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 @ChoraiiTammas [Got that installed and have a "dos-box"], Connect your phone, start the "Minimal ADB and Fastboot" and then enter `adb devices` in the terminal (Command Prompt) - does it list the Volla there?
 UT apps I really wish were built for arm64 as well:   UBsync, Linphone, Bluetooth File Transfer.  Oh, and "Snowball World" - this one, unlike the first three  one isn't critical at all, but is certainly fun.  I was happy to see how many apps have been updated to arm64 though.
 @Javacookies [that's the behavior right now but there are people who likes locking rotation (l …], Me too!
 @Fuseteam [......who in their right mind would do that 😂], I remember there was (maybe still is?) some website to make two YouTube videos play simultaneously which can be cool if, for example, you'd like to soundtrack a video clip of a real-world event with a fitting piece of music.
 @dohbee [what do you mean? there is no whatsapp for UT. you can only use whatsapp web, sa …], the web one still requires connection to an android phone i think - so tracking would be there
 Warning - long post - skip if you are on Matrix bridge: … My wish list for a UT device to use as daily driver in the last months before 3G is shut down off of the T-mobile network: clear phone calls; 4g/LTE mobile data; decent camera with zoom, flash and video all working; fgps usable; usb-c fast charging; good battery life; micro-sd s
[04:06] <ubptgbot> lot; good looking display and feels good in hand; and least critical but fun to have, fingerprint unlock.  None of my current options have it all. … * Volla Phone - everything! -  except limited to 2g mobile data on T-mobile, and on AT&T gets LTE mobile but no phone calling.  … * Meizu Pro 5 - limited to 3G/HSPA, and sadly I recently dropped mine w
[04:06] <ubptgbot> ithout a screen protector on and cracked screen - womp, womp  … * Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - really nice with most of my wish list- except critical bug of echoing on phone calls, video recording freezes on first frame; some other minor bugginess … * OnePlus One - gets 4g/LTE mobile data and makes clear phone calls - but camera is really mediocre in qual
[04:06] <ubptgbot> ity, and does not have working zoom or flash, gps barely works and is most often unable to find location; its display is feeling a little clunky to me,  and its battery performance and charging speed is not all that great.  … SO - the question is - is there an already ported device able to do everything in my wish list??  Otherwise I guess I need t
[04:06] <ubptgbot> o just use the AOSP based Volla OS and change to AT&T if I wish to use that device - or flash something similar to my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 if I want to stay on T-mobile - but I do not like even de-googled Android all that much.
 Definitely the above is a "first world" problem for sure.  Once I have this sorted I will be donating at least one of these devices to someone that is wanting a UT capable device.
 maybe something to post in the forums instead 😄 … but it's good that you're really invested into UT 👍
 @Javacookies [maybe something to post in the forums instead 😄 … but it's good that you're reall …], yup - posted this in the forum as well.
 okay 👍
 The fact that I can't use UT on my Volla Phone as a daily driver gives me such a sad though - it truly is a great piece of hardware that works great with UT, but being able to make phone calls while having decent mobile data is kind of the main needs of a "daily driver" capable device.
 [Edit] Warning - long post - skip if you are on Matrix bridge: … My wish list for a UT device to use as daily driver in the last months before 3G is shut down off of the T-mobile network: clear phone calls; 4g/LTE mobile data; decent camera with zoom, flash and video all working; gps usable; usb-c fast charging; good battery life; micr
[04:15] <ubptgbot> o-sd slot; good looking display and feels good in hand; and least critical but fun to have, fingerprint unlock.  None of my current options have it all. … * Volla Phone - everything! -  except limited to 2g mobile data on T-mobile, and on AT&T gets LTE mobile but no phone calling.  … * Meizu Pro 5 - limited to 3G/HSPA, and sadly I recently dropped
[04:15] <ubptgbot> mine without a screen protector on and cracked screen - womp, womp  … * Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - really nice with most of my wish list- except critical bug of echoing on phone calls, video recording freezes on first frame; some other minor bugginess … * OnePlus One - gets 4g/LTE mobile data and makes clear phone calls - but camera is really mediocre i
[04:15] <ubptgbot> n quality, and does not have working zoom or flash, gps barely works and is most often unable to find location; its display is feeling a little clunky to me,  and its battery performance and charging speed is not all that great.  … SO - the question is - is there an already ported device able to do everything in my wish list??  Otherwise I guess I
[04:15] <ubptgbot> need to just use the AOSP based Volla OS and change to AT&T if I wish to use that device - or flash something similar to my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 if I want to stay on T-mobile - but I do not like even de-googled Android all that much.
 yeah definitely, cellular functions are the utmost important … I don't do calls and texts much but it's very important that I can receive them reliably and do them when I need them.
 @Javacookies [yeah definitely, cellular functions are the utmost important … I don't do calls an …], I run my own business too, so it is critical that I can use my phone, well, as a phone ;)
 im still getting calls, did tmobile update the cutoff date?
 did you get a message about being cut off?
 nope
 (because i sure haven't)
 @mateosalta [im still getting calls, did tmobile update the cutoff date?], I am still sending and receiving calls great on my Volla and OnePlus One via T-mobile.  I have not received any notice of shut down yet.
 i've never received any notice about a timeline of shutdown, even
 there was just the blog post they had that set a date that was in last moth
 and if i get remotely close to 2GB, i get a text message about how i won't save $10 on my bill
 Yup.  But has anyone tried to activate a new 3g only device with T-mobile recently?
 @dohbee [and if i get remotely close to 2GB, i get a text message about how i won't save …], Volla phone is limited to 2g mobile data via T-mobile in my experience.
 @mateosalta [there was just the blog post they had that set a date that was in last moth], i've never seen any actual info from t-mobile about it. only third party android sites, really
 @TotalSonic [Yup.  But has anyone tried to activate a new 3g only device with T-mobile recent …], well they dont lock to sim, so you could just buy a perpaid sim
 @TotalSonic [Yup.  But has anyone tried to activate a new 3g only device with T-mobile recent …], no, because why would i want something so slow?
 @TotalSonic [Yup.  But has anyone tried to activate a new 3g only device with T-mobile recent …], [Edit] well they dont lock to imei, so you could just buy a perpaid sim
 it gets texts and calls im fine
 nobody wants to call me anyway, that i care to hear from, so 🤷‍♀️
 @dohbee [no, because why would i want something so slow?], Well these aren't issues to you, because you don't use UT as a daily driver. Perhaps I should rephrase that as a "non-VoLTE capable" - the requirement for 3g is for phone calls (which I was not able to do with Volla when I demoed an AT&T sim)
 certainally many use cases for diffrent people
 @dohbee [nobody wants to call me anyway, that i care to hear from, so 🤷‍♀️], I run a business where taking phone calls mean dollar bills in my account.
 @TotalSonic [Well these aren't issues to you, because you don't use UT as a daily driver. Per …], but even if a device is 4G capable, if UT can't do VoLTE, and the idea is to drop devices which don't do VoLTE off the network, then the "3g only" part is irrelevant
 if you turn off VoLTE on a Pixel 5, it should theoretically exhibit the same issue
 @TotalSonic [Well these aren't issues to you, because you don't use UT as a daily driver. Per …], oh i still need to test apns and stuff for you
 @dohbee [but even if a device is 4G capable, if UT can't do VoLTE, and the idea is to dro …], again, I phrased it poorly in my initial reply.  Again - I really want a device which can get LTE mobile data AND make phone calls which can run UT - along with some other wish list items that seem reasonable requests that I noted in my origin
[04:26] <ubptgbot> al post.  Again - my question was - what currently ported device can give me everything on my wish list??
 @dohbee [but even if a device is 4G capable, if UT can't do VoLTE, and the idea is to dro …], [Edit] again, I phrased it poorly in my initial reply.  I really want a device which can get LTE mobile data AND make phone calls which can run UT - along with some other wish list items that seem reasonable requests that I noted in my origina
[04:27] <ubptgbot> l post.  Again - my question was - what currently ported device can give me everything on my wish list??
 @mateosalta [oh i still need to test apns and stuff for you], Appreciated if you do!!!!
 @TotalSonic [again, I phrased it poorly in my initial reply.  I really want a device which ca …], nexus 5
 the sony xperia x performance is quite good
 i guess probably also nexus 6p,pixel 3a, etc…
 just stop buying phones that are made for markets that aren't north america
 @mateosalta [the sony xperia x performance is quite good], you are getting good call quality?  No echo on receiver's end?
 not sure
 certainally not as bad as the 3t if it was, not getting major complaints
 @dohbee [just stop buying phones that are made for markets that aren't north america], I wanted to support a really worthy effort from Volla - and it get calls on T-mobile, and it gets LTE on AT&T - just not both from a single carrier using UT - although it seems if I change to "Volla OS" it will get VoLTE with AT&T just fine.
 @dohbee [nexus 5], nah - doesn't have half of wish list items at all.
 well "Volla OS" is android, so sure
 @TotalSonic [nah - doesn't have half of wish list items at all.], eh? it has LTE data and can do voice/sms
 i guess it has at least one band in common
 hell, i used nexus 5 with UT as my only phone for like 2.5-3 years in 2014-2017 (and used android a bit somewhere in the middle)
 @dohbee [eh? it has LTE data and can do voice/sms], you didn't read my wish list after those two items:  decent camera with zoom, flash and video all working; gps usable; usb-c fast charging; good battery life; micro-sd slot; good looking display and feels good in hand; and least critical but fun to have, fingerprint unlock.
 @TotalSonic [you didn't read my wish list after those two items:  decent camera with zoom, fl …], i can't keep track of your personal pet peeves. the things you listed in the comment i replied to are all supported by nexus 5
 Well - again - I have a working OnePlus One that does better than the Nexus 5.  I am hoping for better than that and still able to use UT.
 xperia performance no zoom no flash
 if you must have a microSD slot, you're just limiting yourself mostly to devices which will be problematic in the US
 @mateosalta [xperia performance no zoom no flash], yeah, I figured.
 @dohbee [if you must have a microSD slot, you're just limiting yourself mostly to devices …], again, it is a wish list item. But I have a big music collection that I have saved as flac, so having the extra storage makes it nicely portable.
 @dohbee [if you must have a microSD slot, you're just limiting yourself mostly to devices …], Well, nothing particular about the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 being problematic for here in the USA - it's just suffering from a couple of critical bugs in its current UT port.
 So - right now, my main choices for daily driver are stick with UT on OnePlus One, or migrate to AOSP and use a more modern device on an OS I don't like as much as UT.
 Have to say again - UT on a Volla is indeed a thing of beauty - minus the minor blemish of indicators not working great with the notch yet.  If you tried the combo out you would really want to be able to daily drive it too.
 [Edit] Have to say again - UT on a Volla is indeed a thing of beauty - minus the minor blemish of indicators not working great with the notch yet.  If someone looking for other than the two usual solutions, tried the combo out I bet they would really want to be able to daily drive it too.
 [Edit] Have to say again - UT on a Volla is indeed a thing of beauty - minus the minor blemish of indicators not working great with the notch yet.  If someone looking for other than the two usual solutions, tried the combo out, I bet they would really want to be able to daily drive it too.
 In contrast - Volla on "Volla OS" just makes me go "meh" though.  I heart Ubuntu Touch :)
 well "volla os" is /e/ with some modifications, i guess. not the same as just running lineage+microg or something
 @dohbee [well "volla os" is /e/ with some modifications, i guess. not the same as just ru …], it is nicely de-googled at least.  Just clunky to me - it's been a couple years since I used Android, and I never really liked the OS in the first place, so have to relearn my way around the thing.
 24/12 hour AM/PM  how to change time format?
 Top right courner
 @arthurabdulin [24/12 hour AM/PM  how to change time format?], +1
 @TotalSonic [Yup.  But has anyone tried to activate a new 3g only device with T-mobile recent …], Yes, they won't do it. Neither will AT&T
 @arthurabdulin [24/12 hour AM/PM  how to change time format?], no manual way to do it currently … I believe it depends on your chosen language
 I talked to tech support. They said a technical issue kept the 3G network from dropping on the 29th. They cannot give a day, but they said it could be any day as soon as they resolve it. They refused to identify what that technical issue is
 @rocket2nfinity [Yes, they won't do it. Neither will AT&T], yeah, so frustrating that I was unable to get a phone signal in my demo of AT&T using Volla, since LTE was coming in perfectly.
 @rocket2nfinity [Yes, they won't do it. Neither will AT&T], [Edit] yeah, so frustrating that I was unable to get a phone signal in my demo of AT&T using Volla with UT, since LTE was coming in perfectly.
 AT&T will only activate devices with active VoLTE.
 Still researching that problem. I'm determined to figure it out.
 @rocket2nfinity [AT&T will only activate devices with active VoLTE.], well, the sales guy I was talking to seemed perfectly happy to port my number over from T-mobile over to an AT&T sim - but then I would be left with a mobile data only device.  If only there was a working VoIP solution for UT right now, then this could be not that bi
[05:23] <ubptgbot> g of a deal breaker.
 @rocket2nfinity [Still researching that problem. I'm determined to figure it out.], I appreciate your efforts on this!
 Unfortunately even the existing Linphone app for armhf devices was half baked though.
 I agree. Either that or push notifications for morph. I guess we'll see which gets solved first
 In a pinch, there's google voice. But, once again, you only get notifications when the screen is on and the window active
 @Javacookies [no manual way to do it currently … I believe it depends on your chosen language], I have changed to United States and AM/PM has appeared. Thanks for the tip!
 You could always go with a PinePhone and keep the Volla on the side.
 @TotalSonic [well, the sales guy I was talking to seemed perfectly happy to port my number ov …], is it problematic to get data only SIM from AT&T?
 No, but they have not made it clear if they will allow devices not on their whitelist to stay on as a data device
 T-mobile has said they will
 I do know, they kicked off my PinePhone. And it was using VoLTE. But is not on their whitelist
 Rather infuriating
 how do they detect device model? by IMEI?
 @NotKit [how do they detect device model? by IMEI?], yep, and the want you to put the imei switch in your settings online
 so no just swapping sims
 what if you also copy IMEI from phone that works?
 @rocket2nfinity [I do know, they kicked off my PinePhone. And it was using VoLTE. But is not on t …], AT&T stopped both data and calls with your PinePhone? Or just calls??
 Both
 @NotKit [what if you also copy IMEI from phone that works?], That trick used to work with Verizon. Now they send you a message saying put the Sim back in your registered phone.
 So, AT&T might detect that as well
 @rocket2nfinity [Both], Ugh. Then I imagine they might do that with Volla phone even running Android. :(
 Especially since they are checking the imei of the phone currently on their network
 @TotalSonic [Ugh. Then I imagine they might do that with Volla phone even running Android. :(], it should be fine if you sign up for prepaid using that imei
 i will try switching mine
 but with att you can't just hot swap the sim
 @mateosalta [i will try switching mine], Thanks for testing
 Can you reassign an AT&T sim oneself though?
 T-Mobile has been really great for hot swapping
 All I know is, you put in a sim from a registered AT&T phone. It will work for a few minutes, and then you'll get cut off with a message saying your device is not AT&T HD Voice certified! Click this link to see compatible AT&T devices
 @rocket2nfinity [All I know is, you put in a sim from a registered AT&T phone. It will work for a …], Not an ideal situation at all.
 @Javacookies [no manual way to do it currently … I believe it depends on your chosen language], Do you know of any english varient that support 12hr time format?
 @Sanath [Do you know of any english varient that support 12hr time format?], United States
 @TotalSonic [United States], Thanks👍
 @TotalSonic [Warning - long post - skip if you are on Matrix bridge: … My wish list for a UT de …], It's a shame, I had all of this in the UK for my Pro 5, but the bands in North America are not so friendly outside of certain major cities. And you'd have to use a script to get the fingerprint reader working but c'est la vie.
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 Oh and both handset's USB ports died, as did in fact my MX4's; lesson learned no more second hands from Meizu.
 @TartanSpartan [It's a shame, I had all of this in the UK for my Pro 5, but the bands in North A …], The scripts to update the modem and get the finger print reader working work fine though - one thing I love about UT is there are indeed things you can fix just by opening the Terminal and pasting in a few commands.  And the Meizu Pro 5
[06:20] <ubptgbot>  (similar to the Volla Phone) is great in that all the functions can be made to work with UT - the only big issue in North American use being frequency band compatibility with the carriers here.  But given how its days for being able to make calls and get data in the USA are presumed to be numbered, I am not going to replace my Pro 5 with another.
 Very true, even if my newer one was still capable of charging, the should-be better compatibility of the Vollaphone with my networks of choice here would soon have pushed me away.
 I'm looking forward to a virgin phone which will read zero (or close to zero) charge cycles in Upower Indicator.
 That said I'm not sure if it's yet compatible with that indicator.
 @TartanSpartan [Oh and both handset's USB ports died, as did in fact my MX4's; lesson learned no …], Yeah - the one whose screen I just cracked is my third, I had an Ubuntu Edition whose display stopped working (probably a ribbon cable coming loose, but I don't have tools, time, skill or patience to open it up), and a second TD-LTE ver
[06:25] <ubptgbot> sion whose sim card and micro-sd card stopped working (which I am remiss in not having mailed off to Dalton as previously promised yet - need to take that errand off the procrastination list.
 @TartanSpartan [Oh and both handset's USB ports died, as did in fact my MX4's; lesson learned no …], [Edit] Yeah - the one whose screen I just cracked is my third, I had an Ubuntu Edition whose display stopped working (probably a ribbon cable coming loose, but I don't have tools, time, skill or patience to open it up), and a second TD-
[06:25] <ubptgbot> LTE version whose sim card and micro-sd card stopped being recognized at all for some reason but which otherwise works fine (and which I am remiss in not having mailed off to Dalton as previously promised yet - need to take that errand off the procrastination list.
 Aha. The display is an easy fix, basically the first ribbon in the assembly as you open it. If we lived in the same town I'd happily lend you my tools to pop it open.
 @TartanSpartan [Aha. The display is an easy fix, basically the first ribbon in the assembly as y …], so many tasks, so little time.  I would ship it off to you for you to fix and have, but there is possibly personal data on there.
 Was always upset when my first tablet (a MemoPad HD7, not UT-compatible)'s SD card port died, and looked quite the nanotech job to fix. And how easily it's touch-controlling ribbons would detach, so running your thumbnail around the casing was an almost daily requirement. It never even saw an update beyond Android 4.4.
 @Javacookies [no manual way to do it currently … I believe it depends on your chosen language], Do you where the language related files are present in Ubports repo,if I habe add support for 12hr for other locales?
 That's good to know- I'll also have to be there in person if I ever have my Meizu devices professionally repaired so I could wipe them and sell them on.
 @TartanSpartan [That's good to know- I'll also have to be there in person if I ever have my Meiz …], well, if I can adb into it somehow maybe I can wipe it all clean even with no display.  But then I imagine the next person would have to go through the pain of reformatting and repartitioning it in order to get UT loaded on it.
 If you could ADB into ``home`` then you'd need not format it outright.
 [Edit] If you could ADB into `home` then you'd need not format it outright.
 Hello. Tell me. how to implement the ability to play video captured on the camera (the player throws out when trying to play) and the ability to display thumbnails of photos in the gallery (Sony Xperia 10 Plus)
 I've thought about teaching myself how to do certain tasks headless, such as powering on a PS4 then shutting it down fully/safely to prove it doesn't have a bomb in an airport, but thankfully they didn't ask me to do that when I moved it over to Canada.
 @DennoGram [Hello. Tell me. how to implement the ability to play video captured on the camer …], if we knew how we would fix it tbf
 @Fuseteam [if we knew how we would fix it tbf], Thank you for the answer
 @TartanSpartan [If you could ADB into home then you'd need not format it outright.], ok, maybe I will give that a try in the next couple of weeks
 @TotalSonic [yeah, I have no idea how to do that myself], You can use Filezilla ;)
 @Oliv4945 [You can use Filezilla ;)], oh, easier than I thought.
 @Oliv4945 [You can use Filezilla ;)], I've never used ssh into a phone myself, thanks for the info
 hmmm, on Windows seems you can do it using PuTTy as well - https://techwiser.com/how-to-access-your-android-from-computer-using-ssh/
 Sure but Filezilla will give you a nice GUI https://filezilla-project.org/
 @Oliv4945 [Sure but Filezilla will give you a nice GUI https://filezilla-project.org/], yeah, I use it already - but just to maintain my own remotely hosted website usually
[07:12] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Hi, I use anbox for few apps such as Discord. I'm pretty impressed by the performances. I have 1 question: webview does not work I cannot browse inside anbox, have you got a browser that works in this environment ? I tried Firefox without success. A workaround could be to copy/past the URL but it does not either...
 @Oliv4945 [Sure but Filezilla will give you a nice GUI https://filezilla-project.org/], [Edit] yeah, I use it already - but just to maintain my own remotely hosted website usually.  Thanks again for the tip on this!
 The webrenderer for UT Anbox needs a lot of work unfortunately. Eventually, hopefully, it will get there.
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[07:19] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> OK.
[07:20] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> I'm gonna try to find a workout to transfer the URL easily outside anbox
 @I am Me [Hi, I use anbox for few apps such as Discord. I'm pretty impressed by the perfor …], which device are you using?
[07:40] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Volla phone
 @Javacookies [which device are you using?], As for me anbox lags on Volla a lot
 @Lukapanio [As for me anbox lags on Volla a lot], Even in simple app
 @TotalSonic [So - right now, my main choices for daily driver are stick with UT on OnePlus On …], Well OPO doe snot have microSD, but we are upgrading it to Halium 7.1, and there camera flash zoom and focus work nicely
[07:52] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> I use discord and keybase and my OTP daily without any issue
[07:52] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Little bit slower than real android phone but nothing dramatic
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 @Flohack [Well OPO doe snot have microSD, but we are upgrading it to Halium 7.1, and there …], That's great to hear.  Amazing that the UT team is able to take care of that amidst all the other stuff with QT5.12 and rebasing to 20.04 going on.
 @TotalSonic no luck, not even lte on mine - i must be out of that bands coverage
 so looks like no 2g for calls on that
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic no luck, not even lte on mine - i must be out of that bands coverage], yeah - I think I was getting 850 MHz here.  Probably not coverage across the USA on that freq.
 @TotalSonic [That's great to hear.  Amazing that the UT team is able to take care of that ami …], Yes the port is basically ready. We are just blocked for migration. Our problem: Older ports have a differnt file layout compared to Halium ports. So, when you switch channels for some time you would also need to switch between those file lay
[07:55] <ubptgbot> outs. I hope I can unblock this soon
 BTW go to bed its late :P
 I work at night :)
 @Flohack [BTW go to bed its late :P], heehee - I am a night owl sometimes by necessity - it's the one time these days when I am free from interruption by family - so working on a rush order currently.
 @mateosalta [so looks like no 2g for calls on that], oh well.  Guess I might end up selling the Volla after all.  It's all so close, of the dream of a UT device that has all the features I want - it's just that carriers here are not cooperating with that dream.  Will hold onto it for now while I suss things out further though.
 oh wow, looking up bands that work in usa on this one
 (Photo, 341x303) https://irc.ubports.com/Nk7SVbTj.png
 very luck to have the one in your area :)
 that list doesn't look right on my research.  850mHz is used by AT&T a good bit, which the Volla also uses.
 My mistake was in thinking that T-mobile would work at 2100MHz with it - but seems that 1700MHz support needs to be enabled as well on the device in order for it to also operate at the freq
 ah, that is good
 I figured given how everyone was saying the TD-LTE version of the Meizu Pro 5 wouldn't work in the USA, and that I was able to daily drive it for over a year, that it was equally worth actually testing this in the real world.  But seems the changing policies of the carriers, and how few actual choices there are for these now, means wha
[08:07] <ubptgbot> t was a gamble has been made into a not likely to win situation here.
 yeah the 3g drop is hurting
 as soon as tmobile drops calls, i have to move the sim, and just use att on my sony for daily
 Guess my safest bet is switching my Xiaomi over to some AOSP variant, and sticking with T-mobile for now, so that I also have the option of using my OnePlus One running UT as well, and selling the Volla off. Or maybe I can keep the Volla as a travel phone that will push the incentive for a trip to the EU after all this covid crap is ov
[08:11] <ubptgbot> er.
 Or I could stick with the Volla using Volla OS, and take a gamble that AT&T will work on it.  But that seems riskier.
 @TotalSonic [Connect your phone, start the "Minimal ADB and Fastboot" and then enter adb devi …], Device is being detected as GS290. So, that should be oke. Now just a matter of setting somewhere I guess?
[08:19] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @TotalSonic [Guess my safest bet is switching my Xiaomi over to some AOSP variant, and sticki …], Whats wrong with your xaiomi redmi
 @ChoraiiTammas [Device is being detected as GS290. So, that should be oke. Now just a matter of …], ok, that is good - it means that your computer is seeing the phone.  But why it is not letting you see it as external storage I do not know.
 @TotalSonic [ok, that is good - it means that your computer is seeing the phone.  But why it …], I can try one last thing. I do have a laptop with Ubuntu stored somewhere. Hook that one up and see if I have the same issue there. Will let you know
 @By brian All rights reserved [Whats wrong with your xaiomi redmi], Phone calls echo badly on the receiver's end using UT.  Otherwise, the only other issues is video recording not working, and it being buggy when trying to quit running apps in the "card stack" multi-task viewing mode.  But the phone call echoing problem  is a deal brea
[08:22] <ubptgbot> ker for me - I need clear calls to make it a daily driver.
 @TotalSonic [Not an ideal situation at all.], Possible solutions for you. Sip clients work in libertine on the nexus 6P. Anbox also now works.
 @rocket2nfinity [Possible solutions for you. Sip clients work in libertine on the nexus 6P. Anbox …], which SIP client in Libertine works??  And what are the SIP clients for Android working in Anbox?
 The issue with the existing UT LinPhone app is one that I am having a problem with for my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - echoing calls on the receiver's end.
 Desktop linphone for one, but it's certainly not optimized for the phone. Trying android version in anbox now
[08:38] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> So if someone is interested a quick way to transfert URL in discord in anbox is to copy it in a.txt inside anbox ( I used the apps marker) and read the .txt file from UT (I use seabass2) and open the URL in your browser
[08:38] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> It takes 1min but it works
 @TotalSonic [which SIP client in Libertine works??  And what are the SIP clients for Android …], So, an interesting experiment. Several sip clients work, including Linphone,  in android anbox but no audio because of UTs security paradigm. On my x86 tablet that does not have those restrictions, they work including audio.
 @TotalSonic [ok, that is good - it means that your computer is seeing the phone.  But why it …], Just hooked up the Ubuntu laptop and connected the Volla Phone UT. Works a treat, file transfer with no problems. So, it starts to look like a Windhoos issue😉 … Both laptops are HP Zbooks, which I think cancels out any hardware configs
 hm
 What happened to the partnership between Pine64 and UBports?
 nothing happened with the partnership they are still working together 👀
[12:15] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @rocket2nfinity [Desktop linphone for one, but it's certainly not optimized for the phone. Trying …], How do I install anbox
 @Sam [What happened to the partnership between Pine64 and UBports?], things just go slightly slower because of the qa process, release cycle, and permission structure
 the latest qa was talking about the same thing
 @By brian All rights reserved [How do I install anbox], update to rc and run `anbox-tool install`
[13:03] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Cheers
[13:07] <ubptgbot> ebrahim siam was added by: ebrahim siam
 ooo, i think the fingerprint is triggering while screen is off
[13:08] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Command not found can you … Be more specific cheers
 this happened when i woke up the device last, then it showed many attempts after holding the power
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/nQT52ouO.png
 @By brian All rights reserved [Command not found can you … Be more specific cheers], there's nothing to be more specific about; if it doesn't work on rc, try devel. it may not work on the gsi as that image is old
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], watchado?
 ohw fingerprint 🤔
 i think the finger print was spamming the login attempts, keyboard disapeared :0
 oh my :O
 i can't even see the input field
 woah major crashes, i have a way to produce
 putting a certain material over the reader just kills stuff
 cool reproducible crashes are the best :3
 oh wow so it sees those materials as a finger?
 the easy way to put the included case on upsidedown, it really doesnt like the material that is made of
 @Fuseteam [oh wow so it sees those materials as a finger?], fingerprint readers are usually 'hackable' with a fake finger, they don't know if they're reading a real human finger or not 😆
 @PiecerEdd [fingerprint readers are usually 'hackable' with a fake finger, they don't know i …], i mean it has no way of knowing :p
 suppose you could make them detect the static like touchscreens do (still fakeable though!)
 hm, maybe not the fingerprint? seems to be crashing after lock/unlock cycles
 @PiecerEdd [suppose you could make them detect the static like touchscreens do (still fakeab …], pretty sure they do that already, i no reason why they wouldn't
 well i am on dev, not the worst that can happen
 true, but it does needs to be fixed before it reaches rc xD
 @Fuseteam [pretty sure they do that already, i no reason why they wouldn't], mmmm yep true, no idea
 *** Feedback *** … Volla Phone (https://t.me/hello_volla) Running Ubuntu Touch (https://t.me/ubports) - 100% satisfaction! … This is the only Linux mobile phone that is stable daily driver device.  … What I like the most is this duet is the high quality device with fully compatible with linux operating system. Amazig battery life fr
[14:39] <ubptgbot> om 80% to 20% last well for over 30 hours with above average usage, streaming video on YouTube, emailing and browsing. … There is only one thing that I miss and it is fully supported Signal Messenger. @nanu_c from https://t.me/axolotl_dev community needs help from Go / Golang developers. Please give him a hand. … I have used Nexus 5 with UT … PineP
[14:39] <ubptgbot> hone with Mobian, UT, Postmarket OS. … You guys are ahead of the game. Keep it going! … @UniversalSuperBox @Flohack @flaburgan @dohbee @Schmuel @Danfro
 Well, you've put a smile on my face :)
 @arthurabdulin [*** Feedback *** … Volla Phone (https://t.me/hello_volla) Running Ubuntu Touch (h …], 🥳
 @arthurabdulin [*** Feedback *** … Volla Phone (https://t.me/hello_volla) Running Ubuntu Touch (h …], I'm not sure how I got on this list, but I haven't really contributed to UbuntuTouch (yet). Still, I'm glad to hear you're having as much of a positive experience on the VollaPhone as I am! 👍🏻
 @Schmuel [I'm not sure how I got on this list, but I haven't really contributed to UbuntuT …], We talked in the past :)
 @Schmuel [I'm not sure how I got on this list, but I haven't really contributed to UbuntuT …], [Edit] We talked in the past :) on Volla User Community channel.
 Ah I remember :)
 30 hours of above average use on one charge? thats crazy talk! UT has always been very kind to my battery though so I can believe it given a modern device 😁
 I'm loving it, just tested car contacts import and calling with the car dash worked great
 @mateosalta [I'm loving it, just tested car contacts import and calling with the car dash wor …], you also have the Volla phone???
 Yep
 I hate you
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/FW3HqV9W.webp
 I have many of the phones
 But comes at a cost - was working 70hr work weeks most last year
 woah
 did you also backed Astro Slide? … it's not a sure thing but there's a big chance it'll get UT 😄
 Looks cool
 I did back the fxtek one
 1-x?
 the xda phone ;)
 yeah. you mentioned that already … that's why I hate you LOL
 @Javacookies [did you also backed Astro Slide? … it's not a sure thing but there's a big chance …], Might if I see people showing off work on it 😃
 Also been collecting all the pinephones 😎
 Astro looks real nice
 yeah looks interesting … it's really big though so not for me
 yepp
 I've got the previous version the Cosmo and it is gigantic
 @PiecerEdd [30 hours of above average use on one charge? thats crazy talk! UT has always bee …], I was surprised with the battery life!
[15:17] <ubptgbot> Jrue was added by: Jrue
 i would take a photo compared to my other phones but I can't find my camera's battery charger (and I can't use my phone's camera for obvious reasons)
[15:24] <ubptgbot> <Vivek Pritmani> Pixel xl
 (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/oCQao5bT.png
 (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/gZ8uOLmC.png
 😆 absolute tank
 What a unit
 are you in awe at the size of that lad?
 it's a brick
 aww, apparently the 'absolute unit' kangaroo died a bit ago, im sure he went down with a fight
 the question is.. can it be used as a weapon?
 probably not, its quite fragile
 yep
 probably the librem5 could :P
 hence why i at least have it vinyl wrapped (it's not naturally rainbow coloured)
 oh yeah that librem looks at least as thick as this
 beasty
 but y'know mine does have two halves so its excusable
 btw, what is the gnome unit?
 oh thats a GPD win
 I took it to GUADEC when they came to my city and they had free stickers and that one was just too perfectly sized to pass up
 @RealDanct12 [the question is.. can it be used as a weapon?], maybe Titan would be better for this, but Unihertz did not even react to Marius Twitter post
 yeah, they never released a single source code for the unihertz titan
 😆 those Titans are ridiculous too, whacky screen ratio
 didn't unihertz make another 'rugged' phone that's more... phone shaped and built even tankier?
 they have rugged 4 inch
 @PiecerEdd [<reply to media>], its shiny 😮
 its vinyl wrapped 😆 its a pretty dull, boring grey otherwise
 @PiecerEdd [<reply to media>], is that a x performance
 nahhh just a normal xperia X
 its a good one, very nice port
 mine's running Sailfish, admittedly haven't tried UT on it hehe
 the nexus 4 on the end however has been running UT since Canonical first released the port 😍 been there from the start!
 yep, i have my nexus 4 around still, really like the curved edges on it
 @PiecerEdd [mine's running Sailfish, admittedly haven't tried UT on it hehe], no shame on that … if there's no UT, I probably would have used Sailfish instead
 yeah, I like them both for different reasons
 sailfish used to be MUCH better when the messages app actually worked with all of the 3rd party services, but the support for that has fallen as time's gone on (not really sailfish's fault but it was such a nice feature)
 you mean other messaging services like telegram?
 @arthurabdulin [*** Feedback *** … Volla Phone (https://t.me/hello_volla) Running Ubuntu Touch (h …], It is indeed truly an excellent combination.
 @Javacookies [you mean other messaging services like telegram?], well, Telegram didn't really exist back then, but yeah thats the general idea, the messaging app is built on the telepathy framework so inherits all of its messaging service integrations
 so like... FB messenger, GTalk (pre-hangouts), any XMPP server, MSN, all that sorta thing
 but the plugins have stopped being updated so they've all slowly stopped working
 maemo (which sailfish is sort of vaguely descended from) had a similar setup, and they even had an agreement with MS to have Skype baked directly in the messages app complete with voice call support... no need for a 'skype app' it was all there, SOO slick
 I see, I never tried that feature but for a time I use Sailfish as my secondary phone … one of my nexus 5 multiboots Sailfish UT and android
 @PiecerEdd [maemo (which sailfish is sort of vaguely descended from) had a similar setup, an …], would be great services are standard right and you can have a single app for everything but obviously it's not good for business
 imagine having one app for all your messaging … one app for all your streaming
 I think Kodi can be that for streaming but of course no one will support it
 i know right... sounds terrible... 😭
 right now I use either Pidgin, or Bitlbee/IRC for all my messaging
 anyway, this is OT 😅
 its about the best I can do
 @Javacookies [imagine having one app for all your messaging … one app for all your streaming], no thanks
 thankfully basically every OS (including UT... WOO, back on topic) has a good IRC client available, so my IRC/Bitlbee setup works great
 i like the 'one app for all messaging' paradigm... I know its not for everyone but I much prefer it, maybe just because I'm used to it from my pre-mobile days of using Pidgin for everything 😆
 but one of my biggest *rage* moments when using Android for the first time was noticing I have like 90000 messaging apps installed and subsequently scrapping the lot and (again) setting up an IRC client to hook up to my bouncer
 @Javacookies I like the larger tab size feels good :)
 they were too short especially in wide layout
 i need to put on my list to make the wide layout tabs not use a image for shadow/corners
 yeah, I don't like the look of it … they actually look better on the desktop, I don't know why they're different there
 i did some work on the narrow tabs i put in for review
 ah yes, I think I've seen that … I'm talking more on the wide layout tabs though
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Mb4hIW81.png
 on actual device, it's more curvy and kind of messed up shadows 😅
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/AdEQ232Z.png
 @Javacookies [<reply to media>], yeah, i think is a png?
 not sure
 the tabs in wide layout is in the toolkit so I haven't really experimented on it
 border image maybe
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/KHUORZil.png
 going to try and bump the shadow just a tiny bit more maybe, and see if i can get a side shadow when you swipe the tabs
 @Javacookies [imagine having one app for all your messaging … one app for all your streaming], I am testing it right now. Matrix client+server then whatsapp/telegram/SMS bridge. I really like it :)
 With Whatapps running inside an emulater on a server, I can switch to UT without loosing my remaining contacts using it :)
 @Oliv4945 [I am testing it right now. Matrix client+server then whatsapp/telegram/SMS bridg …], i fear no bridge … but a whatsapp brigde? … shudders makes me anxious
 @Fuseteam [i fear no bridge … but a whatsapp brigde? … shudders makes me anxious], 😂It's not that bad. The bridge is seen as a the web version, it will (hopefully) help to a transition without
 i mean whatsapp is notoriously strict with how their application can be accessed
 it is only now that they are planning to allow up to 4 web sessions active regardless of the phone
[18:41] <ubptgbot> Ahmed A. El-Rish was added by: Ahmed A. El-Rish
[18:55] <ubptgbot> Redueku was added by: Redueku
[18:59] <ubptgbot> Julio Martínez was added by: Julio Martínez
[18:59] <ubptgbot> <Julio Martínez> Good day... I want Ubuntu Touch on my Xiaomi MI A1
[19:04] <ubptgbot> mitch parker was added by: mitch parker
 @Julio Martínez [Good day... I want Ubuntu Touch on my Xiaomi MI A1], you would need to port that one - info on how to do this is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 @arthurabdulin [*** Feedback *** … Volla Phone (https://t.me/hello_volla) Running Ubuntu Touch (h …], I'm hyped to receive my handset based on that outstanding feedback!
 @Oliv4945 [With Whatapps running inside an emulater on a server, I can switch to UT without …], i know a guy who's been trying to get that to work... he's been struggling!
 but yeah, i wanna try it with matrix instead of znc/irc at some poijnt
 just not sure i wanna self host a matrix server on my crusty old pi3 😆
 @mateosalta [this happened when i woke up the device last, then it showed many attempts after …], Sorry, which device is this? And what material is the case made out of?
 @TartanSpartan [Sorry, which device is this? And what material is the case made out of?], false alarm, it was just dev crashing
 just happened to put the case back on wrong the same time it happened ;)
 Is it the Volla?
 Woooow! ЕloN-Мusк рumр сrурtосurrеncіes!!! - https://bit.ly/2YOEHq2  🚀🚀🚀
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 yeah, dev is moving to new qt stuff, so it needs testing, but rc is really good
 OIC
 wish i could go back about 10 builds in dev, the car kit usage had great improvements in dev
 @Julio Martínez [Good day... I want Ubuntu Touch on my Xiaomi MI A1], we have a search feature now on devices.ubuntu-touch.io xD
[20:39] <ubptgbot> <Julio Martínez> @Fuseteam [we have a search feature now on devices.ubuntu-touch.io xD], It dont apply.. but i want touch on my phone
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Julio Martínez> Only Mi A2 and A3 ...
 @Julio Martínez [It dont apply.. but i want touch on my phone], check out the devices pages it has all the info you need
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Julio Martínez> Sure 😔
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Julio Martínez> Thanks you
 particulary the "Can’t find the device you were looking for?" section
 [Edit] particularly the "Can’t find the device you were looking for?" section
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/1sjUM8uM.png 90% darkmode hehehehehehe
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/Lg0MZWsy.png 90% darkmode hehehehe
 @mateosalta [false alarm, it was just dev crashing], is there an open issue for it? does flashing back to dev now work again?
 @dohbee [is there an open issue for it? does flashing back to dev now work again?], seems related to fingerprint, he mentioned some missing binaries in the qa group
 @mateosalta [i need to put on my list to make the wide layout tabs not use a image for shadow …], I was looking into it a bit, it is using uuitk-extras components. They are using some shaders for that, look into https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-ui-extras/tree/xenial/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Extras/TabsBar
 @arthurabdulin [*** Feedback *** … Volla Phone (https://t.me/hello_volla) Running Ubuntu Touch (h …], hm, you make me think about dropping my Fairphone 2 and buying a Volla. As it looks like the FP2 will never see its halium 7 port finished, there isn't focus on it anymore.
 On that topic, https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/fp2/ is giving false information, torchlight and flashlight doesn't work on FP2
 where can I submit a PR to fix this?
 Oh right, they don't work on the new camera module
 They work on the old camera module, but those melt.
 @Danqok [I was looking into it a bit, it is using uuitk-extras components. They are using …], nice, oh so is built into the toolkit
 @UniversalSuperBox [They work on the old camera module, but those melt.], it's just a built-in light diffuser :P
 With 100% coverage, yes
 hi. (noob question) i was just trying to install UT from UBports on my Redmi Note 7. i followed all the steps. but an error popped up saying something like "cannot flas in locked state". Now as far as i know, its because i jave to unlock the bootloader. But should OSM unlocking take care of this? … Also, unlocking MI bootloader is such
[21:59] <ubptgbot> a pain. with errors signing in and waiting period. Can someone help me with this?
[22:14] <ubptgbot> Tim F was added by: Tim F
 Gmail
 @Danfro [Not using Google would solve this too. 😉], Hello. Since Google is blocking the use of its services, if i want to switch from google gmail / google drive / google keep to an open source alternative, which alternative do you advise?
 Hey. The new devices website is not showing any information for the device I'm mantaining (laurel_sprout). Is there a fix for this?
 it doesnt have sync, but this is similar to keep in the way you make notes
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/ntF8N308.png
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], I need sync 😊
 @humbl3one [hi. (noob question) i was just trying to install UT from UBports on my Redmi Not …], There is no waiting period anymore when unlocking a xiaomi phone. They changed that policy a while ago
 @humbl3one [hi. (noob question) i was just trying to install UT from UBports on my Redmi Not …], You need to use Xiaomi's Mi unlocker on a Windows PC in order to unlock your bootloader - and install of UT will fail unless you do that first.
 @JyotiGomes [Hello. Since Google is blocking the use of its services, if i want to switch fro …], NextCloud instead of GoogleDrive works best with UT devices.  If you are on an armhf device (like OnePlus One or Nexus 5) then you can use the UBsync app in the Open Store to allow for automatic backups and syncing of folders you choose.
[22:58] <ubptgbot> Dolinta Cristian was added by: Dolinta Cristian
 @JyotiGomes [Hello. Since Google is blocking the use of its services, if i want to switch fro …], As for email - lots of options for this.  I have my own domain's email hosted by bluehost.com - but if you are looking for a free service Tutanota and Proton Mail are both very good options
[22:59] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Hi all, someone install UT at Redmi Note 7? I got some problems with system, may be i am not only the one who have problems on this phone.
 @JyotiGomes [Hello. Since Google is blocking the use of its services, if i want to switch fro …], If you don't want to setup your own NextCloud server you can use a third party that does remote hosting - I use OwnCube.com for this
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi all, someone install UT at Redmi Note 7? I got some problems with system, may …], Is it unlocked?
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi all, someone install UT at Redmi Note 7? I got some problems with system, may …], Yes, there are issues with the port - for me phone calls echo on the receiver's end, video recording freezes on the first frame, and sometimes it is hard to quit open apps (takes a few tries).  But otherwise things are working on it.
[23:02] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> yes, i got problems like system press enter all the time, i cant use keyboard, or call
[23:03] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> because when i press something its seems like enter button is pressed and keyboard dissapeared
[23:03] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> also the gestures dont work when issue is reproducing
 @JyotiGomes [Hello. Since Google is blocking the use of its services, if i want to switch fro …], On UT the core "Notes" app can sync with an Evernote account - and there are cross platform apps to access this (Evernote, Tusk on Linux).  Otherwise - I use Standard Notes as it allows for syncing end to end encrypted and password protect
[23:05] <ubptgbot> ed notes - there is a webapp to access these in UT in the Open Store https://open-store.io/app/standardnoteswebapp.totalsonic
 @Dolinta Cristian [yes, i got problems like system press enter all the time, i cant use keyboard, o …], Are you using the GSI version or the installer based OTA-15 version??
 @Dolinta Cristian [yes, i got problems like system press enter all the time, i cant use keyboard, o …], I found that the GSI version was buggier for me.
[23:06] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> installer based on OTA-15, stable branch
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> also try the rc branch, but issue is persisting there
 @Dolinta Cristian [installer based on OTA-15, stable branch], yeah, the port could use some love - you can give the porter some incentive to try and make some fixes by contacting them at their Discord here - https://discord.com/channels/370595587097362454/781232968856502272
[23:08] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> ok thanks
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 @Dolinta Cristian [ok thanks], I just flashed Lineage 17.1 on mine because the echoing phone calls bug was a deal killer.  But hoping that there can be some fixes, as otherwise this would be an amazing device to use with UT.
 @Dolinta Cristian [ok thanks], [Edit] I just flashed Lineage 17.1 on mine because the echoing phone calls bug was a deal killer to me.  But hoping that there can be some fixes, as otherwise this would be an amazing device to use with UT.
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @TotalSonic [I just flashed Lineage 17.1 on mine because the echoing phone calls bug was a de …], yes it would be an amazing device 👍
 Btw someone did a really great job on the new devices page
 I really like it
 Yeah - really excellent web design on that for sure
[23:15] <ubptgbot> alexander_schoch was added by: alexander_schoch
[23:16] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @TotalSonic [yeah, the port could use some love - you can give the porter some incentive to t …], i dont have acces to this link
[23:17] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> may be i would report this issue on github
 @Dolinta Cristian [i dont have acces to this link], Try https://discord.gg/AvtdRJ3
 @Dolinta Cristian [may be i would report this issue on github], That would be good too
[23:20] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> link worked thanks !
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/QpHbW68m.webp
[23:45] <ubptgbot> Uch_19 was added by: Uch_19
 So manually flashing UT on the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 results in no mobile data, thats been established. I can not longer get the UBports installer to work so I can't even install the UBports installer version. My question is can I download it somewhere and manually install that version? I did search this issue but couldn't find what I wa
[23:50] <ubptgbot> s looking for.
 @mintphin [Hey. The new devices website is not showing any information for the device I'm m …], Yes! https://gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io#where-did-my-markdown-content-go-its-not-displaying-on-the-live-webpage
 @TotalSonic [NextCloud instead of GoogleDrive works best with UT devices.  If you are on an a …], I have a bq e5