[00:03] <Peppi> oerheks,  I'm getting errors when I run sudo ./autorun.sh
[00:03] <Peppi> when I lsmod | grep r8101 I do not see the driver installed :/
[00:09] <Peppi> oerheks, the guy said: Recommend uninstalling the r8101 github driver, and the r8168-dkms driver, and letting the standard r8169 driver find both cards.
[00:09] <Peppi> how do I do that?
[00:48] <Peppi> is there a place recomended for no paste for logs here?
[00:49] <Peppi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DYm2NsV6hR/
[00:49] <Peppi> so I was doing this: https://github.com/ghostrider-reborn/realtek-r8101-linux-driver , and it worked in December as the logs show. But for some reason now it fails:
[00:50] <Peppi> anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong?
[01:47] <Peppi> I'm having this same issue: https://github.com/ghostrider-reborn/realtek-r8101-linux-driver/issues/4
[01:48] <Peppi> once I install the driver, whenever the computer reboots I "lose" the driver and have to reinstall it
[01:48] <Peppi> any ideas what is going on?
[01:54] <yates> i am trying to install solaar.
[01:54] <yates> so i did this: https://paste.centos.org/view/1ead5df2
[01:55] <yates> then when i try to run solaar i get this: https://paste.centos.org/view/1f73599d
[01:57] <cyphase> yates, run ` python3` and try importing pyudev
[01:58] <oerheks> oh, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/python3-pyudev as python 2.7 is ending
[01:58] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~solaar-unifying/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[02:00] <yates> cyphase: python3 cannot import pyudev: ModuleNotFoundError: NO module named 'pyudev'
[02:00] <oerheks> you are building 0.9, ppa gives 1.0.4
[02:00] <yates> cyphase: aha. but i CAN import puudev into python2
[02:01] <yates> pyudev
[02:01] <cyphase> yates, have you tried install.. right. install python3-pyudev
[02:01] <yates> cyphase: yes, it is installed
[02:01] <yates> oh wait.
[02:01] <oerheks> if that does not help, python-is-python3
[02:02] <yates> thats it
[02:02] <cyphase> yates, which version of ubuntu?
[02:02] <yates> i guess i had run "apt install python-pyudev". forgot the 3
[02:03] <cyphase> solaar should pull in the correct dependency..
[02:03] <yates> what's that command to show ubuntu version? i keep forgetting
[02:03] <cyphase> lsb_release -d
[02:03] <yates> Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
[02:04] <cyphase> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/solaar says python 2
[02:05] <cyphase> can you chek the solaar version?
[02:05] <cyphase> check*
[02:05] <cyphase> apt show solaar
[02:06] <yates> solaar 0.9.2
[02:06] <cyphase> [aste that whole thing in fact
[02:06] <cyphase> paste* https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[02:06] <yates> https://paste.centos.org/view/58d65310
[02:07] <cyphase> yates, did you say it's working after installing python3-pyudev?
[02:07] <yates> could it have something to do with my python symlink?
[02:07] <yates> yes
[02:07] <yates> yes i did
[02:07] <yates> at least i'm not getting that error any longer
[02:08] <cyphase> are you getting some other error?
[02:08] <yates> i have "python ==> python3"
[02:08] <oerheks> i would check out their official ppa
[02:08] <cyphase> in /usr/bin? that would do it
[02:08] <cyphase> yates, you shouldn't mess with system python like that
[02:09] <cyphase> or did you just alias it for yourself in bash?
[02:09] <cyphase> the symptoms fit with symlinking it for the system
[02:09] <cyphase> and, is solaar running correctly, or is there some other error now?
[02:10] <yates> hang on, checking
[02:11] <yates> two symlinks: which python => /usr/bin/python; ls -al /usr/bin/python => /etc/alternatives/python; ls -al /etc/alternatives/python => /usr/bin/python3
[02:12] <yates> it seems i made that change when running some robotframework tests. i think robotframework expected python to be python3. not sure of that, though.
[02:12] <cyphase> do you remember doing that?
[02:12] <yates> yes
[02:12] <cyphase> problem solved :)
[02:12] <yates> this was a few weeks back
[02:13] <yates> well what about robotffamework and / or my unit tests? changing it back would break them
[02:14] <phantom> greetings
[02:15] <cyphase> yates, i find it highly unlikely that robotframework requires that `python` be python 3
[02:15] <rifle> Hi!  Where have I gone wrong with this `gsettings set` command (https://pastebin.com/thjzQYuN)?
[02:16] <oerheks> maybe that was required for that 0.9 sloaar build
[02:16] <yates> cyphase: ok, well thanks much for helping me fix this.
[02:17] <yates> very much
[02:17] <yates> PITA this was.
[02:17] <cyphase> new commandment: Thou Shalt Not Touch System Python
[02:18]  * Lutin waves @ sauvin :D
[02:18] <yates> commandment shammandment..
[02:18] <cyphase> it's a joking way to say it's a bad idea to do it, as you've just learned
[02:18] <Bashing-om> yates: See: ' apt show solaar '. in focal the app has a depends on python3:any .
[02:18] <sauvin> Fortunately, my participation in this channel is not required.
[02:19] <yates> really? i thought you were serious. isn't your nick name "I Am"? :)
[02:19] <Lutin> sauvin required ? You think no-one can miss you ? You have isses
[02:19] <Lutin> *issues
[02:20] <yates> Bashing-om: i'm on 18.04.5 LTS
[02:20] <yates> (bionic?)
[02:20] <Peppi> can anyone tell me here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/299676/how-to-install-3rd-party-module-so-that-it-is-loaded-on-boot what is meant by: Copy the module to a suitable folder in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers.  ?
[02:20] <sauvin> Lutin, I'm not an op here. It's pointless to harangue me in this channel, and I think you'll find the folks who _are_ ops here can be equally humourless.
[02:20] <oerheks> rifle,  in ubuntu 20.04/gnome super l is already standard for screensaver
[02:20] <Lutin> yates time to upgrade... there is always at some point that gap between the two LTS versions
[02:21] <Lutin> sauvin so, you are your of your power ? that is good Ubuntu is a friendly channel with smart people and knowledge ;)
[02:21] <yates> Lutin: we have specific, serious direction from our managers to stay on this version
[02:22] <Lutin> yates yeah I see that a lot as well, I understand but what are theirs if I may ask ?
[02:22] <Lutin> sauvin you say it again, you don't have humor as well, let's ingnore you because of it ;)
[02:22] <yates> something about the new ACLs breaking a lot of the stuff we use
[02:22] <yates> i'm not sure myself all the justifications.
[02:22] <Lutin> yates yeah I get it
[02:23] <yates> we use some expensive, license-required stuff, so...
[02:24] <yates> i use fedora 32 at home. so i'm not averse to the new stuff
[02:24] <yates> and it works BEAUTIFULLY!
[02:24] <Lutin> yeah but 18.04 is fine, it get's odd when they don't want to make it suppord that well with 20.04 and dependencies rely on it
[02:25] <Lutin> Fedora is really great! Why ? RH devs work on it ;)
[02:25] <yates> is that a joke?
[02:26] <Peppi> can anyone tell me what: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers   <`uname -r`> means?
[02:26] <oerheks> that is a system variable for the kernel version
[02:26] <coffeeroaster> Peppi: output of typing "uname -r"
[02:27] <oerheks> currently 5.4.x or 5.8.x ?
[02:30] <Peppi> coffeeroaster, thanks so much
[02:37] <Lutin> yates what is ?
[02:41] <Drecondius> Is there a channel dedicated to the server setup?
[02:41] <raccoon_dog> Drecondius: Try #ubuntu-server
[02:42] <Drecondius> raccoon_dog Thank you.
[02:42] <raccoon_dog> You're welcome.
[02:42] <yates> Lutin: your last statement to me
[02:42] <yates> re: RH devs
[02:43] <Lutin> yates which part is a joke as none is actually
[02:43] <yates> ok, fair enough.
[02:44] <yates> folks minds work so darkly these days, you never know what is meant.
[02:45] <yates> so solaar is now working on 18.04.5 LTS. i have my mouse/keyboard working on two different systems, fedora and ubuntu. that is nice!
[02:45] <pi0> anyone recommmend a simple backup util for ubuntu
[02:45] <pi0> i read about timeshift
[02:45] <pi0> https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift
[02:46] <Lutin> yates fedroa is really good, as RH devs works on a daily base on it... bugs are fixed in no-time
[02:46] <yates> pi0: https://linuxhint.com/11_best_backup_tools_linux/
[02:47] <yates> Lutin: i can attest to that. recently i requested and got a kernel module (nandsim) pushed out to mainline in about a week.
[02:47] <yates> good folks
[02:47] <Lutin> yap really!
[02:47] <Lutin> good alternative to CentOS ;)
[02:47] <yates> pi0: i am curious what you find as i am looking as well
[02:48] <Lutin> I already used it in some sitations as alternative to CentOS
[02:48] <yates> i've been with them since fc3 - about 2006
[02:48] <yates> it wasn't always this smooth... :)
[02:50] <yates> pi0: i like fwbackups, but it looks like the developer stopped working on it in 2017. fedora doesn't have it in their repos (anymore?)
[02:54] <pi0> i think i might stick with timeshift
[02:54] <pi0> looks decent
[03:05] <BluPhenix316> anyone have issues with a Radeon 5700 XT and multiple monitors? I have a Left Monitor(i set as Primary), and a Right Monitor, however, sometimes games/apps when they go fullscreen will display on my right Monitor(secondary)
[03:37] <BluPhenix316> a change to ~/.config/monitors.xml didn't fix it
[04:00] <InZaneGamer84> So I moved my installation to a new, larger SSD disk using CloneZIlla. Everything went well according to CloneZIlla but of course it won't boot. CloneZilla reported that it updated grub but alas it didn't do that step correctly as I assumed it wouldn't!
[04:01] <InZaneGamer84> I can boot from the SSD drive but it boots the OLD installation from the old disk. I need to CHROOT into the SSD installation and run update grub. How do I do this?
[04:03] <sauvin> InZaneGamer84, one of the most knowledgeable people I know is active right now in ##linux.
[04:03] <InZaneGamer84> sauvin who?
[04:03] <sauvin> Dagmar.
[06:18] <davros> are there any linux filebrowsers which display thumbnails of random contained images (perhaps the most recently accessed) on the folder icon
[06:20] <mozzarella> davros: by random you mean they  change every time or they are picked at random but only once?
[06:55] <Hamidreza> Hi guys, I was using ubuntu 16 and now I'm using ubuntu 20 , on ubuntu 16 I have some kernel tuning parameters in sysctl.conf, How can I check them and correct them for ubuntu20 and new kernel version?
[07:33] <bibble> Ubuntu 21.04 Kernel 5.10 Wayland, PC randomly restarts at least once daily, but seems completely stable on Windows 10.
[07:33] <bibble> Memtest passes and second new PSU tested.
[07:33] <bibble> MSI B550M Mortar WiFi, Ryzen 3900X, RX 5700XT, Corsair Vengeance RAM, Seasonic Focus GX PSU.
[07:34] <bibble> Can never find logs for cause of restart.
[07:36] <bibble> Top 5 distros on distrowatch all tried. Same random restarts.
[07:37] <ThinkT510> bibble: any reason you are using 5.10 and not 5.4 or 5.8 that are in the 20.04 repos?
[07:38] <bibble> Used 5.4 and 5.8, but still random restarts. 5.10 actually needed though for WiFi to work.
[07:39] <ThinkT510> bibble: sorry, I just noticed you said 21.04, that isn't released yet
[07:40] <ThinkT510> !ubuntu+1 | bibble
[07:40] <bibble> Tested 21.04 and 20.04.
[07:41] <bibble> Both also apparently have the latest stable AMD GPU drivers for the 5700XT.
[07:41] <bibble> Can't figure out what Linux doesn't like about this machine.
[07:42] <bibble> Especially as there's benchmarks on YouTube of Linux using the same GPU.
[07:42] <bibble> RAM and PSU. No error logs.
[07:44] <bibble> Windows 10 stable, but Motherboard and GPU have drivers and software available to download and install.
[07:44] <nvz> I got a rather simple but annoying problem. I ran an upgrade which is wanting to install a new kernel, but I'm out of space on /boot I can't remove any old kernels cause dpkg has locks, if I kill it, remove the locks, it tells me the last process wasn't completed..
[07:45] <nvz> I could of course /manually/ remove stuff from boot but I fear thats going to complicate clean removal of the packages later
[07:46] <ThinkT510> bibble: how random are we talking about? is it sometimes hours between and other times minutes or is it usually just within minutes of booting?
[07:46] <nvz> nm I seem to have slapped it around enough to allow me to clealy remove some images
[07:48] <bibble> ThinkT510: usually after an hour or multiple, then random restart, then seems to gradually happen quicker.
[07:48] <Hamidreza> is there anybody to help me?
[07:49] <bibble> nvz something "apt install -f" or "dpkg --configure -a" help.
[07:49] <ThinkT510> bibble: pure guess here: maybe an overheating issue?
[07:51] <bibble> ThinkT510: possibly. Though CPU & GPU generally seemed to be within limits on HardInfo reporting. Think read that the AMD GPU on Linux could have emergency limit set earlier.
[07:52] <bibble> Been playing Horizon Zero Dawn and Cyberpunk fine on Windows 10 though. Uptime in the days.
[07:53] <bibble> Perhaps the motherboard is too new for Linux really.
[07:54] <bibble> Ubuntu OK with NVMe Gen4 etc ?
[07:57] <cbreak> I have a 20.10 on a Taichi X570 with a Ryzen 5800 X, and a Samsung 980 Pro, which is PCIe 4.0
[07:57] <cbreak> it works, kind of, but I never tried to run it for more than a few hours
[08:01] <bibble> Interesting. Guess NVMe 4.0 should be fine then. Suspicion is the GPU because the PC has restarted before when installing drivers. Even when installing any distro, except Debian network installer no gui and Ubuntu 21.04 safe mode.
[08:03] <cbreak> my thing runs an NVidia GT 1030 somethingsomething
[08:03] <cbreak> this thing here: https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/msi-geforce-gt1030-2gh-lp-oc-2gb-grafikkarte-6497802
[08:04] <bibble> ThinkT510 could be right about the overheating because the Unigine Heaven graphics test runs continuously when fixed to 60fps, but PC restarts quickly if fps unlimited. But doesn't explain why just randomly restarts after watching 90 minutes of YouTube etc.
[08:06] <bibble> cbreak: good it works, though Linus says NVidia is naughty and this AMD card should be better/easier supported.
[08:09] <bibble> Nvidia probably best really though. Apparently their DLSS particularly. Very efficient how it scales the render instead of render full resolution.
[08:12] <bibble> Wanted to avoid Windows so much, that bought a new PSU to test first instead of installing it first. Unfortunately on Windows 10 full time until can hopefully get Linux stable.
[08:12] <cbreak> NVidia's the only way to get CUDA, and Cuda's the best way to do machine learning
[08:13] <cbreak> PSUs are probably the most reliable component in a computer
[08:17] <bibble> Would be interesting to get involved with machine learning. Especially some Deepfake stuff. So impressive.
[08:26] <bibble> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUfJOQKdtAk
[08:26] <bibble> "Everybody can make Deepfakes now"
[08:27] <bibble> By Two Minute Papers. 06:55
[09:11] <cbreak> the deep fake stuff isn't that impressive. The really impressive networks are GPT-3 for example
[09:12] <cbreak> or Deep Mind's Alpha Zero / Mu Zero
[09:12] <cbreak> bibble: or this one: https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/
[09:23] <bibble> Ah, interesting.
[09:42] <Nei> hi, maybe someone here has an idea. I've an error report for my GNOME extension of a Ubuntu user. they say they're using Ubuntu 20.10. My extension ( https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/946/panel-world-clock-lite/ ) doesn't work for them. I just installed a fresh Ubuntu 20.10 in a VM and it works for me!
[09:42] <billybigrigger> hey chan, this might be a dumb question....is there anyway to know if a fiber channel hba, that looks functional in dmesg, will actually work if i spend money on a proper lc mm om3 cable? :P reason i ask is that i'm new to the headache that i've discovered called....fiber channel.....
[09:43] <Nei> It doesn't find a GSettings schema, so does anyone know how Ubuntu triggers GSchema compilation (that should automatically update /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled )?
[09:43] <billybigrigger> i have aquired 2x emulex fiber chanel hbas, with transceivers, and only need a cable....but i just want to possibly verify that it actually works?
[09:43] <billybigrigger> dmesg shows it recognized, but how do i know there's a driver attached to this pcie card and its working?
[09:45] <billybigrigger> [    1.274177] kernel: Emulex LightPulse Fibre Channel SCSI driver 12.6.0.4
[09:45] <billybigrigger> [    1.274182] kernel: Copyright (C) 2017-2019 Broadcom. All Rights Reserved. The term "Broadcom" refers to Broadcom Inc. and/or its subsidiaries.
[09:46] <billybigrigger> there's no lines above or below that reference an actual driver name which is throwing me off
[09:47] <billybigrigger> [    1.276410] kernel: scsi host6: Emulex LPe12000 PCIe Fibre Channel Adapter on PCI bus 01 device 00 irq 16
[09:51] <billybigrigger> lspci -v -s 01:00.0 says there is a kernel driver in use.....
[09:51] <billybigrigger> anyone with FC experience able to assist?
[09:51] <billybigrigger>         Kernel driver in use: lpfc
[09:51] <billybigrigger>         Kernel modules: lpfc
[10:18] <SteelRose> hello all! I have added a user to the sudoers file and also to /etc/sudoers.d/90-cloudimg-ubuntu with the NOPASSWD:ALL option, still sudo asks me for a password... am I overseeing something obvious? Thx!
[10:18] <EriC^^> SteelRose: what does 'sudo -l' show?
[10:19] <SteelRose> EriC^^: where can I paste the results to share it here?
[10:20] <Nei> try https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[10:21] <SteelRose> https://pastebin.com/TuZBbHid <-- I used this instead :-)
[10:23] <SteelRose> are /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d/90-cloudimg-ubuntu mutually exclusive?
[10:23] <SteelRose> EriC^^: do you see anything odd in my pastebin?
[10:42] <EriC^^> SteelRose: it looks right
[10:45] <SteelRose> EriC^^: hmm... sudo still asks for a password even when the user clearly has a NOPASSWD:ALL on both /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d/90-cloudimg-ubuntu ...
[10:45] <EriC^^> SteelRose: odd, maybe try a quick login "sudo login <user>"
[10:46] <SteelRose> oh great.. now I rebooted the VM and sudo -l only shows the entries for root ... :-/
[10:46] <SteelRose> EriC^^: it asks for a password as well
[10:47] <SteelRose> the idea is to have a user for Ansible playbooks that can become root via sudo so I don't have to parse any password...
[10:47] <SteelRose> as I mentioned, the very same approach works flawlessly under CentOS 8
[11:22] <faLUKE> hello. I have a quite old tv-monitor. When I set resolution to 1280x720, all the borders are quite good, but when I use 1920x1080 lines are bad to see. Is there a way to improve this?
[11:29] <cbreak> use the native resolution of that TV
[11:30] <faLUKE> cbreak: how can I know the native resolution?
[11:30] <faLUKE> in the tv menu?
[11:30] <cbreak> it's not in the manual?
[11:36] <rory> If it's an old TV it might be accepting a 1080p input but displaying it on a 720p panel. The only way to know for sure is to find out this info for the model of TV.
[11:38] <handlebar> There might still be information on that particular model and product still on the internet.
[12:52] <routebee> what is the package management gui called in ubuntu? i have to install it with apt
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> routebee: synaptic?
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> routebee: or snap-store?
[12:57] <routebee> is the software center thingy different from synaptic? Im on Gnome and i dont have the package gui
[12:58] <routebee> i want to $sudo atp-get install <name>
[12:58] <routebee> but i dont know what the software center is called
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> routebee: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[12:59] <routebee> just going from memory 20.04 LTS
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> routebee: 20.04 has now snap-store as default package manager aka (ubuntu software)
[13:00] <routebee> mmk so apt-get install snap-store?
[13:01] <routebee> i'll try
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> no, its a snap routebee
[13:01] <elektrinis> hi
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> routebee: sudo snap install snap-store
[13:02] <elektrinis> so I have internal sata HDD ext4 and USB-C external HDD NTFS.
[13:02] <elektrinis> copying files from internal to external, getting only 35MB/s
[13:02] <routebee> mmk
[13:02] <routebee> i thought snap was a sandbox
[13:02] <routebee> why put open sourse materials in snap
[13:02] <elektrinis> top says mount.ntfs is taking over 50% of CPU
[13:03] <elektrinis> however not sure why it's so slow
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> routebee: there is also gnome-software in the apt repos if you want
[13:03] <routebee> nah i dont really care
[13:04] <routebee> snaps it be
[13:07] <jim> what is the package name of the software center?
[13:07] <jim> or is it even packaged?
[13:08] <routebee> he just tole me it was a snap called snap-store and thet there was a deb package called gnome-software is i wasnt happy with that
[13:09] <routebee> what i was thinking of ws snap-store
[13:09] <jim> oh ok
[13:10] <jim> that's all I have, unfortunately, and you no doubt told the folks here the whole story
[13:10] <jim> do you run gnome?
[13:12] <jim> I don't pay for software that's made available for free, and I never, ever accept or agree to implied terms... such as the chanserv message here, and shrink wrap licenses, stuff like that
[13:14] <jim> I know you want the thing, and that's just fine... but know that software center was written by canonical to -sell- software
[13:14] <routebee> on other distros you can use snap to run proprietary software like discord of zoom or what now
[13:14] <jim> yeah, and I do use zoom and discord
[13:15] <routebee> i have never had to pay for anything but its a sandbox that catches and logs evil activity by proprietary bit and bobs
[13:16] <jim> oh ok... ever see interesting stuff in the logs?
[13:16] <routebee> but it is itself proprietary and when you install it it says that it may (or may not) have backdoors in it itself
[13:16] <routebee> no
[13:16] <routebee> i use firejail for stuff i think is malware
[13:16] <jim> you mean software center?
[13:17] <routebee> no snap
[13:17] <routebee> software center is the snap store
[13:18] <routebee> snap is something different
[13:18] <utman> The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/shutter/ppa/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[13:18] <utman> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[13:18] <utman> please help
[13:18] <utman> how toinstall tis
[13:18] <routebee> duno utman
[13:19] <routebee> hand around and someone will help im sure
[13:19] <routebee> s/hand/hang
[13:19] <ThinkT510> !info shutter
[13:21] <jim> first off, I read something a few mins ago, that says software center is GPL3 and LGPL3
[13:21] <jim> also
[13:21] <jim> it's been replaced... last release of it was 4 years ago
[13:22] <jim> what has it been replaced by? GNOME Software
[13:22] <jim> to install gnome software instead, first you need gnome-terminal
[13:23] <jim> last stable release was 10 days ago
[13:23] <utman> thanks ThinkT510  routebee
[13:23] <jim> gimme a sec
[13:27] <routebee> full on
[14:02] <mort> Uh, where did pygmentex go? The pygmentex program was apparently in texlive-science package in 18.04, but it's not there anymore?
[14:02] <ThinkT510> !find pygmentex
[14:02] <mort> well it found a lot of Ws
[14:03] <mort> the link says no results tho
[14:04] <ThinkT510> was it a python2 package?
[14:05] <mort> I don't know?
[14:05] <ThinkT510> if so then it would have been removed since python2 is EOL
[14:05] <mort> it's a fairly fundamental part of the latex ecosystem though
[14:06] <mort> honestly, fuck everything latex, every time I try to do anything with it I just encounter all kinds of issues and the entire ecosystem seems to be a garbage dump
[14:08] <BluesKaj> !labguage | mort
[14:09] <BluesKaj> err language :-)
[14:09] <ThinkT510> mort: texlive-science is in 20.04 but it is in universe
[14:09] <mort> pygmentex seems to have been updated to python 3, but fairly recently
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !language | mort
[14:09] <mort> is "fuck" offensive or is it being mean to the latex ecosystem which is offensive
[14:10] <BluesKaj> no F bombs please
[14:31] <utman> For this command, sudo npm install -g yarn
[14:31] <utman> i am getting this
[14:31] <utman> yarn@1.22.10 preinstall /usr/local/lib/node_modules/yarn
[14:31] <utman> > :; (node ./preinstall.js > /dev/null 2>&1 || true)
[14:31] <utman> Is this some error?
[14:31] <utman> or it states something else?
[14:32] <utman> My installation of something else is which depends on yarn is failing due to this error. So figuring that out
[14:32] <ThinkT510> utman: best ask npm help rather than ubuntu
[14:32] <utman> thanks ThinkT510
[14:51] <Peanut> Howdy - I'm doing a 20.04 net-install on a machine with lots of NVMe drives (U.2 and M.2). I've used the installer to create a mdadm raid-1 for / and installed the OS without issue. But GRUB fails to install, saying that it can't install on /dev/md0. Usually I should be able to select which device to install on, but I don't get that option, either?
[15:03] <cbreak> md0 is probably not a real device
[15:03] <cbreak> how about you install it in the efi partition of your actual ssds?
[15:03] <Peanut> No, md0 is the mdadm mirror device for the root partition.
[15:04] <Peanut> cbreak: I would, if the installer gave me the option to install it anywhere else than /dev/md0.
[15:33] <Peanut> Found a work-around: Exit into a shell during the installation, and then do a chroot into /target (after mounting /target/dev and /target/sys). From the chroot, one can run update-grub and then grub-install on the two NVME drives that make up the mirror. Seems to mostly have worked, except that grub never gets configured to spawn a tty on the serial port (and these machines have no gfx card). But that's
[15:33] <Peanut> fixable.
[15:53] <shinobi> My system had it's drivers updated from Ubuntu Base. How do I see what was updated?
[16:07] <oerheks> shinobi, , if you cannot find such simple dpkg log, why do you care about drivers?
[16:09] <shinobi> oerheks: because I keep getting disconnected from wifi and wanted to see if that may be fixed.
[16:11] <oerheks> lshw -C network should give some number.. or check dpkg log
[16:11] <oerheks> if you keep disconnecting, it is not fixed most likely
[16:37] <lordcirth> Peanut, did you create the mdraid using 2 partitions, or 2 raw drives?
[16:39] <lordcirth> Are the drives formatted GPT? You are using EFI?
[17:29] <coffeeroaster> Anyone have success with an Intel iwlwifi + bluetooth adaptor( 3168NGW) ? wifi works great but BT is a total mess.
[17:30] <coffeeroaster> I'm on 20.04 but really need BT to work. Open to suggestions
[17:43] <Koopz> i think i just made a major dum dum
[17:44] <Koopz> copied the /etc/fstab from a backup of another system into another one
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> coffeeroaster: if you want volunteers to help you, try to !details up your issue so they can think along with you
[17:45] <Koopz> i'm scared of the UUID=<uuid goes here> / ext4 defaults 0 0 in it
[17:45] <summonner> noatime,defaults  :)
[17:46] <JivanPal> You can find out the UUID of a device using blkid, e.g. `blkid /dev/sda1`
[17:46] <summonner> info on that for the curious: https://tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/chap6sec73.html    yeah, rh, but it's the same core
[17:47] <JivanPal> In `/etc/fstab`, `UUID` refers to the *filesystem* UUID, and `PARTUUID` refers to the *partition* UUID
[17:47] <JivanPal> You can use one or the other
[17:48] <Koopz> of course i didn't check the contents of the file before overwriting it
[17:48] <Koopz> but there's a /dev/sda1 as well with type vfat
[17:48] <leftyfb> Koopz: you'll have to write the fstab manually then. Or restore from the correct backip
[17:48] <leftyfb> backup*
[17:49] <Koopz> can't have a backup when you just started from a fresh installation :D
[17:49] <leftyfb> then just reinstall
[17:49] <leftyfb> it's going to take you longer trial-and-erroring your fstab
[17:50] <JivanPal> "but there's a /dev/sda1 as well with type vfat" — That will be the EFI System Partition
[17:50] <leftyfb> it takes what, 5 minutes to install ubuntu server?
[17:50] <Koopz> i already spent half the day on this installation
[17:50] <Koopz> setting up tons of other things
[17:50] <leftyfb> Koopz: ah, then you want ansible :)
[17:51] <Koopz> yeah seeing /dev/sda1 being mounted on /boot/efi in mount -l
[17:51] <leftyfb> Koopz: I'm about 80% done writing an ansible playbook to rebuild my laptop exactly the way I want it. Going to save me so much time going forward
[17:51] <Koopz> does that go into fstab?
[17:52] <JivanPal> What environment are you in currently? Booted into the new server instance?
[17:52] <Koopz> yes
[17:53] <JivanPal> What's the output of `blkid` on its own?
[17:53] <Koopz> one of our internal server's mainboards flipped the bird over the weekend so i'm having the perfect monday
[17:55] <Koopz> we backed up specific directories instead of the whole system and i got forced to install a fresh ubuntu server on a VM
[17:55] <Koopz> simultanously migrating from 18 to 20.04 LTS
[17:56] <Koopz>  /dev/sda1: UUID="3339-B54E" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="3bcc32ac-e37e-4f7c-94ea-8201e1fb19b1"
[17:57] <JivanPal> That's the only line?
[17:58] <Koopz> nah there's also /dev/sda2 of which i grabbe the uuid and put into the fstab
[17:58] <JivanPal> Okay, so what's the fstab contents now?
[17:59] <Koopz> UUID=624b494a-b4da-46d1-b832-3823aec2226a / ext4 defaults 0 0
[17:59] <Koopz> UUID=624b494a-b4da-46d1-b832-3823aec2226a / ext4 defaults 0 0
[17:59] <Koopz>  /swap.img       none    swap    sw      0       0
[17:59] <Koopz> and a bunch of samba shares
[17:59] <JivanPal> What happened to the /dev/sda1 line?
[17:59] <Koopz> this is the edited fstab from the backup
[18:00] <JivanPal> So you deleted the that line?
[18:00] <Koopz> i did naht
[18:00] <JivanPal> So what is that line?
[18:00] <Koopz> the one mentioning the UUID?
[18:00] <Koopz> that's /dev/sda2
[18:00] <Koopz> there was no line for the boot partition on the old system's fstab
[18:01] <Koopz> i'm wondering wether i have to add it now
[18:01] <JivanPal> Yeah, that's weird that there was no such line
[18:01] <JivanPal> Let me check my Ubuntu install's /etc/fstab, one sec
[18:03] <JivanPal> Can you give the whole blkid output?
[18:04] <Koopz> https://gist.github.com/Koopzington/ddaf8026aad4136812f24a18266bc065
[18:04] <JivanPal> Cheers
[18:08] <Koopz> my dev server apparently doesn't have a separate boot partition
[18:08] <JivanPal> Alright, this should do you:
[18:08] <JivanPal> UUID=624b494a-b4da-46d1-b832-3823aec2226a / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[18:08] <JivanPal> UUID=3339-B54E /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1
[18:09] <JivanPal> Uh.. the last line I wrote seems to have disappeared, it was the swapfile line
[18:09] <Koopz> IRC eating fake commands
[18:09] <JivanPal> It matched what you already have though, so no need to change that
[18:09] <JivanPal> Ahhhhhhh
[18:10] <Koopz> cheers m8, now i don't have to be scared about this thing no longer booting :P
[18:42] <seanbright> will running 'netplan apply' (after modifying just DNS servers) kill any open connections?
[18:53] <lordcirth> seanbright, it shouldn't, but if you are using ssh, use 'netplan try'
[18:53] <lordcirth> That has some chance to revert if you lose connection
[18:54] <seanbright> lordcirth: k
[18:54] <seanbright> lordcirth: worked. thank you.
[18:54] <lordcirth> great
[19:00] <isapgswell> do not first boot your New notebook with macOS/windows
[19:01] <isapgswell> do setup/bios hardening, and boot via liveusb and install any distro
[19:02] <isapgswell> in some cases this procedure disable intem MEI
[19:02] <isapgswell> *intel MEI
[19:02] <JivanPal> Source?
[19:03] <JivanPal> Or explanation?
[19:03] <isapgswell> JivanPAl i brought a G7 and a did that
[19:03] <isapgswell> JivanPal disable all intel and dell vendor specific
[19:04] <isapgswell> JivanPal if it was used to server
[19:04] <isapgswell> JivanPal but when i update the bios the process reverted
[19:04] <isapgswell> updated
[19:06] <JivanPal> How do you know the IME was ever disabled?
[19:07] <isapgswell> JivanPal because ubuntu fresh install, lsmod |grep mei didnt get mei mei_me module
[19:07] <isapgswell> JivapPAl like purism notebooks
[19:07] <JivanPal> Did you try `insmod mei_me`?
[19:08] <isapgswell> JivanPal no
[19:08] <isapgswell> JivanPal i beliee linux lkm would make it
[19:09] <isapgswell> JivanPal if you do what i said, do not update bios or the procedure is useless
[19:10] <isapgswell> JivanPal Another procedure i make it was to zeroes my m2 ssd
[19:10] <isapgswell> JivapPal 256gb
[19:11] <JivanPal> It may just be that udev was unable to detect the IME for whatever reason and did not autoload the modules
[19:11] <JivanPal> Or systemd
[19:11] <isapgswell> JIvanPal i had a purism notebook
[19:11] <isapgswell> JivanPal no error log man
[19:12] <JivanPal> What you've observed does not demonstrate that the IME was disabled, only that Ubuntu couldn't detect it; the IME could still have been operating, unknown to the OS
[19:12] <isapgswell> JivanPal yes, but i do not make anything to do so
[19:13] <JivanPal> The only way to check that I can think of would be to reproduce the conditions under which `mei` and `me_mei` are not autoloaded (that is, the "no OEM, only Ubuntu" install you described), and then `insmod mei me_mei` and see if you can interact with the IME
[19:13] <JivanPal> If you can, then your hunch is wrong; if you can't, further investigation is required
[19:13] <oerheks> only intel SRT is mentioned, to disable https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[19:13] <isapgswell> JivanPal coreboot has a program to try to interact to intel mei
[19:14] <isapgswell> JivanPal and report itś status
[19:14]  * oerheks would not mess around with CoreBoot
[19:15] <JivanPal> Have you tried Coreboot on the machine in question?
[19:15] <JivanPal> In order to see whether it can talk to the IME?
[19:16] <isapgswell> JivanPal no
[19:16] <isapgswell> JivanPal i read about coreboot after
[19:16] <JivanPal> This is the sort of further investigation one would need to do
[19:16] <JivanPal> This sort of research could make a good undergrad computer science thesis
[19:16] <isapgswell> JivanPal some samsung notebooks has notebook and memory upgrades
[19:17] <isapgswell> JivanPal my advice is to remove ssd/hd factory
[19:17] <JivanPal> Usenix and IEEE would be interested in this sort of thing
[19:18] <isapgswell> JivanPal purism notebooks is expensive a lot
[19:19] <isapgswell> JivanPal and almost nobody is like richard stallman that uses lemote
[19:20] <JivanPal> I very much expect that it's just a matter of Ubuntu not autoloading the kernel modules
[19:20] <JivanPal> There's no logical reason I can think of as to why not installing Windows or macOS on an OEM machine first would result in the IME being disabled
[19:22] <isapgswell> JivanPal folow the procedure i mention and maybe its right
[19:22] <isapgswell> JivanPal if right do not update bios
[19:23] <JivanPal> "Maybe" being the operative word
[19:23] <isapgswell> JivanPal to me mei was missing
[19:23] <JivanPal> If you can demonstrate that it's "really" instead of "maybe", publish a report, myself and many others will be very interested!
[19:23] <JivanPal> All you saw is that the `mei` module was not loaded automatically
[19:23] <isapgswell> JivanPal yes
[19:24] <isapgswell> JivanPal i do not tryed insmod
[19:24] <JivanPal> That doesn't mean the actual Intel Management Engine wasn't working
[19:24] <isapgswell> JivanPal yes unil someone try
[19:25] <JivanPal> Why don't you try? :-)
[19:25] <isapgswell> JivanPal money
[19:25] <JivanPal> Downgrade the firmware and do what you did before, but try `insmod` this time
[19:25] <isapgswell> JivanPal i did with a new notebook
[19:25] <isapgswell> JivanPal dell blocked downgrade
[19:26] <JivanPal> Anyway, you're almost certainly wrong about it disabling the IME, it makes no sense on the surface
[19:26] <JivanPal> Especially since it then decided to "wake up" after a firmware upgrade
[19:27] <isapgswell> JivanPal fastboot minimal or disabled preference
[19:28] <isapgswell> JivanPal unhappy i dont knew coreboot and do not tested insmod
[19:28] <isapgswell> JivapPal anyone that wanna try
[19:29] <isapgswell> JivapPal my G7 autoload minix
[19:29] <isapgswell> JipanPal with updated bios
[19:30] <isapgswell> JivanPal the secret in my opinio is secureboot and nvram
[19:30] <leftyfb> isapgswell: ok, let us know if you have any other support questions with ubuntu
[19:30] <isapgswell> JivanPal tree points: secureboot nvram and fastboot
[19:32] <isapgswell> leftyfb why ubuntu certified hardware do not mention Gold Silver like h-node
[19:32] <isapgswell> leftyfb or a ranking
[19:33] <leftyfb> isapgswell: maybe contact Canonical for their certification project.
[19:33] <isapgswell> leftyfb ok
[19:45] <cjdesno> anyone tried setting up the raspi4 uart for communicating with a hat on ubuntu 20.04? thought i had everything configured properly, but not seeing any traffic on the port
[19:47] <leftyfb> cjdesno: you might ask in #raspberrypi   even though you're running Ubuntu, the tools will be the same as raspiOS, but the hardware is specific to pi
[19:49] <cjdesno> yeah, might as well
[20:31] <oerheks> !hwe
[21:31] <ixdap> So, I have one of these new fangled keyboards with more modifiers than you can shake a stick at. I count 5 on one side and 3 on the other, although I like both shifts to be the same. What do I type for cut'n'paste?
[21:32] <ixdap> you know, on windows its ctrl-c, ctrl-v
[21:32] <ixdap> on a mac its cmd-c, cmd-v
[21:32] <ixdap> I am thinking, like on the mac, I'd rather not lose ctrl-c
[21:32] <sarnold> shift+insert does the same paste as the middle-click mouse
[21:33] <sarnold> ^C and ^V require toolkit support
[21:33] <ixdap> er, laptop with trackpad.
[21:33] <ixdap> besides pointing device is not keyboard.
[21:35] <ixdap> I seem to remember having to set this up for myself in 1992, but there's been progress since then, yes?
[21:36] <ixdap> Is there something good on tv?
[21:38] <leftyfb> ixdap: ctrl+c works just fine in ubuntu in all applications except terminal. In terminal it's CTRL+shift+c
[21:39] <ixdap> Is there some cute gui option (like a radio button) where I can just say "cut'n'paste like a mac"?
[21:40] <leftyfb> ixdap: no
[21:41] <ixdap> Microsoft using ctrl-c for copy was an act of vandalism.
[21:41] <leftyfb> ixdap: let us know if you have any further ubuntu support questions
[21:42] <ixdap> How dificult would it be to change ctrl-c to meta-c for all my applications?
[21:43] <ixdap> or anything I might install (before I install it)
[21:43] <leftyfb> ixdap: https://askubuntu.com/a/1124521/1151311
[21:46] <ixdap> This is what I actually like about linux systems. Nothing I learned ~30 years ago is obsolete.
[22:02] <ixdap> Where does /proc/bus/usb/devices come from these days (focal 20.04)
[22:04] <oerheks> Same as 18.04?
[22:05] <ixdap> I don't have one. mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb returns an error (mount point does not exist). I cannot create the folder.
[22:06] <ixdap> was it still a thing in 2012?
[22:12] <ixdap> ok. so deprecated in 3.5 in 2012, but it would likely have been in released distros of the time. wow. debian lenny. That long ago ...
[22:14] <ixdap> thanks
[22:53] <cluelessperson> I can't pair with my airpods over bluetooth
[22:59] <Intelo> Is it possible to have 2 mouse with two coursors and two keyboards typing on those two cursors at the same time in the same GUI screen?
[23:00] <sarnold> Intelo: I suspect that may not exist
[23:01] <Intelo> sarnold: hm.
[23:02] <oerheks> one can dual seat, but with 2 screens, on 1 machine.
[23:02] <genii> There's another thing called multi-seat but probably not what you're looking for
[23:02]  * genii slides oerheks the cookie bag
[23:03]  * oerheks fills it to the brim and shuffles it back
[23:08] <leftyfb> Intelo: why do you think you need such a thing?
[23:09] <Intelo> leftyfb: two people sitting side by side spliting a wide screen
[23:09] <Intelo> oerheks: genii I see
[23:09] <Intelo> I know those
[23:09] <leftyfb> Intelo: 2 computers? Maybe a VM on the machine tied to the 2nd set of peripherals?
[23:09] <Intelo> leftyfb: I have that too but wanted native/ non-vm
[23:10] <leftyfb> Intelo: what's the benefit over 2 machines and/or a VM?
[23:11] <sarnold> Intelo: hmm, some *big* monitors actually have two inputs and you wind up running two cables to the system to plug them in.. usually folks run something like xinerama to treat the two screens as one, but you could probably do the dualseat thing and give one person the left half, the other person the right half.. it'd be like those split-brain folks
[23:11] <Intelo> leftyfb: performance, low system load
[23:11] <leftyfb> Intelo: you know you get better performance with people on their own machines right?
[23:12] <Intelo> leftyfb: that increases cost
[23:12] <Intelo> I was curious to have best of both worlds
[23:12] <leftyfb> Intelo: could this be done over ssh?
[23:12] <Intelo> sarnold: hm
[23:13] <sarnold> is a second monitor really so expensive?
[23:13] <Intelo> sarnold:  for scale. yes
[23:13] <leftyfb> Intelo: if so, you could setup a raspberry pi that the 2nd keyboard is plugged into, it's ssh'd to the 1st machine using tmate running on the 1st in a separate window on half the monitor screen
[23:14] <Intelo> leftyfb: the tmux runs fine. I was talking about gui
[23:14] <leftyfb> Intelo: what sort of work would these 2 people be doing in GUI?
[23:14] <Intelo> leftyfb: and by the way, in my case, only one computer is involved
[23:14] <Intelo> leftyfb: two people sitting side by side spliting a wide screen
[23:15] <Intelo> coding/anything
[23:15] <Intelo> pair programe
[23:15] <Intelo> ..
[23:15] <leftyfb> Intelo: that doesn't answer the question at all. If they're "coding", why can't they do this over ssh?
[23:15] <Intelo> leftyfb: intellij idea over ssh?
[23:16] <Intelo> leftyfb: and by the way, in my case, only one computer is involved  < did you get this part. ssh is for 'another' machine
[23:16] <leftyfb> Intelo: I'm referring to a $10 raspberry pi as the 2nd computer
[23:17] <leftyfb> Intelo: which intellij can run on
[23:17] <Intelo> leftyfb: in your suggestion, this $10 RP can just ssh? Not acces gui or other machine?
[23:19] <leftyfb> Intelo: it could do either. It can run it's own Ubuntu GUI(though you might want the $45 one at that point) and/or ssh to the main machine. If the former, you can run applications from the 1st machine over ssh forwarding to the pi. All the processing of said application gets done on the 1st machine
[23:19] <Intelo> leftyfb: also what is this $10 pi? does it has a hdmi port? a wifi/ether port?
[23:19] <leftyfb> Intelo: seriously, you are unaware of raspberry pi's?
[23:19] <Intelo> is this x11 forwarding over ssh?
[23:19] <Intelo> leftyfb: never bought one
[23:19] <leftyfb> yes
[23:20] <sarnold> rpis are pretty decent little machines for cheap
[23:20] <Intelo> in x11 forwarding, the gui is run at client (needs processing)
[23:20] <leftyfb> the $10 pi is the raspberry pi zero w which would be fine to just do ssh. But if you want a full GUI with run intellij or X forwarding, I'd suggest the Pi 4 which can be had for $35
[23:20] <Intelo> sarnold: ok.
[23:21] <Intelo> that zero and 4 will have ether/hdmi?
[23:21] <leftyfb> Intelo: in X forwarding, the client window is drawn on the ssh client, but the processing all gets done on the machine the application originated from
[23:21] <leftyfb> Intelo: they both have HDMI, yes
[23:21] <sarnold> if you've got a bit of extra money, I've heard good things about https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2plus/
[23:21] <leftyfb> Intelo: the Pi4 has ethernet, both have wireless
[23:22] <Intelo> hm.
[23:23] <oerheks>  ULTIMATE Edition of IntelliJ IDEA https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/enabling-web-application-support.html#Enabling_Web_Application_Support-28-include-0-chunk-30-chapter
[23:23] <oerheks> :-P
[23:29] <Intelo> leftyfb: sarnold this  is $100 . Is it ok ? https://urun.n11.com/arduino-urunleri-ve-setleri/raspberry-pi-4-8gb-yeni-versiyon-P469955727
[23:31] <leftyfb> Intelo: if you need the 8GB version, sure. The 1G version is $35
[23:31] <sarnold> Intelo: you'll never confuse it for a high-end system, but yeah, they're pretty good little machines. I've got an rpi3b+ that I used with a gui for a few hours for fun before deploying it into its job
[23:32] <Intelo> this is $400 in 2Gig https://urun.n11.com/arduino-urunleri-ve-setleri/raspberry-pi-4-2-gb-model-b-P433595270
[23:32] <Intelo> model b
[23:32] <leftyfb> that is an option
[23:32] <Intelo> sarnold: so can I run intellij on RP4?
[23:33] <sarnold> Intelo: no idea, do they have aarch64 aka arm64 builds available?
[23:33] <Intelo> leftyfb: I feel like its a bit costly at my side but anyway. I hope it has internal memory
[23:33] <leftyfb> Intelo: https://geektechstuff.com/2019/06/08/installing-intellij-ide-on-raspberry-pi-java-raspberry-pi/
[23:33] <Intelo> sarnold: neever did this before
[23:33] <Intelo> leftyfb: it will lag. right?
[23:33] <Intelo> leftyfb: sarnold what max can I do with a rp4 / latest?
[23:34] <leftyfb> Intelo: it has it's own memory, as for storage, throw down $20 for a micro ss card for it
[23:35] <leftyfb> Intelo: at this point, you might be better off asking more about the pi in #raspberry pi. I'm just offering this as a solution. Either for the workstation or X forwarding or just ssh. Or maybe VNC
[23:35] <Intelo> ok
[23:35] <Intelo> thanks
[23:35] <sarnold> Intelo: I *think* the memory on the rpis is soldered on, so whatever you buy it with is all its ever going to have
[23:35] <pizzaiolo> fwiw i treat rpis as a single use type of deal, keep it very limited
[23:35] <Intelo> sarnold: oh ok
[23:36] <Intelo> sarnold: leftyfb why not get a low end android phone and chrome cast instead of PI. I just need shell/ssh. An app in android would do it too
[23:37] <Intelo> but the mobile phone will have much other functions
[23:37] <Intelo> just thinking..
[23:37] <sarnold> I've never done a keyboard on a phone before
[23:37] <leftyfb> Intelo: sure, it's your setup. Though you won't be running Ubuntu on it. Also, the pi is much cheaper
[23:37] <Intelo> bluetooth keyboards..
[23:37] <sarnold> they sell them, so they must work :) but I think I heard termux is a dead end on android..
[23:38] <sarnold> https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux_Google_Play
[23:38] <Intelo> leftyfb: as per specs I gues.
[23:38] <leftyfb> Intelo: I thought you needed to run intellij?
[23:38] <Intelo> hm
[23:38] <Intelo> leftyfb: was a wish that cant be true I think
[23:38] <Intelo> intellij don't even run good on low end laptops...
[23:38] <leftyfb> Intelo: either way, we are well beyond the scope of this channel
[23:38] <Intelo> leftyfb: ya. thanks again