
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[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Adaline Tyson> Нurrу up to tаkе a whip frоm Мusк !!! - https://bit.ly/2YN0Epj … 🤑🤑🤑
 Greetings everyone, … I have bought a Volla Phone (gigaset gs290) preinstalled with UT16.04. … Now I run into the following issues. Phone is not detected as an external drive when connected via usb-c cable, it will also not charge via same cable (does work with walloutlet and same cable). Also not able to transfer data via Bluetooth
[19:54] <ubptgbot>  and the microSD card is not recognised (just got the tip it needs to be formatted to FAT-32) … Anyone have any idea?
 Is there a way to install Apps offline like an APK?
 @mh4Speech [Is there a way to install Apps offline like an APK?], You can download a click file and tap on it in the filemanager. Open that with OpenStore app to install.
 @mh4Speech [Is there a way to install Apps offline like an APK?], Yes, you need a `click` file built correctly for your phone (armhf or arm64), and then open it in File Manager, and then choose "Open Store" app in the dialog that will pop up to install it
 You can also run a terminal command if you really want to do it the nerd way. 😊
 pkcon install-local something.click I believe 😆
 wait am i getting confused
 pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted xxxxx.click
 ahh yeah forgot that bit
 @ChoraiiTammas [Greetings everyone, … I have bought a Volla Phone (gigaset gs290) preinstalled wit …], sometimes devices are really finicky about the USB-C cable they are being hooked up to for connection to PC - try some different cables.  Are you connecting to a Linux, Windows or Mac.
 @ChoraiiTammas [Greetings everyone, … I have bought a Volla Phone (gigaset gs290) preinstalled wit …], [Edit] sometimes devices are really finicky about the USB-C cable they are being hooked up to for connection to PC - try some different cables.  Are you connecting to a Linux, Windows or Mac?
 @TotalSonic [sometimes devices are really finicky about the USB-C cable they are being hooked …], Connecting to Windows10 which, according to the FAQ, should have the phone shown as an external drive.
 @ChoraiiTammas [Greetings everyone, … I have bought a Volla Phone (gigaset gs290) preinstalled wit …], There was a Bluetooth File Transfer app that needs to be built for arm64 - maybe we can bug the developer for a new build that would support arm64 devices (like Volla) - https://open-store.io/app/ubtd.fourloop2002
 @ChoraiiTammas [Connecting to Windows10 which, according to the FAQ, should have the phone shown …], are you able to detect other Android devices when you plug them into this computer with the same cable?
 @TotalSonic [There was a Bluetooth File Transfer app that needs to be built for arm64 - maybe …], Mmm... bugging developers.... sounds good 😇 … Btw, I did try different cables, and tested with a different device.  … Cables didn't work with the Volla, and other device (Android) did work fine.
 @ChoraiiTammas [Mmm... bugging developers.... sounds good 😇 … Btw, I did try different cables, an …], hmm, my Volla is flashed to Volla OS currently - so can't double check for you.  Can you go into developer mode and see if you can ADB into the phone?
 i think there might be known issue with mtp for android 9 devices still
 @dohbee [i think there might be known issue with mtp for android 9 devices still], oh, that would explain it
 would ssh work??
 well, using sftp from windows is i guess not that intuitive
 yeah, I have no idea how to do that myself
 @TotalSonic [hmm, my Volla is flashed to Volla OS currently - so can't double check for you. …], I had enable developer mode, but that's as far as I get (UT novice 😉) So, what's ADB ?
 @ChoraiiTammas [Greetings everyone, … I have bought a Volla Phone (gigaset gs290) preinstalled wit …], hm, mine connects with usb
 @ChoraiiTammas [I had enable developer mode, but that's as far as I get (UT novice 😉) So, what' …], ADB is a method of flashing firmware and images to your phone via Terminal.  On Windows you need to install "Minimal ADB and Fastboot Tool" - https://www.androidblog.gs/download-install-adb-and-fastboot-windows/
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 @TotalSonic [ADB is a method of flashing firmware and images to your phone via Terminal.  On …], Got that installed and have a "dos-box"
 Developer mode is on
[21:31] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> The what’s app UT does it track you the same as the android and iOS versions
 @By brian All rights reserved [The what’s app UT does it track you the same as the android and iOS versions], what do you mean? there is no whatsapp for UT. you can only use whatsapp web, same as using it in browser on your PC. and on UT, if you're using a webapp (not just opening the page in the browser), it's a confined browser instance,
[21:35] <ubptgbot>  and it can't read data from other apps
[22:08] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Thats great thank you
 are anbox apps confined from each other too or is there one over-arching 'anbox confinement'