| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:50 |
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| Ussat | I rip out snaps all together on my server installs | 03:06 |
| lotuspsychje | the users choice Ussat | 03:07 |
| Ussat | Honestly, I wish snaps were not included at all in server uilds | 03:07 |
| Ussat | Just an extra hassle | 03:07 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, i also share same opinion, leave the user the choice to go snappy at all | 03:08 |
| lotuspsychje | but i think its a world in motion, when devs start to integrate things by default snap | 03:08 |
| lotuspsychje | i also like the way oerheks says; just like the ppa's, you have to trust the snap maintainer(s) | 03:09 |
| Ussat | 'My problem with snaps, is the implimentation, they can push an update whenever......I controll when my servers get updated, not some random dev | 03:10 |
| Ussat | With a PPA, its different, they dont self upodate whenever | 03:10 |
| Ussat | What is to stop some dev from fscking up bad and opushing the snap and having it update without me knowing ? | 03:11 |
| lotuspsychje | its true | 03:11 |
| Ussat | snaps do not belong in an enterprise OS | 03:11 |
| Ussat | period. | 03:11 |
| lotuspsychje | Ussat: when you leave a journalctl -f open these days, ubuntu has a secret internal life these days | 03:11 |
| lotuspsychje | imagine if you got 50 snaps installed, what happens under the hood | 03:12 |
| Ussat | Whats to stop a dev from pushing out a back door, repos get hacked | 03:12 |
| Ussat | and yes, same can be said about a PPA, but at least I KNOW when a ppa is updated | 03:12 |
| lotuspsychje | lets say the devs machine gets compromized, you get access to thousands users boxes for your malware update | 03:13 |
| lotuspsychje | auto anything is a bad idea, and specialy for servers | 03:14 |
| lotuspsychje | the admin needs its control | 03:14 |
| Ussat | exactly | 03:14 |
| Ussat | Now, that said, I validate everything in my test env, but still | 03:15 |
| Ussat | if snaps did not auto update..problem solved | 03:15 |
| lotuspsychje | well you can mess around with their timers yourself but.. | 03:16 |
| sarnold | not enough, though | 03:16 |
| sarnold | I can't tell you how many bloody times I've come in to work on a monday morning and found mattermost entirely useless because snap updated it over the weekend | 03:16 |
| lotuspsychje | yikes | 03:16 |
| Ussat | ^^ | 03:16 |
| sarnold | and that's just a stupid chat application | 03:17 |
| Ussat | Now, snaps on a desktop....eh, I generally dont care | 03:17 |
| sarnold | if it's a database server? noooooope. | 03:17 |
| sarnold | it's *really* frustrating, because there's a bunch of good ideas there | 03:17 |
| Ussat | but I cant believe the devs thought this was a good idea | 03:17 |
| sarnold | but the handful of *boggle* problems are seriously hindering it | 03:17 |
| Ussat | There are some really good ideas, implimentation was crap | 03:17 |
| lotuspsychje | snap can be cool, if you admin choose for your own to have a single box with a few snaps that arent on the apt repos | 03:17 |
| Ussat | We have looked into that | 03:19 |
| lotuspsychje | we got a server admin as volunteers that didnt like the default chromium browser going snappy neither | 03:21 |
| marcoagpinto | The demon! | 05:54 |
| ducasse | good morning | 07:20 |
| marcoagpinto | hey hey | 07:43 |
| marcoagpinto | "a coder's work is never resumed" | 07:43 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 07:43 |
| sandrolinux | Hello | 10:51 |
| guiverc | G'day sandrolinux | 10:51 |
| guiverc | What have you discovered in IRC? or still trying to work it all out? | 10:52 |
| sandrolinux | Yeah I am still trying to work out how to use weechat | 10:52 |
| guiverc | I've never used it, have thought about trying it (and irssi) but never get to it.. | 10:55 |
| sandrolinux | it is pretty good but a bit confusing | 11:06 |
| sandrolinux | What is the irc you are using? | 11:12 |
| guiverc | hexchat... was default when I started using it.. just haven't changed | 11:15 |
| guiverc | quassel is now default for my chosen desktop | 11:16 |
| sandrolinux | Ok cool weechat is pretty lightweight and it is terminal based which is great for ppl like me who love the terminal | 11:18 |
| sandrolinux | What is your favourite ubuntu flavour? | 11:19 |
| guiverc | I'm using Lubuntu/LXQt (so a terminal client makes more sense for me I think too) | 11:20 |
| lotuspsychje | mine are -dekstop & -lubuntu | 11:22 |
| sandrolinux | Mine might be mate | 11:23 |
| sandrolinux | I like all of them really | 11:23 |
| guiverc | sandrolinux, I also have Xubuntu installed on his box, plus ubuntu-desktop installed (ie. multiple desktops installed; I had mate till a few months back, needed disk space) | 11:23 |
| sandrolinux | ok | 11:24 |
| sandrolinux | Always been interested by Ubuntu Kylin but have not tried it yet | 11:24 |
| guiverc | I've done some QA-test installs to explore it (Kylin), but the non-english was a barrier to really appreciated it for me. | 11:25 |
| lotuspsychje | your chinese isnt fluid guiverc :p:p | 11:25 |
| guiverc | not even close ! | 11:26 |
| sandrolinux | My chinese is terrible but I am trying to learn Mandrin so it should hopefully improve | 11:28 |
| sandrolinux | The chinese goverment don't trust microsoft that is probably why they made stock Kylin | 11:29 |
| guiverc | :) Kylin looked great... (bright & cheery as I recall, but it was a xenial spin I think I last tried.. 16.04.5 maybe so late 2018 & awhile ago now) | 11:29 |
| sandrolinux | Why would you trust a US company if you were the Chinese goverment? Microsoft are a part of the prism project | 11:30 |
| guiverc | Yeah I'd agree.. Canonical funded Kylin (flavor) for 5 years for 16.04/xenial instead of usual 3, so they threw some $s at it (first LTS) | 11:31 |
| * guiverc is heading towards bed.. night folks | 11:33 | |
| lotuspsychje | nite mate | 11:35 |
| lotuspsychje | one chinese, two chinese, three...ZZZZzzzzZZZ | 11:35 |
| sandrolinux | Never tried Budgie before got to try it soon | 11:42 |
| sandrolinux | Anyone had experience with Ubuntu Budgie? | 11:45 |
| sandrolinux | Hello Sven_vB_! | 12:25 |
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| Sven_vB | hello sandrolinux | 14:11 |
| sandrolinux | what is your favourite ubuntu flavour? | 14:15 |
| lotuspsychje | -troll alert- | 14:15 |
| * Ussat plays star trek klaxon warning | 14:16 | |
| Ussat | o/ lotuspsychje | 14:16 |
| lotuspsychje | hey Ussat ; ) | 14:17 |
| sandrolinux | What do you think of snaps? | 14:17 |
| Ussat | I think ignore is a wonderfull feature | 14:18 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont believe in ignores actually, stick head in sand method, while they still there | 14:20 |
| Ussat | fair | 14:20 |
| lotuspsychje | Ussat: bug #1799165 | 14:25 |
| ubot5 | bug 1789943 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1799165 Ubuntu Software only shows snap app's without any explanations or advices" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1789943 | 14:25 |
| lotuspsychje | was a wishlist once i filed :p | 14:26 |
| Sven_vB | sandrolinux, Xfce, without snapd. | 15:13 |
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