[10:30] <rgh> I don't have jack in my startup programs
[10:30] <rgh> I run xfce however, maybe things are different on kde
[11:33] <mutanthifi> hello chaps, been given an old (late 2008) 17" macbook pro (4,1). Downloaded and created the bootable, but using it live I get the desktop but nothing does anything, including the installer icon. I know I can choose to install from the text menu early on, but I'm loathe to install something that doesn't work in the live 'test' environment
[11:55] <sethu[m]1> You may not have an other option. Shoehorn it in any way you can just to test whether it work installed
[12:07] <MauroGaspari[m]> <mutanthifi "hello chaps, been given an old ("> If it is a graphics driver issue, you can try and start the live image with nomodeset option. See if that helps in any way
[15:38] <wonko> OvenWerks: So I'm not sure what I proved with the mac
[15:38] <wonko> probably that the AF4 is ok probably?
[15:38] <wonko> maybe?
[15:38] <wonko> :-D
[15:38] <wonko> I should really try to get jack being used though
[15:39] <wonko> but I'm lost without the pulse bridge
[17:11] <OvenWerks> wonko: with the latest studio-controls does it not work for you?
[17:31] <wonko> i'm trying to test it on the mac. I don't think studio-controls works on osx. :)
[17:35] <OvenWerks> wonko: it might with the right libs
[17:36] <wonko> well, it's not getting jack started that's the issue
[17:36] <wonko> it's finding something to run with jack
[17:37] <wonko> most everything is either complete garbage on osx or is skipping jack and just using CoreAudio anyway
[18:53] <OvenWerks> we _know_ what you should do.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> With my IRC op hat on, I have to say that talk of getting Jack started on macOS is entirely offtopic here.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> ;)
[19:40] <wonko> Eickmeyer: so please come make the AF4 work on linux then please. :-D
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> wonko: That's beyond the scope of Ubuntu Studio.
[19:40] <wonko> Booo!
[19:40] <wonko> You're fired!
[19:41] <wonko> but, you do make a valid point
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> O_o
[19:41] <wonko> this may be better taken up with the jack and/or ffado people
[19:43] <wonko> I was just trying to validate the hardware first
[19:43] <OvenWerks> wonko: ALSA devs
[19:43] <wonko> and also not asking for help as much as just complaining. :-D
[19:43] <wonko> OvenWerks: Do I care if it works with ALSA?
[19:43] <wonko> I'm pretty sure I don't?
[19:44] <OvenWerks> wonko: if it works properly, yes
[19:44] <wonko> I guess seeing if anyone has successfully used an AF4 with ALSA isn't a terrible idea.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> wonko: try 20.04 first
[19:48] <wonko> I'm on 20.04
[20:00] <OvenWerks> what works/doesn't?
[20:02] <wonko> 32/2 and 32/3 flat out crash jack immediately. 64/2 and 64/3 work, but will crash evemtually. both cases with an "unhandled xrun"
[20:47] <OvenWerks> wonko: that may be the device/computer HW combination